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Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
10-05-2011, 03:42 AM,
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Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
This is priceless.
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http://www.observer.com/2011/10/exclusive-occupy-wall-street-activist-slams-fox-news-anchor-in-un-aired-interview-video/
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10-05-2011, 07:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2011, 07:24 AM by Hans Olo.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
That guy is an idiot, here's why

- He doesn't name the Obama administration as doing something wrong
- He thinks it's rich vs poor while in fact it's big government vs the private sector
- He also suggest it's left vs. 'the far right'
- He wants to grow the government
- He wants the government to tax one group of people and hand it out to another
- He wants to do 'Jesus' stuff
- He keeps calling America a Democracy, when in fact it's a Republic. It doesn't matter if 99% of the people want to rob 1%
- He thinks it doesn't matter if the president shows his birth certificate (shill anyone?)

- well, he's right on Solyndra. What a disaster that was. But he calls it 'nonsense'. It's special favors handed out by big government, which he wants to grow even more
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10-05-2011, 10:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2011, 11:04 AM by thokling.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-05-2011, 07:16 AM)Hans Olo Wrote: That guy is an idiot, here's why

- He doesn't name the Obama administration as doing something wrong
- He thinks it's rich vs poor while in fact it's big government vs the private sector
- He also suggest it's left vs. 'the far right'
- He wants to grow the government
- He wants the government to tax one group of people and hand it out to another
- He wants to do 'Jesus' stuff
- He keeps calling America a Democracy, when in fact it's a Republic. It doesn't matter if 99% of the people want to rob 1%
- He thinks it doesn't matter if the president shows his birth certificate (shill anyone?)

- well, he's right on Solyndra. What a disaster that was. But he calls it 'nonsense'. It's special favors handed out by big government, which he wants to grow even more

He's not fighting for your rights, though. He's fighting for something he believes in. That's what's so amazing about this video. It's showcasing a growing trend for people to fight back and reclaim what they believe they're entitled to.

Did you miss what was so amazing about this? I'll repeat it and bold it this time.

It's showcasing a growing trend for people to fight back and reclaim what they think they're entitled to.

For those who haven't been paying attention, the big theme we've been witnessing for the past decades, or hundreds to thousands of years if you're into that perspective, is that people have been encouraged to believe that they're too small to stand up to The Big Boys. A separation of people from one another has been created by mass media and entertainment (one and the same if you've been watching closely enough).

Also take into account that, as a comment in this YouTube video noted, the video is marked as unlisted and it has, at the time of this writing, just over half a million views after around three days. There's clear interest in taking back the people's country, and chances are good it won't stop.

However, those who don't bother to take action, and who would rather sit back in their chairs chuggin' their beers and what-not, waiting for someone else to solve their problems for them, have as much right to their rights as a sports fan does to the fame and glory of their role models.

Ever notice how a sports player makes a mistake, and fans start booing and spouting how what the player was supposed to do? And the fans don't bother playing the sport themselves in the same league as those players, and therefore lack both the perspective and the experience to really have the right to expect their opinions to make any difference?

Those who continue to allow themselves to be victimised into not taking action for what they believe in will have very little effect on the course of progress. It's those people who will continue to be used and abused by others, and there will always be others who will be only too happy to use and abuse them. Always.

Perhaps you should find a way to send him a message to tell him what an idiot he is. That way, you not only don't have to put any actual effort into changing the state of things, but you can sit back and relax, assured that you've done a fine job of not having a great effect on society. Meanwhile, he and people like him will continue their fights to ensure that life serves their own needs, and you'll end up living under a system designed to meet the needs of others instead of your own.

Kudos to anyone who puts effort into changing things to suit their needs.
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10-05-2011, 03:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2011, 03:04 PM by Armilus.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
That's true, and they should be careful to avoid any potential manipulation, especially when in comes to the redistribution of wealth.

9,620 likes, 119 dislikes -- people agree with him

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10-05-2011, 05:21 PM,
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-05-2011, 03:03 PM)Armilus Wrote: That's true, and they should be careful to avoid any potential manipulation, especially when in comes to the redistribution of wealth.

9,620 likes, 119 dislikes -- people agree with him

While I totally agree with thokling, the "Likes" of a video are irrespective, even more so when it's an unlisted video and so only those with a link can find it.

Of course, that doesn't mean the video isn't good, but just that "Likes" are irrespective. Ok
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10-05-2011, 07:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2011, 07:43 PM by Armilus.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
It shows the public opinion, 9620:119 is akin to getting 98.78% of the vote. Can't beat that, even if what they believe is wrong, it doesn't matter. This is why only propaganda can work against propaganda, complex online posts for example mean nothing. Message must be short and appealing to the masses. If you really have to complicate it, then make sure last sentence or two is something short and familiar, and notice how much better public will react to it. GOP debates are nice example of this.
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10-05-2011, 11:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2011, 11:14 PM by Hans Olo.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-05-2011, 10:51 AM)thokling Wrote: He's not fighting for your rights, though. He's fighting for something he believes in. That's what's so amazing about this video.

What exactly does he want? To grow the government?

Quote:It's showcasing a growing trend for people to fight back and reclaim what they think they're entitled to.

Exactly, what they think they are entitled to, not what they are actually entitled to. That's why it's so important what exactly it is they want and how they are going about it. Does the end justify the means?

Quote:However, those who don't bother to take action, ... have as much right to their rights as a sports fan does to the fame and glory of their role models.

Everyone has a 'right to their rights', that's why they are rights and not privileges. Are you saying a peaceful individual who minds their own business loses their rights for not running around in the streets, condemning supposed Capitalism?

Quote:Perhaps you should find a way to send him a message to tell him what an idiot he is.


This isn't about me.

Quote:Kudos to anyone who puts effort into changing things to suit their needs.

Seriously? Think about what you're saying. You give Kudos to anyone who does anything that they think suits their needs? What is your problem with corrupt politicians then? They are putting lots of effort into what suits them. How about the Mafia? These people work hard and change society to suit themselves! How about lobbyists? How about Nazi Fascists? They are idiots, of course, but, hey, at least they make an effort to do what they think is right! Is that what you're saying? Do you support angry lynchmobs over peaceful individuals who mind their own business?

You have completely ignored the most essential question: What do these protesters want, what is it they're saying, and do you think what they're saying and doing is right and just?

That's when I decide if I support someone.
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10-06-2011, 03:44 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-06-2011, 03:46 AM by BaBaYaGa.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-05-2011, 10:51 AM)thokling Wrote: He's not fighting for your rights, though. He's fighting for something he believes in.

He only believes in it because his own personalized media nudged him into thinking that these ideas are his own.

The propaganda he's under is more sophisticated and pseudo-intellectual than Fox News. Woo-hoo.

He's still a useful idiot of the two-headed monster. You can tell very easily if someone is still a useful idiot: If they still act as if the real battle is right vs. left, "rich" vs. poor (with no mention of elite globalists)...that means they STILL don't get it.

Politically active people still trapped in the false left/right paradigm are WORSE than those who aren't active at all. Because they have basically turned themselves over to be pseud-intellectual robot soldiers of whatever co-opted cause is trendy this time around.

I liked these dumbass lefty protestors better five years ago, when they could still be bothered to care about people dying in wars...
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10-06-2011, 05:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-06-2011, 12:06 PM by thokling.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-05-2011, 11:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:
Quote:He's not fighting for your rights, though. He's fighting for something he believes in. That's what's so amazing about this video.

What exactly does he want? To grow the government?

It doesn't matter what he wants, at least not to anyone but him. That's the point: it's up to each of us individually to decide what we want, and then act to change things. When it turns out that many people want the same thing and commit themselves to the action necessary to get it, you then have a force with which to be reckoned.

(10-05-2011, 11:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:
Quote:It's showcasing a growing trend for people to fight back and reclaim what they think they're entitled to.

Exactly, what they think they are entitled to, not what they are actually entitled to. That's why it's so important what exactly it is they want and how they are going about it. Does the end justify the means?

And because it's what they "think" they're entitled to, it's what they are entitled to because it's what they want. For them, the ends always justifies the means.

If someone has a problem with the way another person goes about getting what they want, then it's up to that someone to either step up to the plate and act or sit back and allow it to happen. What other practical options are there?

(10-05-2011, 11:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:
Quote:However, those who don't bother to take action, ... have as much right to their rights as a sports fan does to the fame and glory of their role models.

Everyone has a 'right to their rights', that's why they are rights and not privileges. Are you saying a peaceful individual who minds their own business loses their rights for not running around in the streets, condemning supposed Capitalism?

Nope. I'm saying that a peaceful individual who minds their own business has no need to change things, and that's their right.

(10-05-2011, 11:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:
Quote:Perhaps you should find a way to send him a message to tell him what an idiot he is.

This isn't about me.

I know, and that's the point. If you don't believe that you have the right to change the system to meet your needs, then you won't act to change the system to meet your needs. You have the right to react against those who do act to change things in such a way that the system doesn't meet your needs, too, but expecting such an action to change the system to meet your needs is futile if you intend to approach life on any practical basis.

On the other hand, if you believed that it was the responsibility of reality to change to suit your needs, and acted accordingly, you would witness your reality changing to suit your needs.

(10-05-2011, 11:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:
Quote:Kudos to anyone who puts effort into changing things to suit their needs.

Seriously? Think about what you're saying. You give Kudos to anyone who does anything that they think suits their needs? What is your problem with corrupt politicians then? They are putting lots of effort into what suits them. How about the Mafia? These people work hard and change society to suit themselves! How about lobbyists? How about Nazi Fascists? They are idiots, of course, but, hey, at least they make an effort to do what they think is right! Is that what you're saying? Do you support angry lynchmobs over peaceful individuals who mind their own business?

Already did think about it, and I don't have a problem with corrupt politicians. They're doing exactly what they want to satisfy their desires. Same with criminal organisations, and lobbyists, and racists, and fascists, and activists, and shopkeepers, and parents, and children, and everyone else. Even the victims are doing exactly what they want to encourage their own victimisations. It's simply incredible that reality was designed to allow all of these seemingly contradictory desires to exist simultaneously.

(10-05-2011, 11:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote: You have completely ignored the most essential question: What do these protesters want, what is it they're saying, and do you think what they're saying and doing is right and just?

That's when I decide if I support someone.

People are going to act whether or not you support them. Just like the opinions they hold which you disagree with mean nothing to you, your opinions which they disagree with mean nothing to them.

However, to answer your questions:

- Protesters want to change the system to conform to their desires.
- Everything everyone says and does is right and just. There are no exceptions.

Why would the universe allow what we refer to as "injustices" to exist? Because they're justices to what people want. If someone is constantly afraid of being mugged, raped or killed, guess what? They're going to be mugged, raped or killed. If someone has no such fear, and feels only love and compassion towards people, and knows that there's no chance of them dying from anything other than a ripe, old age, then there are no paths through which harm would come to them.

Let's put this another way. Take a person who is born and grows up in a certain situation. The person could be born in a wealthy family, or in abject poverty, or in an oppressive system, or in any other situation. While they're growing up, they get used to that environment, and expect reality to be that way, so that's what reality serves them.

Then, when the person, for whatever reason, decides that they want something else, and think of nothing else but that, reality changes to suit that desire.

If someone who is used to poverty wins a lottery, the money only lasts long enough to satisfy their temporary desire to experience wealth. Unless the basic philosophy behind their existence changes to allow wealth to flow, their experiences of wealth will be highly impermanent.

If someone who has experienced spiritual crises during most of their life decides, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE," and wants it more than anything else, and focuses away from what caused the crises in the first place, things will change to suit their spiritual needs.

People who've experienced severe pain as a result of inoperable, terminal cancer, and who change their perception away from the illness and only toward good, health, and abundance recover from what was thought to be a terminal situation.

We as individuals, in many cases, have far more control over reality than what culture has taught us. (In the remaining cases, people already realise this.)

And we return to my original point that reality changes to suit how we want it to change. There are zero exceptions to this rule.
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10-06-2011, 09:48 AM,
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
I'm convinced the individual is truly speaking his mind based on what he's informed to fit his value system. We need more of that.



Interesting take with the sports analogy tholking. In addition to being a distraction and turning participants into observers in a way that can be paralleled by the clickactivist movement. Sports have been often used as a channel for alpha male detracting from time and energy that may have been invested into the arena of real world consequence to ra ra armchair manager stadium.



Consider the audience. Hans Olo is generally correct in his observations. Along with it being packaged in a pallatable less than three minute clip with the tagline "Unaired Fox Footage" and his video is unlisted*. Only those with the link can see it is an extra motivation for people to link/embed it. It seems to be working with 4,340 unique referring non-twitter/facebook inbound linking sites.

Inbound linking sites include include Billy Bragg, Global Paradigm Shift, Godlike Productions, Ed Shultz, Progress Florida, A Bunch of "Occupy" Facebook Pages, WCPT Chicago, Information Clearing House, Democratic Underground, TooCoolforTV, GoKill.com and The Huffington Post.

*Unlisted videos will not show up in Google, Bing or YouTube searches due to a noindex value for the robots meta tag.

Most commentary seems to be supportive leftists because of the anti-Fox connotation and leftists dismiss it because of Jesus stuff. I haven't seen any conservative leaning sites link to it.

For example the Huffington Post the biggest, by far, inbound linking site:

Quote:A member of the movement's media team sent the New York Observer footage of Jesse LaGreca, the protester, politely but pointedly criticizing Fox News, as well as Griff Jenkins, the producer asking him questions. (Fox News has sent several producers and correspondents to the New York encampment; much of the coverage has leaned toward negativity or mockery.)

The video shows Jenkins asking LaGreca if the movement took any cues from the protests in Greece and Europe. "I’d say that we didn’t take our cue leading off of anybody really," LaGreca says. "It became a more spontaneous movement." He then turns his sights on Jenkins, and on Fox News itself.

"It’s fun to talk to the propaganda machine and the media, especially conservative media networks such as yourself, because we find that we can't get conversations for the Department of Justice’s ongoing investigation of News Corporation, for which you are an employee," he says.

"We’re here giving you an opportunity on the record … to put any message you want out there, to give you fair coverage," Jenkins responds. "...You wouldn’t be able to get your message out there without us."

"Take for instance when Glenn Beck was doing his protest and he called the President a person who hates white people and white culture,"LaGreca says. "That was a low moment in Americans’ history and you guys kinda had a big part in it. So, I’m glad to see you coming around and kind of paying attention to what the other 99 percent of Americans are paying attention to."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/fox-news-occupy-wall-street-video_n_992406.html

So what was left out?


Jesse: I’d say that we didn’t take our cue leading off of anybody really. It became a more spontaneous movement. As far as seeing this end, I wouldn’t like to see this end. I would like to see the conversation continue. This is what we should have been talking about in 2008 when the economy collapsed. We basically patched a hole on the tire and said let the car keep rolling. Unfortunately it’s fun to talk to the propaganda machine and the media especially conservative media networks such as yourself, because we find that we can't get conversations for the Department of Justice’s ongoing investigation of News Corporation, for which you are an employee. But we can certainly ask questions like you know, why are the poor engaging in class warfare? After 30 years of having our living standards decrease while the wealthiest 1% have had it better than ever, I think it’s time for some maybe, I don’t know, participation in our democracy that isn’t funded by news cameras and gentlemen such as yourself.

Fox: But, uh, yeah well, let me give you this challenge Jesse.

Jesse: Sure.


Fox: We’re here giving you an opportunity on the record […] to put any message you want out there, to give you fair coverage and I’m not going to in any way

Jesse: That’s awesome!

Fox:…give you advice about it. So, there is an exception in the case, because
you wouldn’t be able to get your message out there without us.

Jesse: No, surely, I mean, take for instance when Glenn Beck was doing his protest and he called the President, uh, a person who hates white people and white culture. That was a low moment in Americans’ history and you guys kinda had a big part in it. So, I’m glad to see you coming around and kind of paying attention to what the other 99 percent of Americans are paying attention to, as opposed to the far-right fringe, who who would just love to destroy the middle class entirely.

Fox: Alright, fair enough. You have a voice, an important reason to criticize myself, my company and anyone else. But, let me ask you that, in fairness, does this administration, President Obama, have any criticism as to the the financial situation the country’s in…?

Jesse: I think, myself, uh, as well as many other people, would like to see a little bit more economic justice or social justice—Jesus stuff—as far as feeding the poor, healthcare for the sick. You know, I find it really entertaining that people like to hold the Bill of Rights up while they’re screaming at gay soldiers, but they just can’t wrap their heads around the idea that a for-profit healthcare system doesn’t work. So, let’s just look at it like this, if we want the President to do more, let’s talk to him on a level that actually reaches people, instead of asking for his birth certificate and wasting time with total nonsense like Solyndra.


Transcription courtesy http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/gee-wonder-why-fox-news-declined-to-air-this-interview-with-occupy-wall-st-protester/

From what I see this video's popularity is not a solely a result of genuinely grassroots initiated posts and blogs, but may have been eventually, even without the assistance of gatekeeper sites like the Huffington Post. 634,060 views in three days doesn't just happen and wouldn't have without placement in a few key traffic hubs.

Damage control for some of what he said since he doesn't fit nicely into a paradigm box and calls the media out on it's incompetence and boosting up of non-stories so it was framed in a completely polarized format as opposed to slanted by Jesse's ideological stance and a call for more 'cut through the crap' participation and engaged conversation.

It'd be interesting to see this guy on The Daily Show to see if he keeps it focal about getting involved rather than handing over power.

As for his talking points surrounding the core issue of addressing the absence of relevant discussion, although secondary, are critical of the right but he also calls for Obama to do more for the common man. I can see that view since there is clearly an endless handout driving record government spending why is it so heavily favoured to banks, military ventures and crony corporations? He may not have considered that government can simply not spend so bloody much of our revenue, get off of a private banking system and maybe even employ a little trade protectionism policy to encourage domestic production.

Solyndra itself ($443 Million Loan likely to default) is but the tip of the iceberg on a much bigger solar subsidy, loan, contract, tax break and grants program which is part of an even bigger boondoggle in the green energy cronyism windfall, carbon bubble, global power shift, land grab and regulatory structure.

Health care under Obamacare is still a for-profit system which would be better if basic group buy insurance was issued by the government and payable to a health care fund that included more than sick care. For profit only works with competition and honesty/accountability. Maybe Jesse was being critical of Obamacare but probably not.

You have to wonder how many other times MSM cut, clipped and dropped these type of 'Man on the Street' interviews.
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10-06-2011, 10:09 PM,
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-05-2011, 07:16 AM)Hans Olo Wrote: - He keeps calling America a Democracy, when in fact it's a Republic. It doesn't matter if 99% of the people want to rob 1%

It's a democratic republic. That gives you the right to vote out Obama next term...

Would you prefer 1% robbing 99% of the others?
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10-06-2011, 11:41 PM,
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.

When I listen to the guy, I get the feeling that he's speaking from a script.

Remember this guy?



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10-08-2011, 10:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-08-2011, 10:23 AM by Hans Olo.)
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
Quote:Would you prefer 1% robbing 99% of the others?

Have you been brainwashed into believing these are your only options?
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10-08-2011, 10:50 AM,
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
(10-08-2011, 10:23 AM)Hans Olo Wrote:
Quote:Would you prefer 1% robbing 99% of the others?

Have you been brainwashed into believing these are your only options?

Enlighten me on my options ...
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10-08-2011, 12:23 PM,
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RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
Does the bear shit on the pope? Jeez, C'mon guys...
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