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Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
10-24-2011, 04:32 PM,
#31
RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
@nwo2012, Hans Olo got my point, that I agree with VAT only, and also, in principle (maybe not at current levels...maybe higher for some products), but I was not saying "I agree with UK income tax", as that would mean, as you and Hans Olo said, along with the current Income Tax.

What I was suggesting was replacing the current income tax & VAT with a VAT only system, at least in principle, with the same standard at the current UK VAT system appropriates VAT percentage (none on non-processed foods, milk etc...more on tobacco and alcohol). Of course there could be some great tweaks to such a system (processed foods, foods we know lead to cancer and disease such as refined sugars and refined fats).

@Hans Olo, I was actually unaware that the Occupy Wall Street lot had anyone mentioning VAT. But then, I'm not really following it now, so I wouldn't be. Wink
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"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
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"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
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10-24-2011, 04:44 PM,
#32
RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
Aha! In that case it's an excellent idea. But yeah sadly it wouldn't happen since the elite need to bleed the middlle class endlessly. Makes sense, bog the majority down with financial woes and they will be less likely to see you hoodwink them. But yes if we ever get control of the world back then that sort of VAT especially on processed junk would be a great idea.
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10-25-2011, 02:12 AM,
#33
RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
thokling Wrote:We as individuals, in many cases, have far more control over reality than what culture has taught us. (In the remaining cases, people already realise this.)

And we return to my original point that reality changes to suit how we want it to change. There are zero exceptions to this rule.

Absolutely!

Why just the other day I was walking down the street and a car almost ran me over. Don't get me wrong it was going very fast and it did hit me but once I realised it was coming towards me I simply decided nothing would happen to me.

Guess what?

The car at the last second veered away from me and crashed into a wall, it's wing mirror brushing my arm. The driver got out demanding to know why I was so careless in crossing the road (I didn't look both ways as I don't need to). I told him he was careless for choosing to drive when he could simply change reality to suit himself and that he should have told reality to make his destination be a simple case of crossing the road - just as I was doing in my daily walk from the opium fields of Afghanistan back to my 93-storey flying intergalactic mansion somewhere in Connecticut.

Confused, he took a swing at me, and, as I'm not a violent person, I did not see the punch coming and he knocked my teeth out. No problem though as I simply willed reality to not only fix my jaw but to replace my teeth with those fabulous grills I see those sub-humans wear on those rap videos.

Those sub-humans are very imaginative and when they reincarnate in more evolved bodies, they will have quite the fun, but for now they will have to do with the reality they chose, like their kin in Africa who all decide to live in hunger and poverty but I digress, except to say poverty is a mind state - no one is really poor, they just decide to live that way themselves and choose to experience disease and famine because they are bored with shelter and food - infact they are not subhuman, they are the highest of humans, demigods if you will, due to their lack of desire which manifests as poverty and to untrained materialistic minds is seen as impoverishment.

Pathetic.

I desire to have no desire!

Anyway continuing with my story, at this point a sizable crowd had gathered and even local law enforcement had arrived because of my amazing feats but also because the man who ran me over and then attacked me had at this point grabbed a gun from his glove compartment. The police asked what happened and I told them that he ran me over and then punched me and was now trying to shoot me! They said how am I still standing and why did I not have any visible damage to where I had been assaulted. I told them because I have far more control over reality than what culture has taught us. I was very tempted to induce a change in their minds but I have chosen a path where I don't change peoples' minds by my ability to control reality - I did when I was younger but I learnt that a lot of women out there are really cross-dressers.

By now the man who was pointing the gun at me was getting very upset and, well, luckily someone in the crowd had a camera and filmed what happened next:





Remember this was in Afghanistan but I had created a reality where Afghanistan to Connecticut was merely a stones throw away and thus I walked about 2.653 meters and was now at the doorstep of my 93-storey flying intergalactic mansion.

I did once wonder what happened to that man that tried to shoot me only to feel his own bullet hit him. At first I felt guilty, perhaps his death was my fault? But then I remembered that I'm not the only one who can control their own reality and thus it is pretty obvious that that man wanted to die. I mean think about it; if someone is constantly afraid of being mugged, raped or killed, guess what? They're going to be mugged, raped or killed. So he had to have been thinking it for it to have occured. Just like all those women that get raped, they secretly wanted it to happen and it did. Hey, don't hate the player, hate the game (damn those monkeys sure do have some clever sayings) - I say 'don't blame the criminal, blame the victim' - actually the criminal is really the victim because they get punished for merely fulfilling the desire of the victim!

Bloody society. Fuckers.

Those poor criminals the mere slaves of someone elses reality with no control over their actions. But wait if they have no control of their reality, then how do they control their reality? Did I want to kill that man or did he want to be killed by me meaning if I didn't want to kill him I wouldn't have had to or still would have regardless of whether I wanted to or not? Umm, no, uhh, we both agreed to do it and as synchronicity would have it, we were both in the right place at the right time to fulfill our desires. Yes that has to be the case. That man, growing up in Afghanistan, had seen so many shootings that he had adapted to that environment and that is what reality served him. I mean it has to be right, it's the law of the universe, there are zero exceptions. Exactly, fuck him, he wanted to die, justice was served.

Now to my opium.
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10-25-2011, 07:23 PM,
#34
RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
R.R, that deserves it's own thread. You have said with sarcasm what I have tried saying with seriousness for years, tried, and more often than not, totally failed.

But seriously, am I able to copy (and attribute it correctly) that and use it elsewhere?

[I'd only ask that I can remove the single F word (or replace it with F*****s). Elsewhere people are much more easily offended and and may ignore reason if emotionalism takes over in the slightest]. LOL
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21

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10-25-2011, 09:30 PM,
#35
RE: Fox News get owned by "Occupy Wall Street" activist. Unaired footage.
Dunamis Wrote:You have said with sarcasm what I have tried saying with seriousness for years

I guess I was somewhat inspired by Voltaire's Candide, Bill Cooper's digs at new-agers (where he challenged those people claiming to be gods to create a universe or do other god-like things) and some good old reductio ad absurdum.

Oh, and the intriguing Just-world hypothesis (which is, in my opinion, a contributing factor to laypeople's dismissal of 'conspiracy theory'):

Quote:The Just World Theory

By Claire Andre and Manuel Velasquez

Afterwards, they said that the 22-year-old woman was bound to attract attention. She was wearing a white lace miniskirt, a green tank top, and no underwear. At knife-point, she was kidnapped from a Fort Lauderdale restaurant parking lot by a Georgia drifter and raped twice. But a jury showed little sympathy for the victim. The accused rapist was acquitted. "We all feel she asked for it [by] the way she was dressed," said the jury foreman.

The verdict of the jurors in the Fort Lauderdale rape trial may have been influenced by a widespread tendency to believe that victims of misfortune deserve what happens to them. The need to see victims as the recipients of their just deserts can be explained by what psychologists call the Just World Hypothesis. According to the hypothesis, people have a strong desire or need to believe that the world is an orderly, predictable, and just place, where people get what they deserve. Such a belief plays an important function in our lives since in order to plan our lives or achieve our goals we need to assume that our actions will have predictable consequences. Moreover, when we encounter evidence suggesting that the world is not just, we quickly act to restore justice by helping the victim or we persuade ourselves that no injustice has occurred. We either lend assistance or we decide that the rape victim must have asked for it, the homeless person is simply lazy, the fallen star must be an adulterer. These attitudes are continually reinforced in the ubiquitous fairy tales, fables, comic books, cop shows and other morality tales of our culture, in which good is always rewarded and evil punished.

Melvin Lerner, a social psychologist, has conducted a series of experiments to test this hypothesis. In an impressive body of research, he documents people's eagerness to convince themselves that beneficiaries deserve their benefits and victims their suffering. In a 1965 study, Lerner reported that subjects who were told that a fellow student had won a cash prize in a lottery tended to believe that the student worked harder than another student who lost the lottery. In another study a year later, Lerner and a colleague videotaped a simulated "learning" experiment in which it appeared that the "participants" were subjected to electric shocks. Lerner found that subjects who observed the videotapes tended to form much lower opinions of these "victimized" participants when there was no possibility of the victim finding relief from the ordeal, or when the victim took on the role of "martyr" by voluntarily remaining in the experiment despite the apparent unpleasantness of the experience. Lerner concluded that "the sight of an innocent person suffering without possibility of reward or compensation motivated people to devalue the attractiveness of the victim in order to bring about a more appropriate fit between her fate and her character."

If the belief in a just world simply resulted in humans feeling more comfortable with the universe and its capriciousness, it would not be a matter of great concern for ethicists or social scientists. But Lerner's Just World Hypothesis, if correct, has significant social implications. The belief in a just world may undermine a commitment to justice.

Zick Rubin of Harvard University and Letitia Anne Peplau of UCLA have conducted surveys to examine the characteristics of people with strong beliefs in a just world. They found that people who have a strong tendency to believe in a just world also tend to be more religious, more authoritarian, more conservative, more likely to admire political leaders and existing social institutions, and more likely to have negative attitudes toward underprivileged groups. To a lesser but still significant degree, the believers in a just world tend to "feel less of a need to engage in activities to change society or to alleviate plight of social victims."

Ironically, then, the belief in a just world may take the place of a genuine commitment to justice. For some people, it is simply easier to assume that forces beyond their control mete out justice. When that occurs, the result may be the abdication of personal responsibility, acquiescence in the face of suffering and misfortune, and indifference towards injustice. Taken to the extreme, indifference can result in the institutionalization of injustice. Still, the need to believe that the world is just can also be a positive force. The altruism of volunteers and of heroes who risk their lives to help strangers in need is a result of people trying to restore justice to insure that the world remains just. As Melvin Lerner writes, "We have persuasive evidence that people are strongly motivated by the desire to eliminate suffering of innocent victims."

Neither science nor psychology has satisfactorily answered the question of why the need to view the world as just exerts such a powerful influence on human behavior and the human psyche. But the research suggests that humans have a need to bring their beliefs about what is right into conformity with the objective reality they encounter--and that they will work to achieve consistency either by modifying their beliefs or attempting to modify that reality. By becoming more conscious of our own tendencies, we may be more inclined to take the latter approach.

The need to see victims as the recipients of their just deserts can be explained by what psychologists call the "Just World Hypothesis."

http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v3n2/justworld.html

Dunamis Wrote:am I able to copy (and attribute it correctly) that and use it elsewhere?

Yes.

Dunamis Wrote:I'd only ask that I can remove the single F word (or replace it with F*****s)

There were actually 2 f-bombs, but yes you can remove/replace them.
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