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The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)
10-07-2011, 06:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-07-2011, 06:03 PM by thokling.)
RE: The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)
(10-07-2011, 04:45 PM)Armilus Wrote: You deserve no reply -- but what the hell... I'm bored.

You're desperately trying to hold on to that thin thread you call "reasoning". It's fun watching you scramble for your next emotional outburst.

(10-07-2011, 04:45 PM)Armilus Wrote: What i described is reality, check your history books or evening news. And believe it or not -- i am not telling them to fight. It is crooked thieves and sly politicians who are responsible for most of the recent wars. Of course people will believe their lying propaganda, and dislike those who are telling the truth. I know how short-sighted people are, so i don't really care how you perceive it. Not trying to win any popularity contest either.

- History is always written by the winners, who often lie.
- The evening news is always written by the corporations, which often lie.
- Whether or not you're telling people to fight, you wish to continue to perpetuate violence and murder through your own statements. (I'm convinced that if you were given a real gun, you'd either piss your pants or shoot yourself in the foot, the latter of which you've proven yourself more than capable thus far during your ramblings on ConCen).
- People are responsible for wars by responding to fear. By taking responsibility for the politics of their leaders instead of expecting their rights to be served to them on a silver platter, people stand a better chance of resolving problems before they start.
- Of course you know how short-sighted people are. Personal experience trumps theory any day.

Judging from your attempts at formulating arguments thus far, you appear to prefer reliance upon fairy tales than actual logic.


(10-07-2011, 04:45 PM)Armilus Wrote: I see you base your argument on a faulty assumption people who are forced to defend themselves, are nothing else than primitive animals. That's really stupid thing to say. Patriots bled for our liberty, they fought not out of fear, but out of survival. They had a vision of liberty and a bright future for everyone! All the moral idiots who condemn them for using violence deserve nothing else than tyranny! So then, in time, some of you will be forced to fight for your own survival in most primitive and brutal ways.

You accuse me of basing my argument on the assumption that people blah blah blah blah. You're just making shit up here and putting words in my mouth. My point, which you would have seen if you had bothered to stop and think about what I posted, was that preventing the problems from starting in the first place would remove the need for violence. I said nothing about people having to defend themselves being primitive animals.

My other point here is you're too scared to think your way out of situations. That's what happens when you rely on what history and the evening news tells you.

(If you're the best the Antichrist has to offer, I don't know why everyone's so worried. Heh.)

Blame will solve no problems. It's up to the people to take back their freedoms, and this can be and is being done peacefully. Wars and revolutions are started by politicians or politico-wanna-be's, so by expecting violence to resolve the issue you're placing yourself at the same level as the same politicians you allegedly abhor. Have you not thought out this argument at all?

Time and time again, I keep pointing out holes in your arguments, and you repeatedly don't get the hint that you're incapable of holding your own intellectually.

I'd long ago given up any hope of changing your perspective. I'm instead hoping that enough people realise how futile the arguments you're making are that you end up being less of an obstacle during the growth of our species and more of an example. Advocating murder? Blaming a select few for something a great number are truly responsible for?

Like I said in a prior response, the old order is what's holding us back from being magnificent, and you're part of that old order. If you want violence so bad, there's plenty out there for you to sink your teeth into, but don't expect violence to create a better society. It never works. It only helps to perpetuate more violence.
Truth appears in many forms. Find those that resonate with you.

- "If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise, we do not believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky
- "Humans are not a rational animal, but a rationalizing one." - Leon Festinger - The World In Action
10-07-2011, 06:41 PM,
RE: The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)
(10-07-2011, 09:32 AM)Armilus Wrote: You mean Tunisia and Egypt? Those two were relatively peaceful, with some random violence. Libya and Syria today are hell, a lot of violence, and foreign forces involved.

All these mentioned + Yemen are revolutions based on non-violent struggle.
The people protesting practiced unprecedented civility, restraint, tolerance, and peacefulness. This is how all of these events started.

The violence came from security forces and street thugs on the payroll.

Syrian and Yemeni people still to this day abide by the ethics mentioned even as tens are murdered every day. Non-stop protesting to this day are taking place by the thousands & hundreds of thousands. Meanwhile, splinter military factions took up arms to protect the people and resist the murderers in very limited ways, acts which are clearly in self-defense and independent from the non-violent acts of resistance the people are conducting.

Libya, on the other hand, is led by a renowned blood-thirsty lunatic psychopath (Gaddafi) that was ready to wipe out the whole population for the sake of protecting his throne. The people did not fight back until thousands were massacred and military action had to take place (to protect the innocent people) which is completely justified. It's arguable that this could have been a mistake on the part of the people, but the war is almost over anyways, thank god.

To make this clear, the latest approximate death tolls are:

Tunisia: 219 (According to UN)

Egypt: 365 (Ministry of Health)

Libya: between 20 -50 thousand (Rebel leaders)

Syria: 2900 up to yesterday (UN)

Yemen: 1480 (Ministry of Info)

America is not similar to these regimes in dealing with their subjects & violence is not necessary to bring change. Violent wrong doing by security should not be a deterrent for those who love their country & want a better future for themselves and their offspring.
10-19-2011, 11:48 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-19-2011, 12:30 PM by Negentropic.)
RE: The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)
(10-07-2011, 11:25 AM)thokling Wrote: The mentality and fear of the old order is the cause for the backwater aspects of our planet's cultures which prevent us, as a species and as peoples, from advancing beyond the need for blood, revenge and fear. To kill a person, no matter who, is to restrict humanity from becoming more than what it can be. All people, whether one perceives them as good or evil, have a right to live and a right to act.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To try, convict and execute the rapist & killer of your sister, daughter or mother would not 'restrict humanity from becoming more than what it can be,' it would help other potential victims of the piece of shit, including the ones who would have to pay the taxes to have his sorry ass fed & housed in prison for life, become much more than what they would be otherwise: not raped and killed and brutalized and with more money and peace-of-mind to do productive things with rather than have to upkeep a piece of shit for life.

There is no mystical contagion that takes justice and turns it into injustice as soon as some 'sacred' douchebag individual human being is eliminated for violating another individual human's right to live anymore than it would if the guy just disappeared into maggot-food on his own. No mystic collectivist contagion of blood-thirst and dehumanization operates except where it's already institutionalized as in totalitarian communist hellholes like Soviet Russia & Maoist China so loved by Marxists, collectivists and liberals of all shades and colors.

You wanna see 'restriction of humanity from being what it can be'? Try going back in time and freezing your nuts off in 40 degrees below zero Siberian gulags with the millions that became everything they were meant to become: dead frozen meat . But, no, you love humanity so much, you would pamper the Bolshevik thugs who sent them there like new-born infants.

Revolutions are usually caused by mass injustice or legalized criminality and rape running rampant with no checks.

Therefore, when people in power run false-flag operations and orchestrated media charades and lie through their teeth and go murder millions of people in other countries and do absolutely everything in their power to restrict and violate all liberties in all countries to the utmost extent of their power, these are outright traitors and mass-murderers a hundred times worse than any rapist & killer of your mother, daughter or sister. But you expect the general public to cry and feel sorry for these maggots in the name of 'humanity' and 'advancing beyond revenge' ? You want the brutalized and raped public to not 'restrict their oh-so-human-right to freely act' ? What kind of drugs are you on?

When justice can't be had through courts and tribunals and civil procedure, when millions are prevented by unconstitutional, inhuman laws from acting peacefully to exercise choice to change things, natural justice takes over and the blood flows. This born necessity does not conflict with millions of individuals awakening to a higher consciounsess or awareness of how they're being oppressed. It's caused by all other options being thoroughly exhausted and EVERYONE ELSE who was always suspecting and repressing the obvious spectacle of their oppression suddenly realizing that the millions of awakened ones were right and all feeling the anger simultaneously and not being able to channel the anger anywhere or put a lid on it.
10-19-2011, 04:30 PM,
RE: The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)
I definitely would not call the OWS movement an American Revolution by any stretch. There may be some valiant efforts being put forth by those within the movement but overall, I dont see this playing a major role in any changes for the better.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

10-20-2011, 01:02 AM,
RE: The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)
@attariq, perhaps you should research more into the so-called revolutions you mention. Libya and Syria are not people's revolutions. Don't believe what the MSM tells you ffs! Libyan rebels? don't you mean Al Qaeda=CIA operatives/trained scumbags.
I wonder why in Syria the so called 'protesters' are carrying Israeili weapons?
10-21-2011, 12:30 AM,
RE: The American Revolution is here and you still occupy your couch at home .-)

Funkadelic - Biological Speculation


Songwriters: George Jr Clinton, Erni Harris

We're just a biological speculation
Sittin' here, vibratin'
And we don't know what we're vibratin' about

And the animal instinct in me
Makes me wanna defend me
It makes me want to live when it's time to die

Y'all see my point?
I don't mean to come on strong but I am concerned

I believe in god
Though I know that law and order must prevail
Oh, if and when the laws of man
Is not just, equal and fair
Then the laws of nature will come and do her thing

Oh, she does not think
She just rectifies
She comes and balances the book
Y'all see my point?
Y'all see my point?

We're just a biological speculation
Sittin' here, vibratin'
And we don't know what we're vibratin' about

And the animal instinct in me
It makes me wanna defend me
It makes me want to live when it's time to die

Y'all see my point? (y'all see my point?)
Some of you, you might not be aware
That some of us don't eat
Some of you don't, you don't even care

Oh, if and when the system
Creates hunger and hate
Then the laws of nature will come and do her thing
Oh, yes, oh!

She does not think
She works by instinct
Survival is her thing
Do y'all see my point? (ohh!)
Y'all see my point?

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