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Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
09-30-2011, 07:15 AM,
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Information  Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
The legal jive:

BILL C-428 Full Text
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=4007101&file=4

LEGISinfo Bill Watching Tool
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&billId=3758903&Mode=1

An email explaining the situation in context..

Quote:Subject: Bill C-428--Very important.
FROM: The Hon. Diane Finley P.C.M.P., Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development

I am pleased to respond to your electronic message which was forwarded to me by the Office of the Prime Minister the Right Honourable Stephen Harper regarding private member's Bill C-428.

As you know Bill C-428 proposes to amend the Old Age Security Act to reduce the residence requirement for entitlement to a monthly pension from ten years to three years. This private member's bill was introduced in the House of Commons by M.P. Ruby Dhallaa Liberal Opposition Member.

As the Minister responsible I have been very clear that when this Bill comes forward we will strongly oppose it.

The Old Age Security (OAS) pension is paid to seniors in recognition of the contribution that they have made to Canadian society the economy and their community. The OAS program is non-contributory and is based solely on age and residence in Canada after the age of 18. The ten-year residence rule is consistent with many other countries that have residence or contribution requirements associated with their national pensions to ensure that benefits are given in proportion to years of residence or affiliation with their pension programs. With this in mind it is felt that the current ten-year residence requirement represents a balance between a reasonable contribution to Canadian society and the right to receive a lifelong pension.
It is estimated that reducing the ten-year eligibility requirement to three years would cost over $700 million annually in additional OAS and Guaranteed Income Supplement benefits.. Given that the OAS program is funded entirely from general tax revenues this would be costly and place an additional burden on the Canadian taxpayer..
Yours sincerely
The Hon. Diane Finley
P.C.M.P.
Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development

Don't quit yet .....................
Bill #C-428 [THANKS TO RUBY DHALLA AND BOB RAE]
Only if you disagree with this Bill ... pass this message along.
This bill should not have seen the light of day ... and yet it will receive second reading at the next sitting of parliament.

Please read the bill and make your own decision. If you disagree with the bill send this to everyone over the age of 50 in your address book ... or those who may be turning 50 a few years
Hopefully by letting your member of parliament know your feelings on the bill it will be defeated.
If you agree with the bill you don't need to do anything..
URGENT ATTENTION About Our OAS pensions Bill C-428 An Act to Amend the Old Age Security Act (residency requirements)

Bill C-428 will allow recent immigrants to apply for OAS in 3 years instead of the existing 10.

This bill had first reading in the house on June 18, 2009. It was seconded by Bob Rae! MP Ms Ruby Dhalla who introduced the bill represents the riding of Brampton whose population is mainly East Indian. Right now you have to have lived in Canada for 10 years in order to qualify for Old Age Security. She wants the time reduced to 3 years. Thousands could come to Canada when they are 62 years old never having worked or contributed to this country's tax system etc and qualify for full Old Age Security benefits. 10 years minimum is reasonable - 3 is not!
Look this up Google C-428 and you will see this bill has only one purpose and that is to 'featherbed' a select group of people for votes.
I certainly hope this bill does not get passed. It is about time we called our elected MP's to ask them to NOT support this bill. Their response may be one factor in helping us determine who gets elected in the next election.
Keep on reading and then ACT !
What Can You Do?
1. Spread the message to family friends and e-mail buds.
2. Write letters send e-mails to all your list and call Members of Parliament

It is time Canada looked after it's vets and long-term citizens before tossing OUR hard-earned money around on people who have no right to this money, never having paid taxes or contributed to our economy. If a family wishes to bring elderly relatives here and are willing to waive their own right to collect these funds in order that the elderly relatives can receive them ... fine. Otherwise do not expect the Canadian taxpayers to do it.

There are too many people abusing the generosity of the Canadian people. We need to stop this NOW. We, our children and our grand children currently owe the global investment community over $500 billion dollars ... the sum of our accumulated National Debt that is never publicized.

Now READ THIS..
Canada Pensions... Only in Canada

* It is interesting to know that the federal Government of Canada allows :

a.. A monthly pension of : $1,890.00 to a simple refugee
b. plus: 580.00 in social aid
==========
A grand total of : $2,470.00 monthly
X 12 months
==========
$28,920.00 annual income

By comparison the Old Age Pension of a senior citizen who has contributed to the development of Our Beautiful Big Country during 40 or 50 years CANNOT receive more than :
a. Amount/month $1,012.00 in Old Age Pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement
x 12 months
============
$12,144.00 annual income
A difference of : $16,776.00 per year

* Perhaps our senior citizens should ask for the Status of Refugees instead of applying for Old Age Pension.

* Let us send this message to as many Canadians as possible and maybe the allowance of refugee could then be reduced to $1012.00 and that of our Canadian pensioners (who actually deserve it) raised to $2470.00 per month...the money that they have been paying in income taxes for 40 or 50 years AN INCREDIBLE NONSENSE !!!

OUR CANADIAN SENIORS CITIZENS DESERVE BETTER
There are no others, there is only us.
http://FastTadpole.com/
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09-30-2011, 04:02 PM,
#2
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
A disgusting state of affairs, Mike Lake, the PC MP in my constituency is getting a missive from me! Thanks for the vigilence FT.
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10-02-2011, 04:02 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-02-2011, 04:08 AM by thokling.)
#3
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
I'm curious as to whether Canada accidentally shot itself in the foot by opening its borders so freely to immigrants, or if a series of these missives are in planning by immigrants. Regardless, many people exist to take advantage of systems.

I'm all for allowing immigrants into the country (we have more than enough space here in Canada), but to live off the system while others have had to previously toil for over three times as long is most abusive of the people and the system. Those who have become accustomed and even habituated to such underhanded tactics should return to the place of their origin for whatever atrocious standards they'd prefer to live by rather than attempt to live up to the moral and societal standards of the country they're expecting to support them.

FT: Do you have a link handy for that email, or was it one you received sekritly?
Truth appears in many forms. Find those that resonate with you.

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10-02-2011, 01:25 PM,
#4
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
Quote:FT: Do you have a link handy for that email, or was it one you received sekritly?

Diane Finley:

Simcoe Office
76 Kent Street, South
Simcoe, ON
N3Y 2Y1
T: 519-426-3400
F: 519-426-0003

Dunnville Office
(Tuesdays & Thursdays)
231 Chestnut Street
Dunnville, ON
N1A 2H2
T: 905-701-1881

Ottawa Office
House of Commons
Confederation Building
Room 707
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6
T: 613-996-4974
F: 613-996-9749
E: Finley.D@parl.gc.ca

http://www.dianefinley.ca/
http://pm.gc.ca/eng/bio.asp?id=64
http://parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/ProfileMP.aspx?Key=128694&Language=E
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Finley
There are no others, there is only us.
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10-02-2011, 03:40 PM,
#5
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
I mailed this post out to my buds and my MP.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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10-03-2011, 06:52 AM,
#6
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
(10-02-2011, 01:25 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:
Quote:FT: Do you have a link handy for that email, or was it one you received sekritly?

Diane Finley:

Simcoe Office, 76 Kent Street, South, Simcoe, ON, N3Y 2Y1
T: 519-426-3400 F: 519-426-0003

Dunnville Office (Tuesdays & Thursdays), 231 Chestnut Street
Dunnville, ON, N1A 2H2, T: 905-701-1881

Ottawa Office, House of Commons, Confederation Building
Room 707, Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6
T: 613-996-4974 F: 613-996-9749 E: Finley.D@parl.gc.ca

I meant the email. If not, I'll copy and paste it. (Insert bitching and whining here about how things were easier in my day and we didn't have to crawl over hell's half acre to find something when it could just be given to us and how Grandma would let us help her drag the dead bodies of her ex-husbands into the abandoned corn silo and how the cost of bread has increased and shit.)
Truth appears in many forms. Find those that resonate with you.

- "If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise, we do not believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky
- "Humans are not a rational animal, but a rationalizing one." - Leon Festinger

http://avaaz.org - The World In Action
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10-03-2011, 07:10 AM,
#7
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
Finley.D@parl.gc.ca - email content itself is quoted in its entirety above.
There are no others, there is only us.
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10-03-2011, 05:21 PM,
#8
Music  RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
(09-30-2011, 07:15 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: a.. A monthly pension of : $1,890.00 to a simple refugee
b. plus: 580.00 in social aid
==========
A grand total of : $2,470.00 monthly
X 12 months
==========
$28,920.00 annual income

By comparison the Old Age Pension of a senior citizen who has contributed to the development of Our Beautiful Big Country during 40 or 50 years CANNOT receive more than :
a. Amount/month $1,012.00 in Old Age Pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement
x 12 months
============
$12,144.00 annual income
A difference of : $16,776.00 per year

* Perhaps our senior citizens should ask for the Status of Refugees instead of applying for Old Age Pension.

* Let us send this message to as many Canadians as possible and maybe the allowance of refugee could then be reduced to $1012.00 and that of our Canadian pensioners (who actually deserve it) raised to $2470.00 per month...the money that they have been paying in income taxes for 40 or 50 years AN INCREDIBLE NONSENSE !!!

OUR CANADIAN SENIORS CITIZENS DESERVE BETTER

I must confess I had no idea we were sponsoring refugees to this extent. This is appalling.
How can we justify this insane waste of taxpayer’s money when individuals who successfully obtain refugee status here in Canada should already be so thankful that they will take any job offered? I would assume the average claimant would be pulling benefits for a very short time following entry into the country….so a much lower drain on the public coffers should be the norm after 3-6 months, and if not we should legislate it, a short grace period to “get on your feet” and then welfare after that…or deportation – not wanting to sound harsh, but without tax reform how can Canada expect to pay for it all? I would rather open the borders to more refugees and have high expectations for social contributions from them than restrict the entry to the lucky or rich....

We need a tax reform to help seniors and the poor, say a doubling of the basic individual tax exemption to $20k, or maybe a tripling to $30k, combined with a minimum tax on the rich and a doubling of the corporate tax rate, it should all even out with a bit of tweaking here and there…..

CPP should be raised along with OAS such that retired individuals can continue to live at home for as long as possible saving the health care system billions of dollars over the next 50 years.
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10-04-2011, 12:22 AM,
#9
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
I got a note back from my MP's special assistant,
[quote]I'm pleased to assure you that Mr. Lake voted against this Bill.

It may also interest you to know that a Dissolution of Parliament (calling for a General Election) ends all business still before the Senate or House of Commons. Therefore, Bill C-428 would have to be re-introduced in the new Parliament by another MP in order to proceed. Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla, the Bill's sponsor, did not win her seat in the recent federal election

Regarding the incorrect information you received on pensioners and refugees, this link may prove useful in responding to your concerns on the matter: [url] http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH//department/media/facts/aid.asp[/url]

We got the worng info it would seem.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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10-05-2011, 12:26 PM,
#10
RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
Thanks for doing the legwork icosaface, that email must have been spamming around for awhile. The 10 year to 3 year residence requirement for OAS payments bill is dead, at least for now.

Just an observation. Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla lost her seat after serving 7 years and was the first Sikh woman to be elected to Parliament in Canada. She was defeated by another Sikh, Conservative Parm Gill which kind of highlights a symptom of a point I make later in this post on ethnic concentration pockets. The NDP also ran a candidate who by looking at him is also of the same cultural background in Manjit Grewal.

Looking at the larger impact of immigration in Canada though.

Thorough report through libertarian eyes, solely based on economics. I found it to be a bit bias by not accounting for some intangible economic benefits such as foreign trade and other advantages that Canada can leverage in being a diverse multicultural society; Other reports I have seen often highlight and over emphasis those same hard to quantify intangible factor to assert their stance. It is rife with facts and analysis though and is the best I have found to date, despite the aforementioned flaws.

Fraser Institute: Immigration and the Canadian Welfare State 2011
http://global-economics.ca/immigration-and-the-canadian-welfare-state-2011.pdf

A bit more (dated) information that is admittedly non-consensual here on Wikipedia but it provides some links to follow up on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_immigration_to_Canada

Here are some statistics on where and when the with some maps denoting ethnic concentration in major urban centres. Interesting findings in this Statistics Canada report showing a massive influx of Asians to Canada. One statistic that jumps out is that Toronto consists of a foreign population of 43.7%, Vancouver at 37.5%.

A Description of the Ethnic Segregation/Mixing Within Major Canadian Metropolitan Areas Project (March 2008)
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/research-stats/ethnic-segregation.pdf
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/research/ethnic-segregation/index.asp

Plenty more stats/reports available here at Citizenship and Immigration Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/research/index.asp

A report based on a 2004 study reveals low income housing for immigrants that is a bit cryptic but highlights a housing subsidy disparity between long term immigrants and native Canadian citizens to the tune of 40% to 20% respectively.

Housing conditions of recent immigrants in low income
http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/publications_resources/research/categories/inclusion/2007/sp_680_05_07_e/page12.shtml

Here's an anti-immigration website with lots of facts and figures that attempt to make their case. They claim that immigration has cost Canada $64,657,000 per day or $18,297,943,228.27 since Jan 1st 2001 on their ticker.

Immigration Watch Canada
http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/

Here's a US/Global view on Immigration:

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children
A Look at Cash, Medicaid, Housing, and Food Programs
http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

Immigration can be good. I'm all for freedom of travel and residence for all. Canada, as we see it today, is a nation of immigrants founded and built on their contributions. The problems can arise when it is done too quickly and/or the new Canadians are not integrated to a point where they can become a functional addition to the existing social, cultural and economic fabric that is the basis for a strong Canada.

As it stands now we're seeing dense pockets of immigrants that divide Canadian communities. In this compartmentalization we end up with competing values because of a lack of association, thus a lack of relation and understanding to other cultural components that make up Canada.

Far from assimilation I'd advocate a gradual blending of the new with the established as opposed to our current policy of forming patchwork pocket integration that breed a Canada spotted with Chinatowns and Little Indias.
There are no others, there is only us.
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10-05-2011, 01:48 PM,
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RE: Bill C-428: Canada's Old Age Security Act Amendments
Very interesting stuff FastTadpole, it will take me awhile to plow through it.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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