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Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
08-27-2011, 10:36 PM,
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Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
Quote:The Home Office announced the blanket ban on all marches in five London boroughs for 30 days starting from September 2, the Independent reported.

Home Secretary Theresa May banned all marches in Tower Hamlets, east London, and four neighbouring boroughs in the capital for a 30-day period following a request from Scotland Yard Acting Commissioner Tim Godwin.

The move comes amid fears of violence and disorder if the marches were allowed to go ahead.

"Having carefully considered the legal tests in the Public Order Act and balanced rights to protest against the need to ensure local communities and property are protected, I have given my consent to a ban on all marches in Tower Hamlets and four neighbouring boroughs for a 30-day period”, said the Home Secretary.

"I know that the Metropolitan Police are committed to using their powers to ensure communities and properties are protected”, added Theresa May.

"We encourage all local people and community leaders to work with the police to ensure community relations are not undermined by public disorder", she said.

Therefore, the English Defence League's plan to march through the capital next month was blocked by the Home Secretary.

But, the British Unite against Fascism (UAF) and United East End (UEE) movement threatened that they will press ahead with the plan for anti Fascist march on September 3, issuing the following statement:

“We the undersigned welcome the banning of the racist English Defence League's (EDL) march through Tower Hamlets.

However, we believe the headlines claiming the EDL have been "banned" from Tower Hamlets are misleading. The EDL will still be holding a static protest in the borough.

“We are also appalled to discover that the Metropolitan Police are applying for a blanket ban on ALL marches across five London boroughs: Tower Hamlets, Newham, Hackney, Islington and Waltham Forest; and the City of London for 30 days”, said the statement.

“This is a huge attack on everyone's civil liberties and prevents people's right to oppose racism.

“We have the democratic right to peacefully march through Tower Hamlets on 3 September to show unity of Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, Black, Asian, LGBT communities, trade unions and all those against fascism and for freedom, and to voice opposition to the EDL's attempts to divide us.

“Our legal advice says there is no law that says if one march has been banned all marches in that area must be banned.

“It is our human right to peacefully march in Tower Hamlets.

“We therefore support the joint UAF/UEE protest on 3 September”, added the statement.

The government's blanket ban is part of an on-going attempt to undermine the right to protest in the UK.

The coalition is designating harsh measures to silence all anti-government protests in the country.

The ban will also affect London's most important protest against the arms trade called “Disarm DSEi,” which has been organized by anti-war activists to urge the government to shut down the world's largest arms fair on September 13.

London is to host the world's biggest arms fair, Defense & Security Equipment International (DSEi), on 13-16 September at the ExCeL centre in East London's Docklands.

The fair holds every two years in London, this year more than 1200 arms companies will exhibit their deadly products to 25,000 buyers from across the world, including repressive and human rights abusing regimes.

“Europe Against Austerity” protest on October 1 would also be involved in the Home Office's blanket ban plan.

Leading British trade unions, social movements and progressive organisations have decided to stage a protest at European Conference against Austerity and Privatisation.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/196108.html
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08-27-2011, 11:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-27-2011, 11:19 PM by Bull Medicine.)
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
blanket ban on marches? what about the military tattoo n when armed forces come back from fighting for Dubai or whatever? is that march banned too? how many people could "constitute" a march under the criminal justoce bill?
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08-28-2011, 10:02 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2011, 10:06 AM by pax681.)
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
a wee bit sensationalist of a title.. it shoud, be london bans certain protests
Quote:how many people could "constitute" a march under the criminal justoce bill?
that's known already.. gatherings of 12 people or more are affected by the criminal justice bill.
this was more to do with illegal raves than it ever was to do with protests when the criminal justice bill was written.
i used to attend the "kill the bill- breach of the peace parties" in Glasgow all the time when i was at Uni and even DJ'd at a few..lol
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08-28-2011, 10:47 AM,
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
this is the schizophrenic nature of a government. before it was just a riot, criminality pure and simple. then ban protests......erm so you are saying they were protesting now?
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08-28-2011, 11:57 AM,
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
Dont think its possible to ban a "riot" as this is usually deemed an outburst of some kind (criminally motivated or otherwise).
You can however ban a protest as this enable you to stop the numbers forming for any escalation INTO a riot.

Lets face it, most protest marches are taken over by extremists or agent provocateurs and very rarely achieve anything other than giving the illusion of progress and a day out. Remember the anti Iraq war, etc etc.
However fathers for justice are known to everyone because someone dressed up as a superhero and climbed a building...

We need to be more imaginative when we want to make our feelings known not just rely on the tired old methods which dont really work and just end up with even more restrictions on our freedom.
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08-28-2011, 12:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2011, 01:31 PM by pax681.)
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
actually the more i think about
"Britain enacts blanket ban "
the more bloody annoying and sensationalist and tabloid i find it to be.
the first line of what is quoted says what actually happened
Quote:The Home Office announced the blanket ban on all marches in five London boroughs for 30 days starting from September 2
in saying "Britain enacts....".. that's just a bullshit escalation of what actually happened. it's just NOT truthful to say"Britain enacts" as , by implication it infers that it's a thing that covers England,Scotland,Ireland and Wales.. when in facts it's just fucking london.

Mind you, not that it could be enacted in Scotland by Westminster anyways and thank fuck for that.
can i ask... was this sensationalist, tabloid style titling just used to get more views as tabloid headlines are used to get peeps to buy papers?
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08-28-2011, 12:21 PM,
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
I am sure that it's nothing to do with peaceful protests already planned! And of course most "sheeple" will support such moves, not fully understanding that there a big difference between those that looted and protesters.

I wonder if police will be ordered to "stand and observe" on Sept 11th with The End of Fear, just as they did for two days when the riots and looting began recently?!? My guessing would be, this is going to be the opposite of the riots and looting (peaceful) and so the police will act the opposite way, which will of course be violently.

The recent events have made me start to wonder. Does "victim mentality" on either the part of protesters, or on part of the police, affect things? Of course a crowd of peaceful protesters is a lot less intimidating than a group of rioters with bricks. Do people when encountering the police generally take on a role of victim?

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08-28-2011, 02:05 PM,
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The observation has been made, time and again, that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity. In the 1300's the hedge row preist John Bull led a million strong march on London to demand changes to the way peasants were treated by the elite parasites. The King acquiesced to the peasants demands, the protestors disbanded and began returning to whence they came. The king rounded up his gang of thugs (the army) and layed into the bands of homeward bound peasants. John Bull was drawn and quartered. That happened 700 years ago, do you think the parasites have changed their ways?



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We need to change our ways of trying to change the parasites ways. If we are going to continue with these marches then the black block needs to be excluded from the marches, anybody wearing a mask should also be excluded. We need a peace force so that the parasites can't justify using violent repressive measures. We either take charge of events or the vacuum will be filled by hired thugs who will lead the charge against us. IMO
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08-29-2011, 10:50 AM,
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(08-28-2011, 02:05 PM)icosaface Wrote: The observation has been made, time and again, that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity. In the 1300's the hedge row preist John Bull led a million strong march on London to demand changes to the way peasants were treated by the elite parasites. The King acquiesced to the peasants demands, the protestors disbanded and began returning to whence they came. The king rounded up his gang of thugs (the army) and layed into the bands of homeward bound peasants. John Bull was drawn and quartered. That happened 700 years ago, do you think the parasites have changed their ways?



You can download the whole vid here.

We need to change our ways of trying to change the parasites ways. If we are going to continue with these marches then the black block needs to be excluded from the marches, anybody wearing a mask should also be excluded. We need a peace force so that the parasites can't justify using violent repressive measures. We either take charge of events or the vacuum will be filled by hired thugs who will lead the charge against us. IMO

if the king acquiesced in face of the peaceful protesters but then later attacked with the army why would peaceful protest work better now?
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08-29-2011, 11:51 AM,
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
(08-29-2011, 10:50 AM)Bull Medicine Wrote:
(08-28-2011, 02:05 PM)icosaface Wrote: We need to change our ways of trying to change the parasites ways. If we are going to continue with these marches then the black block needs to be excluded from the marches, anybody wearing a mask should also be excluded. We need a peace force so that the parasites can't justify using violent repressive measures. We either take charge of events or the vacuum will be filled by hired thugs who will lead the charge against us. IMO
if the king acquiesced in face of the peaceful protesters but then later attacked with the army why would peaceful protest work better now?

I have to admit, I was thinking the same thing. They (I gather) didn't wear masks back then either...clearly the sheer numbers.

Actually, I thought I'd check the numbers, incidentally, in 1086 the population of England alone was at about 1 million [1]. So how 1 million 300 years later were involved I'm unsure. But then, it turns out it wasn't as it's deemed, just a "Peasants Revolt", as those with money and status were often involved [2].

That the whole affair was non-violent and non-destructive in any sense is also brought into question when you take a brief look at recorded events [3] [4].

On a side note, the priests name was John Ball (rather than John Bull the political character put into newspapers, similar to "Uncle Sam") [5].

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt#Conclusion
3. http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/the-peasants-revolt.htm
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ball_%28priest%29
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08-29-2011, 02:27 PM,
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Thanks for the clarification Dunamis. Yes, they were attacked after the demonstration so we need to take that into account. We need to have plans in place to derail their plans. We need more commitment than just showing up for a march.
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08-29-2011, 05:41 PM,
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RE: Britain enacts blanket ban on protests
Quote:In finding itself banned, Unite Against Fascism has fallen victim to its own brand of boneheaded illiberalism

By Brendan O'Neill Politics Last updated: August 29th, 2011

Just how dumb is Unite Against Fascism? Having lobbied the government many times in recent months to ban marches by the English Defence League, it is now outraged that the Government has not only taken up this offer to squish the EDL but has pushed it further, by banning all public protests in five London boroughs for the next 30 days. That means both the Right-wing EDL and the lefties at UAF – and anyone else with a political gripe – are forbidden from marching in Tower Hamlets, Newham, Hackney, Islington and Waltham Forest any time in September. “This is a huge attack on everyone’s civil liberties”, bleats UAF, which is weird, considering that they’re the ones who invited the Government to undermine people’s civil liberties in the first place.

Theresa May’s blanket ban on all protests, following a request from the Metropolitan Police, is certainly outrageous, not to mention ironic, coming as it does just days after her boss David Cameron talked about his role in introducing political freedom to Libya. But UAF has no one but itself to blame for this extraordinary clampdown on the right to protest. For an apparently radical leftist campaign group, UAF is awfully fond of asking the Tory government to ban things – it has frequently demanded the outlawing of EDL marches, on the basis that they “spread fear” and might brainwash stupid working-class white people into turning racist. And when you cravenly invite the Government to play the role of in loco parentis in community life, to squish heated marches or protests on the basis that they might warp people’s minds and hearts, you really shouldn’t be surprised when it jumps at the opportunity. If you spend your every waking hour going cap-in-hand to the powers-that-be, demanding “No Platform!” for people you don’t like, you’re not in a very good position to complain when the authorities decide to deny you a platform too.

Now, UAF has issued what must rank as one of the silliest political statements of the year so far. “We the undersigned welcome the banning of the racist English Defence League’s march through Tower Hamlets,” it says. “But we are appalled to discover that the Metropolitan Police are applying for a blanket ban on ALL marches across five London boroughs… It is our human right to peacefully march in Tower Hamlets.” Wait – how come UAF has a “human right” to march, but the EDL does not? Are EDL members not human? Moreover, it really is spectacularly daft to talk about the importance of the right to march in the same breath as you welcome a government decision to ban a march. What UAF is effectively saying is: “We should have the freedom to march, but they shouldn’t.”

Which rather confirms that the anti-fascist Left doesn’t know the meaning of the word freedom. Freedom of speech only exists if everyone has it. The freedom to protest must mean that everyone, from worthy Left-wingers to cranky EDL types, should be at liberty to gather where and when they please and to demand whatever they want. What UAF is fighting for is not freedom but privilege. If a thing is denied to some people but granted to others, then it’s a privilege rather than a right – and UAF wants the “privilege to protest” in certain London boroughs where it expects other, less privileged, possibly non-human political activists to be silenced and curfewed on its behalf by the government. That is, UAF only really believes in Government-approved, Tory-approved, forms of public agitation. Maybe now, having fallen victim to its own boneheaded illiberalism and censorious stupidity, UAF will recognise that privileges can quite easily be taken away.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100102396/in-finding-itself-banned-unite-against-fascism-has-fallen-victim-to-its-own-brand-of-boneheaded-illiberalism/
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08-29-2011, 07:03 PM,
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Cheers for the article R.R. I have often thought the same thing myself. The sad reality though is that EDL marches tend to always (at some point) turn violent in one way or another. Maybe it's just a few opportunistic thugs who want a fight, maybe it's inherent within the movement, who knows.

But I do stand my their right to freedom of speech and freedom to protest, without harm to others or their private property.

It doesn't mean that these moves are any better, warranted or justified simply because a group has called for them. There are a few marches and protests that have been planned for this time frame, and I am sure more such bans will more readily be issued in future, using this one as a "legal precedent".
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08-29-2011, 10:22 PM,
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@Dunamis

EDL protests do often turn violent, although one wonders what role the UAF have in that. At least the EDL can't make out that they are being 'victimised' or singled-out as it would strengthen their message in the eyes of their followers, who will interpret it as more proof of the government being against them.

The UAF are very silly anyway to assume the EDL have any foresight to even want to go as far as implementing any political system - they primarily want to maintain their beer and football lifestyle. There is nothing about fascism that outright requires racism even if most fascist regimes have had heavy racism.

I too stand by their right to free speech, one should always let the other talk as I find they more often than not show themselves up as having weak arguments anyway. We can never get to that stage if it is suppressed and such suppression tends to lead to underground movements which, by virtue of being underground, makes their cause seem more worthwhile in the eyes of the foot soldiers - especially if it is a gripe with governmental policies.

You are spot on about 'precedents'. Once again we see governments taking advantage of a situation to suit their own agendas, which is why I rarely back any activists as they simply do not have the ability to see the ramifications of their actions. That is of course if both groups do not have 'handlers', or should we say 'guiding hands'. Even so it is very easy to subvert such movements and looked at in that context, the message is irrelevant. All that matters is the action and the subsequent spin that can be attached to it.
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08-29-2011, 11:38 PM,
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Maybe rather than "activism" we all need to ensure we are constantly engaged in showing others the methods of Active Education, which one could define as education that an individual is very active in, rather than the mainstream passive education.
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"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
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