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work disciplinary
07-15-2011, 12:29 AM,
#1
work disciplinary
to be honest not sure if this goes here. long story short, i had a n infection in the glands in my groin, escalated to an anal fissure, yes you are all boking, which then led to an anal abscess, and i can say, jesus what pain, suffered from viral menengitis as a child and the pain compares. anyway, was signed off by the hospital for a week, my doctor then signed me off for another week. returned to work 2 days early felt bad. i had my back to work meeting with managment to see if i was fit to work. was then issued with a date for a disciplinary for being over the companies or store managments fictuous 4% sick percentage.not in writing or print. what i don't comprehend is when i have followed company procedures why i am getting, which basically means a verbal warning. no i am not going to accepy it, i'm a stubborn highlander and want to make the point that because of the current economic climate,i will not be bulllied or forced to accept anything that goes against my morals . i had to have emergency surgery, yet i am being disciplined for it. what was i supposed to do,tell my doctor,no sorry, can't have that operation,my work will give me a row.
i will challenge them, i will ask awkward questions, and i will make them understand , i will not be bullied by these people.
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07-15-2011, 01:45 AM,
#2
RE: work disciplinary
alrighty bud, am in Scotland myself albeit in Edinburgh, however i am pretty sure they cannot give you a disciplinary for what has happened.
here is a list of places that can help you depending on where in Scotland you are
http://www.govanlc.com/scotland.htm
if those places cannot help with your particular case then they will certainly refer you to somewhere that will be able to help and for free too.
dinnae tak ony keech fae naebdy freen Wink
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07-15-2011, 08:27 AM,
#3
RE: work disciplinary
Get in first by instigating a grievance against the company for harassing you when ill. Make sure you have proper certs from your doctor to prove your illness. If you are in a union get onto them straight away, otherwise get hold of your local CAB Citizens Advice Bureau for further advice.

Chances are that you are not going to a disciplinary meeting, you are going to a disciplinary INVESTIGATION meeting, which is in line with the law. This is to establish if you should be disciplined or not. In your case you shouldnt be unless there are facts you arent telling us. eg if you have had a number of other absences which may flag up to your employer that sicknesses might not be genuine.
I would be very surprised if you get a warning etc based on what you have said. These type of meetings are usually done to show employees that your absences are being noticed, and monitored.
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
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07-16-2011, 01:03 PM,
#4
RE: work disciplinary
If I were you I'd be looking for a new job.
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07-22-2011, 01:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-22-2011, 02:20 PM by snecker.)
#5
RE: work disciplinary
thanks for the help. i have been off sick before, but it has always been that i have had to go to the doctors,not like a upset stomach etc. yes the letter does say investigation, but when other people have been through the same situation they have been given verbal warnings at the end of the meeting. it seems to be that if your face does'nt fit, i say what i think and some people don't like that, but then thats the way it should be. we're all individuals and have different principles and morals, i just stick to mine. the meeting is on monday so i'll let you know how it goes. the union rep is coming with me,she says if i get a verbal to appeal. which i will, stubborn,lol. take care people.
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(07-16-2011, 01:03 PM)Hans Olo Wrote: If I were you I'd be looking for a new job.

i wish i could get another job, just are'nt any about,which is a pisser
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07-22-2011, 02:28 PM,
#6
RE: work disciplinary
investigation?

That is different from a disciplinary. You may wish to find out before getting the hump.

One thing you should remember is you are not paid to have oppinions and in some cases it can be detrimental to others views of you. not so much what the opinions are but more to do with the fact that no one likes a nag. If this is a personal matter between you and a member of staff you would do well to at least attempt to bury the hatchet before going to litigation. if you have exhausted all options THEN you have warrent to kick up a fuss. take it easy...
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08-04-2011, 08:52 AM,
#7
RE: work disciplinary
(07-22-2011, 02:28 PM)rsol Wrote: investigation?

That is different from a disciplinary. You may wish to find out before getting the hump.

One thing you should remember is you are not paid to have oppinions and in some cases it can be detrimental to others views of you. not so much what the opinions are but more to do with the fact that no one likes a nag. If this is a personal matter between you and a member of staff you would do well to at least attempt to bury the hatchet before going to litigation. if you have exhausted all options THEN you have warrent to kick up a fuss. take it easy...

i was given a verbal warning, so much for the investigation. anyhoo, said i was going to appeal, but my line manager told me if i did they would make my life difficult and they would get him to do it,woo i'm scared. also 2 more on the shift have gone over the 4% but they have not been through the discipline procedure,now you have to ask why not. i was told in the meeting it's nothing personal and everyone is treated the same. obviously we're not. i can live with it but it just gets my goat that they pick and choose who they do this to. that's what gets me, liars and asses. i treat people the way they treat me it was the way i was brought up and it's the way i will stay. as i said stubborn but there you go. thanks for all your posts take care...
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08-04-2011, 11:51 AM,
#8
RE: work disciplinary
Quote:but my line manager told me if i did they would make my life difficult and they would get him to do it
What youve described is harassment. Was anyone else there to witness this?
Put in a harassment claim based on this and against your manager who said it. Its unlikely they would then ask him to hold any appeal ...

By law they have to invsetigate your harassment claim
Get onto your union, they should have advised you about this already unless they are stupid.
If they give further harassment .....
Take the bastards to an industrial tribunal
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
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08-04-2011, 12:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-04-2011, 12:39 PM by rsol.)
#9
RE: work disciplinary
i would agree with swordfish here. if they are going to make your life difficult and then say its not personal... how personal can you get?? you would need a witness or get him under oath. both difficult however.
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08-04-2011, 03:42 PM,
#10
RE: work disciplinary
(08-04-2011, 12:39 PM)rsol Wrote: i would agree with swordfish here. if they are going to make your life difficult and then say its not personal... how personal can you get?? you would need a witness or get him under oath. both difficult however.

i should have said, my line manager was actually telling me this as a friend,(but then he got where he is somehow and can be a twat)not as my manager. so a bit harder to prove and i doubt he would go against the top dogs. to be totally honest i don't trust any of them, might sound paranoid, but they change the rules to suit themselves, would i like to take them down, oh yes, but can't do it on my own and not willing to put everything on the line, bills,kids etc to pay. so rock and hard place i'm afraid. i'm gonna write it all down so if i'm off again i have some written evidence to throw at them, times, people etc. the 2 boys who never had a disciplinary would probably go on record to say they never recieved a verbal, so i'd have that aswell. you just could'nt make it up, you have to laugh don't you. if i need anymore advice i'll post again. thank you all so much for your help, very much appreciated.
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08-19-2011, 10:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2011, 10:45 PM by sekular.)
#11
RE: work disciplinary
My work has similar sick policies.

Within the first six months of employment you do not get any sick leave, it will get deducted from your salary. after 1 year you get 1 week of sick leave. Any over that amount of time and you have to take holiday or deduct from your salary.
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09-24-2011, 09:20 PM,
#12
RE: work disciplinary
(08-19-2011, 10:44 PM)sekular Wrote: My work has similar sick policies.

Within the first six months of employment you do not get any sick leave, it will get deducted from your salary. after 1 year you get 1 week of sick leave. Any over that amount of time and you have to take holiday or deduct from your salary.

i've been with the company 12 years, so i get 95% of my pay when sick, i took the verbal, but have been refered back to the hospital, so possily could be off again. which would then mean another disciplinary,but this time i have proof that they do not treat everyone the same, one boy who was'nt given a verbal for the same thing. so if the face fits. mine oviously does'nt, but who gives a f$£%*, i'm afraid if i'm in hospital, there really is'nt much i can do about it, and they will just have to like it. i've started keeping notes and pictures of the date and times of victimisation and pics of the health and safety breaches they are culpable of, so watching my back. thanks for all the help, life goes on and i don't let it bother me a smile and a crisp comment is always a good retaliation.Icon_biggrin
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09-24-2011, 11:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-24-2011, 11:56 PM by IanPotter.)
#13
RE: work disciplinary
Sounds like you've decided to play along to get along. On balance, you may be right. However, here's a few things to consider if you change your mind or if things turn nasty:

Do you have a copy of your employment contract? There should be one by law, but that doesn't mean there is. Probably better for you if there is, so see if you can get it.

Also, ask for a copy of the company sickness policy. I'm fairly certain they don't HAVE to have one, but if asking prompts them to create one you might be able to use it against them.

Finally, make sure you've documented EVERYTHING that has happened up to now with dates and times where possible.

You've avoided using the word union, so I guess you're not in one. However, that doesn't stop you joining one, nor do it stop them representing you. Any thoughts on that?

Either way, all the best - and stay well!
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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10-07-2011, 09:41 AM,
#14
RE: work disciplinary
thanks for the help IanPotter, yes i am in the union, might be me but i was'nt very impressed with them, being told they can't talk in the meeting seemed a bit of a cop out on their part, whats the point in possibly incriminating yourself then being told after that you should'nt have said it, seems a bit weak to me. no not playing along at all, just waiting til the next time, if your sick your sick, just going to be more of a bastard as they are. not aggresive just clever.
it's not just me thats being put in this position, the pile and yes a pile of at least 70 disciplinary forms were there,yes i saw them, the personnel manager seemed very proud to point it out, not very nice that is it. one boy is an epileptic, he had his re-evalued as he was of, the union said they could'nt do that due to the equality law, the personnel manager said the law does not matter onlt the company rules. nice people eh. all fun nd games in love and war.
take care people.
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