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No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
07-07-2011, 10:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-07-2011, 10:01 PM by SiLVa.)
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RE: No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
It really seems to me like Charlie didnt really immerse himself in all the minute details of the 9-11 plot whether its the official line or the conspiracy theories. He seems to have latched onto the "truth" movement more so because of its anti-authoritarian stances and willingness to question the official line of anything.
I cant really believe he saw any real evidence to the contrary in this road trip of his either. What evidence could they possibly have "told" him? And for him to change his mind enough to put it out there? I can only see that as real and genuine if he really didnt know enough to start with. Sharing an emotional interaction with someone you dont even know can be a powerful sobering experience, but it doesnt mean what they say is any more real than what really happened.
Why else would he do that? Mind control? come on...people saying that shit need to get their heads examined.
Mind control is not that simple, not that quick.
Either way, Im not mad at him. He has all the right to say what he wants and think what he wants, just as I have all the right to think his new opinion is completely wrong. Only he will be the one that has to deal with the repercussions because he is the one to put himself out there like that.
I like what he's done for the most part, so I look forward to hearing from him again regardless of his stance on 9-11.
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07-08-2011, 02:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-08-2011, 02:12 PM by Nexus23.)
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RE: No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
It's refreshing to see these well-reasoned opinions about the Charlie Veitch situation here. I agree with the general sentiment of most of you. I don't agree with his change of view, I think he has been caught up in emotional turmoil after talking to people who had friends/family involved in 9/11. It's understandable, especially from someone who seems to base their life around 'love' and human compassion, as his videos and work would seem to suggest.

I don't agree with him, but my god I respect his right to change his mind and say whatever the hell he likes. I also massively respect him for having the guts to go public with this change of perspective, in full knowledge of the backlash that would inevitably ensue.

He may be wrong, but changing one's opinions in the face of new data is the very essence of truth-seeking. (Something which so many people who call themselves 'truth seekers' totally fail to understand).

I have been sickened by the hateful, spiteful and totally illogical sentiments that he's been attacked with over this. In many ways, I find it the most interesting aspect of the entire scenario. One guy changing his mind about something doesn't make a whole lot of difference to anything, but the way what he has done has highlighted the vicious and deluded (and yes, even 'cult like') mentality of the majority in the 'truth movement' is very interesting.

These people wouldn't know freedom if it bit them on the ass. Most of them are authoritarian personalities who fancy themselves as as freedom-fighters, who have formed into herd-like packs of witch-hunters to kill the heretic!

I don't trust people who fling insults and death threats against others simply for holding an OPINION. I don't trust people who jump to absurd conclusions about MK-ULTRA mind-control, disinfo agents or Illuminati 'threats' with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to back it up. And I certainly would never trust such people to start a revolution, let alone form any kind of coherent form of free society afterwards should they succeed!
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07-08-2011, 04:28 PM,
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RE: No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
R.R Wrote:Changing your mind is fine but as a public figure, you have a responsibilty to ensure you have invested adequate time in your new position.

Unless, as many have pointed out, you never really invested time into what you took on as truth before the change in mind of course Wink

I think many people who profess that they think that the Sept. 11th 2011 attacks were an inside job would have great difficulty in such a situation, because let's admit it, how many in the "truth movement" have actually looked at much, of any first hand evidence? And to then be thrown into a situation where you are hearing first hand testimony, well, it can;t be that straightforward I am sure.

Funny thing is, I'd never heard Charlie speak about who was responsible for Sept. 11th before all this, but only that he'd mentioned how the event had been used by the system as a fear indoctrination tool, something which I am sure he hasn't changed his mind about.
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07-08-2011, 09:17 PM,
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RE: No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
It's only natural that meeting people eye to eye believing the official story has a bigger impact on one's worldview than watching docus one after another and meeting repeaters saying "911 was an inside job" like robots. But... I find it strange that all of a sudden the big mystery questions like free fall speeds and perfect collapse of WTC7, are questions too complex for our small minds and should be left to the scientists. Reason and the right to reasoning must be the core of true freedom, no?
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07-09-2011, 01:29 AM,
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RE: No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
(07-08-2011, 04:28 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
R.R Wrote:Changing your mind is fine but as a public figure, you have a responsibilty to ensure you have invested adequate time in your new position.

Unless, as many have pointed out, you never really invested time into what you took on as truth before the change in mind of course Wink

Well in that case he isn't credible in any capacity. These things are a bit more serious than simply changing your mind especially if you are doing so based on little investment of time into the issues. If you haven't looked into something, why even have an opinion about it either way?

I don't know much about Veitch and I'm only commenting based on initially my experience with others in similar situations and then as a follow up to his reasoning in his latest video, and this post is more of an argument against the logic of picking a position without investing any time into it.

If it is true he spent little time looking into it in the first place, then what is his reason/motivation for promoting it in any capacity whether half-heartedly or not in the first place? That is doubly stupid because it suggests that his logic is 'here is a popular anti-establishment idea that most are 'believing' in, therefore I'll advocate it too'. And if that is true, he can't really take potshots at 'the truth movement' for being weak-minded. If anyone is weak-minded it is him and faced with the realisation of that fact and the subsequent feelings of anxiety he is merely pushing these traits onto others. He should look in the mirror if he is really trying to grow and instead of saying 'I have a right to change my mind, whats wrong with that', he should say 'I advocated an hypothesis without really looking into it mainly because it was a popular thing to do so, but now I've realised in my own ignorance that I was wrong, I am changing my opinion on the situation'.

Anyway I'm not too bothered because like I said, I don't know much about him. I've seen a couple of videos of him with a megaphone doing an Alex Jones impression but with far emptier slogans. Granted he is charismatic, but that is more reason to have your BS detector on as charismatic people have a great ability to sound good without saying much of merit. They can make you feel a certain way but when you think back it is difficult to remember what actually gave you that feeling or what you gained from the experience. Crowd working is not an admirable skill when you understand crowd psychology (on that note did you check out Jacques Ellul, Dunamis? He breaks all that down expertly in his book Propaganda). Simply put it is the consistent employment of platitudes which to an ignorant crowd (even if somewhat informed, the group mind takes over rendering the various individuals within the crowd back into a state of ignorance mainly to appease others in that crowd) sound brilliant, partially due to mental-blocks that arise from being in unfamiliar and often rowdy environments such as angry mobs. I'm not saying he is knowingly using manipulative methods, I'm simply saying they are natural occurances based on the situation and when you take a step back and reevaluate what is going on you find a very different story.

I do think the backlash is totally unjustified though and Veitch made some very relevant points in his video. He should have called it 'No Emotional Attachment to Charlie Veitch' because for some people to say some of the stuff they have suggests he has hurt them in some way. Again they should also look at themselves rather than cry about it. We are all supposed to be our own champion and one good benefit of that is when stuff like this happes it doesn't throw you off course and have you second guessing yourself primarily out of some inherent weakness or character flaw which people don't want to address.

That is what 'waking up' is supposed to be about; strength of mind.
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07-29-2011, 11:19 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-29-2011, 11:29 AM by crystal.)
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11-15-2011, 12:12 PM,
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RE: No Emotional Attachment to 9/11 Theories - The Truth is Most Important (CVeitch)
For the record..





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