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ConCen money bum!
06-30-2011, 10:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-30-2011, 10:27 AM by shortwave.)
#61
RE: ConCen money bum!
I didn't contribute one thin dime, and won't either for various reasons and disagreements that I have stated in the past here and the other site (which I refuse to have anything to do with). If that comment and conviction gets me banned... so be it. I can find information and radio broadcasts on my own, and have done so for 18 years. Otherwise I will contribute material and subsequent bandwidth to this tracker, when and if I think it is important ...and if I have time....which is still more than the rest will ever do ...
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06-30-2011, 10:37 AM,
#62
RE: ConCen money bum!

So it only takes 150 members sending a buck each month to keep the place running. That's not hard to do LOL.

@yeti, any updates on your workstation? Do you have an eye on a new one? What is the minimum required in terms of CPU, RAM, price etc.

Have members started to send donation with the mention "for repairs" as Inheritor suggested?

I'm thinking about donating a little something for repairs and or replacement but I'm kind of curious about what it is you need.


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06-30-2011, 12:26 PM,
#63
RE: ConCen money bum!
Quote:The donors ensured another 3 months. I will admin until then.

I'm sure more will come within the next week by snail mail from various places around the world. Please consider keeping it up as system admin!
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06-30-2011, 01:22 PM,
#64
RE: ConCen money bum!
I remember a time when concen switched servers from the old ctrl-alt-delete site and I almost had withdrawal symptoms when it was down for a couple days... I'm much better now, but would hate to see this site go.

I would donate, but I just had a child and I fund my family by playing drums... meaning I'm fucking broke.

Once I get a little chunk, though, I'll send a nip to help out.
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06-30-2011, 04:27 PM,
#65
RE: ConCen money bum!
(06-30-2011, 10:18 AM)shortwave Wrote: I didn't contribute one thin dime, and won't either for various reasons and disagreements that I have stated in the past here and the other site (which I refuse to have anything to do with). If that comment and conviction gets me banned... so be it.

People don't get banned for disagreeing with the management. They only get banned for spamming, trolling, and being assholes.

(06-30-2011, 10:18 AM)shortwave Wrote: I can find information and radio broadcasts on my own, and have done so for 18 years. Otherwise I will contribute material and subsequent bandwidth to this tracker, when and if I think it is important ...and if I have time....which is still more than the rest will ever do ...

Your ratio and torrent uploads definitely put you in the 1%. On behalf of the other members here, I will say that you would be missed if you left.
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06-30-2011, 04:30 PM,
#66
RE: ConCen money bum!
(06-30-2011, 10:37 AM)zapoper Wrote: Have members started to send donation with the mention "for repairs" as Inheritor suggested?

No.

(06-30-2011, 10:37 AM)zapoper Wrote: I'm thinking about donating a little something for repairs and or replacement but I'm kind of curious about what it is you need.

Thank you for the offer, but I've pretty much given up on the idea.
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06-30-2011, 06:55 PM,
#67
RE: ConCen money bum!
(06-30-2011, 04:27 PM)yeti Wrote:
(06-30-2011, 10:18 AM)shortwave Wrote: I can find information and radio broadcasts on my own, and have done so for 18 years. Otherwise I will contribute material and subsequent bandwidth to this tracker, when and if I think it is important ...and if I have time....which is still more than the rest will ever do ...

Your ratio and torrent uploads definitely put you in the 1%. On behalf of the other members here, I will say that you would be missed if you left.

I second that. Thanks a LOT for the diligent uploads shortwave. I truly appreciate the efforts past, present and future(?).
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06-30-2011, 11:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-01-2011, 12:26 AM by notaguru.)
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RE: ConCen money bum!
Why don't you do what many private trackers do and allow people to download a certain amount ratio free but from then on they need to keep a certain ratio without getting banned. And then for those who don't have patience or bandwidth let them get bonus upload based on the amount they donate.

This formula seems to work for all of the biggest trackers.
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07-01-2011, 01:18 AM,
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RE: ConCen money bum!
(06-30-2011, 11:19 PM)notaguru Wrote: Why don't you do what many private trackers do and allow people to download a certain amount ratio free but from then on they need to keep a certain ratio without getting banned. And then for those who don't have patience or bandwidth let them get bonus upload based on the amount they donate.

This formula seems to work for all of the biggest trackers.

Sadly because it's not in the spirit of concen. We do not enforce ratio because it is about getting the info out ultimately. That doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when people just take, but it shouldn't change whether we are "giving" or not. Does that make sense?

Plus, you may have noticed, the ConCen Tracker is quite different to "all of the biggest trackers". You won't find Saw 25 here Wink
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07-01-2011, 03:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-01-2011, 03:46 PM by notaguru.)
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(07-01-2011, 01:18 AM)Dunamis Wrote: Plus, you may have noticed, the ConCen Tracker is quite different to "all of the biggest trackers". You won't find Saw 25 here Wink

I should have been more specific and said "biggest PRIVATE trackers."

I belong to many private trackers that do not have movies or music and are focused on very specific topics. I won't mention any names for obvious reasons.

These trackers I refer to use the model I mentioned and not only is the material referenced in the trackers highly focused and unique but also abundant.

The model these trackers use (in my opinion) does not violate the idea of "giving freely." Rather it encourages participation and offers a choice of how that participation can take place - either through ratio built by sharing bandwidth or ratio built by donations. There are lots of folks that have no money to share but are more than willing to contribute bandwidth and ratio. Others may not have the bandwidth to spare but can donate money to keep the tracker up and running.

Putting people on warning lists and locking their ability to download torrents keeps people honest and makes sure that people participate.

You can still come in and grab some torrents and bail but you may never be able to sign up again.

These trackers I refer to are all vibrant, full communities with waiting lists. There is no shortage of participants. There are continual improvements in tracker programming functionality and there is little to no hassle in a legal sense (from what I can tell).
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07-01-2011, 04:35 PM,
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RE: ConCen money bum!
Name the trackers then. Demonoid does that, (Putting people on warning lists and locking their ability to download torrents keeps people honest and makes sure that people participate.You can still come in and grab some torrents and bail but you may never be able to sign up again.), but I wouldn't call them a vibrant full community and they also have advertising. Some people have isp's which throttle torrents and they can't accomplish a one to one upload ratio. As we are all about spreading information as far and wide as possible it would be counter productive to require everyone to maintain a one to one or better upload ratio, IMO.
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07-01-2011, 11:55 PM,
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RE: ConCen money bum!
Demonoid does not do that.... Ratio @ Demonoid means nothing (although I just recently learned this)- There are huge threads over at Demonoid forums about this which I had never bothered with until the other month my ratio wasnt being credited with uploading ,only downloading. It appears tons of people were experiencing this bug and the official response was "dont worry, have a beer, ratio doesnt matter here"- Seriously.

But I am also involved with small sites with thriving communities who enforce ratio quite sternly my anonymous and tracker access are two)
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07-02-2011, 10:27 AM,
#73
RE: ConCen money bum!
Yeti makes a good point on ratios why ban someone if they are throttled, why ban anyone for any reason. That said, the vampirism is evident. and that said it's an interesting study on the socialist model.
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07-02-2011, 03:41 PM,
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RE: ConCen money bum!
First, let me say that I am merely offering suggestions. I don't think operating a tracker with requirements AND giving away information freely are mutually exclusive. In fact, as you are finding with your money issues - it's really a requirement to lay down some rules in order to be effective and not have to beg for funding (or place ads).

Second, I do not consider Demonoid a private tracker. If you can see the torrents in the tracker without logging in, then well... it just ain't private is it?

Third, Demonoid is a tracker that covers everything - music, videos, and pretty much anything else people want to put there. Most private trackers ARE NOT like that. They are very focused on a small interest area (like Concen). Some examples would be marketing and business torrent sites which cater to people in Internet Marketing and sales, seduction torrent sites which cater to men who want to pick up women and computer hacker torrent sites which cater to... you get the point.

As I said before I will not be naming any trackers here. I'm sure you can look around and get an invite if you care to investigate how others are doing this successfully.

Most of the trackers I speak of have "group buys," exclusives and most of the good torrents can only be downloaded after you reach a certain level of upload. It makes it fair for everyone (and safer I might add) and encourages more uploads and material you won't see anywhere (because public trackers get non-stop take down notices).

You also mention throttling. Again the way most private trackers are set up are 1. If you have bandwidth to donate then you use bandwidth. 2. If you don't have bandwidth you can make a donation to the tracker to receive upload credits. Really simple.

Back to my first point... these are suggestions. I'm not here to argue or tell you how you should run your tracker. I have seen how other PRIVATE trackers work for years and I'm giving you suggestions based on their success. In response you have told me, in essence... 1. You don't believe it because you haven't seen anything like what I'm talking about. 2. You want to get information out to as many people as possible and you think that goal is mutually exclusive with the goal of organizing your tracker with rules and expectations of the users.

I think your wrong on both counts but again I'm not here to argue so if you're not interested or open to the possibility that I might be telling you something that is proven to work - I will merely go back where I came from and won't appear again.


Here's the beginning of a ratio requirement page from one private tracker...

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A fair ratio to keep is 1.0 - meaning that you have uploaded as much as you have downloaded. Low ratios will result in severe consequences, including banning in extreme cases.

Upon joining the site, you can download up to 2.5GB and have any ratio with no consequences. The longer you are a member of the site and the more you have downloaded, the higher the ratio we expect you to have. The minimum ratios are as follows:

Level Min Ratio Downloaded Duration
1 0.1 2.5 GB 28 days
2 0.2 5 GB 28 days
3 0.3 10 GB 28 days
4 0.4 15 GB 28 days
5 0.5 20 GB 28 days
6 0.6 25 GB 28 days
7 0.7 30 GB 28 days
8 0.8 35 GB 28 days


If you go below the minimum ratio requirements for any of these levels, you will have 28 days to fix the ratio, before you get automatically disabled by the system. If you go up a level from the time you entered you will loose your download privileges and move up a level (and thus you will need to maintain the next levels ratio in order to get out of ratio watch). If you go up 2 levels from the time you enter Ratio Watch (ie: a further 5gb download even after you lost your download permissions) you will get auto-disabled (this applies up to and including insertion from level 4.. that means if you enter at level 5 this rule will not apply to you).

Explanation of the Table:

If you have less than 2.5GB downloaded, you are NOT required to have a minimum ratio. The instant your download total exceeds 2.5GB, you become bound to the rules of this table!


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Of course some torrents cannot be downloaded at all until you reach an upload of a certain amount and you've been on the tracker a certain amount of time - which encourages those in a rush to donate or upload and the time requirement prevents snoopers.

You wrote:

(07-01-2011, 04:35 PM)icosaface Wrote: Name the trackers then. Demonoid does that, (Putting people on warning lists and locking their ability to download torrents keeps people honest and makes sure that people participate.You can still come in and grab some torrents and bail but you may never be able to sign up again.), but I wouldn't call them a vibrant full community and they also have advertising. Some people have isp's which throttle torrents and they can't accomplish a one to one upload ratio. As we are all about spreading information as far and wide as possible it would be counter productive to require everyone to maintain a one to one or better upload ratio, IMO.

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07-21-2011, 10:13 PM,
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