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The Anti-Israeli Conspiracy
07-21-2011, 06:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 06:20 PM by Bull Medicine.)
#91
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
@OTO you seem perplexed that there are shops and an open air market within the Gaza strip. Obviously it is impossible to subjugate a people if they have shops and a market. I see your logic.

edit) In the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead (referring to bullet shells, I assume) there was a plethora of photographic images of dead Palestinian children with bullet holes through their heads - are you suggesting to me that I was duped by anti-Israeli propaganda in thinking that IDF snipers shooting children through the head was/is a war crime and atrocity?

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07-21-2011, 06:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 06:36 PM by OTO.)
#92
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
(07-21-2011, 06:08 PM)Bull Medicine Wrote: @OTO you seem perplexed that there are shops and an open air market within the Gaza strip. Obviously it is impossible to subjugate a people if they have shops and a market. I see your logic.

edit) In the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead (referring to bullet shells, I assume) there was a plethora of photographic images of dead Palestinian children with bullet holes through their heads - are you suggesting to me that I was duped by anti-Israeli propaganda in thinking that IDF snipers shooting children through the head was/is a war crime and atrocity?

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Of course when they want us (mainstream media + Gaza) to believe Gaza is a concentration camp and the humanitarian crisis is like Dafur.

This is only meant

as a hint so you can do your own research:

Yes that is the Gaza twilight zone. Hamas brainwash children to think they go to heaven if they blow themselves up and kill Jews. They use all kind of tricks in the propaganda war against Israel to make Israel look like Nazis.

Youtube"pallywood" and see how they do it. "hamas children" is also interesting.

Again this is only a hint so you can do your own research.


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07-21-2011, 06:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 06:35 PM by Bull Medicine.)
#93
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
OTO Wrote:Of course

You are saying in specific response to my question that, yes, I was indeed duped by anti-Israeli propaganda by the feelings invoked in me when I saw those photographs of the clinically executed children ?

Were the photographs inauthentic? Do you know the photos I speak of? Have you seen them? Shall I post a link for you to do some research into it?

Please, keep in direct reference to the specific subject I am addressing here in your thread where you have invited input to the issue that concerns you.
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(07-21-2011, 06:24 PM)OTO Wrote: Of course when they want us mainstream media + Gaza to believe Gaza is a concentration camp and the humanitarian crisis is like Dafur.

<seeing as your advice is to do "your own research" and you reference Darfur, here is a list from a search engine for you to look into:
Quote:1. TalkBig Grinarfur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Jump to Darfur Genocide‎: why is there no mention of the genocide in Darfur in this ... 59 years by theses Zionist fake Jews(not even Semites let alone ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ADarfur

2. SAVE DARFUR: ZIONIST CONSPIRACY? | World War 4 Report

"Exploiting African Genocide for Propaganda by Ned Goldstein, WW4 REPORT The ... SAVE DARFUR: ZIONIST CONSPIRACY? Exploiting African Genocide for Propaganda ..."
http://www.ww4report.com/node/2582

3. PROTOCOLS OF ZION APPLIED TO SUDAN! (Controlling Sudan?) [Archive ...

"53 posts - 12 authors - Last post: 26 Sep 2010Western media coverage of the Darfur crisis has been both ..... We don't need Zionist backed construction of fake 'shanty towns' at ..."
http://www.sudanforum.net/archive/index.php/t-51799.html

4. The Darfur crisis : blood, hunger and oil - Investig'Action ...

"What are the origins of the Darfur crisis ? The American actor Georges Clooney is a ... in the 19th century didn't have put fake borders in this area. .... What you also have to know is that the Zionist American associations which took ..."
http://www.michelcollon.info/The-Darfur-crisis-blood-hunger-and.html

5. About the Israeli presence in Darfur - Sudan Vision

"The Darfur crisis had gained all forms of international attention both ... from policies adopted by Zionist organizations that were present in Darfur. .... this fake publicity campaign, which aims at disuniting and fragmenting Sudan. ..."
http://www.sudanvisiondaily.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7407

6. YouTube - Save Darfur!‏

"19 Jun 2009 – Save Darfur is a FAKE !!!Mossad sending terrorists from ChAD how kills and are paid by zionist american israeli money . ... Added to queue The Darfur Genocide: A Present Realityby jesusfreak864189026 views · Thumbnail ..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SOY75Ga44A

7. Tel Aviv's Command To Attack Libya (BrN On Video!) | Real Zionist News

"19 Mar 2011 – Dear Real Zionist News Family -. The JEWS are OUT for blood. .... to your Zionist masters and stood firmly on the side of fake democracy, tyranny, ...... and Tel Aviv [Israel], for example, is behind the Darfur crisis? ..."
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=619

8. redrave: Zionism: A road map to Hell

"31 May 2011 – Has it occurred to the Zionist that the modern conflict between the Jew and the Arab in historic Palestine/Erez Yisrael has a material basis ..."
redrave.blogspot.com/2011/05/zionism-road-map-to-unending-conflict.html

9. NewsRescue! » 'Israeli Role In the Darfur Incidents'- Sudan Vision ...

"7 May 2010 – 'Israeli Role In the Darfur Incidents'- Sudan Vision Daily ... at a settlement to the aggravating Darfur crisis and the roles that ... which western Zionist organizations poured on the Sudanese government. ... The Sudan rebels had now gathered around the fake Jewish Messiah calling for Salvation. ..."
http://www.newsrescue.com/2009/10/israeli-role-in-the-darfur-incidents-sudan-vision-daily/

10. A brutal civil war, but not genocide | Comment is free | guardian ...

"18 Sep 2006 – Darfur is not Rwanda. Only the US accepted the genocide .... A media/NGO symbiosis foisted a fake genocide on us, and NATO grabbed the justification for war. .... to genocide in Darfur also has pro-Zionist motivations. ..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/sep/18/sorrygeorgeclooneybutthel

11. The Massalit Peoples in Darfur, Sudan dare to question Islam ...

"... because they have become one of the ethnic groups involved in the Darfur crisis. ... Also, the great israel a Holy Land, just to be for the zionism ... cross Our True Faith " Islam ", thereby the more other fake cults steps ahead. ..."
http://www.30-days.net/muslims/muslims-in/north-african/sudan-massalit-in-darfur/

12. The Institute on Religion and Public Policy | Robert Lindsay

"24 Jun 2011 – Griebowski himself is some sort of a hardline Zionist. ... to wage fake human rights war on you in service of International Zionism or US imperialism. ... Imperialism doesn't care about S Sudan or Darfur, but Zionism does. ..... First Chechen War (4); Iraq War (31); Israel-Palestine Conflict (43) ..."
robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/the-institute-on-religion-and-public-policy/

13. Ten Reasons Why "Save Darfur" is a PR Scam to Justify the Next US ...

"27 Nov 2007 – Whether it's fake news stories about wonder drugs and how toxic chemicals are good ... Arab genocide in Darfur, and the proposed solution: a robust US-backed or .... Now, of course, the Zionists are active there as well. ..."
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/ten-reasons-why-save-darfur-pr-scam-justify-next-us-oil-and-resource-wars-africa

14. Bin Laden's Latest Rant: The Darfur Genocide as Holy War

"26 Apr 2006 – Bin Laden's Latest Rant: The Darfur Genocide as Holy War ... He condemns his Zionist-Crusader enemies (that usually means Israel and the ... If the tape is authentic -- and that is a big if -- the call for an anti-U.N. ..."
http://www.strategypage.com/on_point/2006426.aspx

15. China's Shameful Role in Darfur Genocide - - Michael Danby MHR

"13 Mar 2007 – China's Shameful Role in Darfur Genocide. by Michael Danby MHR ... The groups under attack in Darfur – mainly the Fur, Zaghawa, and Massaleit .... Speech by Paul Howes to Zionist Federation of Australia: Standing up ... candidate for Melbourne Ports to disassociate himself from fake Danby website. ..."
http://www.danbymp.com/index.php?article=124

16. Sudan Watch: Sudanese Presidential Advisor, Mustafa Osman Ismail ...

"29 Sep 2009 – Sudanese Presidential Advisor, Mustafa Osman Ismail, says there are Zionist trends behind aggravation of Darfur crisis ..."
sudanwatch.blogspot.com/2009/09/sudanese-presidential-advisor-mustafa.html

17. Mamdani is persuasive in Darfur debate, Prendergast waffles

"15 Apr 2009 – "genocide" in Darfur.) He said the Save Darfur movement only advocates .... It creates a fake moral high ground with its own Hitler analogies and worthy ... Save Darfur is an astroturf Zionist movement, just like Kosovo. ..."
mondoweiss.net/2009/04/mamdani-is-persuasive-in-darfur-debate-prendergast-waffles.html

18. Anti-Zionism: Where does the stench come from?- Zionism-Israel Web Log

"News agencies fake photos of Israeli "atrocities. ... Saddam Hussein committed genocide, killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. ... In Darfur, over 400000 people have died, but the UN is only beginning to deal with the problem. ..."
http://www.zionism-israel.com/log/archives/00000231.html

19. Bin Laden Expects Long Conflict

"Bin Laden expects long conflict. The al-Qaida leader wants his followers to prepare for ... blaming what he called "a Crusader-Zionist war" for a long list of attacks on Islam in places from Darfur to Denmark. ... White House spokesman Scott McClellan said U.S. intelligence officials believe the tape is authentic. ..."
jonesreport.com/articles/240406_bin_laden_long_conflict.html

20. The Hypocrisy of NCP Supporters on Darfur By Dr. Mahmoud A. Suleiman

"27 Oct 2009 – ... in Darfur just doesn't exist and it is for them a Zionist conspiracy and propaganda . ... In their curtain of silence on the Darfur crisis, ...... Fake Modern Religions Are Fighting Faith by Tarig M. M. K. Anter ..."
http://www.sudaneseonline.com/en2/publish/Articles_and_Analysies_12/The_Hypocrisy_of_NCP_Supporters_on_Darfur_By_Dr_Mahmoud_A_Suleiman.shtml

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07-21-2011, 07:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 07:21 PM by OTO.)
#94
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
I can only give you a direction so you can do your own research.

You have to understand the mindset of the "Palestinians" to understand the conflict. Hamas is a terror organization and they are brainwashed to believe they go to paradise if they blow them self up and kill Jews. For them Shahada(martyr death) is better than life.

"11-year-old Palestinians: Martyrdom better than this world"




They want Shahada(martyr death more than peace)
and they do everything they can to make the illusion Israel is a Nazi state and they use Extreme victim role to get the international community against Israel. They bomb their own schools to blame it on Israel etc.

When you understand their mindset you will see the conflict allot more clearly.

Why would Israel give Gaza 10,000 MT humanitarian aid every week if they behave like Nazis?
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Do you really think I would go from thinking Israel is an evil state to defend Israel if they did all these crimes?
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07-21-2011, 07:27 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 07:36 PM by rsol.)
#95
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
im interested to see that video of those children in its full context, not just an edited cutting.






this is directly from the Israeli defence forces you tube channel. so you are now taking the official line on this now? wow oto just wow.

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07-21-2011, 07:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 07:44 PM by OTO.)
#96
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
(07-21-2011, 07:27 PM)rsol Wrote: im interested to see that video of those children in its full context, not just an edited cutting.






this is directly from the Israeli defence forces you tube channel. so you are now taking the official line on this now? wow oto just wow.

I have researched it my self, talked with both sides. I have a pretty good BS detector. I woke up to 9/11, 10 years ago and no one gave me a 9/11 movie. I had to find it my self.

If you do your own research and look at this from both sides you will discover that one of the sides are lying all the time.

I also defend Muslims under the Cartoon attack that happened in Denmark. I even defend Iran and Gaddafi. I only want the truth.
Check this out:




It is not all Muslims that have this Nazi mindset. It is only extreme groups like Hamas, Hezbollah etc. I know many Muslims and most of them are very kind and good people.
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07-21-2011, 07:44 PM,
#97
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
(07-21-2011, 07:40 PM)OTO Wrote:
(07-21-2011, 07:27 PM)rsol Wrote: im interested to see that video of those children in its full context, not just an edited cutting.






this is directly from the Israeli defence forces you tube channel. so you are now taking the official line on this now? wow oto just wow.

I have researched it my self, talked with both sides. I have a pretty good BS detector. I woke up to 9/11, 10 years ago and no one gave me a 9/11 movie. I had to find it my self.

If you do your own research and look at this from both sides you will discover that one of the sides are lying all the time.

I also defend Muslims under the Cartoon attack that happened in Denmark. I even defend Iran and Gaddafi. I only want the truth.
Check this out:



If you woke up to 9-11 10years ago than you would good and well know that it was an Israeli/MOSSAD/CIA job.

Israel did 9/11, all the proof in the world!
http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/geeklog/staticpages/index.php?page=911
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07-21-2011, 07:52 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 08:14 PM by OTO.)
#98
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
I have not seen evidence of Israel was behind 9/11.

This kind of proof is with all due respect a bit too speculative:

QUESTION: Who could possibly remote control planes into the towers?

Dov Zakheim
[Image: dov-zakheim.jpg]
ANSWER: Dov Zakheim

I have not seen any proof the planes where remote controlled.

QUESTION: But how could Israel disable NORAD and disrupt American air defenses?

[Image: ptech.jpg]
ANSWER: Ptech Software systems – computer control backdoor

The computerized national-security systems that should have automatically scrambled jets in the event of a national emergency like 9/11 were running on Ptech software.

Michael S. Goff, Ptech’s Jewish marketing manager, also worked for Israeli database company Guardium (whose director is Israeli Jew Amit Yoran). Guardium has all the characteristics of a Mossad front company.

…and the MITRE corporation (computer software)

MITRE is a major defense contracting organization headed by former Director of Central Intelligence -- and Jew -- James Schlesinger.

Ptech and the MITRE corporation shared and office in the basement of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) during the two years prior to 9/11, where they worked on “inter-operability issues” between the FAA, NORAD and the US Air Force.

Ptech and the MITRE software was installed on the computer systems of most U.S. government agencies, including the armed forces.

I have seen proof Cheney ordered NORAD to stand down so this speculation about a backdoor does not make sense.



9/11 was an inside job.
How they exactly did carry it out, is still a mystery and I don't mind there are many unanswered questions. The questions will be answered sooner or later.

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07-21-2011, 08:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 08:16 PM by rsol.)
#99
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
ahh so are you saying now that the 911 inside job is Israel? or not? are they being stitched up here? exactly where do you think it starts?

OTO ive known you for a long time. can i just say that you are swinging like a pendulum at present. try not to swing back too far at try to get some perspective of both sides of this situation. you seem to think you were initally wrong about your assumptions, now you are totally convinced you are right NOW. I can see a pattern...

Id like you to try and source where and when those pictures of the gaza market were taken and more importantly, by who. perhaps its not just Israeli propaganda but american?

for some reason i feel the Israeli defence force has a touch of bias in their production. perhaps its all the mainstream brainwashing i've had over the years. i mean why would the military lie?

btw if i was going to use "human shields" and "pick the battle ground" I would think to maybe do it on Israeli soil. as far as i know those israeli soldiers are in gaza. who picked the battle ground?
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07-21-2011, 08:16 PM,
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
(07-21-2011, 07:52 PM)OTO Wrote: I have not seen evidence of Israel was behind 9/11.

This kind of proof is with all due respect a bit too speculative:

QUESTION: Who could possibly remote control planes into the towers?

Dov Zakheim
[Image: dov-zakheim.jpg]
ANSWER: Dov Zakheim

I have not seen any proof the planes where remote controlled.

QUESTION: But how could Israel disable NORAD and disrupt American air defenses?

[Image: ptech.jpg]
ANSWER: Ptech Software systems – computer control backdoor

The computerized national-security systems that should have automatically scrambled jets in the event of a national emergency like 9/11 were running on Ptech software.

Michael S. Goff, Ptech’s Jewish marketing manager, also worked for Israeli database company Guardium (whose director is Israeli Jew Amit Yoran). Guardium has all the characteristics of a Mossad front company.

…and the MITRE corporation (computer software)

MITRE is a major defense contracting organization headed by former Director of Central Intelligence -- and Jew -- James Schlesinger.

Ptech and the MITRE corporation shared and office in the basement of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) during the two years prior to 9/11, where they worked on “inter-operability issues” between the FAA, NORAD and the US Air Force.

Ptech and the MITRE software was installed on the computer systems of most U.S. government agencies, including the armed forces.

I have seen proof Cheney ordered NORAD to stand down.

9/11 was an inside job.
How they exactly did carry it out, is still a mystery and I don't mind there are many unanswered questions. The questions will be answered sooner or later.




You might want to watch this video, if you dare.
This man's credentials are pretty impressive, and he's of Jewish descent, so you can't call him anticementic. He lays out plenty of evidence.




"The gift of speech, as we know, is not often accompanied by the gift of thought" - Somerset Maugham
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07-21-2011, 08:18 PM,
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
I don't see the rationale behind de-crying "anti Israeli propaganda" whilst simultaneously parading out video after agenda driven biased video attempting to dehumanise Palestinians and designate them as greedy religious fanatics one and all.

Not only is your methodology deeply suspect but so is your apparent inability to hold a balanced perspective.

"the media demonises Israel!! Here look at these videos showing how violent and uncivilised the palestinians all are!"

Simply put - your starkly polemic pro Israeli/anti Palestinian stance without ANY political understanding of nuance and your tacit avoidance of direct questions dictates that your latest thread on this subject in once again no more than yet more simplistic BS.

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07-21-2011, 08:54 PM,
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
(07-21-2011, 07:52 PM)OTO Wrote: I have not seen evidence of Israel was behind 9/11.

This kind of proof is with all due respect a bit too speculative:

QUESTION: Who could possibly remote control planes into the towers?

Dov Zakheim
[Image: dov-zakheim.jpg]
ANSWER: Dov Zakheim

I have not seen any proof the planes where remote controlled.

QUESTION: But how could Israel disable NORAD and disrupt American air defenses?

[Image: ptech.jpg]
ANSWER: Ptech Software systems – computer control backdoor

The computerized national-security systems that should have automatically scrambled jets in the event of a national emergency like 9/11 were running on Ptech software.

Michael S. Goff, Ptech’s Jewish marketing manager, also worked for Israeli database company Guardium (whose director is Israeli Jew Amit Yoran). Guardium has all the characteristics of a Mossad front company.

…and the MITRE corporation (computer software)

MITRE is a major defense contracting organization headed by former Director of Central Intelligence -- and Jew -- James Schlesinger.

Ptech and the MITRE corporation shared and office in the basement of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) during the two years prior to 9/11, where they worked on “inter-operability issues” between the FAA, NORAD and the US Air Force.

Ptech and the MITRE software was installed on the computer systems of most U.S. government agencies, including the armed forces.

I have seen proof Cheney ordered NORAD to stand down so this speculation about a backdoor does not make sense.



9/11 was an inside job.
How they exactly did carry it out, is still a mystery and I don't mind there are many unanswered questions. The questions will be answered sooner or later.

I have to wonder if you are really here to waste people's time. You really aren't that ignorant are you? Did you even read the document? the dancing Israeli's who were there to document the event means nothing to you?

Wow this is getting ridiculous.

Let me ask you, are elite Jews involved in the New World Order?
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07-21-2011, 08:55 PM,
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
I saw the youtube you gave me and I think he is right about some of the facts, but he makes a speculative linking to explain 9/11.

Israel knew 9/11 would happen!
Jeb Bush declared martial law in Florida four days before the 9/11 attacks.

"Many warnings specifically mentioned a threat coming from the air.

In 1999, British intelligence gave a secret report to the US embassy. The report stated that al-Qaeda had plans to use “commercial aircraft” in “unconventional ways,”“possibly as flying bombs.” [Sunday Times, 6/9/02] On July 16, 2001, British intelligence passed a message to the US that al-Qaeda was in “the final stages” of preparing a terrorist attack in Western countries. [London Times, 6/14/02] In early August, the British gave another warning, telling the US to expect multiple airline hijackings from al-Qaeda. This warning was included in Bush’s briefing on August 6, 2001. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]
In June 2001, German intelligence warned the US, Britain, and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols which stand out.” Within the American intelligence community, “the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” but “there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented.” This warning came from Echelon, a spy satellite network that is partly based in Germany. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01]
In late July 2001, Egyptian intelligence received a report from an undercover agent in Afghanistan that “20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas.” To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn’t sound terribly alarming, but they passed on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. “The request never came.” [CBS, 10/9/02] Given that there were 19 hijackers and four pilots (who trained on Cessnas) in the 9/11 plot, one might think this would now be a big news item. But in fact, the information has only appeared as an aside in a CBS “60 Minutes” show about a different topic.
In late summer 2001, Jordan intelligence intercepted a message stating that a major attack was being planned inside the US and that aircraft would be used. The code name of the operation was Big Wedding, which did in fact turn out to be the codename of the 9/11 plot. The message was passed to US intelligence through several channels. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02]
Russian President Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also stated, “We had clearly warned them” on several occasions, but they “did not pay the necessary attention.” [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] The Russian newspaper Izvestia claimed that Russian intelligence agents knew the participants in the attacks, and: “More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation for these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.” [Izvestia, 9/12/02]
Five days before 9/11, the priest Jean-Marie Benjamin was told by a Muslim at an Italian wedding of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He wasn’t told time or place specifics. He immediately passed what he knew on to a judge and several politicians in Italy. Presumably this Muslim confided in him because Benjamin has done considerable charity work in Muslim countries and is considered “one of the West’s most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world.” [Zenit, 9/16/01] Benjamin has not revealed who told him this information, but it could have come from a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan, Italy. This cell supplied forged documents for other al-Qaeda operations, and wiretaps show members of the cell were aware of the 9/11 plot. [Los Angeles Times, 5/29/02, Guardian, 5/30/02, Boston Globe, 8/4/02] For instance, in August 2000, one terrorist in Milan was recorded saying to another: “I’m studying airplanes. I hope, God willing, that I can bring you a window or a piece of an airplane the next time we see each other.” The comment was followed by laughter [Washington Post, 5/31/02]. In another case in January 2001, a terrorist asked if certain forged documents were for “the brothers going to the United States,” and was angrily rebuked by another who told him not to talk about that “very, very secret” plan. [Los Angeles Times, 5/29/02] In March 2001, the Italian government gave the US a warning based on these wiretaps. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

What Did Israel Know?

But the most remarkable warnings of all come from Israel. The issue of Israeli foreknowledge of 9/11 is highly controversial. The story is too complicated to go into detail here, but a number of respected publications (for instance, Fox News, 12/12/01, Forward, 3/15/02, ABC News, 6/21/02, Salon, 5/7/02, Ha’aretz, 5/14/02, Le Monde, 3/5/02, Reuters, 3/5/02, AP, 3/5/02, AP, 3/9/02, Cox News, 3/5/02, Guardian, 3/6/02, Independent, 3/6/02, New York Post, 3/6/02, Jane’s Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02) have written about an Israeli “art student” spy ring operating in the US for several years before 9/11. The name “art student” is used because most of these scores of spies were posing as college art students. There have been suggestions that some of these Israeli spies lived close to some of the 9/11 hijackers. For instance, a US Drug Enforcement Administration report from before 9/11 noted that Israeli spies were living in the retirement community of Hollywood, Florida at 4220 Sheridan Street, which turned out to be only a few hundred feet from lead hijacker Mohamed Atta’s residence at 3389 Sheridan Street (see the DEA report, 6/01). Israeli spies appear to have been close to at least ten of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers. [Salon, 5/7/02] In fact, Forward, the most widely circulated publication in the US targeting the Jewish audience, has admitted the spy ring existed, and that its purpose was to track Muslim terrorists operating in the US. [Forward, 3/15/02]

Some have claimed that the existence of this spy ring shows that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks, an argument that is beyond the scope of this essay. But if the mainstream media is to be believed, Israel gave the US several specific warnings of the 9/11 attacks. In the second week of August 2001, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, came to Washington and warned the CIA and FBI that 50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists had slipped into the US and were planning an imminent “major assault on the US” aimed at a “large scale target” [Telegraph, 9/16/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01 Fox News, 5/17/02]. Near the end of August, France also gave a warning that was an “echo” of Israel’s. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

In October 2002, the story broke in Europe and Israel that on August 23, 2001, the Mossad had given the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US. The Mossad had said that the terrorists appeared to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the same 19 names as the actual hijackers, or if the number is a coincidence. However, the four names on the list that are known are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02, Ha’aretz, 10/3/02] These are also probably the four most important of the hijackers (and two of the pilots). From them, there were many connections to the others. The CIA had already been monitoring three of them overseas the year before, and two, Alhazmi and Almihdhar, were put on a watch list the same day the Mossad gave this warning. [AFP, 9/22/01, Berliner Zeitung, 9/24/01, Observer, 9/30/01, New York Times, 9/21/02]

Such detailed warnings of exact names fit in well with the reports that Israeli spies were tracking the hijackers for months before 9/11. Yet, as Jane’s Intelligence Digest put it, “It is rather strange that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks…” [Jane’s Intelligence Digest, 3/13/02] The spy ring story did get a little coverage in the US, but more recent stories claiming that Israel knew the exact names of at least some of the hijackers hasn’t been reported here at all. Perhaps the story is too controversial for the US media to touch? "

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07-21-2011, 09:27 PM,
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
(07-21-2011, 08:55 PM)OTO Wrote: I saw the youtube you gave me and I think he is right about some of the facts, but he makes a speculative linking to explain 9/11.

Israel knew 9/11 would happen!
Jeb Bush declared martial law in Florida four days before the 9/11 attacks.

"Many warnings specifically mentioned a threat coming from the air.

In 1999, British intelligence gave a secret report to the US embassy. The report stated that al-Qaeda had plans to use “commercial aircraft” in “unconventional ways,”“possibly as flying bombs.” [Sunday Times, 6/9/02] On July 16, 2001, British intelligence passed a message to the US that al-Qaeda was in “the final stages” of preparing a terrorist attack in Western countries. [London Times, 6/14/02] In early August, the British gave another warning, telling the US to expect multiple airline hijackings from al-Qaeda. This warning was included in Bush’s briefing on August 6, 2001. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]
In June 2001, German intelligence warned the US, Britain, and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols which stand out.” Within the American intelligence community, “the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” but “there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented.” This warning came from Echelon, a spy satellite network that is partly based in Germany. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01]
In late July 2001, Egyptian intelligence received a report from an undercover agent in Afghanistan that “20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas.” To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn’t sound terribly alarming, but they passed on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. “The request never came.” [CBS, 10/9/02] Given that there were 19 hijackers and four pilots (who trained on Cessnas) in the 9/11 plot, one might think this would now be a big news item. But in fact, the information has only appeared as an aside in a CBS “60 Minutes” show about a different topic.
In late summer 2001, Jordan intelligence intercepted a message stating that a major attack was being planned inside the US and that aircraft would be used. The code name of the operation was Big Wedding, which did in fact turn out to be the codename of the 9/11 plot. The message was passed to US intelligence through several channels. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02]
Russian President Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also stated, “We had clearly warned them” on several occasions, but they “did not pay the necessary attention.” [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] The Russian newspaper Izvestia claimed that Russian intelligence agents knew the participants in the attacks, and: “More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation for these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.” [Izvestia, 9/12/02]
Five days before 9/11, the priest Jean-Marie Benjamin was told by a Muslim at an Italian wedding of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He wasn’t told time or place specifics. He immediately passed what he knew on to a judge and several politicians in Italy. Presumably this Muslim confided in him because Benjamin has done considerable charity work in Muslim countries and is considered “one of the West’s most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world.” [Zenit, 9/16/01] Benjamin has not revealed who told him this information, but it could have come from a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan, Italy. This cell supplied forged documents for other al-Qaeda operations, and wiretaps show members of the cell were aware of the 9/11 plot. [Los Angeles Times, 5/29/02, Guardian, 5/30/02, Boston Globe, 8/4/02] For instance, in August 2000, one terrorist in Milan was recorded saying to another: “I’m studying airplanes. I hope, God willing, that I can bring you a window or a piece of an airplane the next time we see each other.” The comment was followed by laughter [Washington Post, 5/31/02]. In another case in January 2001, a terrorist asked if certain forged documents were for “the brothers going to the United States,” and was angrily rebuked by another who told him not to talk about that “very, very secret” plan. [Los Angeles Times, 5/29/02] In March 2001, the Italian government gave the US a warning based on these wiretaps. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

What Did Israel Know?

But the most remarkable warnings of all come from Israel. The issue of Israeli foreknowledge of 9/11 is highly controversial. The story is too complicated to go into detail here, but a number of respected publications (for instance, Fox News, 12/12/01, Forward, 3/15/02, ABC News, 6/21/02, Salon, 5/7/02, Ha’aretz, 5/14/02, Le Monde, 3/5/02, Reuters, 3/5/02, AP, 3/5/02, AP, 3/9/02, Cox News, 3/5/02, Guardian, 3/6/02, Independent, 3/6/02, New York Post, 3/6/02, Jane’s Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02) have written about an Israeli “art student” spy ring operating in the US for several years before 9/11. The name “art student” is used because most of these scores of spies were posing as college art students. There have been suggestions that some of these Israeli spies lived close to some of the 9/11 hijackers. For instance, a US Drug Enforcement Administration report from before 9/11 noted that Israeli spies were living in the retirement community of Hollywood, Florida at 4220 Sheridan Street, which turned out to be only a few hundred feet from lead hijacker Mohamed Atta’s residence at 3389 Sheridan Street (see the DEA report, 6/01). Israeli spies appear to have been close to at least ten of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers. [Salon, 5/7/02] In fact, Forward, the most widely circulated publication in the US targeting the Jewish audience, has admitted the spy ring existed, and that its purpose was to track Muslim terrorists operating in the US. [Forward, 3/15/02]

Some have claimed that the existence of this spy ring shows that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks, an argument that is beyond the scope of this essay. But if the mainstream media is to be believed, Israel gave the US several specific warnings of the 9/11 attacks. In the second week of August 2001, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, came to Washington and warned the CIA and FBI that 50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists had slipped into the US and were planning an imminent “major assault on the US” aimed at a “large scale target” [Telegraph, 9/16/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01 Fox News, 5/17/02]. Near the end of August, France also gave a warning that was an “echo” of Israel’s. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

In October 2002, the story broke in Europe and Israel that on August 23, 2001, the Mossad had given the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US. The Mossad had said that the terrorists appeared to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the same 19 names as the actual hijackers, or if the number is a coincidence. However, the four names on the list that are known are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02, Ha’aretz, 10/3/02] These are also probably the four most important of the hijackers (and two of the pilots). From them, there were many connections to the others. The CIA had already been monitoring three of them overseas the year before, and two, Alhazmi and Almihdhar, were put on a watch list the same day the Mossad gave this warning. [AFP, 9/22/01, Berliner Zeitung, 9/24/01, Observer, 9/30/01, New York Times, 9/21/02]

Such detailed warnings of exact names fit in well with the reports that Israeli spies were tracking the hijackers for months before 9/11. Yet, as Jane’s Intelligence Digest put it, “It is rather strange that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks…” [Jane’s Intelligence Digest, 3/13/02] The spy ring story did get a little coverage in the US, but more recent stories claiming that Israel knew the exact names of at least some of the hijackers hasn’t been reported here at all. Perhaps the story is too controversial for the US media to touch? "

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Wait...step back, do you believe the official version of the 9/11 attacks?
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07-21-2011, 09:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2011, 09:29 PM by OTO.)
RE: The anti-Israeli conspiracy
No I don't.
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