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Fuck Harper!
05-03-2011, 04:35 PM,
#1
Fuck Harper!
Now I know how our American brothers and sisters must have felt when George W. was voted in for a second term. Please keep us Canucks in your thoughts as we struggle to come to terms with a conservative majority government(sob).
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05-03-2011, 04:57 PM,
#2
RE: Fuck Harper!
Canadian election results:
CON 167 NDP 102 LIB 34 BQ 4 GRN 1 IND 0

We have to assume that is the way real Canadian people really voted though in this age of Diebold voting machines.

Not that it mattered who got in really. Canada has been relegated to a puppet of a puppet of a monarchy of a puppet. The Canadian pie is being sliced up and divvied left and right. What is surprising is that Canadians tend to want their government to do more and more from them on their behalf.

Glad to see the Liberals crushed with their Russian Count at the helm. Separatism is dead, so good to see the Bloc only get 4 seats.

The synopsis from my POV:

* The Liberals would have been far worse.
* The Green Hell Party didn't make too many advances but got their leader elected. I fear for our children.
* NDP Socialists got a BIG boost
* Conservatives got a majority mandate to lay down the corporate plank of the agenda unopposed.
* I failed to get the independent in our riding elected by 10% :[

That's the score I suppose but I expected to be disappointed just not in such a manner but it makes sense now. There was attacks on all sides at the Harper Government (even though it was a minority). They are handed the grenade during this rough 4 years. It will destroy the party and either the Libs or NDP (maybe even the greens they got almost 4% of the popular vote and the crop of new voters is greenwashed by the indoctrination system) or a coalition of a few parties.

Appointing Ignatieff as leader was an implosive move by the Liberals. Intentional though? - makes you ponder.

Under a single party an agenda can get whipped through Parliament with little opposition. In my experience the Senate is rarely the voice of the people so who it is populated by is fairly moot.

I'll set an example personally in my own life. For a national example look to the country of Iceland.

Iceland Declares Independence from International Banks
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=39629

Well for the most part, at least in principle. Maybe history has some better templates to emulate some aspects of.
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05-03-2011, 07:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-03-2011, 11:38 PM by springhawk.)
#3
RE: Fuck Harper!
(05-03-2011, 04:57 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: Canadian election results:
CON 167 NDP 102 LIB 34 BQ 4 GRN 1 IND 0

We have to assume that is the way real Canadian people really voted though in this age of Diebold voting machines.


The ballots are counted manually and verified by scrutineers

Reformed Perspective Wrote:The Canadian System

Instead of entrusting our vote tabulation to machines, the more than 13 millions ballots cast in the 2008 Canadian federal election were counted by hand, and it was done quickly with results completed within fours hours of the polls closing. Instead of one machine counting a poll, the totals in most Canadian polls are counted by at least four people. Two of these tabulators are with Elections Canada. They are the Deputy Returning Officer, who shows the group each vote, and the Poll Clerk who keeps track of the running total. The other two or three or even more people watching the vote are scrutineers recruited by, and representing, each of the different candidates. So in most ridings there are people with at least 3 different perspectives counting the vote:

1) the (hopefully neutral) Elections Canada staff
2) a Liberal scrutineer
3) a Conservative scrutineer
4) often a New Democrat scrutineer (if the have the manpower)
5) a scrutineer from other parties, or independent candidates

After the poll is counted these scrutineers phone in the results to their party headquarters where these numbers are added to the totals coming in from the other polls.

Excerpted From Do machines count better than men?

FastTadpole Wrote:Not that it mattered who got in really. Canada has been relegated to a puppet of a puppet of a monarchy of a puppet. The Canadian pie is being sliced up and divvied left and right. What is surprising is that Canadians tend to want their government to do more and more from them on their behalf.

Glad to see the Liberals crushed with their Russian Count at the helm. Separatism is dead, so good to see the Bloc only get 4 seats.

The synopsis from my POV:

* The Liberals would have been far worse.
* The Green Hell Party didn't make too many advances but got their leader elected. I fear for our children.
* NDP Socialists got a BIG boost
* Conservatives got a majority mandate to lay down the corporate plank of the agenda unopposed.
* I failed to get the independent in our riding elected by 10% :[

The Conservatives are going to push their omnibus Republican
styled crime bill in the first 100 days, if they keep that promise.

Micheal Geist says the anti terrorism and crime legislation the
Conservatives plan on bringing forward would mandate. . .

Micheal Geist Wrote:the disclosure of Internet provider customer information without court oversight. Under current privacy laws, providers may voluntarily disclose customer information but are not required to do so. The new system would require the disclosure of customer name, address, phone number, email address, Internet protocol address, and a series of device identification numbers.

Ford losing was a real bummer. I wanted the Indie
guy to win too

FastTadpole Wrote:That's the score I suppose but I expected to be disappointed just not in such a manner but it makes sense now. There was attacks on all sides at the Harper Government (even though it was a minority). They are handed the grenade during this rough 4 years. It will destroy the party and either the Libs or NDP (maybe even the greens they got almost 4% of the popular vote and the crop of new voters is greenwashed by the indoctrination system) or a coalition of a few parties.

Appointing Ignatieff as leader was an implosive move by the Liberals. Intentional though? - makes you ponder.

Iggy was named interim leader because he became deputy
leader after losing the Liberal Leadership to Dion on the 4th
ballot in 2006.

He was ratified leader two years ago

In my books, having Dion and Iggy contesting the leadership
shows the weakening of the party.

I guess you will have to look at how well or poor the Ontario
Conservative candidates did in 2008 to see if choosing Dion
and then Iggy a boneheaded move made by a party without
strong front runners.

FastTadpole Wrote:Under a single party an agenda can get whipped through Parliament with little opposition. In my experience the Senate is rarely the voice of the people so who it is populated by is fairly moot.

Canadian majorities can be legal dictatorships depending on
the control the PM has over caucus
. Harper was definitely the
boss in his party and still probably still is. I don't see the new
Ontario members having more loyalty to Jim Flaherty
than Harper. This election was about Harper, Layton and Iggy

Furthermore, Harper appointed 38 Senators. We have 103
Senators in Canada. He doesn't have to worry about them.

The question is. . .

will we get real senate reform?

With last night's major gains in Ontario, I heard some pundit
say, on the CBC, the Conservative Party of Canada became
the Conservative Party of Ontario.

Will these Ontario Members back or block the Senate Reform
the western wing of the party wants?

That and the long gun registry are two tests to see. . .

1) How much control of the party Harper really has
2) How far they have moved from ideals put forth
the Reform party

After all, this new Conservative party was created by old Reform
and Canadian Alliance members
buying enough memberships in
the old Progressive Conservative and staging a coup d'etat

Edited added link to the timeline of CPC creation
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05-04-2011, 01:56 AM,
#4
RE: Fuck Harper!
I stand corrected figured the paper ballots were counted by computer like our Canadian Education Standards test scores has been for decades now. But the hand count with at least 2 auditors present is in place in accordance with the Canada Elections Act.

A review was made by KPMG in 1998 to explore the idea of using technology (telephone, Internet and kiosk) for voting in Canada.

Technology and the Voting Process - Final Report
June 15, 1998
Prepared for Elections Canada
Prepared by KPMG/Sussex Circle

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/tech/tec&document=index&lang=e
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/tech/tec&document=appb&lang=e

This report was filed away and the process in elections, recounts and by-elections are as springhawk so aptly described. However the door to electronic voting is open a crack given this section of the Canada Elections Act. It does need passage by both House and Senate committees.

Quote:18.1 The Chief Electoral Officer may carry out studies on voting, including studies respecting alternative voting means, and may devise and test an electronic voting process for future use in a general election or a by-election. Such a process may not be used for an official vote without the prior approval of the committees of the Senate and of the House of Commons that normally consider electoral matters.

S.C. 2001, c. 21, s. 2.
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=loi/fel/cea&document=part02&lang=e#sec18a

But I have to ask does the only Senate and House committees vote or do the entire House and Senate have a say in deciding this matter?

In response to Senators they appointees and have the job as long as they want it or until they die as far as I can fathom. A EEE Senate as the old Reform Party proposed would be far better of course. That said Senators are a bit more free to vote than whipped MPs.

More on Senators and their affiliations here:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenatorsMembers/Senate/SenatorsBiography/ISenator.asp?Language=E

Current Standings in the Senate:
Conservatives + PCs 54
Liberals 46
Independents 2
Vacant Seats 3
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05-04-2011, 02:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-04-2011, 07:10 AM by springhawk.)
#5
RE: Fuck Harper!
(05-04-2011, 01:56 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:
Quote:18.1 The Chief Electoral Officer may carry out studies on voting, including studies respecting alternative voting means, and may devise and test an electronic voting process for future use in a general election or a by-election. Such a process may not be used for an official vote without the prior approval of the committees of the Senate and of the House of Commons that normally consider electoral matters.

S.C. 2001, c. 21, s. 2.
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=loi/fel/cea&document=part02&lang=e#sec18a

But I have to ask does the only Senate and House committees vote or do the entire House and Senate have a say in deciding this matter?

Damn good question.

However, Part 12 of the Elections Act says the votes must
be counted in the presence of at least 2 electors.

The key word is ACT. I think a bill would have to passed
by both houses before the act could be changed.

FastTadpole Wrote:In response to Senators they appointees and have the job as long as they want it or until they die as far as I can fathom. A EEE Senate as the old Reform Party proposed would be far better of course. That said Senators are a bit more free to vote than whipped MPs.

More on Senators and their affiliations here:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenatorsMembers/Senate/SenatorsBiography/ISenator.asp?Language=E

Current Standings in the Senate:
Conservatives + PCs 54
Liberals 46
Independents 2
Vacant Seats 3

They can serve until they are 75
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05-09-2011, 10:42 PM,
#6
RE: Fuck Harper!
"Fuck Harper!"

How about kill him?

Which do you want, the gun or the Vasoline?
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05-10-2011, 12:31 AM,
#7
RE: Fuck Harper!
LOL good point Mike.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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05-28-2011, 10:24 PM,
#8
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Yes it's too bad our northern brothers and sisters have to suffer with an israel licker.
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE74Q2MG20110527:icon_sad:

[Image: 4LYztL5EEetP3rNCkLmwSn.jpg]
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05-29-2011, 06:26 PM,
#9
RE: Fuck Harper!
From the link posted above...

"with Prime Minister Stephen Harper saying Canada will back Israel whatever the cost."

Somehow I get the feeling backing Israel means Canucks dying in FF events.
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05-29-2011, 07:42 PM,
#10
RE: Fuck Harper!
Quote:Somehow I get the feeling backing Israel means Canucks dying in FF events.

A big ten-four on that statement Mike.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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06-06-2011, 08:15 AM,
#11
RE: Fuck Harper!
Quote:Page with 'Stop Harper' sign fired from Senate

   

CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Fri. Jun. 3 2011 7:35 PM ET

A Senate page who was fired Friday for holding a "Stop Harper" sign during the government's throne speech says she hopes to inspire more cases of "civil disobedience."

Brigette Marcelle, a 21-year-old graduate from the University of Ottawa, said that she only recently decided to put her job on the line and stage the silent protest.

Though she was immediately fired from the sought-after position, Marcelle said she doesn't regret upstaging the government on its coming out day in Ottawa.

In fact, Marcelle, who is also a theatre performer, called on people across the country to stage Canada's own version of the "Arab Spring" and stand up to the recently-elected Conservative majority government.

"This is the only way we're going to see real change," Marcelle told CTV News Channel, as she conceded that Harper's majority government will hold parliamentary sway for the next four years.

Marcelle managed to hold her sign up for about 20 seconds, and stood steps from Prime Minister Stephen Harper. She was quickly escorted out of the chamber and immediately fired.

...

Brigette DePape, the rogue page, missed her convocation ceremony Sunday at the University of Ottawa because she was too busy doing media interviews.
Full Article + Video: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110603/throne-speech-protester-110503/
Update on the Rouge Page: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/celebrity-and-controversy-surround-parliaments-rogue-page/article2048127/

Facebook Clicktivism :: Stop Harper! Help Disrupt Harper's Agenda!
-- good platform to discuss real action vs paltry protest
https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=231132636903992


With a majority government we have a dictatorship for the next four years. It wouldn't matter if it were Cons, Libs, New Dems or Greens it's too much power for a whipped party system that are ALL corporate / banking / globalist puppets and power corrupts... I'd advocate a change to the 'representative' system itself rather than attack the symptoms. And I'm open to suggestions and have a few of my own as to how to go about it.

Toss in your thoughts.

   

Springhawk would've had a field day on this .. RIP Buddy.


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06-07-2011, 01:26 AM,
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RE: Fuck Harper!
Comments and banter from the annals of Facebook that has attracted some ignorance and some misplaced dissent that has come up with our display by our adorable instant star page.

Here's the fun unraveling .. The most dumbtarded comments have been removed since they are not fit for this forum quotes not from myself are noted in italics.


Stop Harper! Help Disrupt Harper's Agenda!
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=231815513502371&id=231132636903992

The 'Event' Outline
Quote:Press Release: http://www.mediacoop.ca/newsrelease/7403

Earlier this afternoon, Brigette DePape, a 21 year old senate page took a stand against Harper. During Stephen Harper’s Speech from the Throne she walked onto the floor and held up a “Stop Harper” sign, reminding the Prime Minister that the majority of people in this country don’t share his vision.

On Tuesday, Mr. Harper told his cabinet that “Conservative values are Canadian values.” Brigette and so many other people in this country disagree.

If you stand with Brigette, please join us in supporting this action. It’s easy;

1. Share this event on facebook, invite all your friends and post it to your page with a message as to why you think we need to Stop Harper.
2. Jump on twitter and let the world know why you are going to #stopharper. Use the hashtag and send the PM a message with @pmharper
3. Change your facebook photo to the Stop Harper Sign

With a majority government we have a dictatorship for the next four years. It wouldn't matter if it were Cons, Libs, New Dems or Greens it's too much power for a whipped party system that are ALL corporate / banking / globalist puppets and power corrupts... I'd advocate a change to the 'representative' system itself rather than attack the symptoms. And I'm open to suggestions and have a few of my own as to how to go about it.

Toss in your thoughts.
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Demands and protest will get us nowhere - without action to back it up. I speak from experience and from observation of history.

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Jason, I understand where you are going but, if there were a perfect political system I would think it would be used already, and we should use and accept what we have unless there is a majority approved change. Everything that you mention ...corp, etc. is a result of peoples ability to improve their own lot within the system we use. We all have the opportunity and ability to become lawyers, doctors.... No system is perfect, but we should try to allow the system we have to proceed, and as you indicated suggest improvement rather than attack the symptoms.

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This action thinking within the box to a point, and it's not a box of our design and works against public recourse. Of course it needs support and has to be gradual lest we are met with conflict > chaos. Working within the system and turnin...g the tables is an apt strategy to win back government to serve rather than rule.

The system we have is unresponsive to public pleas and sometimes may throw us a bone. Whether that is lack of citizen involvement or if we are all moot or somewhere in between is a matter of opinion.

The system has plenty of merit as well such as a decent form of common law if it's not leveraged too hard by status and money. A pretty balanced regulatory policy that could get out of hand especially with the introduction of C-36 and a lot of International Treaties such as CETA, ACTA and our G-20, WTO, UN, Commonwealth and NAFTA obligation strings.

It's a simple party dictatorship system. The Cons have a plan and it will destruct their party as a sacrifice to pave the way for the next instalment be it the NDP, Greens or Liberals to carry the collusive agenda forward.

Perhaps small changes in recall and impeachment to make politicians more accountable to the electorate would be a good start. Real free votes would bode well for more public power. Election funding needs and public coverage to be looked at as well. All changes within the system to change the system. I think we're on the same page here.

I feel the best way to go about it is fundamental reform instead of attacking every symptom that rears it's head; although that is part of it on this multi-front battle for a group policy/law/welfare system.

Baby steps towards a bigger goal of having a real citizen voice.

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Para 1 - I have not seen any Goverment "rule" in Canada...ever.

Para 2 - Goverment does respond to people. The problem is some people do not like the response the get.

Para 3 - If you can come up with a system that 100% of Canadains can be ha...ppy with, I'll listen.

Para 4 - How about we throw them some line, and if the hang themselves, they hand themselves. You have the world ending before the sky has fallen.

Para 5 - Go to parlement and make the suggestions, or talk to your MLA and see how far it goes. Might be more productive than getting yourself fired from your job.

Para 6 - Agreed!

Para 7 - Agreed!


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RE: "If you can come up with a system that 100% of Canadians can be happy with, I'll listen."

Try getting just 10 people to agree on Pizza toppings. Then try 32 million, not going to happen.

I've been lobbying for awhile, the normal procedure is they pretend to listen but are handcuffed to do anything about it. Some actually do convey that they care. Many in parliament really do care but once they get there it's difficult but not impossible to change from within, those few can become many but they need public support.

There will always be people that are not happy; in light of this I'd tend to advocate more localized control of spending and policy instead of blanket solutions.

I have been doing this for 22+ years now but I understand it takes more than just a few of us to become involved. People simply have to care more or maybe it's because we/they are too busy trying to scrape by a living, distracted by entertainment or peripheral non-issues or too overwhelmed with personal problems. It's all of the above IMO. The media doesn't lend public opinion a big enough voice and instead lends it to politicians and 'experts' to keep the machine going. People need to create more of their own initiatives if we really want things done to our will. We seem to be trained to ask/demand rather than do/create.

With 50%+ of our wealth controlled by government and a large portion of what remains private under control of multi-nationals operating in Canada we're handicapped in the money and resource field. I have the figures to back that up if you are interested.

For instance I haven't met anyone on the street that would have approved the purchase of 1,300 bombs destined for Libya but this system combined with citizen inaction and a Parliament that doesn't tend to act in our interests make for a poor formula.

That said it's not beyond repair, if people are willing and able to do something about it. It's ours for the taking but by default we are being directed to be ruled in apathy and by not taking direct action towards shaping our own destiny.


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Check out http://www.refedbc.com/ there is a better way to govern ourselves and get away from this archaic Westminster system of government. Representative government does not work for the people.

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I don't think you truly understand what a dictatorship is, by referring to the conservative majority as a dictatorship it diminishes the actual effects of a real dictatorship. Despicable, also, if it really were a dictatorship you wouldn't ...even be allowed to call it that without being arrested. We have many freedoms here that would not be permitted in an actual dictatorship, so please, fine if you want to oppose the Harper government that Canada has elected, but do not call it a dictatorship.


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Dictatorship is autocratic rule (be it by an individual or party) over the making of law a free pass without opposition or recourse to stop it. The fact we choose our dictator every 3 or 4 years does not change this.

You have aptly defined an oppressive tyranny though... and it could get worse, it can always get worse, but why allow it to creep forward.


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I would suggest you watch CPAC and see the kinds of things that happen in minority gov't settings. Like arguing about mittens for hours on end and LIBS, BLOC, and NDP whining constantly about why they don't get to "drive the bus". A strong majority is the best we could have hoped for, now things will get done. Things that benefit Canada, and Canadians, The Canadians that work for a living and own small businesses and support the rest of the country with social programs and "free lunches" for all the poor downtrodden people. I would say it is high time it was our turn to reap some benefits.


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Things will get done under a majority, for better or for worse but it will come from party policy since it's a mandate. Left / Right babble really -- its a false paradigm in this country just like everywhere else, they play ping pong with u...s in a controlled scope but stays on course with. It's framed as corporate vs government but one is merely an ally of the other in reality.

There are three BIG things that are consistent over the years.
* Bigger Government with more Reach and Authority
* Bigger Corporate Profits and Ownership of Canada
* Less Freedom in Canada

Bottom line there is less rights, monetary, resource and power for the individual citizen than ever in Canada's history. Combined with far more controls, permits, laws and . If some one from one hundred, no fifty years ago instantly transported to the future saw how little freedom we have relative to that era.

Demands will get us nowhere. We are trained to plea and beg at a young age. Some things you just have to do yourself for yourself, your community and your family.

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We do not need to be dependant on corporations to do things.
We do not need to be dependant on government to do things.

We can execute our own agenda..

You want more for the poor? You can give more if you have more. You want less slave labour? Buy less slave labour goods.
You want less pollution? Boycott polluting companies.
You want a study done on health or environment? Learn some science, hire some scientists.
You need a better school system? Start your own local school.

When there is a will there is a way and that way is grassroots change from your community not begging the corporate/government by protest, petition, strike or even letter campaigns. We are not powerless to enact projects on our own.

You want something done -- do it yourself.

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Jason - I agree with Shawn to a degree. You do present the most compelling and thought provoking political argument. But I truly believe the problem is not that government is handcuffed, or doesn't listen, or a dictatorship, I believe the p...roblem is people are unwilling to accept decisions by government, or decisions by others unless it meets their own needs completely. Greed. A trait which is not exclusive to the rich. Take for instance those who cannot accept the conservative majority. THey will not allow the conservatives an opportunity to prove themselves. Very greedy on thier part.

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Well if history is a teacher the Cons and the Libs have had a chance to prove themselves and the NDP and Greens don't have a great policy IMO and it's really more of the same but marketed differently to appeal to another demographic. There really isn't that much fundamental difference in the parties.

The Reform Party was about as close as we got (EEE senate, proportional representation and a more accountable government) but the party, along with the reforms, were absorbed by the Cons and have been quashed as a result.

But really I'd rather not debate ideology on a party level, I feel it's a rigged game and they put on a show. There is a real power base in committees, international NGOs, educational institutions, media and corporations in the scope of how a country and its peoples are managed, and moulded. It's a debate that cannot only encompass the political/governmental slice of influence; it needs to be multi-faceted.

As for unacceptance of Dissent is healthy in a democracy. If anything we need more people to both speak and act on behalf of what really matters to them, their families and their communities because too many people are not represented in Parliament.

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Dictatorship has a linguistic association with tyranny but it also denotes an autocracy. Autocratic governance would have been a better term to define the system of government since all we can do is threaten not to vote for our elected/selected/ propped up dictators.

I am thankful for our rights but we do need to be wary who holds the hammer in stomping them out. It has been gradual and RELATIVELY we are free but in absolute terms we are far less free than we once were even 20 years ago; economically and behaviourally. For every social program there are conditions and they are funded we need to pick and choose what is done on our behalf what we are collectively being enrolled in by our representatives. They make decisions for us that are not accounted for except by a revolving door of election every three or four years.

We are protected to a point by the Charter (and Common Law) but it can be bypassed quite easily as we have seen by the G20 debacle and Bill C-36 as of late. Also our membership in superstates like our relationship with the US, NATO, The UN, the WTO, The IMF, The World Bank and WHO usurps our sovereign power to even act as a nation. There are appointed boards and committees that take decsion making out of government as well (see Health Canada, Bank of Canada, Governor in Council ..).

Beyond government a lot of decisions are enacted by corporations. The second you punch the clock you are under their terms and rules -- essentially their own Corporate Governance. Corporations funnel the money and resources to a large degree so we cannot ignore that.

Following up on some issues I'll highlight a few for further, in depth, consumption compiled by myself:

The IMF on Corporate Governance and $75,681,430,091 in Interest + Charges since 1984
http://forum.concen.org/showthread.php?tid=35276

C-6 / C-36 Canadian Consumer Product and Safety Act : Analysis of A Stealth Coup -- Passed Senate Dec 13th, 2010
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=35059

Want Real Grassroots Changes: Start a School
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=908

A REAL Analysis of Canadian Government Debt and Tax: Federal, Provincial and Local
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36171

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06-07-2011, 05:17 AM,
#13
RE: Fuck Harper!
Der Führer, Herr Harper, has his majority now. Watch out!
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06-08-2011, 04:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-08-2011, 04:40 AM by zapoper.)
#14
RE: Fuck Harper!

@ FastTadpole, I just keep it simple now... Harper is another sockpuppet of the Zionists.

Point finale. Alinéa... :lol:

No need for 15 paragraphs LOL.
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06-08-2011, 05:27 AM,
#15
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(06-08-2011, 04:38 AM)zapoper Wrote: @ FastTadpole, I just keep it simple now... Harper is another sockpuppet of the Zionists.

You almost make it a bit too simple in that statement although 'sockpuppet' is true but there are a lot of strings attached and it has to look like a good marionette show so there is always a little extra flair, conflict, oh-so-close votes and drama presented than needs be.

Saying it it just Zionists is shallow of such a well read man such as yourself but I'll take it as you were just making a figure of speech to encompass the 'they' without using an out of fad term like Neocons, NWO or Illuminati. But really it was started and ends with us, blame gets us nowhere without acting upon it and blaming Zionists in out of reach places leaves us throwing up our hands unable to do anything against fortified individuals in ivory towers.

Why spend all that time and effort build a ladder to reach and cut off the head of the Dragon only when you know it will sprout more? Why when you can lop it off on the knees or starve the beast?

You stop tyranny when and where you see it whether it be the forces of Zion, the Jesuits, the Chinese or apathy in people such as the New Age Hippies living in a Violet Bubble. I wrote on more than just about Harper, a single personality, in my last post.

Notice how it's always Harper Conservatives, Harper Government, but he acts for all of Canada on the political and international scene. Clever wording to get us to disassociate with anything he / and by extension government does. Like it or not he's our responsibility as Canadians, like Obama is for Americans, Gillard for the Aussies, Cameron for the Brits...

People use the term 'they' even though we pay taxes and we take benefits and we keep the government running every time we use it's money and make it our own. That's how it is.

Don't want Harper acting on your behalf Stop Harper but better yet stop the System of Control that selects autocrats because we'll have 1000 more waiting in line after the PM is gone if we keeping giving the office such authority to represent all 33 Million of us.

That's the main point I made zapoper all 15+ paragraphs - if you care to (re)read them.

Would this make controlled opposition to the G-8?

On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit
DOUG SAUNDERS

DEAUVILLE, FRANCE— From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, May. 25, 2011 10:22PM EDT
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/on-israel-harper-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article2035290/
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