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CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
04-05-2011, 03:49 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-05-2011, 03:50 AM by R.R.)
CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs

People should do more of these.
04-05-2011, 06:09 AM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
That's where it (is) headed. Combine that with Google and DARPA programs and it's bang on maybe even a little tame.

Clips like this are really a disservice to the public. They are predictive programming to be met with laughter instead of horror. See The Springfield Dome in the Simpson's Movie. Ha Homer is being hunted down like a dog with a shoot to kill prerogative. Doh!

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04-05-2011, 07:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-05-2011, 07:56 PM by Melchor.)
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
(04-05-2011, 06:09 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: Clips like this are really a disservice to the public. They are predictive programming to be met with laughter instead of horror.
I couldn't disagree more. Gallows humor is helpful when dealing with this stuff unless you want to become paralyzed in the BS paytriot fear trap. It also indicates that at least some people are aware that social networking sites are really just vast data mining hubs. It's not predictive anything, it is happening now and the Onion is pointing it out through a parody news spot.
04-05-2011, 07:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-05-2011, 07:58 PM by SiLVa.)
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
^^^^-------Let me emphasize it.
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04-05-2011, 09:20 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
I'm looking into working with this group as an open source alternative to Facebook. I have yet to delve into it but if anyone has heard of it or is an insider I'd love to hear from you.

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04-06-2011, 08:31 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
The Onion is a joke, they take real issues and boil them down to funny so nobody, well the majority of people that get their news from the likes of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, takes them seriously as it is framed.

Satire has it's place but we're saturated with it now.

Another piece from the oh so critically acclaimed Onion.

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04-07-2011, 01:28 AM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
You raise some interesting points FastTadpole.

I see what you mean, these kinds of things can be interpreted in many ways by different people. I suppose to 'troofers' it seems like the word is getting out and for 'the other side' they view it as a pisstake of people who 'believe' such stuff.

Its akin to when you tell people of the horrors of this world and then they laugh and say that only happens in the movies or basically write it off as fiction even though if you check it is actually true.

I guess this is another example of ritual mocking of the victim.

I often tell people that there are 3 kinds of people in this world; those at the top, those that know what's going on (without belonging to the top) and everyone else. Just like there is only a small percentage of people running the world, there is a similar percentage opposed to their actions, like 2-5% each way and 90+% of the planet in ignorance, like most revolutions - an elite is superseded by another group of similar numbers, the winners are those who can get more of the ignorant inbetweeners on their side.
04-07-2011, 02:53 AM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
Quote:I guess this is another example of ritual mocking of the victim.

There is that aspect, Celtic Rebel refers to South Park in such a way, it could be a covert or allowed way of getting the information out along the likes of Animal Farm.

Fact is the reaction is paramount. Especially the initial reaction. Look to 9/11. We had people, myself included that we desensitized to it saying "It was just like a movie".

So let's see the different reactions that are being set up to this instance of Big Brother 4.0.

* I had better self censor - big brother is watching
* I knew that it was happening cuz I'm smrt, That's the way it is
* It's for our security (laffs)
* Despair (they control everything)
* F*ck Facebook, I'm being invaded
* All Eyes on Facebook for privacy invasion ignoring other

All to provoke various dead end distractions
* Anger
* Fear
* Laughs
* Apathy
* Despair
* Empathy
* Guilt
* Dependence

All of which are good for the overgrown hall monitors

This is the boiling frog approach. Monitor everything that people do in schools, airports, with backscatter x-ray vans, the internet, police searches, mental health evaluations, sexual history reports (AIDS and STD surveys), drug testing, taking censuses, surveys, tapping phones, placing CCTVs everywhere, RealID, Internet Eyes, iWatch, Patriot Act, cellphone spying, education records, medical histories, driving records, health records, crimminal records, social records, putting a camera on your video game system X-Box.

There is even serious talk about screening people's brains and auditing genomes.

The corporations, universities, organized crime cartels, NGOs, banks, social service and various levels of government. They all have access, sell and share your personal information more or less in one way or the other to help manage (control) society or gain an advantage over the herd, or the rest of the herd, in one form or the other.

The information economy is out in full force.

Facebook is the tip of this iceburg. The system is already in place and the noose is getting cinched.

So is any reaction other than disconnecting from spy devices, systems altogether a moot flaccid pursuit? Well there are choices on the table.

Unplugging is an option but then we are compartamentalized and thus detached from those who are still there, and we need them, whether we care to admit it or not. It is important to interact on their medium especially with one such as facebook with some 50 million users.

We can work to build and create alternatives. In this instance the entire internet is monitored and catalouged by the likes of Google, AT&T, the government et al. So is it futile?

We have another option in turning the table and employing any and all tools available to have a world more attuned to following their conscience, pursuing their dreams and expressing their free will.

In a positive outcome real eyesd to it's potential our brothers and sisters follow suit as we (you) carve the path. If not at least we can say to our children, future generations and ourselves that we put forth our best attempt.

Borrowing and updating a mantra from man's law -- anything you say, write, do or even think can and will be used against you.

In a world I envision and have taken steps to create an environment that doesn't exist in a bubble but as a viral seed that has anything you say, write, do or think can and will be responsibly utilized for us as well.
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04-07-2011, 08:18 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
Imho, none of the "positives" outweigh the negatives when it comes to being a part of the Facebook catalog.
Its one big data-mining, catagorizing, enormous hub of personal, and (what used to be) private information, which ultimately gives the enemy the upper hand no matter what you think you can accomplish with it.

Imo, we have to think about war strategy in a war. And gathering intel is key. The less they know, the better it is for you and your families in the future. Its the ultimate honey pot of honey pots right now. It may be benign for now, but eventually it will be used against you in some way, shape or form.
I'm well aware that thats not the only place that is being used to gain intel on the public, but the wealth of info that is taken from there, and the overall scope of its application is probably much more than even we can fathom at the moment. Its now become a part of everyday life for so many people. Businesses using it to spy on workers, and/or potential employees. Police monitoring it for valid and invalid investigations as well as using it to monitor new recruits. The cultural significance isnt even an after thought, but the impact is huge already and its not even been around all that long.
It's already looked down on in some circles when you dont have a facebook page. I get weird looks and questions all the time when I tell people I dont have one. Friends of mine try to tease and act like Im scared of it. They have no clue. Its not about being scared. To me its about maintaining as much of my life, and keeping it personal to me, to people close to me and not a public show of ego or theater. Id rather make personal connections, before digital ones, although Ive made plenty of "friends" here. If I can help it, I wont give anyone the upper hand over me no matter what it is. As it is I already post on several message boards, even using my own name on some. I dont mind them knowing I'll fight back, but thats all they will get from me.
Its impact on the future is not even known yet, and I assume because of its popularity it will be used to much greater end.
I just rather not be apart of it. I have no need whatsoever to get any points across to anyone through FB.
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04-07-2011, 10:19 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
Spot on SiLVa, Facebook is changing social life to the point of discrimination if you don't have an account. Its bad enough 'living' in the west a decade ago when children were almost bullied - certainly socially shunned when their families couldn't provide them with the latest overpriced clothes or satellite/cable television to stay with the 'in-crowd', not to mention the variety of products which just had to have some corporate brand or celebrity endorsement before it was deemed acceptable to ones peer group. That was a decade ago and now with the facebook generation growing up, there'll be a new generation who deem such things as normal and yet another 'necessity' for social approval alongside the many other products becoing more necessary such as mobile phones. All contribute to some incredible pressures on parents and with this ability to simply need computer/internet access, a new type of nomadic lifestyle is slowly being created which, as a 'logical' conclusion, means that it demands a global government as more people will have no issue being relocated as long as their virtual world remains intact which brings with it a degradation of human relationships and interaction.

As for war and intel, I suppose we could always use such things for purposes of disinformation. I'm sure psychological profiles can be easily obtained and thus simply filling in certain fields on social networking sites can give an inaccurate but believable profile of oneself. Or even typing in certain things on search engines frequently enough but having no legitimate interest in might also give them something to think about. Just food for thought but I'd certainly advocate developing methods to throw them off, if to just waste their time.

After listening to Alex Jones' interview with that guy who tattoos barcodes on people granting easier access to facebook, I know I don't want to be around the 'developed' world in 10-15 years time especially if most big cities are anything to go by. Robots by day and freaks at night, fuck that.
04-08-2011, 05:24 AM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
Logging On ..

I agree that information collected on you can leveraged against you but counter that with the collection of everything from cell phones to streetcams to financial transactions ... as I mentioned above. We're basically chipped anyways. In being a f-booker one is ripe low hanging fruit in the easy collection forum. The info some people post is fish in a barrel, you SHOULD be wary of that to protect yourself from volunteering too much personal information.

And I disagree. The whole internet (and a good part of the meatspace) is catalogued, tagged and flagged anyways so writing a post, whether it be on Twitter or Digg; on ConCen or on Facebook there is little difference 'cept for the faucet - remember who owns the pipes.

Yeah it's their playing field; hell it's the belly of the beast. Facebook is pretty sophisticated in leeching your information but the medium is the Internet not Facebook.

Until we build an alternative to reach a mass audience I'll use the hand dealt to me.

We can shift it a bit from TheirSpace to OurSpace but it's not a battle that can be won. Digg did a huge selective purge last year of my posts, comments and article submissions. Many I was associated with and in other networks were reprimanded for as well. It's as simple as that for them.

It's not called the web and given the moniker the net for nothing. As mentioned above if "We the people will not be chipped" is the mantra we've already lost.

There is no halfway you're either plugged into it or not. But you control what you write, film and photograph; the groups, sites and individuals you associate with on and offline.

It's fun to throw a monkey wrench in the system too. Putting in false information. Garbage in garbage out. =)

I tend to stand by who I am though, I'm the same dude in every setting. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm a totally open book to everyone, everywhere, all the time. I don't carry ID or banks cards, purchase almost exclusively with cash and don't have a cell phone (GPS, Electronic Leash), an iGadget or a customer loyalty card (I use someone else's). KYR (Know Your Customer is not for me. Roleplaying is only for my D&D nights on Wednesdays. I won't be slave to my paranoia real or imagined and I'll communicate by any means I can, as long as I remain relatively uncensored in and out of the detached medium of the internet.

Maybe I'm being altruistic and optimistic, maybe I want to just confront New Agers, Zeitgeisters, Socialists, Nationalists, Larouche Packers, We Are Loose Changies, Civil Rights Activists, Treehuggers, Tea Baggers and Lightweavers. All of the demanders, the protesters, the fearmongers, the petition signers, the political paradigmers and the complainers and maybe, just maybe, get a few of these well intentioned but woefully misled, somewhat naive human beings but they are individuals.

Sometimes a bit of a nudge to real eyes what we are actually accomplishing in the bigger scheme of things, somewhere between counterproductive and little or nothing in the movements for change*, can get us to re-evaluate our tactics -- . It'd be cool actually do something that can produce results at some point in their lives. That's strategy in utilizing our strength in numbers and uniting for a common objective until that goal is fulfilled.

* I want change - isn't that something a dependant toddler asks of his mommy after a movement?

From the shadows or to the rooftops? No Facebook isn't an ideal place to go do this - face to face is often far more effective but Facebook is simply too big an audience to ignore. If a few infiltrators can reach a few peeps, or at least lend balance to this hotbed of social media propaganda, full of muppets and shills, maybe direct a few over here or get them out of their Farmville and Mafia War games on Facebook and plant a seed that may sometime sprout them into a local meetup.

I've even learned a few things from people on facebook - you do have to sift through a lot of garbage though.

Quote:Imo, we have to think about war strategy in a war. And gathering intel is key. The less they know..

It's a two way street on the know thyne enemy tactic (here are some others). You can give as little as your IP (I have a hunch it's tracked even if you use proxies or something like TOR somewhere along the hops) to get on Facebook.

You also get an up close and personal on how the pawns are being moved around with a quick glance at the feeds, trends and hot topics. Like I said Facebook is too big to ignore.

It's an inside job.

Logging Off ..
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11-18-2011, 01:44 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs

But hey the internet itself is far bigger than Facebook.

Fear makes the wolf look bigger..

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11-18-2011, 09:36 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
I see what your saying about the internet FT, and you're correct to an extent. I just dont think there is enough man power at the moment to manage tracking everything or everyone on the internet just yet.
I mean of course, if your targeted specifically, then its totally possible that they will be able to track and cache everything you post or say online or on your phone, whether iPhone, Droid or not. I believe that. I just dont think its at the level just yet where they are doing that to all of us. I could be wrong, and I might be.
Its just things like facebook and other social media sites that basically give them one central location to draw from, which makes things much easier for them. The danger lies in those sites becoming so much bigger than they are already. I see that happening daily.
Thats why I refuse to buy in even on a small level. I can't not use the internet just because there is a chance they could be tracking my searches. But boycotting FB I feel is one of the only ways I can genuinely opt out of one of their tools against me.
And because its being used in that way, I feel that all the real "aware" allies we will need in the future need to be wary of FB if they are going to commit to using it. Dont get me wrong I dont look down on anyone for using FB, my lil brother is a total FB addict and I tease him about it all time, but thats just me. Plenty of my friends have FB and use it regulary. None of them are politically or socially involved in anything and most of them are mindless drones when it comes to Globalism so I tell them what I feel about FB and keep it moving.
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11-18-2011, 10:21 PM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
The Internet is a tool. Facebook is a tool*. Facebook is a more controlled tool but I'll use any tool I can but if a "tool" is using Facebook they are doing themselves, and the internet itself, a disservice by diluting it and/or buying into the rhetoric served up on the medium like Mafia Wars and Cityville or whatever the latest time wasting social engineering or filtered fanpage propaganda is.

A lot of the youth I know are already moving onto the next thing because their parents are on Facebook and they need to separate themselves from it since each generation feels a need to define themselves apart from their parents in their own niche (market). Facebook is scrambling to keep children interested ** and new sites are opening up to capture that market. It appears fractured but the way the data is bought and sold, merged and collated makes the end result of which octopus sucker node they end up on moot, from a corporate/government standpoint.

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

I wish they'd bring Public Access TV back to my area but I cede those days are gone.

* You could include Google, Bing, Skype, Forum Spyders, Cell Phones, Your Web Browser or Your OS in that category as well to varying degrees but that's the price of admission. I just don't think it's really worth a load of effort to be all anonymous about my web activity and I find it an interesting study to see how my searches are filtered and my ads are served and I'm already well beyond being able to get hired for any government gig or by a multi-national corporate job if I actually wanted one.

** Social Networks Aimed at Children: Disney leads Charge into the Facebook for Under 13
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11-19-2011, 04:02 AM,
RE: CIA's "Facebook" Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
Not to pop anyone's bubble, but facebook is about as damming as checking your email.

Just using the internet is 90%. Facebook is just people not making the last 10% any work.

Just look into re-identification.

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