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Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
06-19-2011, 02:40 AM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of L
(06-19-2011, 01:12 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: Good to get the Libyan news straight up rather than be fed the filtered second hand news and interpretations.

International Banking is explored in this video. But it's also about oil, water, land, uniting Arab nations and that's touched upon a bit.


Do You believe Reuters BS propaganda we've been fed for 3 months that "Libya has 'NO DEMOCRACY?"


* GDP per capita - $ 14,192.
* Unemployment benefit - $ 730.
* Each family member subsidized by the state gets annually $ 1.000
* Salary for nurses - $ 1.000.
* For every newborn is paid $ 7.000.
* The bride and groom receive a $ 64 thousand to purchase flats.
* Major taxes and levies prohibited.
* To open a personal business a one-time financial assistance of $ 20.000
* Education and medicine are free.
* Educ.Internships abroad - at government expense.
* Stores for large families with symbolic prices for basic foodstuffs.
* Part of pharmacies - with free dispensing.
* Loans for buying a car and an apartment - no interest.
* Real estate services are prohibited.,
* Buying a car up to 50% paid by the State.
* No Payment for electricity for the population.
* Sales and use of alcohol is prohibited.
* Petrol is cheaper than water. 1 liter of gasoline - $ 0.14.

Socialism seems to work there (at least better than external predatory capitalism has) as it does in Venezuela under Chavez. No one system works anywhere.

Those statistics prove that Ghadafi is an 'evil' dictator and must be stopped.
Don't forget his anti Izzrahell speeches at the UN....those made him even more"evil"....almost demonic!!
We must bomb people in order to liberate them. It makes perfect sense when you think about it.

"The gift of speech, as we know, is not often accompanied by the gift of thought" - Somerset Maugham
08-24-2011, 05:13 AM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Wow that was fast .. Libya gets a new constitution too. It's in the draft stages and based on Sharia Law to make a more homogeneous region apt to more easily assimilate into a regionally based zone of power (see European Union).

Quote:Libyan Draft Constitution: Sharia is ‘Principal Source of Legislation’
Lachlan Markay
August 22, 2011 at 1:23 pm

The dust has not yet settled over the Libyan capital of Tripoli since rebels took control over the weekend. But already, a draft constitutional charter for the transitional state has appeared online (embedded below). It is just a draft, mind you, and gauging its authenticity at this point is difficult. There is also no way to know whether this draft or something similar will emerge as the final governing document for a new Libyan regime.

As both the Morning Bell and Washington in a Flash noted today, Heritage Fellow Jim Phillips recently pointed out that Islamist forces “appear to make up a small but not insignificant part of the opposition coalition,” and must be prevented “from hijacking Libya’s future.” Parts of the draft Constitution allay those fears, while others exacerbate them.

Much of the document describes political institutions that will sound familiar to citizens of Western liberal democracies, including rule of law, freedom of speech and religious practice, and a multi-party electoral system.

But despite the Lockean tenor of much of the constitution, the inescapable clause lies right in Part 1, Article 1: “Islam is the Religion of the State, and the principal source of legislation is Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia).” Under this constitution, in other words, Islam is law. That makes other phrases such as “there shall be no crime or penalty except by virtue of the law” and “Judges shall be independent, subject to no other authority but law and conscience” a bit more ominous.
Full Draft Available for analysis at:

.pdf   Libya-Draft-Constitutional-Charter-for-the-Transitional-Stage.pdf (Size: 1.22 MB / Downloads: 55)

It's riddled with except by rule of law (stuff like home inspection, correspondence monitoring, disposal of property, form a group, bearing arms.. ) so it's not really the prime rule of law since it can be overridden by other law.

It mentions guaranteed rights for women but does not mention men.

"The state shall guarantee for woman all opportunities which shall allow her to participate entirely and actively in political, economic and social spheres."

It doesn't mention property and it says opportunities not rights so there is an initiation price and the door can be a very narrow pass to capitalize on that opportunity. Sounds a lot like the UN Women empowerment strategy.

Some other notable excerpts:

"caring for public funds will be the duty of every citizen"

"the state will take care of children, the elderly and handicapped"

"the state shall endeavour to join the international, regional declarations and charters which protect such rights and freedoms"

"the state shall guarantee the right of work, education, social security .."
India is implementing a system where people are conscripted to work a minimum number of hours and children are forced to fulfill education up to a certain age. more on this here under UID and MGNREGA (Employment and Wage Tracking)..

"the state shall guarantee the right of intellectual and private property"
IP is right in line with WIPO policy - and to to whom is not really mentioned in the previous section when they mentioned people.. but it is cleverly worded in the context of the document to get people to assume the beneficiaries so if not (only) for individuals, that leaves..

Overall it seems like a mix between Sharia Law and the UN Charter but with all sorts of loopholes to override it and that odd provision to (endeavour to) enrol into international rights declarations and charters. Not quite a declaration of independence is it?

The Constitution must be validated by plebiscite (yes/no) of absolute majority (a number of votes totalling over 50 per cent) of the Libyan People. Doesn't say anything about poll station availability or a minimum required turnout to approve just more yays than nays. The constitutional document can be perpetually revised by the Libyan National Transitional Council and they can even veto approval of it themselves. Until it is approved the LNTC are the international representatives of the lands of residing in the territory of Libyan border and the people of Libya.

It gets into the Transitional Council but I won't go there. Through legal explanation of the LNTC and its international clout given in this article.

Recognition of the Libyan National Transitional Council
By Stefan Talmon June 16th 2011
There are no others, there is only us.
08-24-2011, 11:07 PM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Cheers for the update FT, and yes it does seem a mix of Sharia and UN Charter legislation. It's sad that the whole world is actually watching this take place, and even with mainstream TV reports it only takes a slightly careful eye or ear to know that Sharia is of heavy influence in these early stages. The fact that no one in the mainstream is yet thoroughly assessing who these rebels are though baffles me, no one seems to be asking.
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21
08-25-2011, 08:01 AM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
hmm anyone think its a bit odd that this is written in english?
08-25-2011, 08:45 AM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Hell yeah I've been searching for the original myself.

I'd originally heard that this was a leaked document and strangely there is no Arabic version that I can turn up. I don't know if the document is genuine. It might be a fake.

Here's the old Libyan Constitution under the Monarchy (it's long)

Original Download Link Where I retrieved the PDF:

POMED = The Project for Middle Eastern Democracy

Here's their summary posted on the 18th of August and they affrim it is legitimate. is as far back as I can trace the document back to..

Quote:Libyan Draft Constitutional Charter
By Alex
August 18, 2011

The Libyan Transitional National Council has released its Draft Constitutional Charter for the Transitional Phase (here). Several of the Charter’s provisions are:

* Tripoli is the capital of Libya, and Tripoli is the seat of the TNC, however Benghazi may be an interim seat
* All Libyans shall be equal before the law, shall enjoy equal civil and political rights, and shall not be discriminated due to religion, belief, race, language, wealth, kinship, political opinions, or social status
* Human rights and basic freedoms shall be respected
* There shall be no crime or penalty except by virtue of law, and any defendant is innocent until proven guilty
* The state shall guarantee the freedom to form political parties, societies, and other civil societies
* Any member of the TNC must not be a member of a Local Council, a member of a corporations board of directors, or sell/purchase/rent/lease/barter with the State, or contract with the State
* After liberation, the TNC will move to Tripoli and shall form an interim national government in the first meeting thereof
* The Constitutional Authority shall be elected within one month
* The Constitution shall be referred to the people for a plebiscite, within one month of preparation, and shall be enacted by an absolute majority
* Legal committees affiliated with the TNC shall lay down laws for the legislative and presidential elections within 60 days
* The elections shall take place within 6 months of the elections law enactment, and shall be supervised by the U.N.
* Upon announcing the elections results, the TNC shall be dissolved
* No member of the TNC can nominate for or assume the position of President, membership of the legislative councils, or ministerial position
* The judiciary shall be independent, and have courts of different sorts and competencies
* Existing laws shall remain in force, as long as they are consistent with the new constitution, unless explicitly amended or repealed

Also on Wednesday, the head of the TNC, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, reaffirmed his commitment to step down within 8 months of the complete liberation of Libya.

Quite the positive spin.

POMED is a long standing non profit NGO working out of Washington DC with strong Liberal, some Conservative and and lots of UN affinities on policy. Their media links is pretty much the core mainstream from Washington Post to OSI to C-Span to CFR to Huffington Post, from Wikileaks to Women's Rights.

Quote:Our Mission

The Project on Middle East Democracy is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to examining how genuine democracies can develop in the Middle East and how the U.S. can best support that process. Through dialogue, research, and advocacy, we aim to strengthen the constituency for U.S. policies that peacefully support democratic reform in the Middle East.

I posted a comment .. in hopes of getting a definitive answer:

Quote:August 25, 2011 at 3:42 am
Is this a genuine document or a leak? If so where is the Arabic version. Is this the original?

.. awaiting moderation ...
There are no others, there is only us.
09-27-2011, 08:00 PM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Seems my question to POMED has gone unanswered and unposted but it seems that the majority of their articles have no posts - perhaps someone is simply asleep at the wheel. I'll try being more direct and give them a phone call -- 202-828-9660, ask for Stephen McInerney if you any questions. (from contact page)

Here's another critical statement pointing out a fatal flaw of the Libyan draft constitution.

Quote:Libyan Draft Constitutional Charter full of Koefr Akbar and Shierk

Given below is the link to the draft constitutional kufr akbar charter for the transitional stage.

Article 1 of the charter states that:

" Libya is an independent democratic state wherein the people are the source of authorities. The city of Tripoli shall be the capital of the state. Islam is the religion of the state and the principal source of legislation is Islamic Jurisprudence (sharia)...."

An interesting statement there, considering that Libya currently appears to become a classic imperialist casualty. Whoever drafted this constitution is playing with words to fool the pious Muslims of Libya. On one hand it claims to establish Shariah while at the same time states that the authority belongs to the people (democracy= power to the people and not to Allah ...which in fact is the right of Allah Subhana wa ta'ala alone.

The Muslims of Libya should beware of this trap, which leads to Shirk fil-Ibadah..Democracy and Shariah are contradictions !
There are no others, there is only us.
10-20-2011, 11:04 AM,
Photo  RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Yes indeedy, what an improvement for the Libyans. Thanks rebel forces - Cough, choke*.!



Quote:Libya raises new flag over Gaddafi stronghold Bani Walid
Oct 17, 2011 – 8:30 AM ET
By Barry Malone

Libyan interim government forces said Monday they had raised the country’s new flag over Bani Walid (A city of ~1 Million), one of the last bastions of pro-Muammar Gaddafi loyalists, but it was not yet clear if the town had been completely captured.

Along with Gaddafi’s hometown Sirte (A city of ~75K where 10 thousand people, including women and children are boxed in), Bani Walid has been one of only two towns in Libya where there is still armed resistance to the rule of the National Transitional Council (NTC).
Full Story:
There are no others, there is only us.
10-20-2011, 01:20 PM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Bonnie Faulkner interview about Libya :

Civil War In Libya - with Mohamed Hassan (2011 08 31)

10-20-2011, 07:31 PM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Anyone see this yet?

"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

10-21-2011, 07:27 AM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
so with gadaffi gone how long til libya becomes part of the african union?
10-25-2011, 12:34 AM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
Libya is already a part of the planned site for a massive Solar Farm, the biggest ever, for a Government subsidized and corporate run project headed by Siemens (who did the programming automation systems for nuclear reactors in Japan and Iran and the ones in Germany that are being discontinued - see STUXNET) estimated to cost $550 Billion.

Here's a blast from the past.

Muammar Gaddafi Speech To United Nations [2009.09.23] [mp3-64kbps]

.. and looking to the future

Libya: The War for Radical Islam, and a Defeat for the United States

Surprise!... Libya to Introduce Radical Islamic Law

Obama pledges U.S. support for Libya after Gadhafi

The War on Libya and the Broader US-NATO Military Agenda
Is a World War III Scenario Unfolding?

Who's next?

Comrade Hugo Chavez Calls Gaddafi a “Martyr”…
There are no others, there is only us.
10-25-2011, 11:59 PM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
There are no others, there is only us.
10-26-2011, 12:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-26-2011, 12:34 AM by R.R.)
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya
What a voice that narrator has!

I thought it was a trailer for some Hollywood film.

The road to a world socialist dictatorship continues. Those that want a more Islamic country are hardly going to get much support from the Christians (definately not any from the Jews), while the students will get plenty of support from the west (and the Jews). Remember bankers love socialism because all those public services need financing but not in the manner Libya was doing so. Its interdependance remember, not self-sufficiency.
10-26-2011, 03:52 AM,
1980s Sitcom Predicted Gaddafi's Death for July 29th 2011

Quote:Matthew Perry Sitcom 'Second Chance' Predicted Gaddafi Would Die in 2011

by Alex Moaba, posted Oct 20th 2011

Did a cheesy 1987 Matthew Perry sitcom predict that Muammar Gaddafi would be killed in 2011? A Reddit thread pointed out the wild 'Second Chance' coincidence after the Libyan dictator was killed in Sirte.

In the Fox show, which was set in 2011, the main character Charles, played by Kiel Martin, dies in a hovercraft accident, and after meeting St. Peter at the gates of heaven, is judged to be neither good enough for heaven or bad enough for hell. He's sent back to earth to help his teenage self, played by Matthew Perry, to live a more virtuous life.

But right before the scene in the pilot where Martin meets St. Peter, guess who else pays him a visit? None other than Colonel Gaddafi, with his trademark fatigues riddled with bullet holes. "Dead? It is impossible for me to be dead," the fictional Gaddafi says, before St. Peter sentences him to spend eternity in hell. It's a delightfully corny and really weird scene.
11-03-2011, 03:28 PM,
RE: Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya

Not saying he was a hero but he couldn't have been all bad. This water project was pretty much right against what any power hungry so called 'elite' ruling class would have wanted.
There are no others, there is only us.

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