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In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
02-16-2011, 04:31 AM,
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In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
Posted by Kevin Carson on Feb 15, 2011

In press commentary on the recent events in Egypt, there were frequent expressions of concern that Egypt might be falling into “anarchy.” “Anarchy,” in conventional journalistic usage, means chaos, disorder, and bloodshed — a Hobbesian war of all against all — that occurs when the stabilizing hand of government is removed. “Anarchy” is the agenda of mobs of kids in black circle-A t-shirts, smashing windows and setting stuff on fire.

But “anarchy,” as the term is understood by anarchists, is a form of society in which the state is replaced by the management of all human affairs through voluntary associations. Paul Goodman argued that it was impossible, through violence, to impose an anarchistic order on society, or to achieve a free society by replacing an old order with a new one. Rather, a free society results from “the extension of spheres of free action until they make up most of the social life.” Or to quote Gustav Landauer: “The State is a condition, a certain relationship between human beings, a mode of behaviour; we destroy it by contracting other relationships, by behaving differently toward one another… We are the State and we shall continue to be the State until we have created the institutions that form a real community.”

And we saw a great deal of anarchy in Egypt in recent days, in that sense. The people of Egypt have made a great start towards extending the spheres of free action, contracting new kinds of relationships between human beings, and creating the institutional basis of a real community.

Despite the poice state’s attempts to promote religious dissension and divide the opposition, Coptic Christians have stood watch over Muslims during their daily times of prayer. Muslims, likewise, guarded the perimeter of Liberation Square during a Coptic mass.

The resistance organized patrols to safeguard shops and museums from looting, and to watch over neighborhoods from which the security forces had been withdrawn. Meanwhile, as it turned out, most of the actions of violence and looting were false flag operations, carried out by security forces posing as protestors. So the functionaries of the state were the actual sources of violence and disorder; law and order emerged from anarchy — that is, from voluntary association.

The interim leader, Vice President Omar Suleiman — the object of so much hope on the part of neoconservative partisans of “stability” and “order” — is a torturer and a collaborator with the CIA’s “extraordinary rendition” program. Never forget: For every dubious example of an alleged “bomb-throwing anarchist,” like those at Haymarket, there are a million bombs thrown by governments. For every innocent person harmed by an alleged anarchist in a rioting mob, there are a thousand people tortured or murdered in some police dungeon, or ten thousand slaughtered by death squads in the countryside. For every store window broken by demonstrators, there are untold thousands of peasants robbed of their land in evictions and enclosures by feudal elites.

The people of Egypt have managed to throw out one tyrant. Now they find themselves under a military dictatorship which may or may not wind up reducing the level of tyranny. But if the Egyptian people find the new boss as oppressive as the old one, says Molinari Institute President Roderick Long, they know how to get rid of him.

If there is any real hope for the future, in the long run, it is in the anarchy that the people have built for themselves on the streets. There’s an old phrase that’s popular among the Wobblies, or Industrial Workers of the World: “building the structure of the new society within the shell of the old.” The Egyptian people have made a fair start toward doing just that. May the seeds of anarchy which were planted in the recent uprising continue to germinate and grow.
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02-16-2011, 12:41 PM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
The Egyptian revolution was an anarchist type of revolution, the complete rejection of the power of the state is just that.

Their complete rejection of the state, its oppressive laws and governance, leaderless, superb self organization, self policing, high morality, complete inclusive-ness, regardless of religion, gender, education, wealth or class, all these are hallmarks of anarchist philosophy (imo)

None of these protesters may regard themselves as 'anarchists', but they have on the whole conducted themselves within the guidelines of anarchist philosophy.
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02-16-2011, 06:10 PM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
it not the state that they were protesting against. it was a dictatorship of the state. They are quite happy with democracy.
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02-20-2011, 06:36 PM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
We've seen what they wanted us to see...to make us believe what they want us to believe.

How can you organize thousands of half mad people in an urban area!?

Do you think you'll be able to do it with a few loudspeakers?

They won't talk about what happens in every revolution in the world since ever.

If they show the reality of chaos to the people in the Muslim world there will be no Domino Effect, most probably. The people will get to their senses and realise that when there's no government there's no protection...they will go home and try to protect their loved ones and property instead of jumping and screaming.

The Organized Anarchy picture is necessary to eliminate the peoples' fears of the possible results of chaos.

The inevitable results of chaos.

What a wonderful propaganda machine...
One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses not to take medicine...
William Osler
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02-22-2011, 04:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-22-2011, 05:08 AM by Infinite.)
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
So people who want freedom from authoritarian rule are the propagandists, not the authoritarian 'leaders' who seek to rule over us and run peoples' lives? And individualist anarchists like the dude who wrote this article to my knowledge don't believe in a spontaneous revolution the way farther left collectivist anarchists do. Instead they promote a more gradual evolution towards a stateless society. In which economics and resources can be managed in a more libertarian, less hierarchical way that maximizes individual freedom and minimizes or eliminates stuff like tyranny, poverty and injustice. This guy Kevin Carson has written about it extensively and has authored several books that are all available for free. His take on things is really interesting, I have a lot more reading to do though I've only really just skimmed over his stuff. But it's the people who want to rule over society that portray freedom as chaos, in order to make us scared of life and turn to them for protection. The same way that they use false flag ops to scare the public into acquiescing to the heightened security state and expansionist wars they always seek. It follows the same pattern. I've read that back hundreds of years ago terms like democracy and republic that are common and accepted now had the same connotation that the term anarchy does today of meaning chaos because those concepts were considered radical when unelected monarchies were the norm. The powers that be always want us to think that things will go to shit if they lose their control over us and 'common folk' are left to run things. But it's they, the politicians and the ruling economic class, that generate most of our problems. And the apparatus of the state is the perfect vehicle from which they do it. The idea of a reformed, 'good' government is illogical to me. People who are attracted to positions of authority and power are in my experience the exact kinds of people that you don't want in those positions. Also to me government is illegitimate if you believe in the concept of equal rights. I don't believe in absolute equality of material conditions but I do believe in people having equal rights, and how can that be the case if only some people are the governors and the rest of us are the governed?

Also I have to say, I think that doing research into conspiracies and conspiratorial subjects is good in order to become aware, but I think that the constant emphasis on all the bad shit that goes on creates kind of a pessimistic and fearful mind state in a lot of us that is counter-productive to ever building anything better than the current society and governmental structure we live under. Speaking for myself I can say that was the case for a while in my own experience. These personalities in the conspiracy research movement kind of keep us down with their constant fear mongering and negativity. Yes there's bad shit happening but as long as you have a roof over your head and something to eat you're doing better than a lot of people in the world if you think about it. I know that personally I'm doing better than my ancestors did so I refuse to buy into that negative mindset any more. Life is what you make it to a large extent, no person can control you and ruin your life unless you let them short of being thrown in jail or murdered or something. I'm not just saying this to you personally but in general.
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03-05-2011, 07:04 AM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
(02-20-2011, 06:36 PM)bristopen Wrote: What a wonderful propaganda machine...

This organized anarchy is completely against what tptb want. They didnt place this destiny, and its most definitely not their plans. You think all the politicians of today didn't know about Qadaffi and mubarak and all the other dictators? They were in bed with them just before the revolutions. Now they are agreeing that they are evil. I think the people are paving the path this time.
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03-05-2011, 05:32 PM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
@Infinite

Great points!

(03-05-2011, 07:04 AM)mastermg Wrote: This organized anarchy is completely against what tptb want.

Even if it is, if given enough time tptb can use the situation to further their own agenda. Sadly.

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03-07-2011, 07:16 AM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
(03-05-2011, 05:32 PM)hubbabubba Wrote: @Infinite

Great points!

(03-05-2011, 07:04 AM)mastermg Wrote: This organized anarchy is completely against what tptb want.

Even if it is, if given enough time tptb can use the situation to further their own agenda. Sadly.

True, but thats the thing! If the Libyan people take gaddafi down on their own, they can put their own government. Lets just hope the West isnt too deeply rooted in that country to mess everything up.
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04-25-2011, 03:34 PM,
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RE: In Egypt, as Everywhere, Anarchy is Order
Quote:Also I have to say, I think that doing research into conspiracies and conspiratorial subjects is good in order to become aware, but I think that the constant emphasis on all the bad shit that goes on creates kind of a pessimistic and fearful mind state in a lot of us that is counter-productive to ever building anything better than the current society and governmental structure we live under. Speaking for myself I can say that was the case for a while in my own experience. These personalities in the conspiracy research movement kind of keep us down with their constant fear mongering and negativity. Yes there's bad shit happening but as long as you have a roof over your head and something to eat you're doing better than a lot of people in the world if you think about it. I know that personally I'm doing better than my ancestors did so I refuse to buy into that negative mindset any more. Life is what you make it to a large extent, no person can control you and ruin your life unless you let them short of being thrown in jail or murdered or something. I'm not just saying this to you personally but in general.

What do you mean by negativity? I'd rather call it reality instead!

That's what I see with my own eyes! That's what's happening around me!

You refuse to buy into that negative mindset, OK, great, and so do I, but what did you do about it? What's your plan to save your soul from the overwhelming chaos?


Quote:If the Libyan people take gaddafi down on their own, they can put their own government. Lets just hope the West isnt too deeply rooted in that country to mess everything up.

If Libyans are left to their own what kind of government do you imagine they would get? What's their agenda?

Democracy for example?!

And what do you mean by 'let's hope the west isn't deeply involved'?

Ever read the green book? And what about a little revolution? What about a little war? Isn't that enough?!

One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses not to take medicine...
William Osler
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