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Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
02-14-2011, 05:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-15-2011, 09:20 PM by Infinite.)
#1
Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
The source of Big Lie technique is this passage, taken from Chapter 10 of James Murphy's translation of Mein Kampf:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.
All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

In that same chapter, Hitler accused "the Jews" of what he claimed was their use of the Big Lie.
- source

It kind of annoys me how people always paraphrase this quote while leaving out the fact that he was talking about other people lying, specifically the Jews, as opposed to saying that he was the one employing this propaganda technique. I'm not a fan of Hitler at all, it's just intellectually dishonest. I'm bringing it up because I was just listening to an audio file from Leonard Horowitz where he cited the quote in this misleading context.
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02-14-2011, 11:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2011, 11:40 AM by pax681.)
#2
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
Goebbals use it too
Goebbals .. a nazi shithead Wrote:“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_you_tell_a_lie_big_enough_and_keep_repeating/345877.html

you can check out the big lie section at wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
tbh it's been used by MANY governments and always will be.
btw, just because many have quoted it out of context doesn't change the fact hitler was a mass murdering nasty evil fuckhead.
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02-14-2011, 05:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2011, 05:49 PM by Infinite.)
#3
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
Yeah but the fact that Hitler was a mass murderer doesn't change the fact that people cite the quote out of context. Thus lying themselves.
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02-14-2011, 06:04 PM,
#4
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
(02-14-2011, 05:48 PM)Infinite Wrote: Yeah but the fact that Hitler was a mass murderer doesn't change the fact that people cite the quote out of context. Thus lying themselves.
lots of people quote many things out of context all the time.
it's the stock in trade of politics and some historical revisionists and of many people in debate.
on many occasions is does indeed make them out to be talking bollocks, i'll give you that, certainly. however it doesn't mean that the essentials of what they have to say are not true, regardless of the fact the quote is out of context.
personally i like to quote IN context and try as hard as i can to gt it right.
i don't always succeed but the intent to be as factual as possible is there.
but that's me personally bud

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02-14-2011, 07:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2011, 07:38 PM by Dunamis.)
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
JFK's "secret societies" quote springs to mind.

Quote:The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

But the next part gives far better context, and in fact makes the main reason it is often quoted (usually in "truth" related info) null and void:
Quote:But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.

Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfknewspaperpublishers.htm
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02-14-2011, 09:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2011, 09:44 PM by Infinite.)
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
Yep that's another big one! He was talking about the Soviet Union not the 'NWO'. Of course some will try to rationalize it by saying oh but the bankers funded the Communists, but it's a non-point. Kennedy was actually asking the national media to keep things secret and not report the facts about what was going on with foreign policy matters, and to propagandize more. And his assassination had nothing to do with that speech.
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02-15-2011, 12:32 AM,
#7
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
(02-14-2011, 09:44 PM)Infinite Wrote: Yep that's another big one! He was talking about the Soviet Union not the 'NWO'. Of course some will try to rationalize it by saying oh but the bankers funded the Communists, but it's a non-point. Kennedy was actually asking the national media to keep things secret and not report the facts about what was going on with foreign policy matters, and to propagandize more. And his assassination had nothing to do with that speech.

It happens a lot though, and people seem to rarely look these things up. I suppose there are sheep on both side of the fence when it comes to such issues. It's funny, I get it a lot from friends and family who clearly have difficulty questioning their reality, they never look things up for themselves. So of course, they, being the unthinking type (more often than not, though it is a generalisation for conversations sake of course, there's always exceptions), go predominately by what the mainstream media says about "conspiracy theorists".

It's funny though, I've recently taken to challenging others in such situations to actually outright name or define a conspiracy theory I believe. As they never look things up, nor really listen to me in the first place, none, not a single person thus far, can name one I follow.

Probably due to the fact that I leave theory areas to one side in my mind, and rather concentrate on conspiracies that have cold, hard facts and empirical evidence to show such. And even then, I try to concentrate on things that effect "my world", if you understand. (i.e. personally, for me, I see little point looking into UFO's until I see UFO's as something that will clearly affect my life with no question).
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

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02-15-2011, 02:43 PM,
#8
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
Wow! Awsome Quotes Keep bringing them up

Btw dunamis i think we all go through that stage with friends and family about not looking up things... I think some of them just cant take the facts or the facts become fictional or a "conspiracy" for them. its another way for them to just feel secure that these things are not real or maybe it just isnt their favourite subject lol. And unfortunatly not every one tries to be open minded in this day and age of materialism

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02-15-2011, 04:26 PM,
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
(02-15-2011, 02:43 PM)MGoku Wrote: Wow! Awsome Quotes Keep bringing them up

Btw dunamis i think we all go through that stage with friends and family about not looking up things... I think some of them just cant take the facts or the facts become fictional or a "conspiracy" for them. its another way for them to just feel secure that these things are not real or maybe it just isnt their favourite subject lol. And unfortunatly not every one tries to be open minded in this day and age of materialism

Conspiracy research is generally a negative thing and most people like to live in a deluded fantasy world of positivity. Most people assume the world to be a place of justice where people get their comeuppance even if it is not straight away and any innocent victims are argued about endlessly until some portion of the blame can be attributed to them. These delusions are key to the cognitive functioning of the average western inhabitant and when people begin to 'wake up', they usually bring this mentality with them where it manifests as someone or something is going to save the day - Jesus, 2012, karma, technology, aliens, science etc.

In other words the idea that you are contributing to the evils in this world is enough for most people to deny said evil even exists. Your tax money pays for the overseas killing and modern imperialism, your greed in chasing the latest fashion trend maintains you in the system thus further perpetuating it by chasing the very paper money they supply you with in the first place, your need to 'socialise' ensures you conform to some programming and behaviour modification in order to be accepted by others, your ignorance means you give bad advice all the time simply because you repeated the opinions of alleged experts who themselves got their information the same way, people justify overseas slaughter because the 'savages are being civilised' and I could go on.

The point is; faced with a knowledge that you contribute in some way shape or form to the things you claim to detest is enough for people to convince themselves that they are actually contributing to 'good' causes. Anyone who actually challenges this notion is castigated. For those 'waking up' who bring their Platos cave conditioning with them when they leave the cave, this manifests as attacking those who 'debunk' whatever cognitive safety functions they have built up to psychologically 'protect' themselves while researching the darker aspects of the world.

The moral of the story - 99% of all evil in this world is done with good intentions - Christians saving you from hell, killing civillians to get the dictator, the break some eggs to make an omelette mentality. Before you moan at all the big boogeymen puppets, who are put there precisely for that reason as Tony Montana said 'you need people like me so you can point your fucking fingers and say thats the bad guy', look at yourself first and foremost and be realistic. At every level the rules of the game are the same - the man who at 65 still believes the same things when he was 35, has wasted 30 years of his life. Your ultimate goal is to be as self-sufficient as possible in order to peacefully non-comply with the system, leading by example and eventually enough people will take back their power - the right to self-determination which admittedly is no utopia and materially will be worse than current living standards. Conspirators or no conspirators, modern high-tech society is producing more psychiatrists and raising the rate of suicide while diminishing humanity, yet should this not be the case in the poverty stricken regions of the world (who are in fact multiplying) according to current standards of living? Thus we have some serious thinking to do with regards to what is actually necessary to live and for most of us in the developed world that is a very alien world which exposes how inhuman we really are......

Sorry for the rant, had to get some stuff off my chest so I can revert to a numbing mindset in preparation for CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL!!!!!

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02-15-2011, 09:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-15-2011, 09:43 PM by Infinite.)
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote
I don't think that the things that you mentioned as being negative like socialization, style/fashion and technology are necessarily bad I just think that they've become bad to a large degree the way anything can. The way a knife can either be used to slice bread or kill someone. Technology is just a fact of life, when people discovered how to make a fire by rubbing sticks together it was technology. The thing is that there has to be balance and harmony among such things or else there will be dysfunction and chaos.

But lately I've also had some feelings about these issues that are more gender conscious, that would probably be offensive to those who believe in feminism (at least the modern version of it). I think that the male role is that of natural leader and that this role is degraded and suppressed by society because it's a threat to the hegemony of the state and big business. I'm not talking about that hyper-masculinity, like acting like a tough guy, but just inner strength and leadership qualities and things. That what men should be taught as youths in my opinion instead they try to beat it out of you but not letting kids be themselves and drugging them and everything. That's where everything starts if you think about it, in childhood. I don't think people are born slaves! And also I think a lot of women are lost in this modern society that expects them all to be 'independent' in ways that are probably unnatural and difficult to a lot of women!

There's this big theory that gender roles are 'socially constructed' that is put out there by the left and feminism. I don't buy into it and science actually disputes it. I always thought that the left were the big science people but actually they're just as much in denial of certain scientific principles as the right wingers who believe zealously in religion are. Because in their ideology all people are equal and not inherently different in any way, race is not an influence, gender is not an influence, etc. We're all born blank slates and all of our features are 'socially constructed' out of nowhere somehow. Actually they seem to imply that it's some sort of conspiracy and that the ruling class at some point manufactured all gender characteristics. This is the dominant ideology on the left. And who's big with the left? Public schools and teachers' unions! Yes the right wing has a big influence on society too, but they tend to favor private schools and homeschooling more, where as the left favors and influence public schools which is what most people go to. So this in my opinion anti-nature ideology is what most people are raised in.
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02-15-2011, 10:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-15-2011, 10:56 PM by pureenergy.)
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
For all you "Hitler was evil, he mudered the "jews" " crowd,

The "jews" killed 10 times more people while running the USSR then Hitler is accused of killing.

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02-16-2011, 01:49 AM,
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
Infinite wrote:
Quote:I don't think that the things that you mentioned as being negative like socialization, style/fashion and technology are necessarily bad I just think that they've become bad to a large degree the way anything can. The way a knife can either be used to slice bread or kill someone. Technology is just a fact of life, when people discovered how to make a fire by rubbing sticks together it was technology. The thing is that there has to be balance and harmony among such things or else there will be dysfunction and chaos.

I never said they were negative, I was basically saying that these things, due to the way the system is set-up, contribute to the major problems of the world. Technology is not necessarily a fact of life, otherwise humans would not have been able to survive for however long they did in a technology-less world, much like animals. Technology is essential to civilisation which is not the same as life. I'm not sure I can even agree that those things have 'become bad', that implies they had a purer purpose to begin with and were later corrupted, but I agree they can also be used in a positive manner.

I think we first have to question the 'naturalness' of civilisation itself. In a nutshell, civilisation is a system requiring management and it is from this that we derive our major problems. From its very beginnings it has been intertwined with organisation which thus creates the very inequalities many fight against. Civilisations' hierarchy has always been pyramidical in structure, with an elite class at the top whom the laws do not apply, bureaucrats beneath them managing the system on their behalf, a middle class which aspires to attain bureaucratic positions and an 'underclass' who do most of the labour and menial tasks of society. It is this underclass who comprises the majority and are generally the slaves. I know this sounds very Marxist but I think up to this point they were generally correct in their analysis, I have issue with their proposed substitutes but thats another conversation. Anyway this division of labour is necessary (for civilisation) because it means the 'better' minds can concentrate on exclusive tasks which 'improve' the system with the underclass providing the required sustenance to keep them in that situation.

It is here that the problems go much further. If the underclass is compensated to the point of no longer needing to work, who will do the menial tasks? Civilisation will itself crumble in that situation. Thus the managers must strike the appropriate balance of maintaining an inexhaustible supply of human labour and the means to keep them in that position. Therefore these people become slaves. Slaves however at some point rebel against the system so over time techniques have been developed that appease them and give them some rights in order for them to keep coming to work.

Applying this to modern life, this is why schools are designed to fail students - it secures the very base workers needed for another generation of 'progress'. This is why 'medicine' and all its arguments have an economic bases for their creation - you never hear about why people are sick, instead the motivator is losses to the economy and productivity through absence. Energy drinks too are marketed as being necessary to get through the days' work. Now if you were satisfied with what you have and decided to retire early its not much of an issue. However this is where 'culture' comes into play. By constantly changing what is 'cool', people chase lifestyles which as a consequence means they willingly look for work in order to receive the money to persue a lifestyle. Trends continually change to ensure the workers go to work. Of course the same scam is applied to bills and services - they require a steady stream of income to use. Forgotten amongst this is that lifestyles are also marketed to the public with the impression that they are grass-roots. All culture has a particular style of dress, slang lingo to create a family feeling, drug of choice, musical style and so on which are all economic factors.

Look through history, at its beginning those people at the bottom of the pyramid were slaves, usually prisoners of war. Indigenous populations were enslaved by a foreign group, who then imposed a religious system on the people and forced them to work constantly to keep this elite in luxury. When it came time to conquer further territories, armies were required and these warriors were given perks that arise from redistribution of the elites stockpiles. They were bribed basically to fight for these elites. When the same group took over larger regions, the barter system proved inefficient as an economic stabiliser for such landmasses. Thus gold was used due to its ability to be mined only by those with the ability to - the heads of the system. Art also gained importance at this point due to people being unable to forge fine art that was imprinted on coins. The mining operations themselves were of military escorted slave driving into the mines to work extremely long hours. Coinage was then passed in to the locals who were told it would have redeemable value. The majority of wars since then have been over economics to unify monetary systems across new territories such as the Spartan wars.

Early banking was intertwined with the priesthoods, we know this because the temples were storehouses of farming produce in the early days - farming produce being the main (but not only) economic unit of exchange. This alliance continued with coinage where the societies' deities were imprinted on the coins. Later after the lifestyle change implemented by the industrial revolution, paper money became exceedingly popular and slowly replaced gold. The banks gave out loans which supplied the common populace with the new currency and got them in the factories. Paper was key for societal management as it was easier to create than mining and more of it could be made. Its evolution will be digital currency where the state will be in total charge of savings. At all updates of currency the same excuses were given to justify the new - its too easy to steal, its 'old', it will be easier to do business etc.

Money is the first phase of effective societal management. Others become more sophisticated and include the providing of entertainment. Entertainment relieves boredom for a bored populace is inclined to rebel, thus the same billionnaire companies push various forms of entertainment which actually maintain the system hence its' great rewards.

Anyway I could carry on but what I'm saying is that this particular sytem is totally unnatural, started off as a system of slavery and has built upon those roots ever since and slowly perfecting them to the point of us not even realising it - the prison without the bars as David Icke says.

Look into the social structure of the honeybee - the queen bee has an army of workers who produce all the honey, she takes the best of it and gives the workers the worst. She also employs a system of eugenics, maintains a caste based society and even control population numbers by sterilisation. This is also the fantasized system dreamt of by the elite and you'll also find the beehive (behave) symbol employed by them too.

Infinite wrote:
Quote:But lately I've also had some feelings about these issues that are more gender conscious, that would probably be offensive to those who believe in feminism (at least the modern version of it). I think that the male role is that of natural leader and that this role is degraded and suppressed by society because it's a threat to the hegemony of the state and big business. I'm not talking about that hyper-masculinity, like acting like a tough guy, but just inner strength and leadership qualities and things. That what men should be taught as youths in my opinion instead they try to beat it out of you but not letting kids be themselves and drugging them and everything. That's where everything starts if you think about it, in childhood. I don't think people are born slaves! And also I think a lot of women are lost in this modern society that expects them all to be 'independent' in ways that are probably unnatural and difficult to a lot of women!

If you understand what I've just wrote, you'll realise that at the heart of gender equality is that at one point men were generally the slaves because they were working for an elite. That meant a large percentage of the populace were not working - women. Gender equality was merely the trick employed to enslave the rest of the populace and we've 'developed' faster ever since. Think of it in terms of the famous Edward Bernays con of using feminism to create a new consumer base for the tobacco companies' he was employed by.

You are right about things starting in childhood and metaphorically speaking, look into the beginnings of civilisation or civilisation in its child like state to understand why we have these problems.

Independance is pushed because it is part of destroying the final remnants of the tribal system - the family. Divorce rates continue to rise, single parent families are pretty normal now and pre-teen pregnancy is on the rise. Eventually, as independance is largely impossible, the state will take over the role of the family - and that includes family planning.

Infinite wrote:
Quote:There's this big theory that gender roles are 'socially constructed' that is put out there by the left and feminism. I don't buy into it and science actually disputes it. I always thought that the left were the big science people but actually they're just as much in denial of certain scientific principles as the right wingers who believe zealously in religion are. Because in their ideology all people are equal and not inherently different in any way, race is not an influence, gender is not an influence, etc. We're all born blank slates and all of our features are 'socially constructed' out of nowhere somehow. Actually they seem to imply that it's some sort of conspiracy and that the ruling class at some point manufactured all gender characteristics. This is the dominant ideology on the left. And who's big with the left? Public schools and teachers' unions! Yes the right wing has a big influence on society too, but they tend to favor private schools and homeschooling more, where as the left favors and influence public schools which is what most people go to. So this in my opinion anti-nature ideology is what most people are raised in.

The right merely educate the rulers and the left educate the workers it is as simple as that. They are both heads and tails of the same coin of civilisation. Neither are prepared to question its true master civilisation, rather they blame each other for the worlds problems and they are very correct in their analysis of each other, but like all children attach no blame to themselves.

To put it bluntly, capitalism as explained by the left is perfected by socialism. To use gangster analogies, the mafia allow you to work on their patch as long as they get a cut, the mafia demand payment from you for use of their protective services (protection from them in reality), the mafia do not allow rivals and therefore move into every service and product venture as possible, the mafia employ goons to enforce their law etc. This means the state charge income tax which employs the army and police, the state provide all social necessities mainly to stop competitors and so on.

Science was strongly in the domain of the right to begin with, mixing social Darwinism, survival of the fittest and capitalism. When one talks about 'differences', you must always put it into the context of civilisation; those alleged differences of intelligence, race etc are all about economic adaptation to the system and nothing more. All peoples are capable of the base necessities of life, anything beyond that is really the measurement of a persons ability to be a slave and follow orders safe in the knowledge that they derive little to no benefit from their labour.

The left and right merely play the oldest game known to civilisation; the clash of opposites to create the synthesis which starts the process again. Every clash results in humanity becoming less human and more machine like to the point where Marx said work will be its own reward with no need for compensation - very devious if you ask me in light of the above ideas. The trinity in religious symbolism is in fact this process, eugenics is all about creating better workers, business gives us the ideas of efficiency, religion and now science gives us meaning and on and on we go progressing towards something no one deems important to define.
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02-16-2011, 04:03 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-16-2011, 04:21 AM by Infinite.)
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RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
(02-16-2011, 01:49 AM)R.R Wrote: Infinite wrote:
Quote:I don't think that the things that you mentioned as being negative like socialization, style/fashion and technology are necessarily bad I just think that they've become bad to a large degree the way anything can. The way a knife can either be used to slice bread or kill someone. Technology is just a fact of life, when people discovered how to make a fire by rubbing sticks together it was technology. The thing is that there has to be balance and harmony among such things or else there will be dysfunction and chaos.

I never said they were negative, I was basically saying that these things, due to the way the system is set-up, contribute to the major problems of the world. Technology is not necessarily a fact of life, otherwise humans would not have been able to survive for however long they did in a technology-less world, much like animals. Technology is essential to civilisation which is not the same as life. I'm not sure I can even agree that those things have 'become bad', that implies they had a purer purpose to begin with and were later corrupted, but I agree they can also be used in a positive manner.

Definition of TECHNOLOGY
1
a : the practical application of knowledge especially in a particular area : engineering 2 <medical technology> b : a capability given by the practical application of knowledge <a car's fuel-saving technology>
2
: a manner of accomplishing a task especially using technical processes, methods, or knowledge <new technologies for information storage>
3
: the specialized aspects of a particular field of endeavor <educational technology>


When did that not exist? Hasn't it just grown throughout history? Technological advancement is inevitable as long as human beings have the capacity to think. I agree w/much of your analysis of civilization however I don't think I'm as pessimistic about it as you are. I think it's good you're going deeper with the analysis though, as opposed to the 'patriot' propaganda that much of the conspiracy research movement espouses. But I think that there could conceivably be a more harmonious existence with things like technology, commerce, education, etc. if qualities like virtue and integrity were embraced and taught to children as opposed to just blind allegiance to authority and hierarchy, materialism, etc. But it's like, we need to build these things in our own lives. We have to become the example of how we think things should be, as opposed to these people running around telling everyone to 'wake up' but not conducting themselves in a way that's motivating. And not treating people with respect and what not. Like the whole holier than thou screaming at people in the parking lot of Wal-Mart or the shopping mall with a loudspeaker rather than talking to people like humans. I'm not saying you do any of this, I'm talking about the truth movement in general. The way I see it those of us who don't like how things are with society, culture, government, etc. need to be like pioneers building a better way.
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02-16-2011, 12:15 PM,
#14
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
(02-15-2011, 10:42 PM)pureenergy Wrote: For all you "Hitler was evil, he mudered the "jews" " crowd,

The "jews" killed 10 times more people while running the USSR then Hitler is accused of killing.
oh so a bunch of avowed atheist(communists) who happened to have been of Jewish heritage~(some of them but by far NOT ALL) makes everything hitler did all sweetness and light?
i have a feeling pretty much every post you make is a godwin waiting to happen.
get a grip

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02-16-2011, 02:57 PM,
#15
RE: Hitler's "Big Lie" Quote, & Conspiracy Research/Philosophy
(02-15-2011, 10:42 PM)pureenergy Wrote: For all you "Hitler was evil, he mudered the "jews" " crowd,

The "jews" killed 10 times more people while running the USSR then Hitler is accused of killing.

What? You really need to provide documentation for your ramblings as they make no sense and have no basis in reality Using flimsy historical hearsay to support your racism is not becoming at all.
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- Karl Marx
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