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EU police forces to see British passengers' personal information
02-02-2011, 10:24 PM,
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EU police forces to see British passengers' personal information
Quote:Telephone numbers, addresses, credit card numbers, email and other details of British air travellers will be available on demand for all of the EU’s police forces, including countries such as Bulgaria and Romania where corruption among law enforcement officials is widespread.

The system, billed on Wednesday as an anti-terrorism measure, will track all travellers and will also allow any EU police officer access to the data on suspicion of a serious crime, including offences that are not a crime in Britain.

Civil liberties campaigners fear the new EU surveillance system will make Britons more vulnerable to miscarriages of justice amid growing concern over EU policing measures and the lack of safeguards or judicial standards in some European countries.

MPs have also been angered that the government is actively negotiating, alongside France, to hand over the information without first informing the House of Commons, making a “charade” of ministerial promises not give up justice powers to the EU without parliamentary approval.

Guy Herbert, of the No2ID campaign group, said the measure was about “about greed for surveillance” not fighting terrorism.

“Everything that that is needed to determine anything about you is included. It allows you to be tracked wherever you go. It enables state agencies to build a complete picture of the lives of those of us who travel and puts the information in the hands of a completely unaccountable bureaucracy,” he said.

Baroness Ludford, a Liberal Democrat MEP, said: “We must not accept 'mission creep’ whereby police and border authorities can use the data too widely, for instance in investigation of crimes which are not the most serious.”

Damian Green, the minister for immigration, defended the idea of collecting passenger name records (PNR) for all EU air travellers by 2012.

“The ability to collect and process PNR data is a vital tool for law enforcement and national security,” he said. “The government will be looking carefully at the EU directive before making a decision about whether to opt in.”

But The Daily Telegraph has learned that Britain has already effectively “opted-in” by joining France, Denmark and Sweden in negotiations with the European Commission to ensure that the PNR data is collected for all European flights, a development that has angered MPs.

Chris Heaton-Harris, a Conservative MP on the Commons European scrutiny committee, said: “I understand negotiations have to take place but I like to think, following ministerial assurances given to us, that any proposal giving justice powers to the EU would go before the Houses of Parliament.”

Bill Cash, the Conservative chairman of the Commons European scrutiny committee, said: “We are taking a very serious view of 'opt-ins' which are being put though in a way that causes us grave concern.”

Research carried out by the Open Europe pressure group has shown that the coalition government has decided not to wield its veto over European policing measures by actively “opting-in” to two thirds of EU justice proposals since last June.

“Too often, the UK’s supposed veto over joining EU crime and justice laws is only a little more than a charade and this government has continued to transfer powers over these areas to the EU at a worrying rate,” said Mats Persson, Open Europe’s director.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8299063/EU-police-forces-to-see-British-passengers-personal-information.html
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02-03-2011, 01:02 AM,
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RE: EU police forces to see British passengers' personal information
WHAT? This is a total outrage! Seriously now, they expect people to be okay with this sort of nonsense? To be able (under the law) search someone's details for things that aren't crimes here is totally wrong, but on top of that, what about corrupt officers that don't stay within the confines of what the system deems legal (as silly as some legal things may be)?

I cannot believe the British government would allow this, even in their current obvious stupidity dealing with the economy etc.

What utter morons are in charge of this nation.
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02-03-2011, 02:21 PM,
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(02-03-2011, 01:02 AM)Dunamis Wrote: I cannot believe the British government would allow this

LOL lol good one! very funny.

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02-03-2011, 10:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-03-2011, 10:20 PM by Dunamis.)
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(02-03-2011, 02:21 PM)Doc Quack Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 01:02 AM)Dunamis Wrote: I cannot believe the British government would allow this

LOL lol good one! very funny.

Actually, the full line was: "I cannot believe the British government would allow this, even in their current obvious stupidity dealing with the economy etc."

Your acting like Britain already has the Euro or something.

Martial law is one thing, big brother society is too, allowing foreign police access to peoples details, even for crimes that aren't crimes here, is totally different.
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"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

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02-04-2011, 04:15 AM,
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(02-03-2011, 10:18 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 02:21 PM)Doc Quack Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 01:02 AM)Dunamis Wrote: I cannot believe the British government would allow this

LOL lol good one! very funny.

Actually, the full line was: "I cannot believe the British government would allow this, even in their current obvious stupidity dealing with the economy etc."

Your acting like Britain already has the Euro or something.

Martial law is one thing, big brother society is too, allowing foreign police access to peoples details, even for crimes that aren't crimes here, is totally different.

The british police are part of Europol, no? The laughter was rueful of your disbelief.
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02-04-2011, 05:33 AM,
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RE: EU police forces to see British passengers' personal information
(02-04-2011, 04:15 AM)Doc Quack Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 10:18 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 02:21 PM)Doc Quack Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 01:02 AM)Dunamis Wrote: I cannot believe the British government would allow this

LOL lol good one! very funny.

Actually, the full line was: "I cannot believe the British government would allow this, even in their current obvious stupidity dealing with the economy etc."

Your acting like Britain already has the Euro or something.

Martial law is one thing, big brother society is too, allowing foreign police access to peoples details, even for crimes that aren't crimes here, is totally different.

The british police are part of Europol, no? The laughter was rueful of your disbelief.

Good point man, sorry. But of course Europol as a whole don't get to access foreigners details, they are designed for EU co-operation for known criminals and those already known to be planning major crimes.

I did find this quote from a couple of years back by Europol though, '[The] UK is the cause of EU-wide Islamic terrorism', quite funny when you consider what most here at concen are aware of. Wink
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