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They set the table. We will turn it!
01-27-2011, 03:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-27-2011, 04:14 PM by yeti.)
#1
They set the table. We will turn it!
They set the table. We will turn it.


It sums up the situation right now perfectly, IMO.

I'd love to have a T-shirt with that saying on it. I'm guessing a lot of others will too... Lets start cranking them out!!

In fact maybe it should become the official slogan of ConCen!

Anyway, consider that each of the following statements at points in our timeline, are or will be true:
  1. They set the table. We will turn it.
  2. They set the table. We are turning it.
  3. They set the table. We have turned it.
Ask yourself how you feel as you take in the truth of each statement.

They all feel pretty cool, huh?

In the next few posts I'll discuss it a little more, fleshing out the resultant truths of each phase of the process.

In the meantime, could you let me know what each statement means to you and how it makes you feel?
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01-27-2011, 08:25 PM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
yeti Wrote:In the meantime, could you let me know what each statement means to you and how it makes you feel?

I don't honestly see how wearing a t-shirt will change much aside from accruing a bit of revenue for concen and compromising some postal addresses should the site ever be legally required to divulge members' personal information.

How I feel about the analogies? I cannot believe people are even sat at the eponymous table, more like scrabbling around in the dust for crumbs to make ends meet in a growing state of panic.

Revolutions are perfect for elitists. Please name one revolution which has ultimately benefited the common people. Apologies in advance if my brevity appears as no more than thinking inside the box.

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01-27-2011, 08:57 PM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
no you have a point. violent revolutions tend to have the same people lending to whoever gets into control. I don't think its the same people in control. In violent revolutions, that evidence is usually scattered around the guillotine.

revolution is by its name a turning of a circle. the essence of revolution is not about the destination as much as the journey. if its not moving there is no revolution. the problems happen when it stops. That means concentrated, established power. whatever its politics or monetary system.....
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01-27-2011, 09:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-27-2011, 09:53 PM by yeti.)
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: I don't honestly see how wearing a t-shirt will change much aside from accruing a bit of revenue for concen and compromising some postal addresses should the site ever be legally required to divulge members' personal information.

O ye of little faith. Too little IMO...

By the way, my full name and address is available for all to see, and you're worried someone might hunt you down and arrest you because you were mailed a T-shirt?

(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: How I feel about the analogies? I cannot believe people are even sat at the eponymous table, more like scrabbling around in the dust for crumbs to make ends meet in a growing state of panic.

We built the bloody table. We will take it back from the crooks that claim they own it. If you want to hide while we do it, fine. Just stay the hell out of the way then.

(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Revolutions are perfect for elitists. Please name one revolution which has ultimately benefited the common people.

Every popular revolution has! We're not talking some minor situation here - this is for all the marbles and it's global. If we don't do it, we're doomed. We are very close to having no choice anyway.

Does it have to be violent? Of course not. The only violence will come from them.
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01-27-2011, 10:02 PM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-27-2011, 08:57 PM)rsol Wrote: no you have a point. violent revolutions tend to have the same people lending to whoever gets into control. I don't think its the same people in control. In violent revolutions, that evidence is usually scattered around the guillotine.

revolution is by its name a turning of a circle. the essence of revolution is not about the destination as much as the journey. if its not moving there is no revolution. the problems happen when it stops. That means concentrated, established power. whatever its politics or monetary system.....

We can use existing laws and customs to put the people back in charge of their own destiny.
  1. Empty the jails of people in there for pot and other bogus charges and replace them with the criminal banksters.
  2. Replace the private central banks with public central banks.
  3. Erase the bogus debt they have burdened us with.
  4. Go after every penny the banksters stole and put it in the treasury.
These 1st few steps alone will go a long way to easing the massive burden we all have right now.

Think about the level of debt the banksters have built up and placed on us in the last 3 years alone - it is so huge that it has enslaved people who haven't even been born yet. Think about that, and tell me that we can go on this way...

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01-27-2011, 10:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-27-2011, 10:32 PM by yeti.)
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-27-2011, 09:53 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: I don't honestly see how wearing a t-shirt will change much aside from accruing a bit of revenue for concen and compromising some postal addresses should the site ever be legally required to divulge members' personal information.

O ye of little faith. Too little IMO...

By the way, my full name and address is available for all to see, and you're worried someone might hunt you down and arrest you because you were mailed a T-shirt?

No, not especially. But neither do I think it is flippant to envisage a far more dictatorial political climate on the horizon. The hollywood film Minority report springs to mind for some reason, I wonder if Barrack Obama has seen it, bearing in mind his address about the preemptive "prolonged detention" of "anti govt. extremists" given just a few days ago.

(01-27-2011, 09:53 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: How I feel about the analogies? I cannot believe people are even sat at the eponymous table, more like scrabbling around in the dust for crumbs to make ends meet in a growing state of panic.

We built the bloody table. We will take it back from the crooks that claim they own it. If you want to hide while we do it, fine. Just stay the hell out of the way then.

Bored More likely we built our own prison and are our own warders, I have no interest in owning shares in the prison. Effective reform of what essentially is and what always has been, a corrupt system is unachievable - the foundations are rotten. perhaps I do have "too little *faith*, perhaps I am realist. Perhaps social disintegration and the foment of violent revolution is The *why* to why the economies are being crashed. Replace and renew the cycle, as poster rsol notes.I will stay the hell out of the way while you rally the troops then. Good luck. Do you oppose a world govt in every form? Has the idea been sullied and stolen from you? Sincere question.

(01-27-2011, 09:53 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Revolutions are perfect for elitists. Please name one revolution which has ultimately benefited the common people.

Every popular revolution has! We're not talking some minor situation here - this is for all the marbles and it's global. If we don't do it, we're doomed. We are very close to having no choice anyway.

Does it have to be violent? Of course not. The only violence will come from them.

Yes, are you really ready for such levels of chaos?

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01-27-2011, 10:54 PM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: But neither do I think it is flippant to envisage a far more dictatorial political climate on the horizon. The hollywood film Minority report springs to mind for some reason, I wonder if Barrack Obama has seen it, bearing in mind his address about the preemptive "prolonged detention" of "anti govt. extremists" given just a few days ago.

Revolution is happening simultaneously in several countries right now. More will follow. Eventually it will come to the U.S. and there is nothing Obama can do about it.

(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Bored More likely we built our own prison and are our own warders, I have no interest in owning shares in the prison.

Excuse me, but I didn't build a private central bank. I didn't build a financial system that sucks money out of the real economy and puts it in the pockets of thieves. I didn't rule that corporations are people who have more rights than real people. They did.

(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Perhaps social disintegration and the foment of violent revolution is The *why* to why the economies are being crashed.

As I said, they will be violent, we will not.

(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Replace and renew the cycle, as poster rsol notes.I will stay the hell out of the way while you rally the troops then. Good luck.

The institutions I mentioned above are the ones that can be pulled off the table and replaced in an instant with a proper banking and commercial system, without shedding a drop of blood.

(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Do you oppose a world govt in every form? Has the idea been sullied and stolen from you?

We effectively have a global movement of people in solidarity against their governments and the central and international banks. I wouldn't call that a world government. We don't need a world government.

(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: are you really ready for such levels of chaos?

I see much less chaos if it's done right.

Admit it - wouldn't you like to see years of trials of corrupt bankers ratting each other out and being sent to prison for life as their assets are stripped and returned to their victims? It would be a little more fun than another O.J trial, no?
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01-28-2011, 12:14 AM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
A ConCen store on eBay perhaps?

My t-shirt slogan suggestion:-

"A New World Order?
No thanks Satan!"

With an All-Seeing Eye behind bars, and people dancing on the flat-topped pyramid.
http://bit.ly/Nuclear_9_11_Planned_For_6_22_2012 Operation Blackjack 2012 summary.
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01-28-2011, 12:26 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-28-2011, 12:28 AM by ZeroCenter.)
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
yeti Wrote:We can use existing laws and customs to put the people back in charge of their own destiny.
  1. Empty the jails of people in there for pot and other bogus charges and replace them with the criminal banksters.
  2. Replace the private central banks with public central banks.
  3. Erase the bogus debt they have burdened us with.
  4. Go after every penny the banksters stole and put it in the treasury.
Think about the level of debt the banksters have built up and placed on us in the last 3 years alone - it is so huge that it has enslaved people who haven't even been born yet. Think about that, and tell me that we can go on this way...
Do you really think the debt is real? Hmmm...
Do you really think it is enslaving you? Think there for it is? What about think not, and therefore it doesn't? Can it be that simple? Simple yes, but takes an honorable man to put it into action.
Why do the banksters have to be put in jail when we didn't have to use their money? When did voluntary servitude become illegal? Is ignorance an excuse? Does ignorance excuse impotence? Isn't violence the act of a desperate man who feels impotent to exercise any other solution?
If the debt was created with only a stroke of a pen out of nothing, can't it equally be uncreated back into nothing?
Is the only thing giving the debt reality, our belief in it?

Isn't it time stop blaming others like spoiled children, grown up and learn how TO BE A MAN?
http://bindingthefirm.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=162&p=1563#p1563
Must we 'go on this way', when the solution is so simple even a child can understand it?
* What if the solution is simple & free?: http://www.youtube.com/nv3p
* Choose Freedom & Be the Change: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36698
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01-28-2011, 01:05 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-28-2011, 01:06 AM by icosaface.)
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
Be a man? What is your definition of a man?
We won't put bankers in jails. we will put them in rehab centers.
When did fraud become legal?
Who is it that decides what is legal and what is not?
Ignorance is an attitude.
Is a desperate man a man?
Have you written a book on how TO BE A MAN?
Who controls the armed forces?
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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01-28-2011, 04:16 AM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-28-2011, 12:14 AM)fred15 Wrote: A ConCen store on eBay perhaps?

My t-shirt slogan suggestion:-

"A New World Order?
No thanks Satan!"

With an All-Seeing Eye behind bars, and people dancing on the flat-topped pyramid.
Most people already think global oligarchy is an unthinkable joke. Further tying the very real political machinations with fictitious middle eastern mythological figures is counterproductive. The geopolitical reality needs to be decoupled from the religious fantasy if people are ever going to take it seriously. But whatever floats your boat, I guess. T-shirt activism is laughable anyway.
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01-28-2011, 08:37 AM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: But neither do I think it is flippant to envisage a far more dictatorial political climate on the horizon. The hollywood film Minority report springs to mind for some reason, I wonder if Barrack Obama has seen it, bearing in mind his address about the preemptive "prolonged detention" of "anti govt. extremists" given just a few days ago.

Revolution is happening simultaneously in several countries right now. More will follow. Eventually it will come to the U.S. and there is nothing Obama can do about it.

There have been simultaneous revolutions occurring in different places around the globe for many of the decades of the last couple of centuries at least, I get your point and hope you are right but still think there is plenty his handlers can yet do. It gives pause for thought to think how insanely violent they are already, when not even being really pushed near to the edge of their cliff. Sobering. Although I hope you are correct.


(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Bored More likely we built our own prison and are our own warders, I have no interest in owning shares in the prison.

Excuse me, but I didn't build a private central bank. I didn't build a financial system that sucks money out of the real economy and puts it in the pockets of thieves. I didn't rule that corporations are people who have more rights than real people. They did.

I agree. In terms of unchecked aggression and abuses of power, Corporate Personhood has had the much same effect on wider society as does that of anabolic steroids on many riot police personnel dealing with the problem of massed non violent protesters.

(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Perhaps social disintegration and the foment of violent revolution is The *why* to why the economies are being crashed.

As I said, they will be violent, we will not.

I don't take comfort from the thought even when reiterated.

(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Replace and renew the cycle, as poster rsol notes.I will stay the hell out of the way while you rally the troops then. Good luck.

The institutions I mentioned above are the ones that can be pulled off the table and replaced in an instant with a proper banking and commercial system, without shedding a drop of blood.

..however, this sounds infinitely much more appealing, of course.

(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 10:17 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: Do you oppose a world govt in every form? Has the idea been sullied and stolen from you?

We effectively have a global movement of people in solidarity against their governments and the central and international banks. I wouldn't call that a world government. We don't need a world government.

When chessplayer Gary Kasparov/Bronstien ran for the Duma against Putin his broad and totally unsuccessful coalition was drawn from extreme diverse groups including the left and active fascist ultra nationalist groups; my question: ..and if they had won? I know it is an example based on a national premise but right now the so called mediator in this quickening time is the UN/un. Obviously the realities of the UN's real terms influence on the world are extremely complex and it is not solely comprised of dastardly deed doers and death bringers. You would abolish all vestiges of a such on organisation? If not a world govt. then a world council but is it not inevitable that is where it would ultimately lead? Would you abolish it? Not everyone in this anticipated rising broad spectrum global revolution ( the first ) may agree that the UN should be abolished, either. jmo


(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote:
(01-27-2011, 08:25 PM)Doc Quack Wrote: are you really ready for such levels of chaos?

I see much less chaos if it's done right.

Good.

(01-27-2011, 10:54 PM)yeti Wrote: Admit it - wouldn't you like to see years of trials of corrupt bankers ratting each other out and being sent to prison for life as their assets are stripped and returned to their victims? It would be a little more fun than another O.J trial, no?

I'll gladly admit that.

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01-30-2011, 06:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-30-2011, 09:14 PM by ZeroCenter.)
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-28-2011, 01:05 AM)icosaface Wrote: Be a man? What is your definition of a man? Have you written a book on how TO BE A MAN?
No, I didn't write a book called "TO BE A MAN", but Greg (the P.I.) did and we've discussed it here:
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36181
TO BE A MAN:
http://www.archive.org/download/ToBeAMan/To-Be-a-Man.pdf
TO BE A MAN (ADDENDUM):
http://www.archive.org/details/ToBeAMan-Book2Addendum
"This specific purpose of this Addendum is to show you how the way of life described in the ␣To Be a Man␣ e-book, can be achieved, and how putting foot to path in this way can bring unparalleled joy to our lives"
"Ultimately the only way to truly move forward is to ␣know,␣ with all your heart, the simple truth. Your answers to the following questions ... may assist you in refining your mindset if necessary:
* Do you still say ␣MY name, MY license, MY birth certificate, MY mortgage, MY house, MY car,␣ ␣they sent ME a bill.␣
* Are you willing to look at yourself regardless of what you might find?
* Have you truly dissolved your old patterns of thinking? Do you blame anyone else for anything that has happened to you?
* Do you want to fight against the system; do you want to get your own back?
* Do you know what your own energetic dramas are?6
* Are you willing to forgive yourself and others because of them?
* Are you ready to cease worshiping money?
* Do you find it easy to give freely to others?
* Who do you surround yourself with?"

SUMMARY: "The difference between this process/way of life, and the myriad of other ␣truth movement␣ ␣remedies␣ as well as the commercial system itself is that the latter are invariably conflict based, whereby the necessary component is that there must always be a winner and a loser. This process however is based upon the premise that all parties obtain an outcome which at the very least means that no loss is incurred by any party to an alleged agreement or proceeding; we retain the continued use of the fruits of the earth whilst the allegedly injured party receives settlement from the true owner and liable party for the name. Even the Crown as liable party is not injured; whilst they provide you with indemnification from actions against the name, they receive the benefit of the perceived promise of your future labour to underwrite their system of credit through the birth registration process."

re: the military, war, bankers:
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* What if the solution is simple & free?: http://www.youtube.com/nv3p
* Choose Freedom & Be the Change: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36698
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02-08-2011, 09:57 AM,
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RE: They set the table. We will turn it!
(01-27-2011, 03:38 PM)yeti Wrote:
They set the table. We will turn it.


It sums up the situation right now perfectly, IMO.

I'd love to have a T-shirt with that saying on it. I'm guessing a lot of others will too... Lets start cranking them out!!

In fact maybe it should become the official slogan of ConCen!

Anyway, consider that each of the following statements at points in our timeline, are or will be true:
  1. They set the table. We will turn it.
  2. They set the table. We are turning it.
  3. They set the table. We have turned it.
Ask yourself how you feel as you take in the truth of each statement.

They all feel pretty cool, huh?

In the next few posts I'll discuss it a little more, fleshing out the resultant truths of each phase of the process.

In the meantime, could you let me know what each statement means to you and how it makes you feel?

I'm leaning more to Roger Waters "Amused to death" album.
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02-10-2011, 03:21 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-10-2011, 03:29 PM by Naturalmiztic.)
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(01-27-2011, 03:38 PM)yeti Wrote:
They set the table. We will turn it.


It sums up the situation right now perfectly, IMO.

I'd love to have a T-shirt with that saying on it. I'm guessing a lot of others will too... Lets start cranking them out!!

In fact maybe it should become the official slogan of ConCen!

Anyway, consider that each of the following statements at points in our timeline, are or will be true:
  1. They set the table. We will turn it.
  2. They set the table. We are turning it.
  3. They set the table. We have turned it.
Ask yourself how you feel as you take in the truth of each statement.

They all feel pretty cool, huh?

In the next few posts I'll discuss it a little more, fleshing out the resultant truths of each phase of the process.

In the meantime, could you let me know what each statement means to you and how it makes you feel?

The statements for the t-shirts give me the feelings of hope and empowerment...some of the ingredients needed for change. It seems most are just content with they way it is.
There's hardly any investigative journalism into the financial/commerical/economic systems, or promoting better ways to trade without a large corporate middle man. I talk to some people who understand the monetary system is monopolised, but don't know what they can do about it. The more people talk the action will happen. Hope the t-shirts get people talking more as a start then more systematic change later. Feels isolating at the moment because the majority think the current system is good and there's no other way to trade.
They actually believe that the imaginary relationships inflation rates, dollar values and employment rates and interest rates are equitably set for the majorities' benefit. Let the enlightenment begin, please.
Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage;
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free;
Angels alone, that soar above,
Enjoy such liberty.
Richard Lovelace, 1649
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