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A message from David Icke
01-23-2011, 01:31 AM,
#1
A message from David Icke
I just got this in my email today, and thought I'd share it...

Quote:
David Icke Newsletter Preview
THE NEW DELUDED HUMAN ...

... 'FORUM MAN'
The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

Firstly, let me make it clear that I am not criticising or condemning Internet forums. They can be a great source of interaction and information exchange by some very intelligent and aware people. But through this medium has emerged a mentality, what I call Forum Man, that we need to be aware of and, more than anything, Forum Man needs to be aware of.

I say 'Man' because from what I have seen this mentality is expressed mostly through the male mind, though certainly not exclusively. Forum Man sits at his computer hiding behind log-in names, often hurling abuse in all directions, and claims to be streetwise about life and world events while talking the most monumental bollocks ...

... 'Sovereign', bless him, also wheels out the headshaking mentality that I have experienced virtually the entire time I have been on this road. He says that I get programmes about me on the BBC (I don't, but fingers crossed) 'while other researchers get taken out'. I love this one. This is a step on even from the 'if you are well known you must be a front man for "them"'. Here we have reached the Twilight Zone in which to be really credible you must be dead.

These people, and they are extremely large in number, are not able to conceive of other forces at work intent on bringing down the walls of suppression and control because they are stuck firm in the conspiracy version of the victim mentality. Theirs is the world of the valiant hero who fought so bravely against all the odds with God, truth and justice on his side, but then was tragically taken out by the forces of evil, or the 'Feds', which is basically the same thing.

'Jaaaahn's dead, folks, what more proof do you need that he was right?'

'You still alive? You must be one of "them".'

It reminds me of the old ducking stool where they used to hold alleged witches under the water and if they drowned they were accepted not to have been a witch, but if they didn't die they were convicted. I think they call it Catch 22.

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01-23-2011, 01:38 AM,
#2
RE: A message from David Icke
This from the guy who doesn't want his own msg getting out, free, thru torrent sites?
uh, no thanks. If I got to pay... I aint interested. If he had the answer, he'd have a solution... freely given. Until then he wants our energy (money) to sell us something that aint producing the solution for himself.
* What if the solution is simple & free?: http://www.youtube.com/nv3p
* Choose Freedom & Be the Change: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36698
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01-23-2011, 07:33 AM,
#3
RE: A message from David Icke
Dude actually makes a good point.
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01-23-2011, 09:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-23-2011, 09:14 PM by wooway.)
#4
RE: A message from David Icke
i love the people who always say you can't complain or point out the problems unless you have the solution...
bullcrap... i rebuke that assertion.. i will inform, complain, raise hell, and point out the various problems at will,
and NO, i don't need the answer or have the solution to be permitted to do so... it's ridiculous... the world is in so deep,
no one person could ever have THE answer, or THE solution... it's too complex at this point, sad but true... there is no easy or simple
fix or way out...
only in large organization of like minded and similarly informed people can the "solution/s" be reached or
figured out...

ZeroCenter, please, please write 15 books, lecture 5+ times per year for 8+ hours over 1-2 days, be a leader in the field, and also host a volumunous website (as Icke has done)...
but DO IT FOR FREE, of course... you can't charge or your a fraud, ZeroCenter, according to your logic....

you DO realize the reason Jones, Icke, Rense, Mullins, Everard, Marrs, etc etc etc are the best, and have woke up THE MOST PEOPLE and have brought us to the fore of "conspiracy" info, right? it's because they ARE ABLE TO DO IT FULL TIME, SINCE THEY MAKE A MODICUM OF A LIVING FROM DOING IT, THEREFORE CAN DEVOTE FULL TIME TO IT....

how can you berate Icke for charging for books/video/lectures? it's his CAREER/JOB, as well as his passion/conviction/love... without the above few names I've mentioned and that are the pillars of which the conspiracy movement has been built on over the last 20+ years (not forgetting William Cooper of course), YOU WOULD NOT BE AWAKE, I ALMOST GUARANTEE IT!

so stop moaning....
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01-23-2011, 10:20 PM,
#5
RE: A message from David Icke
I appreciated the article, he makes some great points very simply. It's good to know he actually notices how things can get in forum land.

@wooway, I say good on you man, not to annoy you ZeroCenter, as we get along, but simply as that's where I stand on this issue. I'd say the major researchers save us a lot of time (sometimes) and it's us, the "students", for want of a better term, that can learn and hopefully be the ones to arrive at the solutions needed to resolve the world biggest problems. But that's just me. And I always start with "solutions" for myself, I think personal solutions (the microcosm) can directly lead to world solutions (the macrocosm).
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21

https://duckduckgo.com/
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01-24-2011, 09:32 AM,
#6
RE: A message from David Icke
At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures
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01-24-2011, 12:07 PM,
#7
RE: A message from David Icke
(01-24-2011, 09:32 AM)Infinite Wrote: At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures

Thanks for the insight.

Next.
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21

https://duckduckgo.com/
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01-24-2011, 12:14 PM,
#8
RE: A message from David Icke
(01-24-2011, 12:07 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 09:32 AM)Infinite Wrote: At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures

Thanks for the insight.

Next.

Which part of what I said was wrong? Do you believe they're shapeshifting reptiles, and that a person who advocates this theory is trustworthy/worth listening to?
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01-24-2011, 12:45 PM,
#9
RE: A message from David Icke
(01-24-2011, 12:14 PM)Infinite Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 12:07 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 09:32 AM)Infinite Wrote: At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures

Thanks for the insight.

Next.

Which part of what I said was wrong? Do you believe they're shapeshifting reptiles, and that a person who advocates this theory is trustworthy/worth listening to?

Oh, come on, I was merely trying to have a laugh in the same air of humour. But now that you mention it, what does someone being slightly nuts have to do with their trustworthiness? Your saying half my family aren't trustworthy based on that line of reasoning. Actually, scrap that, 80% of my family (and I don't just mean immediate).

Clearly I don't follow the reptilian line, but I don't discount everything a person says based on a single area, unless it's one such as Zionism, though even a Zionist would probably still have some good cooking tips that are trustworthy enough Wink

What's the saying, "Don't chuck out the baby with the bathwater".
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21

https://duckduckgo.com/
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01-24-2011, 06:20 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-02-2011, 01:42 AM by ZeroCenter.)
#10
RE: A message from David Icke
Do you really believe Icke's info is 'valuable' and 'correct' because he charges for it? You think it saves you time? Aren't we really paying him to achieve more seminars, books, etc.? Should we really fund his failures, when there are so many free alternatives out there?
Those with empowering messages do very well without charging money (because they know money is the root problem, and teach such).
Ever consider the fact you are paying for more enslavement? Doesn't each bit of energy (money) given to the Icke's of the world leave us less we could have focused on solving our true problem? Isn't the only 'guru' we need the simple one that stares at us in the face every day in the mirror?
Why would I want to write a bunch of books, kill a bunch of trees to print them, waste my time entertaining people who don't want to hear the simple solution but would rather pay for more enslavement? There is already a website up, no need for me to build another one. Been in my messages for weeks. It has the simple solution already, and opens with this bit of wisdom:
"All these years of searching... Thinking we were looking for freedom... Hours of travel by plane and by car, and sitting in uncomfortable chairs at seminars by 'gurus'... Years of watching DVDs and listening to MP3s and internet groups. It turns out all we had to do to be free is just let go of the claims we were making and realise who we truly are." -Peaceful Inhabitants at Ontario, Canada
* What if the solution is simple & free?: http://www.youtube.com/nv3p
* Choose Freedom & Be the Change: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36698
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01-25-2011, 01:30 AM,
#11
RE: A message from David Icke
(01-24-2011, 12:45 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 12:14 PM)Infinite Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 12:07 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 09:32 AM)Infinite Wrote: At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures

Thanks for the insight.

Next.

Which part of what I said was wrong? Do you believe they're shapeshifting reptiles, and that a person who advocates this theory is trustworthy/worth listening to?

Oh, come on, I was merely trying to have a laugh in the same air of humour. But now that you mention it, what does someone being slightly nuts have to do with their trustworthiness? Your saying half my family aren't trustworthy based on that line of reasoning. Actually, scrap that, 80% of my family (and I don't just mean immediate).

Clearly I don't follow the reptilian line, but I don't discount everything a person says based on a single area, unless it's one such as Zionism, though even a Zionist would probably still have some good cooking tips that are trustworthy enough Wink

What's the saying, "Don't chuck out the baby with the bathwater".

I'm saying that David Icke is wrong about a lot of shit because he's unfortunately delusional. I don't even mean it in a mean way, I think he suffered a nervous breakdown years ago and has delusions about reptiles and things mixed with some things that are true.
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01-25-2011, 03:41 AM,
#12
RE: A message from David Icke
(01-25-2011, 01:30 AM)Infinite Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 12:45 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 12:14 PM)Infinite Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 12:07 PM)Dunamis Wrote:
(01-24-2011, 09:32 AM)Infinite Wrote: At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures

Thanks for the insight.

Next.

Which part of what I said was wrong? Do you believe they're shapeshifting reptiles, and that a person who advocates this theory is trustworthy/worth listening to?

Oh, come on, I was merely trying to have a laugh in the same air of humour. But now that you mention it, what does someone being slightly nuts have to do with their trustworthiness? Your saying half my family aren't trustworthy based on that line of reasoning. Actually, scrap that, 80% of my family (and I don't just mean immediate).

Clearly I don't follow the reptilian line, but I don't discount everything a person says based on a single area, unless it's one such as Zionism, though even a Zionist would probably still have some good cooking tips that are trustworthy enough Wink

What's the saying, "Don't chuck out the baby with the bathwater".

I'm saying that David Icke is wrong about a lot of shit because he's unfortunately delusional. I don't even mean it in a mean way, I think he suffered a nervous breakdown years ago and has delusions about reptiles and things mixed with some things that are true.

I know what you mean man. I trust the guy to be honest. I've seen almost everything he has put out, and read a bit of his stuff. Now, do I agree with the guy, or think he's "all there", no, far from it. I disagree with a lot of what he claims, and his changing positions of various subjects such as Jesus, his "personal mission" and of course "voices".

I also disagree with Zbigniew Brzezinski, yet have read the fascists work, so please don't take the fact that I have researched what Icke is all about as meaning I agree with the guy.

I do feel sorry for him though, and I don't think he has really received the support post breakdown that he needed, and thus is now surrounded by some quite "out there" individuals. Well, the first time I saw Icke was way back when the Antichrist Conspiracy (Illuminati Dvd's) came out with Chris Everett, and boy, does that freak you out if you are in the early days of waking up.

@ZeroCenter, no, I think everyone gets your point. If Icke were "rolling in it" you might get a few more people responding. But he's not.
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21

https://duckduckgo.com/
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01-25-2011, 02:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2011, 02:30 PM by rsol.)
#13
RE: A message from David Icke
in most peoples estimations he is rolling in it. but that besides the point. if we neglect listening to people as they earn a living doing what they do, we wouldnt get very far and anyone spreading the word who cant earn a crust while they do will not survive unless they have a job to keep them going.

That is not to say that there are people making a living out of this. I would cite those who go around selling books on UFOs etc as an example. I find there lots of sites out there these days that are basicaly about creating conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theorists. Alex jones has 2 followings for example. Those who take his words as gospel and there is the small industry sprung up claimiing hes a shill, zionist etc etc. I take both alex and david with a good heathy dose of salt but ive never seen anthing solid to assume them as controlled opposition compared to say, opposition parties in government.

Jones says EVERY moment in history is a conspiracy, Icke says the same. I cant trust this as unbiased but then was i really expecting commentary from any human being without a bias?
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01-25-2011, 04:27 PM,
#14
RE: A message from David Icke
Quote:At the end of the day David Icke is still the guy that says the ruling class people are all shapeshifting reptile creatures

Lets not forget all the other crap he "sells" to the gullible fools too. Careful though what you say about Icke and the "shapeshifters" as Those "shapeshifters" are parked with in view --in their space vehicle known as the moon.

dunamis, it is you who is guilty of "changing positions of various subjects" to suit your needs - "You trust the guy" (Icke), but you "disagree with a lot of what he claims", all in the same sentence. You trust what he says and does but disagree with almost everything he says? Whatever.

And another fail dunamis is trying to suggest that Icke isn't in it for the money or that he makes such ridiculous claims because he's crazy or something. NO, he's not crazy at all..

Zero made an excellent point and you just responded with another snide comment.

Thanks for your non insight

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01-25-2011, 05:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2011, 05:40 PM by Dunamis.)
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RE: A message from David Icke
[quote='itsaname' pid='209271' dateline='1295969242']
[quote]
dunamis, it is you who is guilty of "changing positions of various subjects" to suit your needs
[/quote]
Please, be specific. And to be honest, even if what you said were true, you wouldn't know the motivation, so let's leave the "to suit your needs" out, no one's psychic.

[quote='itsaname' pid='209271' dateline='1295969242']
[quote]"You trust the guy" (Icke), but you "disagree with a lot of what he claims", all in the same sentence.
[/quote]
Yes, and the problem you have with that is? I trust many people, but man, I don't believe everything they all say they believe!

[quote='itsaname' pid='209271' dateline='1295969242']
[quote]
You trust what he says and does but disagree with almost everything he says? Whatever.
[/quote]
NO actually, I said nothing about what he "does". I trust the guy, as a person (not source, please, you're word twisting, not necessarily his information, there is a VAST difference, but clearly you cannot differentiate.

[quote='itsaname' pid='209271' dateline='1295969242']
[quote]
And another fail dunamis is trying to suggest that Icke isn't in it for the money or that he makes such ridiculous claims because he's crazy or something. NO, he's not crazy at all..
[/quote]
Infinite was clearly the person who brought Ickes mental state into this, I simply replies. So, why you singling me out? Is it because mods can't have views not express them in your opinion?

Sad to see you are acting like your thoughtless self again.
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." -- 1 John 2:6
"Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly... This is the interrelated structure of reality." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." -- Proverbs 18:13
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Leo Tolstoy
"To love is to be vulnerable" -- C.S Lewis

The Kingdom of God is within you! -- Luke 17:20-21

https://duckduckgo.com/
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