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Chemtrails The Changing The Face Of The Planet. Finished article
01-19-2011, 07:12 PM,
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Chemtrails The Changing The Face Of The Planet. Finished article
Why on earth would anybody need aluminium resistant seeds? That is a question that should be directed at Monsanto who have developed just that. Add this to the fact that the our governments are banning and regulating our ability to grow our own food and a clearer picture starts to form. Recent testing of rain and snow give us another big clue. These tests reveal massive amounts of Aluminium, Barium and Strontium. The combination of which are changing the soil resulting in a die of around the world of plants and wildlife due to a contamination of water and soil. Anything that requires an acidic soil to grow is starting to die. If this contamination is allowed to continue we will be facing the death of all things natural. That means no more organic food, herbal medicines and the death of many of the species that we share this planet with. The world we live on will be changed forever. Let us now look at what is causing this contamination. I'm sure every one has seen streaks of white clouds trailing behind jets criss-crossing the sky's sometimes turning a clear blue sky into a murky haze. Many think these are mere vapour trails left behind when the jets pass overhead. But closer inspection tells us something different , for these trails do not dissipate in a matter of minutes like they should but spread out covering much of the sky for hours at a time. There is no other easily found answer to what is contaminating the planet we live on at an alarming rate. Take for instance that the snow on top of Mt. Shasta in California has been found to have 1,200 times the normal amount of aluminium. Where else could contamination on this mountain have come from if not from above. A growing amount of evidence is pointing to these unnatural trails left behind these jets as being the cause of the contamination. We also know thanks to the hard work of MP Norman Baker that between 1940 to 1979 the MOD (Ministry of Defence) admits to having conducted secret biological weapons trials using the British public as guinea pigs. Many of these trials involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over an unsuspecting public. A 60 page report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any inquisitive inquirer that the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution. The MOD claimed that the trials were harmless. Despite these assurances family's in certain areas of the country who had children with birth defects were left demanding a public inquiry. The report tells us that huge amounts of Zinc Cadmium sulphide was dropped on the population. While the government insists the chemical is safe, it is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the second world war was considered a chemical weapon. More than one million people were also exposed to bacteria including E.coli and Bacillus Globigii (which mimics Anthrax) , Serratia Marcescens bacteria with an Anthrax stimulant and phenol. When asked about this Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public. The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.' Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.' We see by this that through the years there have been many tests carried out above us. It seems we are considered nothing more than lab rats to be experimented on. You may ask why this is allowed to happen, what purpose they could have. We know that the HAARP program (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is experimenting with weather control and that the current overhead spraying program is part of that, but could there be a more sinister reason. That not only are they wanting to control the weather but also the food we desperately need to survive. When we look at all of the above we get a clearer picture of the future we are facing that is alarmingly not that far away. A future where we will be reliant on company's like Monsanto and there GMO foods rather than natural healthy alternatives. We are looking at the end of freedom because as Henry Kissinger once said “Who controls the food supply controls the people”.
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01-20-2011, 12:58 AM,
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The problem is Lyme Bay can be used as a strawman IMO.
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05-12-2011, 04:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-12-2011, 04:47 PM by JazzRoc.)
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'Contrailscience.com Wrote:What In The World Are They Spraying?
The documentary film “What in the World are They Spraying“, by Michael J. Murphy, attempts to promote the "Chemtrail" Conspiracy Theory (which states that long lasting contrails are actually the result of secret government spray operations), and proposes a possible explanation: that the trails part of a geoengineering project involving injecting large amounts of aluminum into the atmosphere to block the suns rays.

[Image: trailsshasta.jpg]
Multiple parallel trails over Mt Shasta, California.
Taken in 1989, ten years before the "chemtrail" operations were supposed to have begun.


The basic premise of the film is:
Normal contrails fade away quickly
Scientists have talked about geoengineering using aluminum sprayed from planes
Since 1999, trails have been observed to persist for a long time
Tests in various locations at ground level have found different levels of aluminum
Monsanto has genetically engineered aluminum resistant crops
The government denies any spraying or geoengineering is going on
THEREFORE: The trails are aluminum being sprayed as part of a secret government geoengineering project.

Normal contrails can persist and spread
That reasoning is somewhat suspect even if you accept all the points. But where it really falls down is that it’s based on a false assumption – that “normal” contrails quickly fade away. In reality, normal contrails can persist for hours, and spread out to cover the sky. Whether they do this or not is entirely dependent on the atmospheric conditions that the plane is flying through, so it depends on the weather, and on the altitude of the plane. This is something that has been observed since 1921. Just look at any book on the weather.

The aluminum tests are scientifically unsound
So the film is based on a false premise, and builds upon it to an inevitable false conclusion. But what about the aluminum tests? You can find the tests referenced in the film here:
http://contrailscience.com/files/chemtrails_basic_lab_report.pdf

Pond with low aluminum in the sediment
The film mistakenly claims the level are high by comparing them to water levels. Note the rocks (8% aluminum) that line the edges, and the bottom. The bottom line here is that they seem to be testing dirt (or dirty water) rather than water. Dirt is naturally 7% aluminum. That’s all they are finding.
The first aluminum result is from the pond, discussed at the start of part 3, and it’s 375,000 ug/l. What they don’t mention is that it’s from pond sediment, sludge. So essentially it’s not testing water, but is instead testing the amount of aluminum in soil. So that’s 375 mg/kg for sediment that has settled in a pond over several years. That’s actually quite low. Aluminum concentration in soil ranges from 0.07% to 10%, but is typically 7.1%, or 71,000 mg/kg. The amount of aluminum found in the sludge is quite easily explained by windblown dust. It’s low, probably because it’s a new pond, so a lot of the sediment is vegetable matter.
Then there are the rain readings. 33, 262, 650, 188, 525, 881, 84, 815, 3450, 2190 ug/L. Wildly different values, some high sounding, some low. But no details are provided that correlate these different numbers of contrail activity. If this variation were due to aerial spraying, then surely a match would be found. These numbers simply tell us that different tests produced different results. It does not tell us why. No details of the sampling procedure are given, or the weather conditions preceding the test. Nor are we told what are the expected levels of aluminum to be found under these conditions.
Rain water contains particulates from airborne dust. The amount of particulates will vary greatly based on the weather. A sample from a brief intense storm after a dry period would give you more particulates than a sample taken in the middle of several days of rain. The amount of particulates in the sample would also vary with how long the container is left out in the open. Dust will settle on the container if it’s left out for a while, increasing the amount of aluminum found. All these tests are really telling us is how much dust the sample was contaminated with.

How much aluminum is there in the dust?
Let’s say it’s about the same as the amount of aluminum in soil (although it’s probably higher). How much dust is there in rain? According of Edward Elway Free of the the United State Bureau of Soils, in his book “The Movement of Soil Material by the Wind“, in tests performed by Tissandier, rain water contained 25,000 to 172,000 ug/L of particulates. But he notes “As the amounts of rain and snow which fell in the various cases are not given, the figures are of little value. The first drops of a rain storm will of course contain the largest percentage of dust, and as the storm continues the air is gradually wasted clean.”. Still if only 1% of the lowest figures there were aluminum, then that’s still 250 ug/L. And at a quite plausible 10% of the upper range, that’s 17,200 ug/L. A range that easily covers the observed test results.
Tens of thousands of time the "maximum limit" for water. Sure. But you were not testing water, you were testing dirt.
The soil tests are where a typical mistake is made – conflating the percentage of the metal in one substance (soil) with the typical percentages in others. As noted, soil aluminum naturally ranges from 0.07% to 10%, and is typically around 7.1%, which is 71,000 mg/kg. The tests from Oregon (see sheet 16 in the pdf) list quite ordinary results for soil of 18,600 to 38,000. But then they note the results are “Tens of thousands of times the maximum limit for water“, which is true, but they are not testing water, they are testing soil, and it less than half the normal value for soil.
They continue this on the next page, with a low soil aluminum value of 10,500 mg/kg (just 1% aluminum), and yet note: “Near playground Sisson Elementary 300‘ away”. As if this is somehow dangerous to children. It’s just normal soil, as found in any playground, anywhere, ever.

[Image: aluminum.jpg]

There's no need to add anything. If you'd like to see the whole article, it is here:
http://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/
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05-12-2011, 05:09 PM,
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lol As i said before, you are beyond reason or hope.
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05-12-2011, 05:35 PM,
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RE: Chemtrails The Changing The Face Of The Planet. Finished article
(05-12-2011, 05:09 PM)Defendfreedom Wrote: lol As i said before, you are beyond reason or hope.

You're way too generous Defendfreedom. If it looks like a duck...
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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05-17-2011, 09:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-17-2011, 09:40 PM by JazzRoc.)
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(05-12-2011, 05:09 PM)Defendfreedom Wrote: lol As i said before, you are beyond reason or hope.

(05-12-2011, 05:35 PM)IanPotter Wrote:
(05-12-2011, 05:09 PM)Defendfreedom Wrote: As i said before, you are beyond reason or hope.
You're way too generous Defendfreedom. If it looks like a duck...

So you don't argue with the debunk. Why?

How are these arguments: "you are beyond reason or hope" and "If it looks like a duck" appropriate to

Normal contrails can persist and spread
or

The aluminum tests are scientifically unsound or

How much aluminum is there in the dust? or

Aluminum is EVERYWHERE

?


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05-19-2011, 11:06 PM,
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw-FfzplTp8&feature=player_embedded#at=24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix9-Gs_mCVs&feature=player_embedded
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05-22-2011, 10:00 PM,
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(05-19-2011, 11:06 PM)^v^hooters ex Wrote: http://

Are monkeys members here?

Is there NO bottom IQ limit to forum membership?

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05-22-2011, 10:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2011, 10:28 PM by sekular.)
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Seeing as you are still here jazzroc i think the par for intelligence has been seriously low since august 2008. lol

That website contrailscience.com tries to make out as if chemtrails do not even exist, which is laughable. If you think that all those lines from planes in the sky are from condensation then you are nuts. They are definitely not just from condensation, i think most of them are just due to poor quality fuel that causes the "exhaust" to pollute the air with carbon monoxide and other particle matter pollutants. I do also think that there has been proven cases of air planes being used to modify the weather with "seeding the clouds". I do doubt that every trail in the sky is a part of a global conspiracy to pollute aluminum and prevent co2 based climate change.

But to argue that all the plane trails are harmless condensation is ridiculous.





If it was not for catalytic converters we would SEE the pollution coming out of all the cars, like it used to be. But as the planes are up in the sky, we see the pollution linger some times.



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05-23-2011, 12:22 AM,
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Contrails are not chemtrails. Lines made from "poor quality" fuel are not chemtrails per se. Chemtrails are aerosols and are more numerous and cover more sky than contrails or lines made from poor quality fuel. If you spend six months studying what is going on over our heads you will notice that chemtrail planes do not fly the regular airport routes. They even reverse their courses. You have to spend enough time observing to notice the discrepancies.

An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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05-23-2011, 10:36 PM,
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I do not doubt that there is some weather modification programs going on, but i do doubt that every plane trail is apart of it, that is what i was trying to say.

I was driving past an airport and i noticed excessive chemtrails and i thought that it would not make sense to be spraying over an airport, so i thought it must just exhaust fumes.
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05-24-2011, 12:14 AM,
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I see your point but the sky spiders aren't big on making sense to our perspective and they don't have to abide by air traffic control rules. They have their own agenda.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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05-24-2011, 12:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-24-2011, 01:16 AM by JazzRoc.)
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(05-22-2011, 10:19 PM)sekular Wrote: Seeing as you are still here jazzroc i think the par for intelligence has been seriously low since august 2008.
Well I'm ever so glad you've arrived to raise it.

Quote:That website contrailscience.com tries to make out as if chemtrails do not even exist, which is laughable. If you think that all those lines from planes in the sky are from condensation then you are nuts. They are definitely not just from condensation
Sekular 2011.
Quote:“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.”
–Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.
Quote:“That virus [HIV] is a pussycat.”
Dr. Peter Duesberg, U.C. Berkeley, 1988.
Quote:“Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You’re crazy.”
Associates of Edwin L. Drake refusing his suggestion to drill for oil in 1859.
Quote:“A rocket will never be able to leave the Earth’s atmosphere.”
New York Times, 1936.
Quote:“Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.”
Dr Dionysys Larder (1793-1859)
Quote:“Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.”
Lord Kelvin, 1895.
Quote:“There will never be a bigger plane built.”
A Boeing engineer, after the first flight of the 247
Quote:“If excessive smoking actually plays a role in the production of lung cancer, it seems to be a minor one.”
W.C. Heuper, National Cancer Institute, 1954.
Quote:“640K ought to be enough for anybody.”
Bill Gates, 1986.

Or in other words your opinion, backed up by the "evidence" you believe you've produced, fits perfectly in with the above statements. Crap.

Quote:i think most of them are just due to poor quality fuel that causes the "exhaust" to pollute the air with carbon monoxide and other particle matter pollutants.
And yet more crap.
Combustion is of itself a SCIENCE. People have studied it in laboratories for decades for the past 130 years. There are experts in it and I'm sure if you WIKI it you'll soon see its depth of field.
There will ALWAYS be carbon monoxide and particulate materials in engine exhausts because it is IMPOSSIBLE to treat the WHOLE of the flame area equally when it has BOUNDARIES.
But comparing small reciprocating car engines with 12-foot diameter turbofans would put egg all over your face. The impurities made by the small motors are two orders of magnitude greater, for the same expenditure of fuel.

Quote:I do also think that there has been proven cases of air planes being used to "modify the weather" with "seeding the clouds".
Proponents argue this by refusing to define them. Funny that.

Quote:I do doubt that every trail in the sky is a part of a global conspiracy to pollute aluminum and prevent co2 based climate change.
Of course not. It's only the ones you can't see that do this. LOL

Quote:But to argue that all the plane trails are harmless condensation is ridiculous.
No. To have to argue that they're NOT is YOUR task. No attempt to do this has succeeded, but you're always welcome to try. You haven't so far....
There are freely-available scientific papers which are CHEMICAL ASSAYS of trails using LIDAR. They show ICE (+water+solubles). The particulates are assayed by small aircraft fitted with intakes and test equipment.
Schumann, U. “In Situ Observations of Particles in Jet Aircraft Exhausts and Contrails for Different Sulfur-Containing Fuels.” Journal of Geographical Research. 1996, Vol. 101, Issue D3.
The trace pollutants suffer a ten thousandfold dilution when they are precipitating persistent spreading trails, and that dilution would allow it to pass drinking water standards, so your claim of "pollution" is INCORRECT.

Quote:If it was not for catalytic converters we would SEE the pollution coming out of all the cars, like it used to be.
Pollution in aviation is WASTED MONEY. The airlines don't do this. There is a compromise operating between the COST of extracting the SULFUR out of petroleum versus the (notional I suspect) COST of the consequences of ACID RAIN and REDUCING POLAR OZONE PROTECTION.
If ever there was a need for public anxiety it is HERE, but are you interested?

Quote:But as the planes are up in the sky, we see the pollution linger some times.
But there is NO EVIDENCE of pollution other than you might get from burning 300M tons of hydrocarbons annually in the stratosphere. It's 3.5% of all atmospheric pollution.

What about the OTHER 96.5%? Doesn't THAT matter to you? Undecided
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05-24-2011, 01:45 AM,
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(05-23-2011, 12:22 AM)icosaface Wrote: Contrails are not chemtrails.
"Chemtrails" are mythological.

Quote:Lines made from "poor quality" fuel are not chemtrails per se.
There is NO SUCH THING as "poor quality" fuel. It's the product of a specified fractionation process as applied to PETROLEUM, and is ALWAYS physically (if not exactly organochemically) consistent. It will ALWAYS burn the same.

Quote:Chemtrails are aerosols and are more numerous and cover more sky than contrails or lines made from poor quality fuel.
Aerosols need SPRAYING EQUIPMENT. There are NO examples. Also, a tanker might carry, say 80 tons. This is a THOUSAND TIMES LESS than the weight of a transcontinental jumbo flight trail, were it to be made.

Quote:If you spend six months studying what is going on over our heads you will notice that chemtrail planes do not fly the regular airport routes.
You've spent six months studying, eh? What's the average speed of the stratosphere? Can't a trail travel 500 to 1000 miles cross-country if that speed is 50mph? How can you KNOW what you're talking about?
There aren't such things as "regular" airport routes: pilots are free to choose them for themselves. They follow beacons and "stack" near airports if there is congestion.

Quote:They even reverse their courses. You have to spend enough time observing to notice the discrepancies.
No time needed to notice yours. Where's the evidence?
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05-24-2011, 02:26 AM,
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I don't attempt to communicate with jazzroc anymore, it claims to be conversant with science but is incapeable of making observations of events taking place daily in plain sight.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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