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chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
04-22-2009, 07:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-22-2009, 07:43 PM by JazzRoc.)
#16
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Jets burn kerosine and as a result you get steam (and CO2) out of their exhausts.

High in the stratosphere, where they fly at 800 ft/sec in air at only a fifth of sea level pressure (2.94 p.s.i.) and -40 degrees Fahrenheit, this steam freezes to ice crystals in about a twentieth of a second.

Depending on the humidity of the layer the airplane flies in, with low humidity the crystals sublime to invisible water vapor, with high humidity the crystals cannot take that route, and must remain. Unfortunately, when very pure, the layer may harbor an even greater proportion of water vapor. It is then known as supersaturated, and the passage of the airplane through a layer in this state may cause the wings, body and tail of the plane to each precipitate out ice, while the exhaust ice particles may gain weight by a factor of ONE to TEN THOUSAND TIMES.

This can mean that a single 3000-mile jumbo flight can precipitate 80,000 TONS of ice - all on its own.

At a height of seven miles such a trail may expand to TEN KILOMETRES WIDE by ONE KILOMETRE DEEP.

At a distance of 200 miles or so from an observer this ten-kilometre-wide trail may appear to TOUCH THE HORIZON, but of course it HAS NOT COME DOWN. (Much.)

Trails DO fall, but their speed is in fractions of a metre per second - initially.

As the ice crystals fall, they are cooling (the tropopause is beneath them and it is the coldest point of the lower atmosphere), so there is no chance of them descending as rain. However, lower layers may be drier, and there the trails will finally sublime away to vapor.

The water vapor tends to remain in the stratosphere (as there is NO raining-out process) and aviation is always adding a million tons more of it each day.

THAT IS WHY there are more persistent trails now than there were in the fifties. THERE IS FIFTY TIMES MORE AIR TRAFFIC.

And you crowd, who could have picked this up in a day's reading at a good public library, have to make out like CHICKEN LITTLE.

How much brain does a chicken have? I'm asking YOU because YOU know...

Why don't you:RTFM:, chickens?
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04-22-2009, 11:33 PM,
#17
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Quote:Jets burn kerosine and as a result you get steam (and CO2) out of their exhausts.

High in the stratosphere, where they fly at 800 ft/sec in air at only a fifth of sea level pressure (2.94 p.s.i.) and -40 degrees Fahrenheit, this steam freezes to ice crystals in about a twentieth of a second.

Depending on the humidity of the layer the airplane flies in, with low humidity the crystals sublime to invisible water vapor, with high humidity the crystals cannot take that route, and must remain. Unfortunately, when very pure, the layer may harbor an even greater proportion of water vapor. It is then known as supersaturated, and the passage of the airplane through a layer in this state may cause the wings, body and tail of the plane to each precipitate out ice, while the exhaust ice particles may gain weight by a factor of ONE to TEN THOUSAND TIMES.

This can mean that a single 3000-mile jumbo flight can precipitate 80,000 TONS of ice - all on its own.

At a height of seven miles such a trail may expand to TEN KILOMETRES WIDE by ONE KILOMETRE DEEP.

At a distance of 200 miles or so from an observer this ten-kilometre-wide trail may appear to TOUCH THE HORIZON, but of course it HAS NOT COME DOWN. (Much.)

Trails DO fall, but their speed is in fractions of a metre per second - initially.

As the ice crystals fall, they are cooling (the tropopause is beneath them and it is the coldest point of the lower atmosphere), so there is no chance of them descending as rain. However, lower layers may be drier, and there the trails will finally sublime away to vapor.

The water vapor tends to remain in the stratosphere (as there is NO raining-out process) and aviation is always adding a million tons more of it each day.

THAT IS WHY there are more persistent trails now than there were in the fifties. THERE IS FIFTY TIMES MORE AIR TRAFFIC.

And you crowd, who could have picked this up in a day's reading at a good public library, have to make out like CHICKEN LITTLE.

How much brain does a chicken have? I'm asking YOU because YOU know...

Why don't you:RTFM:, chickens?

Funny, I've wriiten several articles that have been published and translated in many different languages on poultry, some on their intelligence. It might amaze you how smart they actually are, but that is not what is at hand now is it.

You refer to high altitude, we discuss low altitude, also not in reference.

Newton's law, what goes up must come down, so yes, it must at some point either come back down, even if it is attached to another particle. If there is millions of tons of water left up there, we must have a shield visible at some point. Also, there would be our water shortage fixed. lol

Why don't helicopters leave this trail? Remember, we're talking about low altitude and not high. :signs038:


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04-23-2009, 11:13 PM,
#18
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Quote:You refer to high altitude, we discuss low altitude, also not in reference.
You may discuss low altitude if you're above the Arctic Circle or below the Antarctiv Circle: it is temperaure that's important to freeze steam to ice, and the presence of humidity which prevents the ice from subliming to water vapor.

Quote:Newton's law, what goes up must come down, so yes, it must at some point either come back down, even if it is attached to another particle.
Water vapor need NEVER come back down - so once again you aren't correct.

Quote:If there is millions of tons of water left up there, we must have a shield visible at some point. Also, there would be our water shortage fixed.
There IS millions of tons of water up there, but as vapor it can always stay up there - indefinitely.

Quote:Why don't helicopters leave this trail? Remember, we're talking about low altitude and not high.
They DO leave a trail when the temperature is -40.

You're talking bullshit about trails - because they are ice - and because the plane HAS to be at or near or above the tropopause (26,000 feet) for it to lay down a trail in the US.

This is where you see them - and then you claim them to be low - because you have no means of judging altitude.

This sort of absurd claim has been made for years now with never a sign of evidence to back it up. Ever.
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04-24-2009, 12:07 AM,
#19
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Well I'll give you the altitude judgement part but...

James E. Phelps studied electrical engineering at the University of Tennessee http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/jimphelps.html

Whole view http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html

Hard evidence http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/unsolved.shtml

Other http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000014.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/

Helicopters http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=7224

Evidence of intent, etc - http://willthomasonline.net/willthomasonli...Timeline_3.html

:popcorn:
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04-24-2009, 12:23 AM,
#20
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And more http://unfuture.org/?p=2938

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...aw/4208958.html

http://www.cbwinfo.com/Chemical/Blood/AC.shtml

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04-25-2009, 02:00 AM,
#21
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Hey JR, check this out (and everyone else interested)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRFbOe38Y1U...09&index=11
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04-25-2009, 06:26 AM,
#22
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Excellent, thanks
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04-25-2009, 06:51 PM,
#23
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Your welcome:)
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04-25-2009, 09:27 PM,
#24
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Why, MG, you should turn up this discreditable piece of work AGAIN beats me.

Are you as dumb as Dubyah?

Haven't you noticed it has been debunked? IE it is lying bullshit.

Do you identify yourself with lying bullshit?

Is lying bullshit absolutely YOU?
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04-25-2009, 09:57 PM,
#25
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Is close minded, eyes closed, utter stupidity what you are all about jazzrroc?
Are you so egotistical as to think that you could spew TIA propaganda cover stories at us and have us admit that 2 plus 2 equals 5?
1984 was a book not a reality.
Chemtrails are spewed over our heads on a daily basis. The planes are not, for the most part if at all, commercial carriers. They do not fly commercial routes and they do not obey flight rules, such as crisscrossing within seconds of other planes. Wait a minute, am I silly enough to think anything I say to you, assuming you are one person, would cause you to actually think?
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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04-28-2009, 02:18 PM,
#26
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Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Funny, they are calling for rain tomorrow and we watched them checkerboard the sky today. The few pretty days, they didn't. Maybe rather than modifing the weather, they are using it.
Or maybe you don't see that approaching humid weather first brings on contrails and then rain...


No, just going on what a doctor said, his training, his observation, and his vast experience. Very few chemical related factories are here, population is sparce and thus less pollution. We're not anywhere close to a major or minor airport and not in the traffic lane for others.

can i ask what the experience with these factories was? or what the factories are? and why have they not been looked into? you might have your culprit there.....
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04-28-2009, 02:32 PM,
#27
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Whether its contrail or chemtrail, I figure more chemtrail than contrail because they do look different. And contrails disappear fairly quickly. But I too have noticed on some days those grid-like/tic tac toe looking patterns were a lot lower than normal. This past weekend I was outside doing some yard work and they seemed to be no more than a couple hundred feet up. Well below the altitude that im used to seeing any planes over here. And this is a pretty high traffic area.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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04-28-2009, 05:13 PM,
#28
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Funny, they are calling for rain tomorrow and we watched them checkerboard the sky today. The few pretty days, they didn't. Maybe rather than modifing the weather, they are using it.
Or maybe you don't see that approaching humid weather first brings on contrails and then rain...


No, just going on what a doctor said, his training, his observation, and his vast experience. Very few chemical related factories are here, population is sparce and thus less pollution. We're not anywhere close to a major or minor airport and not in the traffic lane for others.

can i ask what the experience with these factories was? or what the factories are? and why have they not been looked into? you might have your culprit there.....

The worse was BASF in Lowland, been closed about over 20 years and now being torn down. Great Lakes Chemical about 10 years in another county. That was about the extent of chemical corporations. They did have a huge effect on employees that worked there.
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04-28-2009, 05:36 PM,
#29
chemtrail spraying altitude gradually getting lower ?
Why do you keep bleating off about contrails JR? Nobody denies contrails, and I don't think anybody really needs a lesson
in their formation either.
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04-29-2009, 02:32 AM,
#30
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Quote:Why, MG, you should turn up this discreditable piece of work AGAIN beats me.

Are you as dumb as Dubyah?

Haven't you noticed it has been debunked? IE it is lying bullshit.

Do you identify yourself with lying bullshit?

Is lying bullshit absolutely YOU?
What do you mean again? Ive only posted it once and have only seen it once.

Dumb? Well im not doing too well in thermodynamics class so I guess I am dumb.

I didnt know it was debunked, you could have atleast posted it.

No I dont, Ill ask it back at you.

No, why is it you? :rolleyes:
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