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"Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
12-08-2010, 09:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-08-2010, 10:01 PM by h3rm35.)
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"Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/07/cryptome_on_wikileaks/
Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries - Cryptome

Private enterprise not public interest

By Andrew Orlowski (andrew.orlowski@theregister.co.uk)

Posted in Security, 7th December 2010 12:27 GMT

Wikileaks has always been a commercial enterprise hiding behind a narcissistic "public interest" PR, says Cryptome operator John Young in a scathing critique of the site.

Whistleblower site Cryptome began publishing documents in 1996 [1], incurring the wrath of UK and US governments. The archive endures. Young was invited to be the "public face" of Wikileaks at the formation of the venture, but declined. Now Young believes Wikileaks is selling its secrets for commercial gain. Speaking to US talk radio, Young compared Julian Assange to Henry Kissinger, and other "spook insiders" who have turned their insider knowledge into a lucrative sideline.

"What has been released has been much less voluminous than the attention about them," said Young. "The goal is to exaggerate the importance of Wikileaks".

From the earliest discussions, Young alleges, Wikileaks intended to pimp out the information for funds.

"Well, it only came up in the topic of raising $5 million the first year. That was the first red flag that I heard about. I thought that they were actually a public interest group up until then, but as soon as I heard that, I know that they were a criminal organisation.

"Assange is a narcissistic individual," claims Young. "Wikileaks is willing to sacrifice Bradley Manning and anyone else to advance their own interests."

In a posting to the nettime mailing list [2], Young added:

"The free stuff is meant [to] lure volunteers and promote high-profile public service, lipsticked with risk, with the enterprise funded by selling costly material sold on the black market of worldwide spying in the tradition of public benefit ops, ID, spies and ever more spies. No better customers for illicit information that [sic] those with depthless pockets.

"Soros and the Kochs have their lesser-known Internet promoters backing Wikileaks generously. And they expect good return on their investment, not just the freebies used to attract attention."

Writing last month, Young shared his disgust at Wikileaks' similar tactics to advertising-supported or state-supported media - which Young claims cannot be trusted by definition.

"Wikileaks lies as much as the media, indeed, exactly in the advertising format of the media. Its consumers like it for that very reason. It rides the wave of imaginary disgust with MSM and governments, but it has not modified the formula of braggardy and drama essential to capture eyeballs and through eyeballs, minds and hearts."

But Young includes all advertiser-supported media in the camp of the discredited ... and himself.

"Think Archive.org, think Wikipedia, think Google, think this list and your crafty mangy boil-ridden carcass. Mea culpa," he adds. ®
Related Links

JY on WND (audio) [3]
JY at Nettime [4]
Links

1. http://cryptome.org/cryptome-archive.htm
2. http://mail.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/2010-December/002495.html
3. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=236345
4. http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1012/msg00020.html

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WikiLeaks – State Secrets or Clever Tactics?

December 8, 2010

By Claude Salhani

Is the US Government Machiavellian enough to orchestrate the recent brouhaha over the so-called website WikiLeaks, is this a real embarrassment, or will it indeed be damaging as some U.S. diplomats claim?

I am not one to support conspiracy theories but when you stop to analyze the content of the information that was leaked it seem that two things emerge: first, the content of the cables were not so earth shattering as to damage national security, or harm Washington’s relations with other countries.

Second, upon further analysis, it would appear that the information revealed instead sends a strong message to America’s foes.

Much of what has been released in those cables is hardly news in any real sense of the word. Take for example the report that the US has been spying on its friends as well as on its foes and that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered diplomats to assemble information on their foreign counterparts. Let’s get real. Friends have been spying on friends ever since man has been involved in conflict.

Espionage between nations — both friendly and less so — can probably be traced back to the time when the first group of cavemen realized they could use clubs as weapons. All intelligence services will, as a matter of fact, gather information on whoever and whatever they can. This is what intelligent services do. The trick is not to get caught.

Did Israel not spy on the United States, its staunchest ally, and without whom Israel would have a hard time sustaining itself. The most infamous of Americans spying for Israel is a former US Navy civilian, Jonathan Pollard, who passed classified information to Israel. Pollard is now serving a life sentence for treason. While Pollard may have become the focus point of the US-Israeli espionage dossier, other incidents have gone largely unnoticed.

One report aired by Fox News states that “According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of A (Israel) conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the US of any US ally.”

Indeed, since the 2001 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained under the new Patriot Act or for immigration violations. Among them were active duty officers in the Israeli army.

All theatrics of embarrassment by the US Department of State aside, the release of such information accomplishes a dual purpose.

Many countries in the Middle East are more concerned about Iran’s nuclear program than they have publically admitted. The information contained in one cable states that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has asked the United States a number of times to “cut the head of the snake,” when talking about Iran and its nuclear program. Other Arab leaders from Jordan, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates had similar concerns.

First, these cables demonstrate to Iran that its Arab neighbors are extremely concerned with the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program. And second, it forces the Arab countries in question to perhaps take a more transparent stand vis-à-vis Iran.

This information hardly places the security of the United States in jeopardy. As for the embarrassment that the State Department will have to deal with for “insulting” foreign leaders, once again, no great state secrets were revealed. The most “damaging insult” was directed at – surprise, surprise-the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is described as “an emperor with no clothes,” and with a “thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style.” Also of no great surprise are the words reserved for Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. He is referred to as “feckless, vain, and ineffective as a modern European leader,” who has a soft spot for “frequent nights and penchant for partying hard.” Both European leaders would probably consider those statements as complements rather than criticism. The German Chancellor might find her description somewhat harsh as someone who is “risk aversive and rarely creative.” As for Russia’s President, Dmitry Medvedev, he “plays Robin to Putin’s Batman.” Once again Paris, Rome, Berlin, and Moscow are hardly about to recall ambassadors over such revelations.

Nor is the report that Hezbollah continues to enjoy the weapons patronage of Syria nor that despite a promise from Syrian president Bashar Assad to the United States that he wouldn’t send “new” arms to the Lebanese militant group, the United States said it had information that Syria was continuing to provide the group with increasingly sophisticated weapons.

The question here is who leaked the information and what do they stand to gain from it? If the cables were leaked by the U.S. government, was it to prove that the United States is not the only one to adopt double standard when it comes to Middle East politics? The alternative would indeed be an embarrassment.

By. Claude Salhani for OilPrice.com who provide news and analysis on oil prices, alternative energy, commodities and finance. To find out more visit http://www.oilprice.com

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12-09-2010, 02:05 PM,
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RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
lesser known leaksite calling more known leaksite names? have we had something like that happen to us?
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12-10-2010, 12:05 AM,
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RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
i did a little digging. cryptome leaking wikileaksSmile

http://cryptome.org/wikileaks/wikileaks-leak.htm

im just going to post the last few bits. you can get a weekend together to read the rest.

From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:03:34 +1100
To:

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]



the wl.org front page + blurb is seeing many, many quotes and
reposts (including of the logo). I understand it was done quickly and
needs thoughtful polishing to have the needed psychological effect.
e.g there is an obvious missing word. Please send in comments /
modification suggestions.

A lot of people are requoting/posting/blogging based on this first
page only, and using the ease of ignorance to promote their agenda.
Most attacks are along the lines of "will be used to leak forgeries
etc", which is robustly answered in the faq. This should probably go
into the front page.

Thoughts?



From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:33:40 +1100
To:

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]



Can someone volunteer or find someone trustworthy who will to help
update / maintain the current website?

In addition we need to rapidly transition the current holding website
into a regular (i.e not wikileak style) mediawiki website, so it's
easy for all of us to add and correct content, but also for
psychological reasons.

Is someone happy to run that on a reliable server they control?



From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:47:28 +1100
To:

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]

> Interesting question. MySociety recently released
> http://www.commentonthis.com/ - they're a nice bunch, I'm sure they'd
> share the code with us if we asked.

That's great! Although it needs careful thought about how to
integrate it with mediawiki.

I wonder if they'd help integrate it?



To:
From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:46:09 +1100

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]


Some people may be wondering about the unusual names on this list.
There are xxxxxxxxxxxxx people on this list. Everyone is personally known and
trusted by, or is, the founding group.

How much will YOU pledge to WL (in matched pledging or otherwise) for
its next six months of activities? We can succeed at a slower / scale
limited way with under $50,000 / year & volunteers, but it is our
goal to raise pledges of $5m by July. Smaller pledges can be used in
ways that will generate larger ones, so there's an amplification on
any early contribution.

We've noticed at least one blog saying that we appear to be a
stalking horse for Soros. This is excellent and part of our strategy
for division and support. When the media blitz hits next week, we'd
like to make concurrent initial requests to many funding bodies.
Additionally, we have a Davos leak with personal contact details for
all attendees.

We need people to: 1) investigate the contraints various funding
bodies place on organizational structures
2) write draft letters of
initial approach
3) work on a statement of
principals / constitution which
will satisfy donors,
confuse and disarm opponents,
yet at the same time will
prevent the WL public organizations
from being enslaved by the
source of their beads.
4) we want to incorporate in
multiple jurisdictions -- where?
how will these bodies
relate to each other?
5) the people who worked on the
prototype are now
completely diverted by
managing the politics.
That's ok for a couple of
weeks, but we can not expect
the political demands to
return to the level they were
before. They need help in
both worlds.
6) More work on the FAQ, keeping
up the face of inspiration
without antagonism

Solidarity!
WL



To:
From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:29:23 +1100

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]



Fwd from xxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

We should be consistent in our use and invention of language. A word
or a phrase extracts meaning from its resonance with other usages and
our experiences. For instance in the FAQ we sometimes use the phrase
"ethical leaking". Should we always use this phrase? 'leak' by itself
carries a negative. 'ethical' a strong positive. 'ethical leaking' a
positive. But it does isolate 'leaks' as being non-ethical unless we
stick 'ethical' on them. Can we make a movement from this phrase and
others? 'The ethical leaking movement'. Powerful. Can it survive the
heat of our vision?

We must find our own 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' s -- blessings and
sanctifications that even our most diseased and demonic opponents
will find themselves chanting to each other in the night.

We need a phrases for 'leak facilitator', 'mail drop volunteer',
'ethical leaker', 'wl server operator' etc, etc.



To:
From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:09:19 -0500

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]



For the coming media storm next week, we need time zone local
telephone contact points, with number (but not name) listed
on WL.ORG.

In interviews, this just means explaining/interpreting the "official
position" that's written up on wl.org. You always represent yourself
-- someone who's an interested party "on the advisory board", but do
not speak for wl as a whole. If they ask what about X and it's not on
WL.ORG etc, then give can your personal opinion if you think it's
helpful, but re-iterate that you're speaking for yourself.

This delegation carries some risks (to wl), but we are in a romance
with journalists hearts; if our voices sweet are not easily reachable
on the phone when their desire and deadlines peek, others voices,
less honeyed but always, always available will replace them.

[Names below deleted by Cryptome.]

xxxxxx, are you happy to handle the UK?

xxxxxx / xxxxxx -- central europe?

xxxxxx / xxxxxx us west coast?

jya, is there someway we can obscure you for the east coast?

xxxxxx/xxxxxx are you happy to handle Tiawan/SEA and Mandarin language
interviews? Lim, do you speak cantonese too?

xxxxxx -- africa?

xxxxxx / xxxxxx / xxxxxx -- oz/english asia?

xxxxxx, are you still busy with your conference?



Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:58:04 -0800
To:
From: John Young

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]


Announcing a $5 million fund-raising goal by July will kill this effort. It
makes WL appear to be a Wall Street scam. This amount could not be
needed so soon except for suspect purposes.

Soros will kick you out of the office with such over-reaching. Foundations
are flooded with big talkers making big requests flaunting famous names
and promising spectacular results.

I'd say the same about the alleged 1.1 million documents ready for
leaking. Way too many to be believable without evidence. I don't believe
the number. So far, one document, of highly suspect provenance.

Instead, explain what funding needs there are and present a schedule
for their need, avoid generalities and lump sums. Explain how the funds
will be managed and protected against fraud and theft.

Instead, operate on a shoe-string for a few months, best, for a couple
of years, establish WL bonafides by publishing a credible batch of
documents for testing public feedback and criticism. Show how to
handle the heat of doubt and condemnation. Use that to support
fund-raising.

At moment there is no reason to believe WL can deliver on its
promises. Big talk no action, the skeptics say.

BTW, the biggest crooks brag overmuch of how ethical their operations
are. Avoid ethical promises, period, they've been used too often to fleece
victims. Demonstrate sustained ethical behavior, don't preach/peddle it.



Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:21:34 -0800
To:
From: John Young

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]


Addendum:

The CIA would be the most likely $5M funder. Soros is suspected
of being a conduit for black money to dissident groups racketeering
for such payola.

Now it may be that that is the intention of WL because its behavior
so far fits the pattern.

If fleecing the CIA is the purpose, I urge setting a much higher
funding goal, in the $100M range and up. The US intel agencies
are awash in funds they cannot spend fast enough to keep the
Congressional spigot wide open. Academics, dissidents, companies,
spy contractors, other nation's spy agencies, whole countries, are
falling over themselves to tap into this bountiful flood. But competition
is fierce, and accusations of deception are raging even as the
fleecers work in concert.

Chinese dissidents -- a brand name among many -- are already
reaping huge benefits from covert funding from the US and from
the PRC, along with others in the former Soviets, in Africa and
South America, inside the US, UK and Europe, in the Middle East
and the Koreas, who know how to double-cross ditzy-rich Dads
and Moms.

In solidarity to fuck em all.



From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:26:00 -0500
To:

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]


Advice noted. We'll polish up our sheers for cutting fleeces golden.

> Addendum:
>
> The CIA would be the most likely $5M funder. Soros is suspected
> of being a conduit for black money to dissident groups racketeering
> for such payola.
>
> Now it may be that that is the intention of WL because its behavior
> so far fits the pattern.
>
> If fleecing the CIA is the purpose, I urge setting a much higher
> funding goal, in the $100M range and up. The US intel agencies
> are awash in funds they cannot spend fast enough to keep the
> Congressional spigot wide open. Academics, dissidents, companies,
> spy contractors, other nation's spy agencies, whole countries, are
> falling over themselves to tap into this bountiful flood. But
> competition
> is fierce, and accusations of deception are raging even as the
> fleecers work in concert.
>
> Chinese dissidents -- a brand name among many -- are already
> reaping huge benefits from covert funding from the US and from
> the PRC, along with others in the former Soviets, in Africa and
> South America, inside the US, UK and Europe, in the Middle East
> and the Koreas, who know how to double-cross ditzy-rich Dads
> and Moms.
>
> In solidarity to fuck em all.
>



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To: Wikileaks
From: John Young
Subject: Re: [WL] Funding / who is on this list.
Date: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:47:00 -0500

Cryptome is publishing the contents of this list, and how I was induced to
serve as US person for registration.

Wikileaks is a fraud:

[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g.
Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'.
This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer
and plenty of backbone.]

Fuck your cute hustle and disinformation campaign against legitimate
dissent. Same old shit, working for the enemy.


From:
Subject: Re: [WL] Funding / who is on this list.
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:36:29 -0500
To: John Young

Heh.

John, please do not do that. If you're wondering about the WL, the
list has grown and there were enough accidental wl mentions [e.g in
the somali document and a cc] that not mentioning it became of little
additional obscurity especially since you're receiving the mail. No
one has bothered to change the warning which after all doesn't really
hurt.

Even if you think we are CIA stooges, you can't treat everyone on the
list that way.


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12-10-2010, 07:11 AM,
#4
RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
Cryptome leaks everything they get their hands on when they get their hands on it. I have a lot more respect for John Young. He was consulted on the creation of wikileaks, and supported them for a long time. He started getting a bit more critical durring the Bradley Manning fiasco, and my guess is that he's got his informed reasons for the degradation of his impression.

check out this thread.
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=33504&highlight=bradley+manning%2C+greenwald
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12-10-2010, 09:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2010, 09:43 AM by rsol.)
#5
RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
well judging from the emails its alot to do with the raising of funds....or at least this 5m figure features near the end. im not going to post the entire list but i think we may learn more from this.

ill work on this. if you want to have a look. Im feeling its a bit of over paranoia as it echos alot of concen in places. I think he is suspicious but i dont think he has the evidence for over suspicion. They have been "responsible" with the leaks a bit too much for him from what i can see, working with the media rather than against it. Some of us think the whole system is complicit rather than comprimised.
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12-11-2010, 01:39 PM,
#6
RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
ok ive gone down to about half way......... ive not seen anything of value so far. all very bland. ive got a xmas do at work so ill probs work down to the bottom on sunday. If anyone else is on this please post your findings.
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12-12-2010, 06:34 AM,
#7
RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
(12-11-2010, 01:39 PM)rsol Wrote: ok ive gone down to about half way......... ive not seen anything of value so far. all very bland. ive got a xmas do at work so ill probs work down to the bottom on sunday. If anyone else is on this please post your findings.

gone down to about halfway on what?
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12-12-2010, 02:00 PM,
#8
RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
http://cryptome.org/wikileaks/wikileaks-leak.htm
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12-12-2010, 10:23 PM,
#9
RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
@h3rm35 RE: Wikileaks

Covered all of that many months ago re-hashed news. Surprised it isn't more than John Young stepping up on this one - no other first hand corroboration except when Assange himself hints at it and they play peek-a-boo / hide and seek with their funding disclosure. The Guardian writer is really trying to polarize a subsection on this angle.

I've said my piece for those that had eyes that wished to see on other threads.

I don't do re-run stepped up installation programs anymore.

I do have to acknowledge the depth and execution but what equates to the polar opposite of respect but an acknowledgement in the clever manipulation of the social engineering and marketing team for laying out that are though.

The global department of Propaganda have infiltrated nearly every angle of debate and have leveraged their power given to them by others manufactured, willing, bribed and apathetic consent and moulded the matrix of compartmentalized world views in self destructive opposition. If only people would think for themselves..

In the public's defence -- this program has been built over a long time ... We've seen this anti government angle played out before enacted by the Guy Fawkes and events like the Reichstag fire and JFK on that Dallas afternoon.

Now the the play is Stuxnet, Vicious Script Kiddies, Google Russian and Chinese Hackers, and now Wikileaks. Don't worry CRU and Jack Baur from 24 will protect America! It's been on display and they've propped up our heroes and hacked them down."Hacker" Adrian "I found a directory listing" Lamo is a good example. Fear and rebellion. Black and white hats both real in niche marketed icons like Jonathan James, Kevin "Phreaker" Mitnick, Kevin "Wired" Poulsen, Robert Tappan Morris, Stephen "Woz"Wozniak, Steve Bill "Eugenic Technocracy" Gates, Tsutomu Shimomura and even Richard Stallman. --- and via the another ring of the social engineering circus show in the entertainment programming laid out for our consumption over the years in all sorts of productions from the Fourth Branch such as the The Borg Collective*, 7of9, Dr. Spock, Data from Star Trek are some of the more prolific hackers though there tends to be a bit of a rigid left brained robotic trend but I suppose that is logical. The good folks of Homeland Security's CRU in 24 that tend to get hacked and infiltrated to the brink of cataclysym once or twice a day (season) during

* The Borg Collective from Star Trek they're "real" now in manifesting as Anonymous according to MSM niche trumpeter cNET. They are acting to create oppositional polarization provoke fear in their admonishers or incite "hive" mentality mimicry among their admirers. This honey pot that is affiliated with The Pirate Bay attracts kids of all ages and the only thing you need to get wrapped up in it's web is have an internet connection and know how to click the refresh button over and over again in coordinated DoS attack protest parties. Even their tag line regurgitates the Star Trek Borg Hive Collective mind "We are Everywhere. We are everyone. We are Anonymous."

You could do a whole book on the Borg Collective and compare it to the engineered cybernetic generation that has an insatiable demand for constant external stimulation and the faster the better. A lot of kids feel virtually naked without being plugged into TV, the cell phone / internet CONnection.

Hmm .. net, web, cell, pod, firewall - only to be brought up to get admission to another institution in their occupation so they submit their applications to get employed.

Disclaimer: Linguistic Tangent Ahead
To merge back on topic following curious implore of the word of the day - [i]employ[/i]

Employ
[F. employer, fr. L. implicare to fold into, infold, involve, implicate, engage; in + plicare to fold. See Ply, and cf. Imply, Implicate.]
1. To inclose; to infold. [Obs.]
--Chaucer. [1913 Webster]
~ref

Come into the fold, 2-ply bathroom tissue is common perhaps meaning they will wipe their ass with you then flush you down the toilet after your imply servitude.

the Latin word implicare ( be intimately associated, connected, related; entwine, enfold, envelop; implicate; involve, engage; interweave, interlace, intertwine; perplex, confuse, confound)
using the Latin prefix in- (suffix for no)
derived from the Proto-Indo-European root *ne (not)
- derived from the Late Latin words plicare (to fold; fold , bend, flex; multiply by X , X-tuple; add together)
~ref

Imp may perhaps derive from the term ympe, used to denote a young grafted tree.

DOD Joint Acronyms and Abbreviations: implementation (imp); inventory management plan (IMP)

NCTS Glossary v.1.0: Intermediate Message Processors (IMP)

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
(n.) To graft; to insert as a scion.
(n.) To graft with new feathers, as a wing; to splice a broken feather. Hence, Fig.: To repair; to extend; to increase; to strengthen to equip.
(n.) Something added to, or united with, another, to lengthen it out or repair it, -- as, an addition to a beehive or a feather inserted in a broken wing of a bird
(n.) An offspring; progeny; child; scion.
(n.) A young or inferior devil; a little, malignant spirit; a puny demon; a contemptible evil worker.
~ref

/tangent

** Data, an android with human rights, neural learning capabilities and an unlimited databank with a link to the and an "emotion" chip sometimes with the help of cybernetically-augmented LaForge also from Star Trek - always looking to. Nice way to pitch and endear the friendly demure robot hacking and cyber-trans-humanism.


Quote:Do you honestly believe that sites like this , that allow material that advocates the over throw of Governments, or material such as "the lies of waco" who's sole purpose in the eyes of the US Government is to inflame and incite citizens into violent anarchy and rebellion , will still be allowed to exist?
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=36026&pid=204057#pid204057

If that's the angle then yes they do. That seems to be the program installed on MSM overtly since the bloody X-Files launched the Trust No One program installation that built upon the JFK / MLK program from nationalism to magikal psychedelic new age green fascist technocracy that claims we are all unique and equal gods rather than channels individual expressions of the Creative Spirit.

Those who invalidate reason ought seriously to consider whether they argue against reason with or without reason.
~ Ethan Allen January 21, 1738 - February 12, 1789

It seems that the wikiLeaks won't die but this time we have them branching of and allowing themselves to be filtered by MSM instead as reported by Rueters via DN.se.

Quote:Report: Ex-WikiLeakers to launch new Openleaks site
by Elinor Mills via Ossi Carp
Translation: Majsan Boström

According to the internal documents shared with DN.se, Openleaks intends to establish itself as a neutral intermediary ”without a political agenda except from the dissemination of information to the media, the public, non-profit organizations, trade- and union organizations and other participating groups.”

“All editorial control and responsibility rests with the publishing organization.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025254-281.html
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/a-new-wikileaks-revolts-against-assange-1.1224764

Daniel Domscheit-Berg will be the new spokesperson front
- Publishing Book in Jan (April release in Eng) titled: Inside WikiLeaks: My Time at the World's Most Dangerous Website
- Chaos Computer Club (CCC) member that was founded in 1981 and headed by former ICANN director. CCC also has informal affiliations with the Global Socailism CO2 h8rs in the Green Party via egomaniac Jello Biafra, online spy service Pallorium Inc through FBI contractor Steve Rambam, Sellout Phreaker, suspected CIA asset Kevin Mitnik and iWoZ.

Openleaks (Opening December 13th)
http://www.openleaks.org/
There are no others, there is only us.
http://FastTadpole.com/
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12-13-2010, 10:01 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-13-2010, 10:12 AM by rsol.)
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RE: "Wikileaks are for-hire mercenaries"(Cryptome) Private enterprise not public interest
Quote:"without a political agenda"
anyone EVER heard of that? everyone has an agenda. The releasing of leaked docs carries an agenda.

Im interested as to how one would recognise someone actually making a difference. The implication here is "if we know about them they have to be dodgy" Im always worried we arent just killing these guys by our own agendas.
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