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The Legominism of Creation Mythology
04-26-2009, 09:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-26-2009, 10:07 AM by Black Lion.)
The Legominism of Creation Mythology
IT WAS in the year 223 after the creation of the World, by objective time-calculation, or, as it would be said here on the "Earth," in the year 1921 after the birth of Christ.

Through the Universe flew the ship Karnak of the "transspace" communication.

It was flying from the spaces "Assooparatsata," that is, from the spaces of the "Milky Way," from the planet Karatas to the solar system "Pandetznokh," the sun of which is also called the "Pole Star."

On the said "transspace" ship was Beelzebub with his kinsmen and near attendants.

He was on his way to the planet Revozradendr to a special conference in which he had consented to take part, at the request of his friends of long standing.

Only the remembrance of these old friendships had constrained him to accept this invitation, since he was no longer young, and so lengthy a journey, and the vic issitudes inseperable from it, were by no means an easy task for one of his years.

Only a little before this journey Beelzebub had returned home to the planet Karatas where he had received his arising and far from which, on account of circumstances independant of his own essence, he has passed many years of his existence in conditions not proper to his nature.

This many-yeared existence, unsuited to him, together with the perceptions unusual for his nature and the experiences not proper to his essence involved in it, had not failed to leave on his common presence a perceptible mark.

Besides, time itself had by now inevitably aged him, and the said unusual conditions of existence had brought Beelzebub, just that same Beelzebub who had such an exceptionally strong, fiery, and splendid youth, to an also exceptional old age.

Long, long before, while Beelzebub was still existing at home on the planet Karatas, he had been taken, owing to his extraordinarily resourceful intelligence, into service on the "Sun Absolute," where our LORD SOVEREIGN ENDLESSNESS has the fundamental place of HIS Dwelling; and there Beelzebub, among others like himself, had become an attendant on HIS ENDLESSNESS.

It was just then, owing to the as yet unformed Reason due to his youth, and owing to his callow and therefore still impetuous mentation with unequally flowing association - that is, owing to a mentation based, as is natural to beings who have not yet become definitely responsible, on a limited understanding - Beelzebub once saw in the government of the World something which seemed to him "illogical," and having found support among his comrades, beings like himself not yet formed, interfered in what was none of his business.

Thanks to the impetuosity and force of Beelzebub's nature, his intervention together with his comrades then soon captured all minds, and the effect was to bring the central kingdom of the Megalocosmos almost to the edge of revolution.

Having learned of this, HIS ENDLESSNESS, notwithstanding his All-lovingness and All-forgiveness, was constrained to banish Beelzebub with his comrades to one of the remote corners of the Universe, namely to the solar system "Ors" whose inhabitants call it simply the "Solar System," and to assign as the place of their existence one of the planets of that solar system, namely Mars, with the privelege of existing on other planets also, though only of the same solar system.

Among these exiles, besides the said comrades of Beelzebub, were a number of those who merely sympathised with him, and also the attendants and subordinates of Beelzebub and of his comrades.

All, with their households, arrived at this remote place and there in a short time on the planet Mars a whole colony was formed of three-centred beings from various planets of the central part of our Great Universe.

All this population, extraordinary for the said planet, accommodated itself little by little to it's new dwelling place, and many of them even found one or another occupation for shortening the long years of their exile.

They found occupations either on this same planet Mars or upon the neighbouring planets, namely on those planets that had been almost entirely neglected on account of their remoteness from the centre and the poverty of all their formations.

As the years rolled by, many either on their own initiative or in response to needs of general character, migrated gradually from the planet Mars to other planets; but Beelzebub himself, together with his near attendants, remained on the planet Mars, where he organised his existence more or less tolerably.

One his chief occupations was the arranging of an "observatory" on the planet Mars for the observation both of remote points of the Universe and of the conditions of existence of beings on neighbouring planets; and this observatory of his, it may be here remarked, afterwards became known and even famous everywhere in the Universe.

Although the solar system "Ors" had been neglected owing to it's remoteness from the centre and to many other reasons, nevertheless our LORD SOVEREIGN had sent from time to time HIS Messengers to the planets of this system, to regulate, more or less, the being-existence of the three-brained beings arising on them, for the co-ordination of the process of their existence with the general World Harmony.

And thus, to a certain planet of this solar system, namely, the planet Earth, there was once sent as such a Messenger from OUR ENDLESSNESS, a certain Ashiata Shiemash, and as Beelzebub had then fulfilled a certain need in connection with his mission, the said Messenger, when he returned once more to the "Sun Absolute," earnestly besought HIS ENDLESSNESS to pardon this once young and fiery but now aged Beelzebub.

In view of this request of Ashiata Shiemash, and also of the modest and cognoscent existence of Beelzebub himself, our MAKER CREATOR pardoned him and gave him permission to return to the place of his arising.

And that is why Beelzebub, after a long absence, happened now to be again in the centre of the Universe.

His influence and authority had not only not declined during his exile, but on the contrary, they had greatly increased, since all those around him were clearly aware that, thanks to his prolonged existence in the aforementioned unusual conditions, his knowledge and experience must inevitably have been broadened and deepened.

And so, when events of great importance occurred on one of the planets of the solar system "Pandetznokh," Beelzebub's old friends had decided to intrude upon him and to invite him to the conference concerning these events.

And it was as the outcome of this that Beelzebub was now making the long journey on the ship Karnak from the planet Karatas to the planet Revozradendr.

On this big space-ship Karnak, the passengers included the kinsmen and attendants of Beelzebub and also many beings who served on the ship itself.

During the period to which this tale of ours refers, all the passengers were occupied either with their duties, or simply with actualisation of what is called "active being mentation."

Among all the passengers aboard the ship one very handsome boy was conspicuous; he was always near Beelzebub himself.

This was Hassein, the son of Beelzebub's favourite son Tooloof.

After his return home from exile, Beelzebub had seen this grandson of his, Hassein, for the first time, and, appreciating his good heart, and also, owing to what is called "family attracton," he took an instant liking to him.

And as the time happened to coincide with the time when the Reason of little Hassein needed to be developed, Beelzebub, having a great deal of free time there, himself undertook the education of his grandson, and from that time on took Hasseiin everywhere about with him.

That is why Hassein also was accompanying Beelzebub on this long journey and was among the number around him.

And Hassein, on his side, so loved his grandfather that he would not stir a step without him, and he eagerly absorbed everything his grandfather either said or taught.

At the time of this narrative, Beelzebub with Hassein and his devoted old servant Ahoon, who always accompanied him everywhere, were seated on the highest "Kasnik," that is, on the upper deck of the ship Karnak under the "Kalnokranonis," somewhat resembling what we should call a large "glass bell," and were talking there among themselves while observing the boundless space.

Beelzebub was talking about the solar system where he had passed long years.

And Beelzebub was just then describing the peculiarities of the nature of the planet Venus.

During the conversation it was reported to Beelzebub that the captain of their ship wished to speak with him and to this request Beelzebub acceded.

Here endeth the first chapter, Chapter 2.

04-26-2009, 10:05 AM,
The Legominism of Creation Mythology
Following a suggestion for a new thread on Creation Mythology I was inspired last night to type up the 2nd chapter of "Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson" - ALL AND EVERYTHING - The First Series, by G.I. Gurdjieff. Chapter 1 is not a part of the Tales, but more in the mode of an introduction and also in the form of a salutary warning to the casual reader.. It is entitled "The Arousing Of Thought" which is why he prefixed the Tales with it I suppose, hoping no doubt to confuse the casually curious and perhaps also to prepare the more diligent reader for what is to come.. And what comes beyond Chapter 2 is of course way to big for me to sit down and type up, even from the luxury position of my favourite chair in front of my entertainment computer.

However, I do think that this seminal work of this extraordinary man bears a little more recognition than it gets in our time, even from those who claim to have worked the Gurdjieff Teaching. It is a Legominism in writing, in itself a most difficult thing to create one-dimensionally.

To my mind it is the best Creation Myth ever written at any time..

And bearing in mind, despite it's being described as 'didactic-fiction', one finds more fact than fiction anyway..

"Mythos" > Primary Arising
"Logos" > Secondary Arising.

That's us, the logos, The Word..

Not an easy task to channel the Mythos into words suitable for human understanding.. Yet I do believe he's done it. :-)

Tally Ho,



04-26-2009, 08:25 PM,
The Legominism of Creation Mythology
All it takes to make it so is a leap of faith!!! (not worship)

JJ ;)
04-27-2009, 06:14 AM,
The Legominism of Creation Mythology
That's the one JJ

'Worship' is in any case a corruption of what anciently said "Workshop".. to the ancients of course, contemporary 'worshippers' would probably run a mile at the mere thought of a day in a workshop..

Perhaps that's why the softies altered it on purpose - maybe..

All Magic is Doing

Tally Ho



04-29-2009, 06:20 AM,
The Legominism of Creation Mythology
Quote:All it takes to make it so is a leap of faith!!! (not worship)

JJ ;)
JJ, in the other thread you eluded to the silliness of faith & in this thread you seem to promote it
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
05-03-2009, 02:03 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-03-2009, 02:14 AM by Black Lion.)
The Legominism of Creation Mythology
After the absence and return of the captain of the Karnak it transpires that a comet crossing the path of the ship causes a delay for our intrepid travellers, and for the next three chapters Beelzebub inquires of him as to how these modern transspace ships function.. Following the captain's explanations concerning the superiority of Archangel Hariton's propulsion system compared to the older designs, Beelzebub interrupts him at the start of chapter 6..

Perpetual Motion

WAIT! WAIT!" Beelzebub interrupted the captain." This - what you have just told us - must surely be just that short lived idea which the strange three-brained beings breeding on the planet Earth called 'perpetual motion' and on account of which at one period a great many of them there went quite, as they themselves say, 'mad,' and many even perished entirely.

"It once happened there on that ill fated planet that somebody in some way or another got into his head the as they say 'crazy notion' that he could make a 'mechanism' that would run forever without requiring any material from outside.

"This notion so took everybody's fancy that most of the queer fellows of that peculiar planet began thinking about it and trying to realise this miracle in practice.

"How many of them payed for this short-lived idea with all the material and spiritual welfare which they had previously with great difficulty acquired!

"For one reason or another they were all quite determined to invent what in their opinion was a 'simple matter.'

"External circumstances permitting, many took up the invention of this 'perpetual motion' without any inner data for such work; some from reliance upon their 'knowledge,' others upon 'luck,' but most of them just from their already complete psychopathy.

"In short, the invention of 'perpetual motion' was, as they say, 'the rage,' and every crank felt obliged to be interested in this question.

"I was once in one of the towns there where models of every kind and innumerable 'descriptions' of proposed 'mechanisms' for this 'perpetual motion' were assembled.

"What wasn't there? What 'ingenuous' and complicated machines did I not see? In any single one of these mechanisms I saw there, there must have been more ideas and 'wiseacrings' than in all the laws of World-creation and World-existence.

"I noted at the time that in these innumerable models and descriptions of proposed mechanisms, the idea of using what is called the 'force of weight' predominated. And the idea of employing the 'force of weight' they explained thus: a very complicated mechanism was to lift 'some' weight and this latter was then to fall and by it's fall set the whole mechanism in motion, which motion would again lift the weight, and so on, and so on.

"The result of it all was, that thousands were shut up in 'lunatic asylums,' thousands more, having made this idea their dream, either began to fail altogether to fulfill even those being-duties of theirs which had somehow or other in the course of many years been established there, or to fulfill them in such a way as 'couldn't be worse.'

"I don't know how it would all have ended if some quite demented being there, with one foot already in the grave, such a one as they themselves call an 'old dotard,' and who had previously somehow acquired a certain authority, had not proved by 'calculations' known only to himself that it was absolutely impossible to invent 'perpetual motion.'

"Now, after your explanation, I can well understand how the cylinder of the system of Archangel Hariton works. It is the very thing of which these unfortunates there dreamed.

"Indeed, of the 'cylinder' of the system of the Archangel Hariton it can safely be said that, with atmosphere alone given, it will work perpetually without needing the expenditure of any outside materials.

"And since the world without planets and hence without atmospheress cannot exist, then it follows that as long as the world exists and, in consequence, atmospheres, the cylinder-barrels invented by the great Archangel Hariton will always work.

"Now just one question occurs to me - about the material from which this cylinder-barrel is made.

"I wish very much, my dear Captain, that you would roughly tell me what materials it is made of and how long they can last," requested Beelzebub.

To this question of Beelzebub's the captain replied as follows:

"Although the cylinder-barrel does not last forever, it can certainly last a very long time.

"It's chief part is made of 'amber' with 'platinum' hoops, and the interior panels of the walls are made of 'anthracite,' 'copper,' and 'ivory,' and a very strong 'mastic' unaffectable either by (1) 'paischakir' or by (2) 'tainolair' or by (3) 'saliakooriapa'* or even by the radiations of cosmic concentrations.

"But the other parts." the captain continued, "both the exterior 'levers' and the 'cogwheels,' must certainly be renewed from time to time, for though they are made of the strongest metal, yet long use will wear them out.

"And as for the body of the ship itself, it's long existence can certainly not be guaranteed."

The captain intended to say still more, but at that moment a sound like the vibrations of a long minor chord of a far off orchestra of wind instruments resounded through the ship.

With an apology the captain rose to leave, explaining as he did so that he must be needed on very important business, since everybody knew that he was with his Right Reverence and would not venture to trouble the ears of his Right Reverence for anything trifling.

*(1) Cold, (2) heat, and (3) water.


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