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The great thermate debate
09-21-2011, 06:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2011, 07:15 PM by p4r4.)
#76
RE: The great thermate debate
Quote:I expect there to be microspherules in any sampled dust.

Expecting and having evidence are two different things ...

Quote: I can't and neither can you ... that's why all you do is speculate
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My, my. That's a finely-honed HYPOCRISY you have there.

You claim your speculations to be the only truth. I don't, i keep an open mind.

Quote:You tested them for iron?

did you?

Quote:The evidence at hand is inconsistent with the pancake theory. there should be no survivors in a pancake collapse, but if the building was disintegrating than surviving seems more plausible.
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How would YOU know? You have zero understanding of either.

Did you design a plug for the WTC too ?
Are you an architect ?

Quote:Stairwells aren't part of the pancake, are they? Weren't all but one of the survivors in the stairwell?
Where's the hymn sheet for this crap you're reciting?

Aren't stairwells part of the building? they were on stairway trying to escape...


Quote:Look once again, my foolish grasshopper,
THE FLOORS ENCIRCLED THE COLUMNS
so how could they escape?

The floors disintegrated, and fell aside.

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Quote:NO. A socket. Lightweight 50 amp continuous DC charge, to be mounted on an electric commuter car. This one.

And that is the pinnacle of you career ?
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09-21-2011, 07:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2011, 07:51 PM by JazzRoc.)
#77
RE: The great thermate debate
(09-21-2011, 06:26 PM)p4r4 Wrote: You claim your speculations to be the only truth. I don't, i keep an open mind.
If you had an open mind, you would welcome what I say.
Your mind is firmly shut.
Does finely-divided iron burn in air?
How is the path of least resistance NOT around the internal columns when their floors surrounded them?
Your mind is SO closed you don't even know when you are lying, deceiving, or changing the subject.

Quote:Are you an architect?
No.
But I have worked AS an architect, WITH architects, on the design of motorways, factories, power stations, marinas, prisons, and other scientific establishments.

Quote:Aren't stairwells part of the building? they were on stairway trying to escape...
So suddenly you're NOT a draftsman, and you don't know where the stairwells were? Let me know when you do.

Quote:The floors disintegrated, and fell aside.
So I see.
[Image: pancake.jpg]

Quote:And that is the pinnacle of you career?
No. That was the mechanical casing for the world's first mass-produced ETHERNET TRANSCEIVER, which was the very first device built for NETWORKING COMPUTERS, and the fundamental heart, the ORIGIN of the World Wide Web. And it got me YOU. LOL

I shall be making a multiple-source electric vehicle one of these days. Lightweight, carrying 2 people and shopping. Range-limited but free travel.
That will be a NEW pinnacle. Smile

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09-21-2011, 08:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2011, 08:19 PM by p4r4.)
#78
RE: The great thermate debate
Quote:Does finely-divided iron burn in air?


It does not by itself, if you ignite it than it will burn.

Quote:How is the path of least resistance NOT around the internal columns when their floors surrounded them?

Yes, around them, way around them.

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Quote:Your mind is SO closed you don't even know when you are lying, deceiving, or changing the subject.

look in the mirror ...

Quote:But I have worked AS an architect, WITH architects, on the design of motorways, factories, power stations, marinas, prisons, and other scientific establishments.

Can you give verifiable proof of that?


Quote:That was the mechanical casing for the world's first mass-produced ETHERNET TRANSCEIVER,

So you did a case and a plug... good achievements
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09-21-2011, 09:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2011, 11:49 PM by JazzRoc.)
#79
RE: The great thermate debate
(09-21-2011, 08:18 PM)p4r4 Wrote: Can you give verifiable proof of that?
Hey, I've found that video for you...

...You know, the one about friction?





-----------------------------------------------Jerking

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09-22-2011, 01:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-24-2011, 09:34 PM by JazzRoc.)
#80
RE: The great thermate debate







Fire shutters functioned properly - They may have BEFORE the impact, but they didn't work during or after it.
Driwall partitions were damaged all the way down to the basements by the kerosine/air explosion following the plane impact, which also injured and killed people all the way to the basement.

It was said that Jim Hofmann specifically disavowed floors collapsing, Mathis Levy specifically disavowed pancaking, and NIST rejected the idea of pancaking (but that was as the CAUSE of total collapse). But see here:
[Image: saght1.jpg]
Where a floor is progressively detaching. Too much of that, and you have a house of cards. The columns can't stand on their own...

"Dust clouds very large clouds of very thick dust" - but dust is a feature of ALL collapsing buildings.





The presenter used the word "pyroclastic" to describe the dust. But that doesn't compare with THESE pyroclastic flows, except that they are DUSTY.
A TRUE pyroclastic flow travels at speeds up to 450 mph, with a temperature of greater than 450 deg C - and is instantly fatal to ALL life, not just by the temperature, but by the "particle" sizes, where the largest "particle" size is bigger than a heavy battle tank.







The presenter said the floor concrete was protected within its steel tray, but this compaction indicates a thorough interpenetration of the steel truss rods.
[Image: pancake.jpg]

He asks "What could cause so many things to be pulverized". I can give him a clue:




The clue is: STEEL

And we return to lobby damage, where truthers just can't believe the architect's "hermetic seal" was BROKEN by the fuel in the aircraft doing THIS to it:



This is an efficiently-exploding device weighing 2 tons. The Boeing was carrying six times as much fuel, but it would have been less efficiently-dispersed.
So imagine the SAME explosion TRAPPED within the tower, and work out whether the architects designed to seal "hermetically" a supersonic shock wave, or NOT.
I think NOT.
And that's why people were killed and injured 700 feet below.
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11-19-2011, 08:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2011, 08:04 PM by scaramanga667.)
#81
RE: The great thermate debate
Quote:Someone should tell JFK that I don't visit JREF and I don't even have it bookmarked.

Ok, been a while since I could post here, but I have taken a few moments now and then to read a bit. Just had to interject here to express my amazement that jazz is still denying being a JREF'er troll agent, after i exposed him well over a year ago.

see this thread - my post number 31
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=33812&pid=193903#pid193903

Go crawl back under whatever slimy rock you came out from under, troll.


“I'm not from earth. I'm here on a research project. I'm preparing a paper on the psychosomatic ailments of pre-Apocalyptic condominium dwellers.”
-Sappho, Ash Ock

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12-01-2011, 10:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-01-2011, 10:19 PM by JazzRoc.)
#82
RE: The great thermate debate
(11-19-2011, 08:02 PM)scaramanga667 Wrote: Go crawl back under whatever slimy rock you came out from under, troll.
It must have been easy to practise that in front of a mirror.

I'll be happy to comply in the event that ANYONE turns up any evidence about thermite being present at the WTC - at all.

Evidence. It's a word unconnected with lies, smears, or delusions.

Look it up in the dictionary. That's a book.

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12-04-2011, 08:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-04-2011, 08:31 PM by nwo2012.)
#83
RE: The great thermate debate
Post edited as I'm a hothead.
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