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100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
04-14-2012, 09:11 PM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-09-2012, 08:48 AM)Zammo Wrote: It is crap like this that keeps the truth about 9/11 ever being discovered.

Of course 2 planes hit the twin towers, it was clear as day to see. The camera footage that has been posted in this thread has been carefully selected, edited and screwed with so you can try to prove your argument. Your evidence in inconclusive and circumstantial. We are not fools.

Quote:You have seen nothing but different versions of the same 45 FAKE videos, both live & so-called 'amateur,' each one analyzed and proven to be fake 100% conclusively.

Oh really? Like what you have posted here, the snippets of a few seconds, in poor quality, some even made into a .gif are verbatim? They are ridiculous and pathetic attempts to distort facts to fit your own story. Are you the guy that created Obama's birth certificate?

Quote:Let's see you find the original serial #'s of the black boxes of these so-called planes that are ALWAYS & AT ALL TIMES recorded before the plane takes off and have NEVER GONE MISSING in the history of post-black-box aviation before or since.

Erm, where have you been? It was widely report that all 4 black boxes were found. Or are you choosing to ignore this fact because it doesn't fit in with your story.

If we know nothing else about 9/11, there is one thing that there is no doubt about... 2 planes hit those towers. They may not have been the planes that took off carrying the passengers, but they were planes. The pentagon was very unlikely to be a plane.

How do you expect remains of peoples property to be found after it was crashed into a building with a plane, exploding into a fire ball, burnt at 800'c, fell 110 stories and then had the building collapse on to of it? Not only that, anything that did somehow remain intact was hidden by the FBI or loaded into dump trucks and sent to china as fast as humanly possible by the major.

You are not working to expose the truth, your misleading rants only serve to discredit any work that is being done in the 9/11 truth movement. You are only making it easy for the government to avoid our questions about what happened that day and label us all crazy conspiracy theorists.

LOL

Like a broken record.

LOL

googgly goo goo

I thaw id wit ma onn eiz on my mommy's tv !

LOL

Are you a robot or a man ?

Why don't you lift your lazy fat ass off the couch and actually read some of the posts I made here, listen to some of the audios I posted done by researchers for 10 friggin years, and, at the very least, watch September Clues

http://www.septemberclues.info/1sthalf.htm


before mouthing off about something you know NOTHING about, you Alex Jones gate-kept stooge ?

refer your lazy, duped ass to the Dennis Cimino interview posted above if you want to find out about the 'found' black boxes.

Since I know you're too lazy to even click two pages back, I'll repost it here for you, although I have no illusions that a brainwashed robot like you will bother your lazy ass to listen to it.

Dennis Cimino of Pilots for 9/11 Truth on The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer Podcast - August 26, 2011

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20f...cimino.mp3




Dennis Cimino experience and qualifications:
Electrical Engineer
Commercial Pilot Rating, since 1981
Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
Two patents held for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ):
long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network,
and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR



Do you know who Dennis Cimino is ? He's not a fucking janitor or plumber you know !

[Image: crack.jpg]


"I have been a licensed pilot with a commercial rating, multi-engine, IFR, since 1981. Prior to that I served as an Electronic Warfare / Electronic Signals Intelligence (EW ELINT) specialist in the U.S. Navy, with many 'first time' signal intercepts in the national (NSA) sig int database. Since I left the Navy in 1979, I have been heavily involved in DoD weapons system testing and certification. I have held high level clearances most of my career." -- Dennis Cimino

Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the only ones without listed serial numbers.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimi...7-FDR.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index...opic=11066


There are not even ORIGINAL SERIAL NUMBERS RECORDED for the friggin black boxes, NONE OF THE BLACK BOXES FROM ANY OF THE 4 9-11 CRASH SITES so how can they have been 'widely reported' (who the fuck cares what was 'widely reported,' lots of things have been 'widely reported' for the wide area of air in your lobotimized head, 'widely reporting' something does not constitute truth) to have been found & then stashed away in some secret government stash so NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN ANY OF THE INFO ON THEM to confirm what the fuck happened.

And by the way most of the 45 FAKE videos are copies of the same few fake videos, it's not like there are 45 independent fakes of any kind.

Where is a SINGLE PLANE PART out of MILLIONS individually numbered from each plane directly traceable to each plane, MATCHED TO THAT PLANE & INDIVIDUALLY VERFIFIED at any of the four 9-11 crash sites ?

Where the fuck is it on your 10th year anniversary of plane-hugging, you easter-bunny believing fool ?

Produce THE ROUTINE DOCUMENTATION of parts matches INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED which is & has been available for every other plane-crash except those on 9-11 or shut the hell up.

Are you going to post photos of that planted engine & wheel unit from Murray street that PROVE NO-PLANES by having been exposed as planted fakes like the rest of plane-hugging suckers here?

Good luck, make me laugh some more.

Where in the frig are the death certificates of of the rest of your vicsims on your imaginary ghost-planes that disappear into buidling with zero deceleration, without any parts faling off with no plane parts ?

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september122010/911-reflections-ew.php


Sep-12-2010 14:10

9/11 Reflections Part 2: Interview with Simon Shack of September Clues

Ersun Warncke Salem-News.com

Out of 2,970 9/11 victims listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file. .



I did an exhaustive check of the list of victims provided on the CNN website. What I found is that out of 2,970 people listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file. Of those, not a single one has a valid “last address of record” on file. That is a lot of clerical error[2].

Part one in this special series:

Sep-10-2010" 9/11 Reflections Part 1: The Elephant and the Mosquito - Ersun Warncke Salem-News.com
[1] http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html
[2] http://www.scribd.com/doc/37270708/CNN-9-11-Memorial-Victims-SSA-Death-Index-Cross-Reference

9/11 Intercepted from Pilots for 9-11 Truth








Go read the rest of my posts on this thread and take your head out of your ass before mouthing off about something you know nothing about.

Either that or run away to your momma like I know you will.

LOL

[Image: cognitive-dissonance.gif]
04-14-2012, 10:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2012, 10:46 PM by 7forever.)
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-09-2012, 04:31 PM)rsol Wrote: thanks for that but you are wasting your time. in about a week these goons will post yet more of the same "evidence" they posted 6 pages ago as they seem to think quantity beats quality every time.

Ive said it before. no planers are BY DESIGN undermining anything associated with 911 truth.

They have had their bullshit shown to them but they deny ANY data to the contrary.

In fact its almost starting to feel like spam. attention seekers every last one. they are not interested in the truth but prefer outlandish theories because they are simply more fun.

I've said it before, anyone who ignores that an orb bumped into the south tower is BY DESIGN undermining anything associated with 911 truth. The orb was not a plane, could never be a plane, and will never be a plane in any world but fiction. The 911 research community has simply ignored the 'pink elephant in the room', just like they did with jfk, by acting like the driver didn't shoot the President.

It is the common man that keeps these obvious truths from the masses by those few people who actually research these events. They ignore the most conclusive proof in favor of less controversial theories that leave room for debate. Saying the orb is a plane is a simple falsehood, nothing more or less. If all 911 researchers agreed on that simple fact, there'd be a real truth movement that would spider off in so many directions it would make peoples head spin.

They've had their bullshit shown to them but they continue to ignore 4 broadcasts which show an object smaller than a chopper.

Flight 175 never showed up, but an orb coming from the west did, an impossible direction based on reality and the 911 commission. There's nothing complicated about it. The media was forced to call a dot 'the plane' and that's the only truth movement that'll ever catch on with every-day-people. A plane cannot go between two towers before crashing into the back of one of them. The media pretending an unknown flying object was a plane is the most important smoking gun in 911 truth.

[Image: very-close-orb_h_GIFSoupcom.gif]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFPB_NTi2cs&list=PL1C1F97A9B8B8D8AE&index=97&feature=plpp_video


http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/

The objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer
04-20-2012, 04:18 AM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes




SSDI = Social Security Death Index

Neither of the first two people Bob Mc Ilvaine and Marsh-O'Connor are sobbing over on multiple media channels are actually on the social security death index.

Say what?

Since when do people who supposedly died in a disaster or 'terror attack' not even appear on the SSDI (Out of 2,970 9/11 victims listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index), never mind have death certificates (they don't have those either, out of the only 446 listed on the SSDI only 249 have death certificates & not a single one has a valid last address of record ) ?


04-20-2012, 07:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-20-2012, 11:02 PM by Negentropic.)
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
Quote:[Image: NO_PHOTOGRAPHY_ALLOWED.jpg]


"It appears that NO PHOTOGRAPHY was allowed at Ground Zero, as of an official order signed by NY Mayor Giuliani. I am inclined to believe that this was actually the case (even though some may accuse me of choosing to believe only pictures that fit our theories...):

So, what sort of justification would such a menacing WARNING SIGN have? What kind of problem would anyone cause to anyone by snapping pictures of the premises of such a historically defining, public event? One official motivation given was that "it was a crime scene". Oh yeah - it sure was !...

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT: If you have had your camera seized by the authorities around Ground Zero, please get in touch!


For years, I 'knew' that only ONE photographer had access to Ground Zero.

I thought it was time to remind everybody about this dude...

[Image: JM%20with%20camera%20color.jpg]

JOEL MEYEROWITZ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Meyerowitz

" the only photographer allowed unrestricted access to ground zero immediately following the attack":


-- Simon Shack


http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=489&hilit=faking+the+rubble



Shack on "Where Did the Towers Go?" by Judy Wood


"I see that Judy Wood has published a new book. However, her research is based on fake pictures. The sole purpose of her existence is, imho, to provide 'a plausible explanation' for the very stupid-looking WTC 'pulverization' animations."

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=869


04-20-2012, 05:20 PM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
thanks for proving my point neg.
04-20-2012, 11:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-21-2012, 12:47 AM by Negentropic.)
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-20-2012, 05:20 PM)rsol Wrote: thanks for proving my point neg.

Except for one thing, Shack isn't BASING his research on fake videos and fake photo-shopped photo, he's just exposing them as FAKE. The FACT of this exposure and non-existence of anything even approaching a real video (I don't know about photos or how far or how long photos were controlled but there seems to be a lot of photoshopping involved there too), taken together with NO ORIGINAL SERIAL #'S FOR THE BLACK BOXES plus the complete lack of any non-video PHYSICAL EVIDENCE (either bodies or the correct number of bodies or even death certificates & any plane parts matched to the planes they came from ) adds up to conclusive proof of No-Planes and therefore the COMPLETE CONTROL of mass-media that convinced the entire planet there were planes, being the KEY ELEMENT of this ridiculous psy-op. Capiche?

It doesn't add up to what YOU say which is absurd: that these by now PROVEN FACTS of fakery and control of images add up to YES, PLANES WERE THERE, THEY ARE JUST BEING HIDDEN FROM US (all 3 million parts of each plane LOL) IN A SECRET GOVERNMENT STASH and will forever be on the verge of being released to prove both the official Osama cave plane-hugging nonsense and the alternative media Alex-Jones-Chris-Bollyn remote-controlled-global-hawk plane-hugging nonsense, one accusing the NWO, the other Israel as the key perpetratrators but both ignoring the actual physical evidence to get to their conclusions, as if that is beside the point and a 'mass consensus' based on circumstantial evidence (however plentiful) is more important than facts and actual physical evidence or the fact of the lack of it.

The fact of the lack of physical evidence and faked imagery does not prove the cover-up of the mythical 'planes' so that people won't find out that these were 'global-hawk' planes and not 767, etc., or some such nonsense, it just proves what it actually proves which is No-Planes and A COMPLETE, ORCHESTRATED MEDIA CHARADE and psy-op from the beginning to end.


That is THE POINT, although I am sure if it hasn't sunk in by now it never will.

LOL





04-21-2012, 07:23 AM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
I avoided clicking on this topic for the longest time, but seeing it's popularity, I'll just put in my two cents.

This whole f-cking subject is a waste of time and you ought to be ashamed of yourself if you think by rehashing it you are "doing something". There are plenty of sources out there that already go into various aspects of 9/11 and if you want to inform someone, all you have to do is refer them to something like engineers for 9/11 truth. But, then you give attention to this rubbish no planes hooey. Even if it were true, what would it matter? And yet, you, like republicans and democrats endlessly bickering about meaningless things while the system moves forward, bicker about this subject and give it attention.
04-22-2012, 11:34 PM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-20-2012, 11:13 PM)Negentropic Wrote:
(04-20-2012, 05:20 PM)rsol Wrote: thanks for proving my point neg.

Except for one thing, [b]Shack isn't BASING his research on fake videos and fake photo-shopped photo, he's just exposing them as FAKE[/b]. The FACT of this exposure and non-existence of anything even approaching a real video (I don't know about photos or how far or how long photos were controlled but there seems to be a lot of photoshopping involved there too),

Simon Shack, did nothing of significance besides providing a real sleuth, me, with a starting point to really understanding why no plane hit the south tower, but a small object did, instead. The orb is consistent with itself in four news broadcasts which show it coming from west of the towers and leaving its shadow between and behind them, which confirms beyond all doubt that something, not a plane literally circled the south tower before bumping into the southeast corner. He's just another worthless researcher who doesn't have the balls to tell the real truth.

The shadow of the object and fake plane image are consistent and is also very visible in wnbc and seen in cbs's footage.

[Image: wb-ci-934_h_GIFSoupcom.gif]
[Image: fast-wb-orb_h_GIFSoupcom.gif]



http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/

The objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer
04-23-2012, 06:23 AM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-21-2012, 07:23 AM)capob Wrote: I avoided clicking on this topic for the longest time, but seeing it's popularity, I'll just put in my two cents.

This whole f-cking subject is a waste of time and you ought to be ashamed of yourself if you think by rehashing it you are "doing something". There are plenty of sources out there that already go into various aspects of 9/11 and if you want to inform someone, all you have to do is refer them to something like engineers for 9/11 truth. But, then you give attention to this rubbish no planes hooey. Even if it were true, what would it matter? And yet, you, like republicans and democrats endlessly bickering about meaningless things while the system moves forward, bicker about this subject and give it attention.


Personally, i am not in either camp on this issue, but believe is important to determine as much as possible what is the truth on this subject. A no plane theory would spread the blame for the event in a different way, specifically to the major corporate media outlets that would have to be intricately involved in the conspiracy...

The government is being manipulated like a puppet by some other organization that want to see it's demise. Corrupt it than point the finger at it for everyone to blame. A no plane theory makes the finger pointing less effective.
04-23-2012, 01:09 PM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-23-2012, 06:23 AM)p4r4 Wrote:
(04-21-2012, 07:23 AM)capob Wrote:


Personally, i am not in either camp on this issue, but believe is important to determine as much as possible what is the truth on this subject. A no plane theory would spread the blame for the event in a different way, specifically to the major corporate media outlets that would have to be intricately involved in the conspiracy...

The government is being manipulated like a puppet by some other organization that want to see it's demise. Corrupt it than point the finger at it for everyone to blame. A no plane theory makes the finger pointing less effective.

Does your statment mean you can disprove any of the obvious fakery proven and the existence of the orb? I'd like someone to really try and challenge the video facts. It only happened once and that person shortly thereafter gave up.

http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/

The objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer
04-23-2012, 08:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-23-2012, 08:41 PM by p4r4.)
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
(04-23-2012, 01:09 PM)7forever Wrote:
(04-23-2012, 06:23 AM)p4r4 Wrote:
(04-21-2012, 07:23 AM)capob Wrote:


Personally, i am not in either camp on this issue, but believe is important to determine as much as possible what is the truth on this subject. A no plane theory would spread the blame for the event in a different way, specifically to the major corporate media outlets that would have to be intricately involved in the conspiracy...

The government is being manipulated like a puppet by some other organization that want to see it's demise. Corrupt it than point the finger at it for everyone to blame. A no plane theory makes the finger pointing less effective.

Does your statment mean you can disprove any of the obvious fakery proven and the existence of the orb? I'd like someone to really try and challenge the video facts. It only happened once and that person shortly thereafter gave up.

Can you prove that the fakery proof isn't faked...? Anything that is in video/audio/document form is very easy to fake for any reasons either as proof or disproof, that is the age we live in, full of uncertainty.
An absolutist approach to this issue is wrong, when you don't have all the evidence, then it's best to analyze the event in terms of probability, what's most likely and what's the least likely version and try not to dismiss or be convinced of anything...
04-24-2012, 02:49 PM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
you people consistently and constantly muddy the waters of debate. The only reason this thread is even alive is due to constant and consistent "updates" every few days. rehashing the same stuff. ignoring any information provided that is contrary and simply continuing unabated.

You STILL conclude that this is all perfectly documented and it up to us to disprove you. this is a trick a creationist would use.

How many times can you repeat yourselves here? can you not see that this horseshit isn't selling? If it were such a prevalent meme you wouldn't need to come here to refresh it every other day.

Nothing you have said over the past YEAR is anything that hasnt already been stated. You just repeat the same crap OVER AND OVER.
04-24-2012, 03:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-24-2012, 03:47 PM by Negentropic.)
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
Massive Frauds proven without any doubt whatsoever :

WTC 7 - the very fact that it's not there anymore and wasn't hit even by any media 'ghostplanes' proves massive fraud

WTC 7 - the very fact that it was announced on the BBC as having collapsed BEFORE it even collapsed proves MASSIVE fraud and media complicity in duping the entire planet.

Absolute impossibility of any steel-frame building coming down into its footprint or in any other way disappearing in 10 seconds or even 10 hours due to a fire caused by a 'plane-crash' or anything else. Can large even 100 story buildings come down in 10 to 20 seconds by controlled demolition ? Yes and the FACT that they have to be rigged months in advance again proves MASSIVE FRAUD and treason.


The 100% proven fact of No-Planes as covered in this thread and many other places all over the internet linked here

Therefore NO-PLANES = ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBLITY OF THE OFFICIAL STORY of 9-11 = Absolute and massive fraud and treason committed against the entire planet by those who control the World Mass-Media and by extension the collusion of the governments of all the countries where such mass-media is forced down everybody's throat.



What is beside the point, given only 249 death certificates :

How the buildings disappeared: came down or went up or whatever , i.e. controlled demolition, thermite, thermate, nano-thermate or Judy Wood DEW . No Planes is already proven and does not really need either the DEW or controlled demolition research to prove massive fraud, since it's already obvious to any half-ape that buildings cannot come down in 10 seconds or even 10 hours due to a friggin goddamn fire ! That other stuff is just the extra turd icing on the massive, gigantic bullshit cake.


Since there were NO PLANES, the official story is absolutely 100% discredited anyway and any wars or invasions based on the official story are a complete and massive murderous fraud on the entire planet.

If it can be proven that those 249 people actually died and those death certificates were not faked, then, GIVEN THE FACT OF NO PLANES, those people would have to be PROVEN to have been inside the buildings when the buildings came down because they could not possibly have died on any ghost-planes, certainly NOT at any of the 4 WTC sites.

In other words: the crime was massive fraud and treason whether or not there were actual mass-murders on 9-11 or even any murders at all. The REAL MASS MURDERS were overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq in the hundreds of thousands or even millions as a result of the massive fraud and treason perpetrated through the controllers of the World Mass Media on the entire friggin planet.

04-24-2012, 04:09 PM,
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
NO! IM GOING TO BE THE LAST WORD JUNKIE!
04-25-2012, 04:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-25-2012, 05:39 AM by Negentropic.)
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes
You're friggin-a-right I'll update it, just to watch you squirm and complain, desperately hugging your little ghosty-planes like a 6 year old believing in Santy clauze LOL

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arhur Schopenhauer

I hate to break it to you, my fellow Codreanu legionnaire, but the tide has turned for humanoid life-forms, we are in the third-stage now, get used to it !

Or don't get used to it. Use your penis-maximus instead of your head.

Pretend that 13,000 people clicked on this thread to read the same old half-baked BS on their loose-change & Alex Jones videos, which having been seen by millions upon millions of people should have convinced them all, right?

Pretend that plane-hugging and towing the Alex-Jones-Dylan-Avery-Rense-Bollyn party line like a good little communist-bolshevik comrade is the 'cutting edge.' The 'cutting edge' of self-imposed blindness and retardation in the service of humanity and justice? How bleak a life we must lead if that's all we can hope for ! LOL



Nico Haupt & the original No-Planers vindicated in this awesome mash-up video

Right, and now you know why smug-assed Dylan Avery, with tens of millions of views on his gate-keeping video was so worried about one guy like Nico Haupt mouthing off at ground zero all those years ago.

“A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true, for if the things be false, the apprehension of them is not understanding.” -- Isaac Newton


Nico Haupt and other original "no-planers" thread

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1102&start=45


CGI collapse footage research:

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=802


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