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"Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police" ~David Irving IMG INT
09-28-2010, 12:55 PM,
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"Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police" ~David Irving IMG INT
Quote:Controversial British historian David Irving praised Adolf Hitler as 'a great man' and his Gestapo as 'fabulous policeman' on his shocking tour of former Nazi death camps in Poland.

Irving said Hitler was not 'immoral' but was let down by lesser people in the Nazi regime, according to an undercover report by Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

'Hitler could be very cruel but he was not immoral. He was just surrounded by "little" people,' the paper said Irving told those on a £1,500-a-head tour he has been hosting.

Irving, who was once jailed in Austria for denying the Holocaust, also told tourists that the German dictator should be compared to Hannibal, the leader of Carthage that fought against and who almost overpowered Rome.

The historian said: 'He was like Hannibal. He held the military forces of the rest of the world for six years. Exactly like Hannibal, but nobody has never denied the greatness of Hannibal.

'Hitler was a great man, one of the greatest Europeans for centuries.'

He added: 'The Gestapo were fabulous policemen. They sent 300,000 to Auschwitz and 800,000 to Treblinka.'

His comments will be studied closely by Polish authorities and are sure to infuriate Holocaust survivors.

Irving led 11 people from Britain, America, Germany, and Australia around Hitler’s Polish Wolf’s Lair headquarters, where he described German officer Claus von Stauffenberg, who tried to assassinate the Fuhrer as a 'traitor'.

And the behaviour of Irving’s guests on the tour has raised eyebrows locally, reports the Italian undercover team.

During one private dinner after a visit to the death camps one guest called out to cheers and laughter: 'What a terrible smell. It’s like a gas chamber.'

Critics have slammed the trip around Hitler’s headquarters and the notorious Treblinka death camp referring to it as 'Nazi Travel'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315591/David-Irving-claims-Hitler-great-man-leads-Nazi-death-camp-tours.html
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09-28-2010, 06:58 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-28-2010, 06:59 PM by Deathaniel.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(09-28-2010, 12:55 PM)TriWooOx Wrote: Critics have slammed the trip around Hitler’s headquarters and the notorious Treblinka death camp referring to it as 'Nazi Travel'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315591/David-Irving-claims-Hitler-great-man-leads-Nazi-death-camp-tours.html
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They have such tours in SA also, very informative and interesting, and were they not fighting against the side of darkness? Who controls the strings of the NWO? They (NAZIs) knew of truths that are still shielded from the sheeple today, but i have to disagree with the Gestapo, as a police force they kinda sucked, KGB now theres a strong arm get there man kind of organization....Icon_biggrin though personally humans as enforcers is always less then desirable, break out the machines!
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06-07-2011, 09:05 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-07-2011, 08:36 PM)James broad Wrote: Hmmm...good
I am also agree with this that although the hitler was not a really hero but he was a great man the man of principles ..
Actually i am really the big fan of him

I agree. And you don't have to be a National Socialist to respect the man.

Too many lies have been told about the man. For people to get a clearer picture of the man, I'd highly recommend reading David Hogan's "The Forced War". Hitler did everything possible to avoid war with England and France. The historical record of diplomatic cables and dispatches proves this beyond a doubt. If anyone TRULY wants to understand WWII better, read that book. I'm sure you'll agree that British Foreign Minister Lord Halifax and Polish FM Jozef Beck were the two principal war mongers in WW2.

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06-07-2011, 10:46 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Hey, what do ya know- I expected this thread to be a Hitler bashing extravaganza.

Hitler was fighting against the Zionist and warned us MANY times what was going to happen (and it did)- Plus the whole holohoax and demonetization against him by the "winners" is not to be believed.

As someone pointed out here, Hitler (like Saddam) tried to avoid war with England and the USA. History is so intent on making him "evil"and a "boogyman" while the evil Zionist occupy a Nation that isnt theirs, control our media and finance and really are committing genocide.
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06-08-2011, 02:54 AM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-07-2011, 10:46 PM)Bluegrazz Wrote: Hey, what do ya know- I expected this thread to be a Hitler bashing extravaganza.

Hitler was fighting against the Zionist and warned us...

While Hitler may have been fighting international Jewery, and such Jewery may have had a Zionist component, I'm of the opinion that Hitler was fighting the other component of international Jewery, namely Communism.

A good example of this is the Condor Legions that volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War. They were not fighting Zionists, they fought Communists.

Another example of this is Poland. Poland had more Jews than any other European nation bar none. Yet what Hitler actually wanted from Poland, was an alliance against the Bolshevik threat from Russia, a free and prosperous Poland, the return of Danzig and a corridor to East Prussia 5/8ths of a mile wide to facillitate road and rail traffic.

IOW Hitler had no problem whatsoever seeking an alliance and friendship with the most heavily Jewish populated country in the entire world! This is a fact.

Now in respect to Germany's Jews, sure he wanted them out. Zionism and a Jewish homeland to emmigrate to were in his and Germany's "best interests" as it were.
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06-08-2011, 03:11 AM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-08-2011, 02:54 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote:
(06-07-2011, 10:46 PM)Bluegrazz Wrote: Hey, what do ya know- I expected this thread to be a Hitler bashing extravaganza.

Hitler was fighting against the Zionist and warned us...

While Hitler may have been fighting international Jewery, and such Jewery may have had a Zionist component, I'm of the opinion that Hitler was fighting the other component of international Jewery, namely Communism.

A good example of this is the Condor Legions that volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War. They were not fighting Zionists, they fought Communists.

Another example of this is Poland. Poland had more Jews than any other European nation bar none. Yet what Hitler actually wanted from Poland, was an alliance against the Bolshevik threat from Russia, a free and prosperous Poland, the return of Danzig and a corridor to East Prussia 5/8ths of a mile wide to facillitate road and rail traffic.

IOW Hitler had no problem whatsoever seeking an alliance and friendship with the most heavily Jewish populated country in the entire world! This is a fact.

Now in respect to Germany's Jews, sure he wanted them out. Zionism and a Jewish homeland to emmigrate to were in his and Germany's "best interests" as it were.

I FULLY agree with everything you said here. Hitler wasnt trying to "exterminate" all the Jews (as is told again and again) but he was trying to protect his Nation from the Zionist and wanted them out of Germany.

I know he wasnt fighting for the "World"- But he was standing up for his Nation.

Have you ever read Mein Kampf? It basically says as much- Zionist created Communism/Marxism. He wanted a Unified Germany under 1 launguange and talked about how having many Languages/cultures that will not assimilate will be the destruction of a nation. Interesting indeed as we are seeing that in the USA right now.

Plus, you can read nearly any passage to anyone and NOT tell them Hitler wrote it and most will agree with what is said.
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06-08-2011, 03:37 AM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Tyrants are tyrants no matter which way you want to sugar coat it or justify it for whatever reasons. Whether Zionist or anti-Zionist, tyrants that impose their will or impose the will of their masters over the people by taking away basic freedoms, you won't catch me singing their praise.
Fuck them and their close minded oppression.
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06-09-2011, 03:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-09-2011, 04:05 AM by Mike_Smith.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-08-2011, 03:11 AM)Bluegrazz Wrote: Have you ever read Mein Kampf?

I've started into it twice. Last time I got to chapter 12 or so. I hate his writing style. Reading him list the "heros" at the begining of the book was about as excititing as reading all the "so and so begat so and so" in the Bible.


(06-08-2011, 03:37 AM)SiLVa Wrote: Tyrants are tyrants no matter which way you want to sugar coat it or justify it for whatever reasons. Whether Zionist or anti-Zionist, tyrants that impose their will or impose the will of their masters over the people by taking away basic freedoms, you won't catch me singing their praise.
Fuck them and their close minded oppression.

Perhaps, but some tyrants are also more benevolent than others.
My tyrant, Stephen Harper is an NWO puppet and is not trying to raise the standard of living in the nation, nor does he actually give a shit about the people. Immigration and racial tension is the norm. Control by foreign bankers is the way things are MEANT to be.

OTOH, Hitler wanted a strong, united and prosperous people. He realised that Germany could not keep taking these payments that gave him his rise to power so he created his own money to BENEFIT the nation and it's people. What's wrong with a little volksgemeinschaft?

To just brush off tyrants as "tyrants" it far too simplistic. Each man, tyrant or not should be judged according to his deeds, intents and merits.

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06-09-2011, 12:53 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Quote:Perhaps, but some tyrants are also more benevolent than others.
......................
OTOH, Hitler wanted a strong, united and prosperous people. He realised that Germany could not keep taking these payments that gave him his rise to power so he created his own money to BENEFIT the nation and it's people. What's wrong with a little volksgemeinschaft?

To just brush off tyrants as "tyrants" it far too simplistic. Each man, tyrant or not should be judged according to his deeds, intents and merits.
what a load of absolute SHITE
bluegrazz Wrote:deeds, intents and merits.
as for that statement.. erm... mass murder.. genocide, ethnic cleansing.. yeah ..pretty fucking wholesome and awesome sauce eh?

hitler was.. plain and simple.. a nasty bastard of a tyrant.
bluegrazz Wrote:OTOH, Hitler wanted a strong, united and prosperous people. He realised that Germany could not keep taking these payments that gave him his rise to power so he created his own money to BENEFIT the nation and it's people. What's wrong with a little volksgemeinschaft?

BWAHAHAHAHA
erm.. try googling " hyper inflation" to see what's wrong with printing money willy nilly. things like paying THOUSANDS in currency for.. say a loaf of bread

i cannot fucking believe there's a wee "group hug" of hitler fans here... seriously.. wtf? he was an epic wanker!

so you reckon he wasn't all bad......... remember it wasn't just jews he sent to those camps.. there's were of all things, tarot readers, gypsies,mystics in general, freemasons, slavs, coloured people,political dissenters, political opposition, physically and mentally disabled... you name it, it's captain bollock's(emphasis on the monorchid nature of the bestial fuck) list of people he wanted to get rid of to bring back an imaginary master race from Atlantis....

Also point to note.... a lot of the time the ussr and germany got on fantastically due to the MAJOR similarities in their political beliefs... i shit you not..
look up the Soviet Story

to sum up.. hitler.. mass murdering fucking shithead
no buts , no if's, no and's... he was a total murdering spiteful, hateful bastard.


now as for this
SiLVa Wrote:Tyrants are tyrants no matter which way you want to sugar coat it or justify it for whatever reasons. Whether Zionist or anti-Zionist, tyrants that impose their will or impose the will of their masters over the people by taking away basic freedoms, you won't catch me singing their praise.
Fuck them and their close minded oppression.

SiLva that is GOLD bud.. gold

anyways not that anything i could say could sway you on these notions..
so.. happy goose stepping..lol
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06-09-2011, 02:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-10-2011, 09:56 AM by SirBustaBear.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Hitler was not a glorious figure of light, acting on his own, but a puppet, controlled like all the major figures (Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin) in this arranged setup that is called WWII. He successfully achieved all the goals he was supposed to achieve, like:

- killing off certain "apostate" groups of people, including regular Jews of course (not "Zionists")
- blowing the remaining parts of the once rebellious Reich of Bismarck to smithereens
- betraying the German people (e.g. Stalingrad)
- humiliating the German people forever on the pages of history
- allowing the communist menace to take control of Eastern Europe (by stubbornly refusing any capitulation, which could have shortened the war considerably)

The Nazis – represented back then by Franz von Papen – signed the Reichskonkordat, which has a secret supplement in which the possibility of a "general mobilisation" was seriously discussed. Meaning: the parties involved knew quite well in advance where all this could and would lead to. Only the regular German guy was betrayed and the powers that be didn't care in any way if he died in the fields.

David Irving is the same one who once claimed that the German word "Ausrottung", that Heinrich Himmler used to describe the Nazi's treatment of the Jews, does not necessarily have to mean "extermination". At least since then this guy lost any potentially remaining credibility in my eyes.
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06-09-2011, 04:34 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-09-2011, 03:52 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: Perhaps, but some tyrants are also more benevolent than others.
My tyrant, Stephen Harper is an NWO puppet and is not trying to raise the standard of living in the nation, nor does he actually give a shit about the people. Immigration and racial tension is the norm. Control by foreign bankers is the way things are MEANT to be.

OTOH, Hitler wanted a strong, united and prosperous people. He realised that Germany could not keep taking these payments that gave him his rise to power so he created his own money to BENEFIT the nation and it's people. What's wrong with a little volksgemeinschaft?

To just brush off tyrants as "tyrants" it far too simplistic. Each man, tyrant or not should be judged according to his deeds, intents and merits.

So you think Hitler wasnt as much an NWO puppet as Harper is? Come on man, I know your smarter than that.
Im not simplifying anything really - Hitler was a tyrant, thats just a simple truth. You can say he had good intentions, but only for a select group of people though and at the expense of plenty others, and many that were innocent. If youre willing to justify what he did do for a select few yet disregard all the problems he caused for the rest of the people, your discernment skills are questionable.
I do agree there are tyrants of all types. Most political "leaders" are tyrants, just by the nature of their jobs. Some definitely worse than others. Hitler, benevolent? Right...Im sure plenty of people would say the same of Harper or Obama too.
Their all tyrants in my book.
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06-09-2011, 04:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-09-2011, 04:45 PM by shuffle.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Quote:Also point to note.... a lot of the time the ussr and germany got on fantastically due to the MAJOR similarities in their political beliefs... i shit you not..
look up the Soviet Story

Indeed. That was the pre and initial war phase though. The Soviets gladly passed on lots of top info on running a gulag type set-up - especially their top effective secret - the use of Fluoride - which was soon chucked into the Nazi camps water supply too.

I still like the fact we have people like David Irving though. We need those sort of perspectives and A LOT of history could do with a bit of re//vision.
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06-09-2011, 05:24 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
I can't remember who remarked it, but I remember chuckling once when somebody was taking the piss out of these Odinist groups, how the followers were preaching how they were some superior strain of human due to their ancestry from Odin and Thor yet had jobs in burger king.

It reminds me of this Hitler worship, all these idiots may have been useful as cannon fodder in Hitler's army but as far as any claim to being part of a master strain, don't flatter yourselves. The Nazi eugenic policy would have had you guys sterilised along with everybody else not conforming to the ideal of the Nazi party. None of you guys know what Hitler had in mind with that concept, but its fair to say most Hitler advocates would not have been the prototype of the 'overman'. Most likely they would still occupy the positions most of them have now and the position their ancestors had. Long before coloured slavery, tyrants were using their 'own' people as cattle much like the white slave trade and, as many whites like to preach, the blacks were enslaving their own and selling them off long before any whites used them as slaves.

Hitler's remarks on sociology are poor (if he even wrote Mein Kampf) and he should have factored in the more Machiavellian nature of rulers before reaching his conclusions. Incidentally, the same Machiavellian methods he and his party used. In fact that is food for thought, Mein Kampf has attained biblical status amongst its advocates and the bible is largely a collection of myths to attract weak minded people in need of someone to tell them how to live and think. It also serves as a unifying myth where the rulers give a set of bullshit ideas to the public to better manage that population. Alongside this is pandering to the ego of the average idiot by insinuating that they are somehow more special than everyone else by virtue of belonging to the collective; they are a more advanced type of human with a more advanced social system. This is done for the exact same methods afflicting every civilised society in history - to ensure a happy work force. His promoters are blind, usually (though not always) telling the rest of us how Christian civilization (substitute any other theocratic civilization) for example, used the bible (substitute the holy book of a nation) to create a servile populace exploited by the rulers, but Hitler was apparently different despite having his own equivalent of the Inquisition and his cohorts making statements suggesting they don't care about the philosophy they allowed everyone to think that they followed.

The concept of the 'new man' is an ancient occult maxim. The Soviet Story documentary goes through it a little, Mikhail Heller's book 'Cogs in the Wheel' goes through it in greater detail going so far as naming it 'Homo Sovieticus', Nietszche promoted it, it is within Theosophy as the upcoming root race, is promoted by transhumanists as Homo Sapiens 2.0, is even hinted at in the Abrahamic tradition, was the basis of eugenics and is implicitly implied within the theory of evolution. The underlying factor is very simple, it is an acceptance that our existing way of doing things is based upon rulers and the ruled, the ruled from time to time disobey, thus the rulers seek to modify their slaves into an ever more efficient work force who will become the 'new man' or the alleged 'overman' who in truth is to be the collectivised, hive minded, remote controlled, microchip implanted, transhuman efficient worker machine, with no consciousness but increased physical abilities to ensure they can work longer, faster and harder for somebody else.
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06-10-2011, 04:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-10-2011, 08:54 AM by Bluegrazz.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-09-2011, 12:53 PM)pax681 Wrote:
Quote:Perhaps, but some tyrants are also more benevolent than others.
......................
OTOH, Hitler wanted a strong, united and prosperous people. He realised that Germany could not keep taking these payments that gave him his rise to power so he created his own money to BENEFIT the nation and it's people. What's wrong with a little volksgemeinschaft?

To just brush off tyrants as "tyrants" it far too simplistic. Each man, tyrant or not should be judged according to his deeds, intents and merits.
what a load of absolute SHITE
bluegrazz Wrote:deeds, intents and merits.
as for that statement.. erm... mass murder.. genocide, ethnic cleansing.. yeah ..pretty fucking wholesome and awesome sauce eh?

hitler was.. plain and simple.. a nasty bastard of a tyrant.
bluegrazz Wrote:OTOH, Hitler wanted a strong, united and prosperous people. He realised that Germany could not keep taking these payments that gave him his rise to power so he created his own money to BENEFIT the nation and it's people. What's wrong with a little volksgemeinschaft?

BWAHAHAHAHA
erm.. try googling " hyper inflation" to see what's wrong with printing money willy nilly. things like paying THOUSANDS in currency for.. say a loaf of bread

i cannot fucking believe there's a wee "group hug" of hitler fans here... seriously.. wtf? he was an epic wanker!

so you reckon he wasn't all bad......... remember it wasn't just jews he sent to those camps.. there's were of all things, tarot readers, gypsies,mystics in general, freemasons, slavs, coloured people,political dissenters, political opposition, physically and mentally disabled... you name it, it's captain bollock's(emphasis on the monorchid nature of the bestial fuck) list of people he wanted to get rid of to bring back an imaginary master race from Atlantis....

Also point to note.... a lot of the time the ussr and germany got on fantastically due to the MAJOR similarities in their political beliefs... i shit you not..
look up the Soviet Story

to sum up.. hitler.. mass murdering fucking shithead
no buts , no if's, no and's... he was a total murdering spiteful, hateful bastard.

...Says the idiot who quotes someone else using my name....
now as for this
SiLVa Wrote:Tyrants are tyrants no matter which way you want to sugar coat it or justify it for whatever reasons. Whether Zionist or anti-Zionist, tyrants that impose their will or impose the will of their masters over the people by taking away basic freedoms, you won't catch me singing their praise.
Fuck them and their close minded oppression.

SiLva that is GOLD bud.. gold

anyways not that anything i could say could sway you on these notions..
so.. happy goose stepping..lol

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06-11-2011, 10:30 AM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Interesting thread I stumbled upon.

Goose stepping may have encouraged people to follow Nazis
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=4981

Not always the peoples' fault but we do need to be of stronger will or we'll get stomped. Today hypnosis is prevalant so we really have to hedge ourselves against it by not plugging into propaganda of all forms, that includes TV, Music, The Interwebs and this website. Just thinking and creating of yourself on a daily basis over a variety of mediums and communing with nature is often enough.

Very important to teach our children this. Those without kidlings I'm sure you can reach the youth if you tried even a little through relatives or just talking to them as they pass in and out of your life. They don't want to be told what to think, just given the opportunity to think.

.. and sometimes you end up with creations that are counter-cultural, right or wrong, so what - at least some of us can think for ourselves still.

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