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"Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police" ~David Irving IMG INT
06-12-2011, 10:10 AM,
#16
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Definition of FABULOUS
1
a : resembling or suggesting a fable : of an incredible, astonishing, or exaggerated nature <fabulous wealth> b : wonderful, marvelous <had a fabulous time>
2
: told in or based on fable
— fab·u·lous·ly adverb
— fab·u·lous·ness noun

Definition of GREAT
1
a : notably large in size : huge b : of a kind characterized by relative largeness —used in plant and animal names c : elaborate, ample <great detail>
2
a : large in number or measure : numerous <great multitudes> b : predominant <the great majority>
3
: remarkable in magnitude, degree, or effectiveness <great bloodshed>
4
: full of emotion <great with anger>
5
a : eminent, distinguished <a great poet> b : chief or preeminent over others —often used in titles <Lord Great Chamberlain> c : aristocratic, grand <great ladies>
6
: long continued <a great while>
7
: principal, main <a reception in the great hall>
8
: more remote in a family relationship by a single generation than a specified relative <great-grandfather>
9
: markedly superior in character or quality; especially : noble <great of soul>
10
a : remarkably skilled <great at tennis> b : marked by enthusiasm : keen <great on science fiction>
11
—used as a generalized term of approval <had a great time> <it was just great>
— great·ness noun

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fabulous
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/great
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06-12-2011, 03:40 PM,
#17
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Bluegrazz apologies for misquoting BUT
you were indeed in the "oh Hitler wasn't so bad" stance in this thread.
and that is pretty bloody repugnant.
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06-12-2011, 07:35 PM,
#18
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-12-2011, 03:40 PM)pax681 Wrote: Bluegrazz apologies for misquoting BUT
you were indeed in the "oh Hitler wasn't so bad" stance in this thread.
and that is pretty bloody repugnant.

Not a problem at all Pax and thanks for apologizing. To explain a bit, I have no idea if he was "Bad" or not (dont know the guy) but think he has been demonized for something I do not think happened (the holocaust). I also stated that most people would agree with the bulk of his book Mein Kampf UNTIL they learned it was his book in which case they are programmed to hate those ideals based on who made them.

I never see a discussion about Hitler without blind hate based on "official" history and MSM "facts" (the same MSM and official History that is shunned in nearly all else they say). I just want to see discussion of ALL things.

Personally I think (note: I THINK) Hitler was a pawn and a necessary one at that . Isnt it interesting that the skull the Russians assured us was Hitlers (skull fragment to me more precise) turned out to be that of a woman? And our next "great" villan Osama bin Laden had his body completely hidden and destroyed via "ocean burial" so those pesky technologies will not later prove that he too is an agent?

I dont care if you rip my words apart, call me an idiot etc.... I just want them to be my words.

Anyhow, thanks again.
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06-18-2011, 08:43 AM,
#19
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Quote:as for that statement.. erm... mass murder.. genocide, ethnic cleansing.. yeah ..pretty fucking wholesome and awesome sauce eh?

Oh FFS!, not another holohoax believer... I thought this place was a sheep-free zone.

Quote:"to sum up.. hitler.. mass murdering fucking shithead
no buts , no if's, no and's... he was a total murdering spiteful, hateful bastard."

Okay dude... you've just demonstrated ad hominem attack... I can't even try to debate with you, nor do I think that's within your capabilities. I don't even think you can fathom that people can respect Hitler for some of his doings, yet despise some of his failings as I do. Go get some critical thinking skills.

Quote:David Irving is the same one who once claimed that the German word "Ausrottung", that Heinrich Himmler used to describe the Nazi's treatment of the Jews, does not necessarily have to mean "extermination". At least since then this guy lost any potentially remaining credibility in my eyes.

How much German do you actually know? I am certainly no native German speaker but in the past two years of studying it, I have realised that the langauge itself had FAR FEWER words than English has, thus many German words are far more vague or have multiple meanings. The German language simply hasn't borrowed as much from other langauges to express what needs to be said. For instance, English words are based primarily on German, French, Latin and Greek. The native German words are based on German... nothing more. For another simple example, the German word Sie, can mean "you", "she" and "they". The word "Er" can mean "He", but it also means "it" when referring to a masculine gendered word or article. The word "Ihr has OTHER meaning besides simply "your"..."That's how vague and confusing that language is, and you're going to contradict David Irving who actually speaks it proficiently? Moerover, not only do the root words have multiple meanings or infered contexts, but so do the prefixes and suffixes. And considering German is a language where they bash a million prefixes. suffixes and such into a single word of immeassurable length, how can you possibly claim YOU know what the word means and not David Irving?


My point is this: I too have seen that video of DI where he says that word (which you got wrong... anyways... english, phonetically it would be aus-geh-rotten) and he EXPLAINS the context of the preceeding sentences to explain WHY he reached that conclusion.

I'd suggest if you want to pick bones over German words you at least learn it at a conversational level. viel Glück

Quote:Im not simplifying anything really - Hitler was a tyrant, thats just a simple truth. You can say he had good intentions, but only for a select group of people though and at the expense of plenty others, and many that were innocent. If youre willing to justify what he did do for a select few yet disregard all the problems he caused for the rest of the people, your discernment skills are questionable.

Finally something intelligible and beyond vitriol; something I can actually address.

Your sentence sums it up perfectly for me because more or less that is what I'm trying to address. Namely, I have a dichotomy regarding Hitler. I can't condone or forgive some of the things Hitler has done, or those things he's aledged to have done, like banging his half neice to suicide, Geli Raubal, the T4 euthanasia program etc.

On the other hand, certain allegations such as Krystalnacht I simply don't buy about the man. The guy was on the world's stage, made Time magazine's man of the year for 2 years, he sure the fuck didn't need Krystalnacht. So when David Irving says Josef Geobbels diary states Hitler calls him up in the middle of the night asking how to quash this violence and its rammifications upon the Riech, I'm rather inclined to believe that's HOW a statesman would react... not rubbing his hands together feverishly while drooling from the mouth about every Jew that gets killed. The former sounds reasonable, the latter like propaganda.

Quote:Fluoride - which was soon chucked into the Nazi camps water supply too.
So says Alex Jones ad nauseum. Got proof besides "Germanic Death Cult" Alex?

Long post... trying to make it short... you guys have too much emotional ww2 agit-prop to even address. I tried to sum up how I feel re: Hiter answering Silva. To Wit: I do not like or approve of T4... or even concentration camps etc. I DO HOWEVER fully support Hitler in his reclaimation of the Sahr and of the Rurh from the French. I think the claims of "Hitler was out to rule the world" as absolute hogwash. Germany had every right to access to East Prussia and moreover Danzig should have been returned forthwith.

Germany DID NOT want ww2, England did. MOreover, England laid the first declaration of war! Nuff said.





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06-18-2011, 03:03 PM,
#20
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
mike smith Wrote:Oh FFS!, not another holohoax believer... I thought this place was a sheep-free zone.
My Grand Father was at Auschwitz.. it was no hoax

Mike Smith Wrote:I don't even think you can fathom that people can respect Hitler for some of his doings, yet despise some of his failings as I do. Go get some critical thinking skills.
yeah yeah and Mussolini got the train running on time in Italy.. he was still a fascist asshole too.

mike smith Wrote:I can't even try to debate with you, nor do I think that's within your capabilities. I don't even think you can fathom that people can respect Hitler for some of his doings, yet despise some of his failings as I do. Go get some critical thinking skills

i am always up for debate and one thing you are SPOT on about.. no i cannot fathom people who respect hitler especially here!
he represented one of the nastiest totalitarian ,oppressive regimes in modern time. He was an absolute dictator.... and most certainly was looking to grab as much land as possible. Just look at all the theatres od war he was involved in... europe, africa, the atlantic(north ad south) and also into Asia where they teamed up with their chums from Japan. What might be termed a co-ordinated land grab through means of war. He even teamed up with a bunch of people in Iraq who were well known for their hatred of Jews...... this bunch of people gave birth to the Ba'ath Party which brought you Saddam Hussein.(who fucked over the kurds and the Marsh Arabs, many of whom were not muslim but Mandeans.. however i digress

doesn't that strike you as something rather obviously in the trying to get as much land (countries) possible? doesn't that give a hint to plans of domination of as many countries as possible?
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer .. one people, one empire, one leader
think about that.........
this forum is chock full of globalist agendas and why they are simply not right in their many flavours and colours in these forums.


sorry mike but you are simply coming off as a nazi apologist

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06-18-2011, 04:03 PM,
#21
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-18-2011, 03:03 PM)pax681 Wrote: sorry mike but you are simply coming off as a nazi apologist

Are you really surprised pax? I've noticed Mike's posts elesewhere and judging by them, the Nazi society seems to match his ideal society i.e a society of the 'superior race' with the great and wise father figure telling everyone what to do, but he's not selfish, no no, he knows best and knows better than everybody so he's not really bossing us around, he's just suggesting what we should do and out of that great wisdom who are we to not take his advice on board. Naturally this means the inferiors are unwelcome to be either exterminated or used as cheap labour.

Thus he has his own agenda for saying/defending such things which are to safeguard existing biases which are so intertwined with his sense of self that anything portraying his ideals in a bad light must be defeated. One gets the sense that he has had similar beliefs for most of his life, to the point that his whole cognitive function is vital to maintaining a 'healthy' mind.

He is no truth seeker, rather he is attempting to get anything possible to fit with his pre-existing belief system. One gets the sense also that he would be more sympathetic to the nwo if it really was 'Germanic death cults' but as they are not, and of course 'its the jews', it manifests as being against the nwo and by association totalitarianism which is not actually the case. He's not necessarily bothered about the method, provided he gains from it. Its reminiscent of the divisive tactics slave-owners used amongst black and white slaves, where white slaves were elevated slightly over the black, making a unified stance against their common conditions much more difficult due to the instillation of a faux-elitism within the white slave population ergo it blinded them that they too were slaves. In typical fashion, this means if one is closer to the upper echelons of society, they'll invariably look down upon those 'lower' than them.

The Nazi revisionism in general reminds me of the revisionism of Hindu nationalists. When India declared its 'independance', the subsequent Marxist historians of the socialist regime had a field day ripping apart the ancient caste system and, by proxy, Hinduism itself leading to a general feeling of the religion itself being discredited. Marxist historical interpretations, generally being the rage in Western academia, were largely accepted. Upon the subsequent popularity of the new age movement however, and its associated rituals and beliefs filtering their way into the mainstream, it was noticed by practitioners that the majority of new age philosophy was derived from Hinduism. Enter once again more revisionists rewriting history to suit their own agenda. While the Marxists had allowed an Aryan invasion to explain the slavery that was caste society, the revisionists not only claimed their was no invasion, it now transpired that there wasn't really a caste system either, it was an invention of the British during their occupation of India as a modification of the class system. Subsequently, westerm acceptance and defence (in certain quarters) fuelled the rising nationalist movements of today, as those groups (not entirely wrong it must be admitted) realise that India is still a puppet state of the west. They were unable to obtain serious numbers due to the discrediting in general of Hinduism. The idealistic westerners, many of them outgrowths of the hippies or the psychadelic crowds, had supplied the ammo required for the reestablishing of Hinduism as a legitimate ideal again. The nationalists have a heavy Islamic hatred and are surprisingly (or not depending on your viewpoint) pretty pro-Zionist due to the hatred between the two religions, leading to many attacks on various Muslim communities in India. It doesn't look good though with Pakistan and China nearby generally having (in the made for TV propaganda known as the news) bad terms with India and her western allies. But the point was to show how idealism brings out lies and defending the indefensible via apologetics. Its still not as funny as Cathoic apologists though or not even as funny as the Mossad training Tamil Tigers, who don't get along with pro-Zionist Hindu nationals but I digress.

To find people advocate things that they have no vested interest in is a rare thing. To find people who promote things that they do have a vested interest in is extremely common. Truth and therfore solutions suffer as a result.
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06-18-2011, 09:04 PM,
#22
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-18-2011, 04:03 PM)R.R Wrote:
(06-18-2011, 03:03 PM)pax681 Wrote: sorry mike but you are simply coming off as a nazi apologist

Are you really surprised pax? I've noticed Mike's posts elesewhere and judging by them, the Nazi society seems to match his ideal society i.e a society of the 'superior race' with the great and wise father figure telling everyone what to do, but he's not selfish, no no, he knows best and knows better than everybody so he's not really bossing us around, he's just suggesting what we should do and out of that great wisdom who are we to not take his advice on board. Naturally this means the inferiors are unwelcome to be either exterminated or used as cheap labour.

Thus he has his own agenda for saying/defending such things which are to safeguard existing biases which are so intertwined with his sense of self that anything portraying his ideals in a bad light must be defeated. One gets the sense that he has had similar beliefs for most of his life, to the point that his whole cognitive function is vital to maintaining a 'healthy' mind.

He is no truth seeker, rather he is attempting to get anything possible to fit with his pre-existing belief system. One gets the sense also that he would be more sympathetic to the nwo if it really was 'Germanic death cults' but as they are not, and of course 'its the jews', it manifests as being against the nwo and by association totalitarianism which is not actually the case. He's not necessarily bothered about the method, provided he gains from it. Its reminiscent of the divisive tactics slave-owners used amongst black and white slaves, where white slaves were elevated slightly over the black, making a unified stance against their common conditions much more difficult due to the instillation of a faux-elitism within the white slave population ergo it blinded them that they too were slaves. In typical fashion, this means if one is closer to the upper echelons of society, they'll invariably look down upon those 'lower' than them.

The Nazi revisionism in general reminds me of the revisionism of Hindu nationalists. When India declared its 'independance', the subsequent Marxist historians of the socialist regime had a field day ripping apart the ancient caste system and, by proxy, Hinduism itself leading to a general feeling of the religion itself being discredited. Marxist historical interpretations, generally being the rage in Western academia, were largely accepted. Upon the subsequent popularity of the new age movement however, and its associated rituals and beliefs filtering their way into the mainstream, it was noticed by practitioners that the majority of new age philosophy was derived from Hinduism. Enter once again more revisionists rewriting history to suit their own agenda. While the Marxists had allowed an Aryan invasion to explain the slavery that was caste society, the revisionists not only claimed their was no invasion, it now transpired that there wasn't really a caste system either, it was an invention of the British during their occupation of India as a modification of the class system. Subsequently, westerm acceptance and defence (in certain quarters) fuelled the rising nationalist movements of today, as those groups (not entirely wrong it must be admitted) realise that India is still a puppet state of the west. They were unable to obtain serious numbers due to the discrediting in general of Hinduism. The idealistic westerners, many of them outgrowths of the hippies or the psychadelic crowds, had supplied the ammo required for the reestablishing of Hinduism as a legitimate ideal again. The nationalists have a heavy Islamic hatred and are surprisingly (or not depending on your viewpoint) pretty pro-Zionist due to the hatred between the two religions, leading to many attacks on various Muslim communities in India. It doesn't look good though with Pakistan and China nearby generally having (in the made for TV propaganda known as the news) bad terms with India and her western allies. But the point was to show how idealism brings out lies and defending the indefensible via apologetics. Its still not as funny as Cathoic apologists though or not even as funny as the Mossad training Tamil Tigers, who don't get along with pro-Zionist Hindu nationals but I digress.

To find people advocate things that they have no vested interest in is a rare thing. To find people who promote things that they do have a vested interest in is extremely common. Truth and therfore solutions suffer as a result.

Well said sir!
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06-19-2011, 10:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-20-2011, 08:35 AM by SirBustaBear.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-18-2011, 08:43 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: How much German do you actually know?

Actually I AM a German myself. It's my first language, I'm a native speaker. I know of no other meaning of this word in our times. As far as it is related to living things (which the Jews certainly are) it always refers to a complete extirpation (= extermination). In addition Irving completely ignored the whole context of the speech where there are references to killing people, how hard it is etc. To see how absolutely ridiculous his argument is, see the detailed refutation here please:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/ausrotten.shtml

They even looked up the meaning in common German dictionaries of that time and after, several ones for comparison too.

So all in all this nasty picture emerges – revisionists often say: where is the proof? With Himmler's speech some pretty undeniable proof for the plans of the Nazis was delivered. Then the revisionist Irving just goes: ah, wait, words are not words, you know? He relies on his assumption that most of his followers aren't native German speakers and won't see how far fetched his whole argument really is and how he tries to grasp at straws here. In hindsight this looks really tragic to me – for Irving.

And if you want to read some other infamous quotes by Irving, please follow the link to the following PDF:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/pamphlets/irving/who-is-irving.pdf

Quite revealing, isn't it?

The authors of this PDF say that Irving has never refuted these quotes and claims. The basic truth is: Irving is a man who WANTS to defend his glorious figure of light, Adolf Hitler – no matter how much the facts speak against this image.

(06-18-2011, 08:43 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: that word (which you got wrong... anyways... english, phonetically it would be aus-geh-rotten)

Look up the transcript of Himmler's speech, it's the noun "Ausrottung" that he uses there.

(06-18-2011, 08:43 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: I'd suggest if you want to pick bones over German words you at least learn it at a conversational level. viel Glück

Now that was really funny, danke schön! You have to blame yourself for what you are doing to yourself here. But it's not me picking bones over words, it is Irving, see above.

And if I may return the favour: before you lecture me about the German language you might want to consult a real native speaker and not just take the word of self-proclaimed expert on the German language, David Irving, for it.



PS: I often heard the claim by revisionists, that their arguments are never debated, but always stifled by use of derogatory labels. That's not quite true, as can be seen in my extensive link list that I have posted recently.
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06-20-2011, 05:23 PM,
#24
RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-19-2011, 10:02 PM)SirBustaBear Wrote:
(06-18-2011, 08:43 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: How much German do you actually know?

Actually I AM a German myself. It's my first language, I'm a native speaker. I know of no other meaning of this word in our times. As far as it is related to living things (which the Jews certainly are) it always refers to a complete extirpation (= extermination). In addition Irving completely ignored the whole context of the speech where there are references to killing people, how hard it is etc. To see how absolutely ridiculous his argument is, see the detailed refutation here please:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/ausrotten.shtml

They even looked up the meaning in common German dictionaries of that time and after, several ones for comparison too.

So all in all this nasty picture emerges – revisionists often say: where is the proof? With Himmler's speech some pretty undeniable proof for the plans of the Nazis was delivered. Then the revisionist Irving just goes: ah, wait, words are not words, you know? He relies on his assumption that most of his followers aren't native German speakers and won't see how far fetched his whole argument really is and how he tries to grasp at straws here. In hindsight this looks really tragic to me – for Irving.

And if you want to read some other infamous quotes by Irving, please follow the link to the following PDF:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/pamphlets/irving/who-is-irving.pdf

Quite revealing, isn't it?

The authors of this PDF say that Irving has never refuted these quotes and claims. The basic truth is: Irving is a man who WANTS to defend his glorious figure of light, Adolf Hitler – no matter how much the facts speak against this image.

(06-18-2011, 08:43 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: that word (which you got wrong... anyways... english, phonetically it would be aus-geh-rotten)

Look up the transcript of Himmler's speech, it's the noun "Ausrottung" that he uses there.

(06-18-2011, 08:43 AM)Mike_Smith Wrote: I'd suggest if you want to pick bones over German words you at least learn it at a conversational level. viel Glück

Now that was really funny, danke schön! You have to blame yourself for what you are doing to yourself here. But it's not me picking bones over words, it is Irving, see above.

And if I may return the favour: before you lecture me about the German language you might want to consult a real native speaker and not just take the word of self-proclaimed expert on the German language, David Irving, for it.



PS: I often heard the claim by revisionists, that their arguments are never debated, but always stifled by use of derogatory labels. That's not quite true, as can be seen in my extensive link list that I have posted recently.

SirBustaBear.. some very fine points and very well put.
and for that
ich danke Ihnen sehr für Ihre gelehrten Beitrag
und
Ich bin so glücklich, ich konnte Scheiße!
lol ok the second bit is a wee bit rude but funny and was taught to me by a German guy who worked with the British army in Munster Tongue
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07-29-2011, 05:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-29-2011, 06:23 AM by Mike_Smith.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
(06-18-2011, 03:03 PM)pax681 Wrote: My Grand Father was at Auschwitz.. it was no hoax

I've been to Auschwitz too. I stood in the "gas chamber" with 2 other ConCen members... wearing a ConCen sweatshirt to boot.

Did that make the 3 of us holocaust survivors too?

It's rather telling to note that you're not claiming your Grandfather perished there...

Quote:sorry mike but you are simply coming off as a nazi apologist

For me it's more a matter of a German apologist perhaps. The Nazi's were the ones in power so they did the deeds as it were, but notwithstanding that, Germany still got screwed by the Jews and the Treaty of Versailles.

I don't have a drop of German blood in me, but I have sympathy for the Germans of today that are forced to live in shame for what they have not done and for many things alledged that never were.

If that makes me a Nazi or Hitler apologist, so be it. Heil Hitler, Seig Heil and all that shit.



(06-18-2011, 04:03 PM)R.R Wrote:
(06-18-2011, 03:03 PM)pax681 Wrote: sorry mike but you are simply coming off as a nazi apologist

Are you really surprised pax? I've noticed Mike's posts elesewhere and judging by them, the Nazi society seems to match his ideal society i.e a society of the 'superior race' with the great and wise father figure telling everyone what to do, but he's not selfish, no no, he knows best and knows better than everybody

You sure seem to think you know a lot about a guy you never met.

My "ideal society" wouldn't involve National Socialism or ANY governmental form, left center or right. I'm anarcho-freemarket politically and have always maintained that on ConCen for the past 7 or 8 years now?

If I had to have lived under the Nazi's I would have been in Dachau as a political dissident. National Socialism just isn't my cup of tea.

Because I may have said racist things here and there, and because I worry for the future of the white race in no way makes me a Nazi, only a bigot and no apologies are forthcoming.

You can try and tar me with that brush, but I'm of a different political stripe.


(06-19-2011, 10:02 PM)SirBustaBear Wrote: And if you want to read some other infamous quotes by Irving, please follow the link to the following PDF:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/pamphlets/irving/who-is-irving.pdf

Quite revealing, isn't it?

I'll give it a look at. Thanks.

I do have to ask myself though... what axe did DI ever have to grind?

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07-29-2011, 08:34 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Mike_Smith Wrote:You sure seem to think you know a lot about a guy you never met.

No, re-read what you quoted:

R.R Wrote:I've noticed Mike's posts elesewhere and judging by them

I've not gone through all of your posts, but I have come across a few and based on those, which were predominantly defenses of Hitler or racial 'humour', I made that judgment.

I feel somewhat vindicated by your response:

Mike_Smith Wrote:Because I may have said racist things here and there, and because I worry for the future of the white race in no way makes me a Nazi, only a bigot and no apologies are forthcoming.

I don't recall asking for an apology.

Mike_Smith Wrote:My "ideal society" wouldn't involve National Socialism or ANY governmental form, left center or right. I'm anarcho-freemarket politically and have always maintained that on ConCen for the past 7 or 8 years now?

I never said your 'ideal society' would involve a governmental form. I said:

R.R Wrote:the Nazi society seems to match his ideal society i.e a society of the 'superior race' with the great and wise father figure telling everyone what to do.....Naturally this means the inferiors are unwelcome to be either exterminated or used as cheap labour.

Aside from the father figure, would your 'ideal society' contain only whites? What would you do to the 'inferior races'? Remember 'ideal society' would mean, well, your ideal, not necessarily a pragmatic approach to existing problems such as freemarket-anarchism. Also, Hitler had grander ambitions, national socialism was merely a stage in a longer term strategy to realise his ideals, somewhat akin to a state declaring martial law for instance - a temporary but 'necessary' phase as part of achieving something else.

Mike_Smith Wrote:You can try and tar me with that brush, but I'm of a different political stripe.

I never accused you of being a Nazi/national socialist, only that your ideal matches the Nazi ideal and that ideal was not national socialism. I should have said 'Nazi ideal' instead of 'Nazi society' in the original post but thats hindsight for you.

My chief contention was with the Nazi defending. I don't give a fuck if a person is a racist/racialist, the behaviour is more relevant i.e what will the racist do with said beliefs? Go on a killing spree or keep their beliefs to themselves/not use the racism to cloud their judgment possibly leading to committing injustices? Aside from defending Hitler, the only other vigour I've come across by you is in racial debates.

Mike_Smith Wrote:I have sympathy for the Germans of today that are forced to live in shame for what they have not done and for many things alledged that never were.

Similar stuff has happened on inumerable occassions to many different people and nations, why only feel sympathy for Germany? Do you have sympathy for the many other people who were fucked over? At least the Germans can worry about the triviality of such things and not have to worry about finding a meal or shelter or the many other needs that require fulfilling before your life is so pointless that you can whine about such rubbish.

Anyway, like I said, my contention was with the Hitler apologetics more than anything else (and the underlying motivations). As fate would have it, I've recently done a small review of a book, that is pertinent to this conversation. Hitler was no miracle worker, merely a pawn in a wider game. Much like legitimate terrorists today who are unknowingly recruited by their enemies, to eventually destroy them, lending an air of credibility to the carefully crafted narrative that is the news. Those legitimate terrorists really do believe the nonsense that they preach hence their ease of manipulation and guarantee that they will carry out extreme behaviour which is required to scare others in order to have a viable excuse to meddle in those peoples' affairs. Weapons, financing etc are covertly supplied to these people (the required enemies of the powers that be) to build them up into a threat that they never were or ever capable of becoming without outside help and based on that outside help, Hitler deserves no praise or recognition for anything that can be considered accomplishments even if it was too late when he realised he was a puppet.

http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=35849&pid=224530#pid224530
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07-29-2011, 09:06 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
can i interject?

hitler really liked romantic comedies and had a really good eye for colour. Now , Churchill, awful painter, i mean, terrible!

yes there was a war, one of them won, one of them lost. but who was the greater painter?


while you think on that ill just say that he was the george bush of his day. great on the stands and scared the shit out of everyone. some say if they could they would go back in time and kill him to stop it all happening. that would not have solved the dilemma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

cause springs effect...
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07-29-2011, 09:55 PM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Mike_Smith Wrote:It's rather telling to note that you're not claiming your Grandfather perished there...
he went in there a 6ft 14 stone and he left the place a 6ft tall 8 stone man with health problems that were with him till his death, that and haunted by the memories of what went on there.

He was scared from beating and also got a stab wound from a guard, luckily the camp was captured soon thereafter and thus he lived to tell the tale.

what's more rather telling is your presumptions in trying to justify an unjustifiable stance and the "white race" crapioca.. even more telling tbh
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07-30-2011, 10:41 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-30-2011, 11:07 PM by Deathaniel.)
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Curious how the debate has went with this topic. it is clear to see who lives and breathes the MSM BS. I don't speak german being canadian for the past 350 years but come from proper irish stock and had family who fought in both ww's My great grandfather killed over 60 germans in both wars and was proud of it. but like those here who post how bad germany/ nazi's were it comes from propaganda and the NWO plan.

Sure Hitler was placed in power by the jews but he soon decided to be rid of them, and he sent them away to the west first, but we didn't want them either so we sent them back. And the reasons were as clear then as they are for some of us today Jews (zionist) are the problem they are the true oppressors look how they re-write history and have caused 60+ years of unrest in the middle east. As a Human who hopes for the best of humanity i can only hope the fate of human kind can be saved from it's current path. The Nazi's weither through occultism or ET contact knew what was to befall us and knew if they wished to save the human race (the better part of it mind you) we had to tech up and push forward with out the mind limiting constraints of foolish religions and false morality. Just look @ today, were all probably dead soon if not from above then from with in.


Either way the world is lost to freedom, we can't control what we eat, learn, or do. The Nazi regime was humanities last hope for freedom to exist, sure he curtailed some things but it was the counter intel movement and yes he put plenty in camps. as would i get caught all cracked or junked out and it's bye bye 4 ever. that would end the drug epidemic, comit crimes of a sexual nature and be put to the public stone (one thing the muslems have right). Instead our society is dumbed down and has lost what it means to be human.

If the world had been sympathetic to the jews then they would have accepted the boat loads sent over, but like my G-grandfather who hated "crouts" he also couldn't stand the dirty jews. But the world was a smarter place then and the world knew what the Jew stood for domination and enslavement!!!!

For those over here especially Germans i meet who are not even taught bout ww2 for germany's fear of a revival of national prideSuspicious i have only three questions:

1. how long was hitlers controlled war vs the middle east and southern europe now asia's war lasted?

2. how many jews truly died propaganda a side VS the other camp inmate sub-cultures?

3. wheres the free country for the fags, tards, gypsies and "others " who were interned... why were the jews the only group to be given someone elses lands to have a home place?

Hitler was a man! Do men make mistakes sure he attacked russia didn't he?? if only he had shown restraint, and i have to agree shagging the niece was also a mistake as it lost him respect internally with some of his own who knew. But the rest of the true story is a sign of how GREAT he was, not only did he conquer most of limp wrist ed europe, but he ensured Germany was the best of the best for an additional 30 years in the ways of tech, media, and need i mention the space program ....????Icon_biggrin

And yes he even got away and not just away but very away with most of his best tech, yet now the world is told he was killed to disgrace him with one last lie bout him. It's comparable but not in true equality to ossama, Though i doubt he and his cave dwelling folks had anything to do with 911, maybe they dreamed it up but that was all jew all day!!!!!

Hitler tried to save humanity from it's current and coming doom, we can only hope for us in the top of the globe we live past what comith and that some of the true history and not just jew text books last to carry on the story of what was. Bad enough with this technological age we're in with digital information storage we will be a second dark ages after in regards to history.

Reminds me an old ditty i humm often....

"I can see the glory..... of the marching @ the zoo....."Cheeky

Course on a separate note so far the 2 listens I've given David Ike were enough to know he has drank too much from the disinfo well to know what the f he's talking bout....
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

Deathanyl @gmail!!!!!!
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07-31-2011, 12:10 AM,
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RE: Hitler was a great man and the Gestapo were fabulous police David Irving claims
Deathaniel Wrote:Hitler tried to save humanity from it's current and coming doom
you are seriously having a fucking laugh bud.
asides from other nonsense that line is the kicker.
sorry but just plain bollocks.

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