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Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
09-09-2010, 12:34 AM,
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Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests, Altering the Chemistry of the Atmosphere and Hydrosphere

Quote:by Rady Ananda
Global Research, September 8, 2010

Imagine our declining pollinators – bees, moths, butterflies and bats – coming upon thousands of acres of toxic trees, genetically engineered so that every cell in the tree exudes pesticide, from crown to root. Imagine a world without pollinators. Without seed dispersers. Without soil microbes.

It would be a silent forest, a killing forest, an alien forest. No wonder Vandana Shiva scoffs at the moniker, biotechnology. “This is not a life technology. It’s a death science.”

Genetically engineered forests are a holocaust on nature. An award-winning documentary, A Silent Forest: The Growing Threat, Genetically Engineered Trees (2005, 46 mins) details the appalling effects. (You can buy the full length film at Amazon.)

Global Justice Ecology Project director, Ann Petermann defines the issue: “Genetically engineered trees are the greatest threat to the world’s remaining forests since the invention of the chainsaw.”

Jim Hightower calls them, “wildly invasive, explosively flammable, and insatiably thirsty for ground water.”

If planting a sterile, killer forest isn’t freaky enough, some GM trees will be viable and can and will contaminate natural species. Tree pollen can travel over 600 miles, according to a model created by Duke University, reported Petermann in 2006. Another study found pine pollen 400 miles from the nearest pines. This year, a scientist was surprised to find viable seeds 25 miles offshore.

“Sterile trees would also be able to spread their transgenes through vegetative propagation,” notes Petermann. Unlike with animals, being sexually sterile does not preclude reproduction when it comes to plants.

GM contamination occurs around the globe, as documented by GM Watch and the GM Contamination Register (among others). The technology cannot be contained. Genetically modified organisms are dominant over natural species and will forever alter Earth’s natural plants.

By the way, the latest batch of approved GM trees – 200,000 eucalyptus for seven southern states (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida and South Carolina) – are engineered to be cold tolerant. A lawsuit has been filed to overturn their approval.

Chemically altering the atmosphere to be cooler

Not only are the powers-that-be genetically altering trees, food crops and animals, they’re also chemically altering the atmosphere. In 1976, the United Nations banned hostile environmental modification, after investigative reporter Jack Anderson uncovered its use in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Next month, October 2010, the UN will vote on a resolution to stop all EnMod activities.

While the thought police label chemtrails a “conspiracy theory,” it’s unlikely that the UN scientific body calling for their termination would base such a recommendation on fiction. Those interested in scientific and legal proof can review the sources in my piece on atmospheric geoengineering.

Climate change is still being debated, especially after the University of East Anglia was caught publishing false data showing temperature increases. Significant errors in a report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), where it also falsely asserted as fact that Himilaya glaciers would melt by 2035, also fuel the debate.

Recently, an independent investigative body told the IPCC to stop lobbying on behalf of global warming programs. Members of the IPCC were also ordered to reveal their financial connections to such programs.

The temperature of the planet is characterized as too warm, and so the wealthy and powerful want to cool down the planet. If they do, those cold-tolerant GM trees will survive.

Altering the chemistry of the hydrosphere

Governments also support altering the chemistry of the hydrosphere. There is still much debate as to whether iron-seeding the oceans can remove enough carbon from the atmosphere to actually cool the planet. But, like the Cap and Trade scam, profit can be made so policy makers still support the idea.

Beyond deliberate attempts at geoengineering, we also have industry to blame for doing so. For over a century, humanity has been conned into poisoning the environment with toxic chemicals that end up in our streams, lakes and oceans. “Conventional” agriculture and industrial pollution is killing us.

Corporations profit by this, of course, enabled and protected by governments. The most recent example, allowing BP to spray at least two million gallons of toxic oil dispersants into the Gulf of Mexico, is a case in point. This is after the Earth Day Blowout that released up to 350 million gallons of oil into the Gulf. Those dispersants enable oil to more readily penetrate the bodies of sea life, and they interfere with oil-eating microbes.

They’re destroying an ocean and the US Senate is giving BP a pass. It refuses to grant subpoena power to investigate, let alone criminally prosecute. Forget partisanship, says Dateline Zero, “they are the same party, and they get their money from the same people, they get their orders from the same people — and that includes big oil.”

The actions of the corporations involved and the governmental agencies charged with regulating them have caused an ongoing Extinction Level Event.

This is happening all over the world. Corporations are destroying the planet under the guise of seeking profit. But their ecocidal activities are so horrendous and so ubiquitous that profits seem hardly plausible as authentic motive.

When taken together – chemically altered skies and waters and genetically altered plants and animals – reasonable minds cannot but wonder at the alien transformation of Planet Earth that we are witnessing.
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09-09-2010, 02:42 PM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
Published On Wed Sep 08 2010
http://www.thestar.com/living/food/article/857935--genetically-modified-salmon-is-ready-for-dinner

Genetically modified salmon is ready for dinner

Company seeks approval to sell farmed fish that grows twice as fast as Atlantic salmon


A genetically modified salmon from AquaBounty Technologies, back, which can grow twice as fast as a non-transgenic Atlantic salmon sibling of the same age, front.

A genetically modified salmon from AquaBounty Technologies, back, which can grow twice as fast as a non-transgenic Atlantic salmon sibling of the same age, front.

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Using a gene from a Chinook salmon and DNA from a pout fish, a U.S.-based firm has engineered an Atlantic salmon that grows twice as fast as farmed salmon, and it’s headed to your dinner plate.

The Center for Veterinary Medicine of the Food and Drug Administration has agreed to discuss and decide whether to approve the fish, which has been in development by Aqua Bounty Technologies Inc. for nearly 15 years.

If it is approved, it will be the first genetically altered animal sold as food to people.

Ron Stotish, CEO and president of Aqua Bounty Technologies Inc., says the initial review by the FDA was favourable.

He says the salmon is indistinguishable from the farmed Atlantic salmon consumers know today.

The difference is that while ordinary salmon typically grow to 100 or 200 grams in a year, the GM salmon can grow up to a kilo, reducing the time to market by half.

That makes it cheaper and easier on the environment, says Stotish.

“We don’t believe it’s a threat to the existing industry. It’s a big tent and there is strong demand,” says Stotish.

He says genetically modified salmon are needed because the oceans are overstretched, and the human population is expected to hit 9 billion in the next 20 or 30 years.

If it’s approved by the FDA following a meeting later this month, the fish could be in production within a year, and available to purchase in two years. Stotish said the process of obtaining approval in Canada is underway.

To eliminate the risk that the salmon could get into the wild, it will be raised on farms inland. One hundred per cent of the fish are female, and 99 per cent of them are infertile. Stotish says the chance that they could breed with existing salmon stocks is virtually nil.

How the fish would have to be labelled remains to be determined.

Andrew Good of the Atlantic Salmon Federation to protect wild salmon says his group wants to ensure that a thorough risk assessment of GM salmon is conducted.

He says infectious salmon anemia has plagued the farmed Atlantic salmon industry, and there are concerns the GM fish could have similar unforeseen consequences.

He’s also concerned that once they receive approval for an inland GM fishery, the company will be looking towards coastal fisheries in the future.

“It’s a bit of a slippery slope,” says Good.

Ruth Salmon, executive director of the Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance, says the industry doesn’t need genetically altered fish to become more productive, it needs a more streamlined approval process.

Genetic manipulation has produced a cancer-resistant mouse, fluorescent zebra fish and goats with spider silk genes.

Researchers at the University of Guelph invented a pig that generates manure that is less harmful to the environment.

Cecil Forsberg, professor emeritus of molecular and cellular biology at the University of Guelph, says the pig has passed one hurdle, satisfying the conditions set out in the Canadian Environmental Protection Act.

“However, until there is approval…by Health Canada and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency the pigs will be maintained in confinement at the University of Guelph,” he said.

He said a submission was made to the United States Food and Drug Administration prior to the Canadian applications and it is under review.
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09-15-2010, 05:00 PM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
I see no reason why reforestation HAS to be a single species action.

In fact there are a HOST of reasons, ecological stability being the first, as to why NOT.

But it is manifestly important to BEGIN reforestry.

Gaia detests exposed soil, and either blows it away in the wind or washes it into the sea with cars and dead animals and people, which seems to be what it is doing right now.

This will only get worse in the future.
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09-15-2010, 06:06 PM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
So you are in favor of genetically modified organisms being turned loose on the planet.
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09-15-2010, 09:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-15-2010, 11:30 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
(09-15-2010, 06:06 PM)icosaface Wrote: So you are in favor of genetically modified organisms being turned loose on the planet.
You can be trusted to respond in such a manner.

In the sense that YOU mean, no, I am not particularly in favor of ANTHROPICALLY-modified "organisms being turned loose on the planet", on the grounds that humanity has a bit to learn about genetics and ecology first.

But here's the RUB: life exists and survives BECAUSE it mutates and is naturally-selected.

Now YOU tell ME how that ISN'T "genetic modification" BY ACCIDENT.

And then I will ask you HOW you would DISTINGUISH between the two...

Are you SAFE in this "natural" world?

If you have any sense left, you will say "no" anyway, saving me having to mention HIV, ebola, anthrax, SARS, malaria, cholera, bubonic plague, typhoid, smallpox, Influenza, Leucochloridium paradoxum, Sacculina, Toxoplasma gondii, Vandellia cirrhosa, Wolbachia, Cordyceps, Dracunculus, Loa loa, Cymothoa exigua, Ampulex compressa, a whole bunch of poisonous plants, snakes and fish, the Bushes, the MIC, the NWO, Murdoch, O'Reilly, Beck, Palin, Putin and the Pope.

Oh, almost forgot, and ME.

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09-16-2010, 07:41 AM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
JR, there is a difference between genetically modified organisms and natural selection. One is balanced in it's ecosystem, and the other is an alien-like mutation. One is a work of art, the harmonious inter-connection created and over-seen by the forces that will, and the other is machinising life's forces.
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09-16-2010, 09:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-16-2010, 10:11 AM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
(09-16-2010, 07:41 AM)mastermg Wrote: JR, there is a difference between genetically modified organisms and natural selection. One is balanced in its ecosystem, and the other is an alien-like mutation. One is a work of art, the harmonious inter-connection created and over-seen by the forces that will, and the other is machinising life's forces.
Your idea that MUTATION is a "harmonious inter-connection created and over-seen by the forces that will" is absurd, though pleasantly romantic.

Mutation occurs because at the molecular level there are extraordinarily violent forces at work, which throw in random accidents to the replication processes, and which occur at speeds which ordinarily one would ascribe to a gas turbine engine.
Ready-built around the DNA are small enzyme repair units, also working at "turbine speeds" which patch and repair inconsistencies in the helix. These processes don't correct the CODE, but DO correct the helix.
Most mutations are STEP mutations, where, say, an extra "rung" in the DNA ladder throws the following sequences out-of-step by one, changing the "meaning" of the following code sequences entirely.
The only "forces that will" are these repair units, and they work without requiring "will" or "understanding".
The natural selection processes that then work on the reproduced living being are impersonal and brutal. There is no romance...

The only romance occurs in the human mind because such impersonal forces have created for our appreciation over billions of years a geo-formed blue planet full of a balanced and Gaian ecology which is so beautiful we've had to create for ourselves a god which fashioned it.

We are the first animal to have evolved on this planet to have discovered the processes by which we exist, and by our very nature we WILL HARNESS THESE FORCES.
I share with you some nervousness about Man. Maybe he's about to create a TRIFFID, eh?
But we haven't blown ourselves up - yet.

So - you are arguing that there's a difference between the two processes. Well, apart from the obvious one, that WE are doing it and not just allowing it to happen, I don't see there is. I can see that whatever we do right now will be crude and ill-informed, but where we work with good intention, some good will come of it.

Arguments that we are stirring up some "hornets' nest", or if you like, opening "Pandora's Box", tend to ignore the fact that these risks are out there QUITE NATURALLY, as we argue. EVERY LIVING BEING is a "research laboratory" that WILL throw a mutation into the mix. Every living being is an INTERMEDIATE being. How many living beings ARE THERE on this planet?

We have ALWAYS been subject to these risks.
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10-12-2010, 11:15 AM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
RE: "Natural" World

What is a Virus?




I stumbled upon a post on Toxoplasma gondii recently - it seems you have some knowledge on it JazzRoc to maybe point me to some more reference material. I hadn't heard about this common parasite that impacts intelligence, ego and sex drive.

Evolution itself is challenged by adaptation to the environment. Frogs such as some animals changing gender in response to a lack of mating options or in cellular function such as biosynthesis in an absence of a familiar food source.

That recent FDA ruling on GM Salmon was prudent but maybe it is cutting us off from pioneering low risk experimental GM that could prove beneficial. Most GMOs don't reproduce so it could be contained I find the GMO proliferation aspect of the debate to be exaggerated if that point is really accurate. JazzRoc has a point about natural selection if a GMO did bust loose but weeds thrive. Being the dominant species doesn't necessarily make it better for the ecosystem as a whole.

I'd prefer more traditional methods of shepherding new life forms such as selective breeding and grafting. Outlawing it outright would probably force the industry underground if it isn't already. Human chimeras and the likes have likely been toyed with on the hush. Best keep this type of thing well documented given the choices.

Quote:We are the first animal to have evolved on this planet to have discovered the processes by which we exist, and by our very nature we WILL HARNESS THESE FORCES.

How can that being scientifically proven? Plant's have demonstrated tremendous awareness. For more on this check this for a fascinating read on The Secret Life of Plants.
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10-13-2010, 07:50 PM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
(10-12-2010, 11:15 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: it seems you have some knowledge on it JazzRoc to maybe point me to some more reference material. I hadn't heard about this common parasite that impacts intelligence, ego and sex drive.
Are we in some sort of fight? Engineering is my specialty - not biology.
And although I was a willing hippie in the late sixties I NEVER embraced the philosophy of "fuck everything that moves" that was so heartily taken up by Americans, so never suffered any disease as a consequence.
On a general and logical note, such infections require a circular pathway in order to exist: break the circle and the organism dies out. 4 bn yrs is long enough for such organisms to have developed tolerance and latitude such that ALL such cycles (and new but SIMILAR ones too) are or WILL be exploited. For me it was a compelling argument AGAINST promiscuity which was in place in my sixteen-year old mind by 1960.

Quote:Evolution itself is challenged by adaptation to the environment. Frogs such as some animals changing gender in response to a lack of mating options or in cellular function such as biosynthesis in an absence of a familiar food source.
Evolution IS adaptation to the environment. The propensity for morphological change is demonstrated by insects most forcefully. It has never been impossible, and all organisms use it to a degree.

Quote:That recent FDA ruling on GM Salmon was prudent but maybe it is cutting us off from pioneering low risk experimental GM that could prove beneficial. Most GMOs don't reproduce so it could be contained I find the GMO proliferation aspect of the debate to be exaggerated if that point is really accurate. JazzRoc has a point about natural selection if a GMO did bust loose but weeds thrive. Being the dominant species doesn't necessarily make it better for the ecosystem as a whole.
Yeah, maybe Gaia will choke on us, clear her throat, and revert to simplicity for a few hundred million years, eh?

Quote:I'd prefer more traditional methods of shepherding new life forms such as selective breeding and grafting. Outlawing it outright would probably force the industry underground if it isn't already. Human chimeras and the likes have likely been toyed with on the hush. Best keep this type of thing well documented given the choices.
Yep.

Quote:How can that being scientifically proven? Plants have demonstrated tremendous awareness.
No. That is NOT what they have demonstrated.

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10-14-2010, 02:08 PM,
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Quote:Are we in some sort of fight? Engineering is my specialty - not biology.

You did mention Toxoplasma gondii in the post I referred to - thought you might know more about it -- and no we are not in a fight.

Quote:Evolution IS adaptation to the environment. The propensity for morphological change is demonstrated by insects most forcefully. It has never been impossible, and all organisms use it to a degree.

I thought Evolution was more closely defined as natural selection through random (or adaptive) genetic mutation upon birth - not a theory I subscribe to.

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Quote:How can that being scientifically proven? Plants have demonstrated tremendous awareness.
No. That is NOT what they have demonstrated.

Read the book -- it's pretty definitive as to what some have discovered by way of the scientific method. You may want to tweak your conclusion afterwards.
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10-14-2010, 11:11 PM,
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RE: Alien Forests, Oceans and Skies: Genetically Engineered Forests
(10-14-2010, 02:08 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: You did mention Toxoplasma gondii in the post I referred to - thought you might know more about it -- and no we are not in a fight.
That's a relief. I thought you might be implying something. It must be "battle damage". You could jog my memory with the actual reference, perhaps.

Quote:I thought Evolution was more closely defined as natural selection through random (or adaptive) genetic mutation upon birth - not a theory I subscribe to.
Nor would I - to your definition. That definition could be your problem.
Mutation takes place prior to sexual combination (mostly), and the environment does the "selecting" upon the offspring. Surviving (and therefore procreating) offspring are thus more "adapted to the environment". Evolution is therefore "adaptation to the environment" without the need for the lifeform to "adapt". Giraffes' necks didn't get longer because they wanted them longer - at all.

Quote:it's pretty definitive as to what some have discovered by way of the scientific method. You may want to tweak your conclusion afterwards.
I'm not going to download.
Emergent features in plants don't require a brain to give the appearance of intelligence, nor should these properties be called intelligence just because they appear so.
It's the same argument one applies to computer software. That isn't aware, conscious, or intelligent either.
Pass the Turing test? Sometimes I wonder if anyone, myself included, could pass it.
Or maybe it will be definitively proved that we are merely biological machinery.
Getting back to the original point, I'll restate that evolutionary development is more limited in its scope than human-originated genetic development, but the difference isn't likely to be all that profound.
Personally I look forward to houses which are genetically-engineered from trees, and cars from, er, camels, perhaps. With some aesthetic improvements, of course...

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10-14-2010, 11:55 PM,
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Quote:That's a relief. I thought you might be implying something. It must be "battle damage". You could jog my memory with the actual reference, perhaps.

This Thread Post #5

Quote:Mutation takes place prior to sexual combination (mostly)

Well at least you left the out and you're likely mostly correct on that part. I've been fed a number of different definitions during my tenure on Earth.

Quote:I'm not going to download.

That's too bad. I thought you liked science and it perhaps it would appeal to that side of you. A brain as we know it doesn't need to exist to have a mind. This sort of logic is clearly evidenced in the books and related audio I have linked to.

Quote:AGAINST promiscuity

Cool - me too. I've kept it to a single digit number of mates I've biologically highlighted.
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10-15-2010, 02:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-15-2010, 02:14 PM by JazzRoc.)
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(10-14-2010, 11:55 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: This Thread Post #5
Ah, that was part of a list, and the list NOT of subjects I have studied.

Quote:Well at least you left the out
So did you. What?

Quote:That's too bad. I thought you liked science and it perhaps it would appeal to that side of you. A brain as we know it doesn't need to exist to have a mind. This sort of logic is clearly evidenced in the books and related audio I have linked to.
I don't agree. but some definitions need to be made before my explanation would clarify this.

Quote:Cool - me too. I've kept it to a single digit number of mates I've biologically highlighted.
And I to unity. 48 years. Not that there weren't temptations... Smile

Back on topic, I don't believe the idea behind this thread to be a good one. It distracts from the permacultural IDEAL, which is to establish living ground cover and slow water movement using indigenous pioneering organisms. Scrubland is good. Living windbreaks of tall trees are good. Beavers are good. Diggers of all types are good.
Almost ANYTHING, it seems, other than conventional human "intervention"...

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