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7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
09-17-2010, 09:14 AM,
#16
RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
Coal does produce a fair amount of radiation too.

Here's an idea for Hydroelectric is scalable but then you run into cost deterrents if they get too small. Hydro could be used with minimal impact if I could see redirecting water from a seasonal flood and water that is about to hit the ocean and utilizing that for power, and but then storage and justifying a transmission infrastructure is cost prohibitive. There is also the issue that the ocean ecosystem would be altered in unpredictable ways and should be taken into consideration.

The best long-term idea I have heard of so far is the untapped geothermal but the set-ups I have seen are pricey, especially if it were to retrofit a house but long term they would be reliable and cost efficient.

I'm sure there are a lot of other energy technologies that have been suppressed or we have yet to discover.

- Tesla's electricity from the sky*
- Water powered car
- Hot Fusion / Cold Fusion
- Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG

Great Series Available on the Tracker:

Energy from the Vacuum
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-search.php?searchall=&searchany=&searchphrase=Energy+From+the&searchnone=&cat=0&searchfields=name&incldead=1&lang=0

*Some guy in Brazil may have replicated a pale imitation of this system recently
http://www.switched.com/2010/08/29/electricity-could-be-pulled-from-air-research-claims/

Keeping with what is truly available at our disposal now we need to evaluate these solutions and combinations of solutions on a case by case basis for each specific region and home that it is considered for.

Lots to factor in there hard to make it formulaic when lives are involved.
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09-18-2010, 09:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-18-2010, 09:23 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
(09-17-2010, 09:14 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: Coal does produce a fair amount of radiation too.
Not if you REALLY scrub the effluent. Well, I know it will continue to produce radioactive effluent, but at least THAT can be gathered together rather than be liberally offered to the world at large.

Quote:Here's an idea for Hydroelectric is scalable but then you run into cost deterrents if they get too small. Hydro could be used with minimal impact if I could see redirecting water from a seasonal flood and water that is about to hit the ocean and utilizing that for power, and but then storage and justifying a transmission infrastructure is cost prohibitive.
Storage can be ignored if our remaining fossil/nuclear generation is more efficiently co-ordinated to match supply to demand. I don't think the idea of SEASONAL hydro is very good.
Canals cut across the countryside can serve as slow transport, recreation, moving water itself, and increased biosphere. The scale and predictability of massive amounts of water make small-scale low-speed hydro extraction feasible.

Quote:There is also the issue that the ocean ecosystem would be altered in unpredictable ways and should be taken into consideration.
The ocean life is benefiting at EVERY estuary, I am sure, from the increased temperatures and nutrients brought down by massive topsoil removal far upstream with increased weather activity.
Better to POLICE fishing stocks till they recover.

Quote:The best long-term idea I have heard of so far is the untapped geothermal but the set-ups I have seen are pricey, especially if it were to retrofit a house but long term they would be reliable and cost efficient.
I was thinking about a MASSIVE (though concealed) group of geothermal stations in a ring within the Yellowstone area.
District heating schemes (the power station's in the middle of town, and the whole town's the radiator!) seem to be the only way to go for high latitudes.

Quote:Lots to factor in there hard to make it formulaic when lives are involved.
Best set up a database and make it a website. It would be useful and instructive at the same time.
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09-18-2010, 10:00 PM,
#18
RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
We have to to consider the macro and the micro when we look at problems like "where are we going to get our energy from"?.

The problem alluded to but not addressed above is "how can we design a system to store energy for use when our regenerative generating units are not generating"?

We want to minimize our impact on the environment.
Is there a way to generate enough energy to take care of the needs of all our brothers and sisters on this spaceship Earth?

Regenerative is the way to go because it is a cycle which ends by returning what it has used to the state it was in before it was used thus enabling it to be used again.

We are not getting something for nothing but we do need to dispense with the current economic paradigm. It is feeble minded drivel, IMO.

If we start with all that is and divide our way into the problem we will have an appreciation of what we are ignoring. We need this because we might need to reconsider the scope of the problem we are addressing.

So, we will only consider actions and reactions within our sun, earth, moon system. We are ignoring the rest of the universe for the moment. We will assume that some of our scientific knowledge is functionally healthy rather than degeneratively ill.

The Universe is composed of 92 families of regenerative elements, for example, there are three types of hydrogen. Elements above 92 have been created by mankind for very short periods of time measurement units, less than thousandths of a second.

As I see it we need to overhaul our economic constructs as well our collective goals structures. More later.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


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09-19-2010, 11:07 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2010, 11:28 AM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
(09-18-2010, 10:00 PM)icosaface Wrote: "We have to to consider the macro and the micro"
"how can we design a system to store energy for use when our regenerative generating units are not generating"?
"We want to minimize our impact on the environment."
"Is there a way to generate enough energy to take care of the needs of all our brothers and sisters on this spaceship Earth?"
These statements, true in themselves, appear to serve the supply up to an anticipated demand which is apparently NOT subject to question.

As such they won't work.

The LARGEST change is needed in THE UNITED STATES, where everyone needs to DECONSTRUCT the AMERICAN DREAM. If it isn't deconstructed first in the US, then why should anyone else follow? It's a "tragedy of the commons" which MUST be sidestepped somehow.

THAT is THE problem.

If that was implicit in what you were saying, icosaface, then I apologize, but ALL the above MUST be addressed in the light of the upcoming commons tragedy, or they will serve no useful purpose.

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09-19-2010, 12:52 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2010, 01:07 PM by rsol.)
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RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
i always loved this guy. hes crazy to be sure but genius and insanity can sometimes hold hands.








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09-19-2010, 05:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2010, 06:51 PM by icosaface.)
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RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
jazzroc said
"These statements, true in themselves, appear to serve the supply up to an anticipated demand which is apparently NOT subject to question.

As such they won't work.

The LARGEST change is needed in THE UNITED STATES, where everyone needs to DECONSTRUCT the AMERICAN DREAM."

I agree, and that was part of what I was alluding to when I said "We are not getting something for nothing but we do need to dispense with the current economic paradigm."



We need to change the goals of our governmental and educational systems, IMO. The systems we have in place now are in rigor mortis, they will drag us all to the grave.

When a snake sheds its skin it already has another skin ready to go inside the old skin. We need to construct, mentally first and then physically, the new skin for our spaceship Earth.

One of the goals of our new skin, remember the skin is the largest organ in the body and encompasses the entire body, should be to supply all our fellow crew members with a bare maximum of all that is required to become healthy fully functional human beings. IMO

One of the questions to be answered is, is there enough of all that is necessary to take care of everyone on the planet, in a healthy fashion, without destroying the planet in the process?

Interesting videos rsol, thanks.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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09-21-2010, 12:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2010, 01:00 AM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: 7 Energy Efficiency Myths Debunked
(09-19-2010, 05:49 PM)icosaface Wrote: is there enough of all that is necessary to take care of everyone on the planet, in a healthy fashion, without destroying the planet in the process?
The last time I worked it out (as a Fermi calculation), if humanity got its act together and did everything right, the Earth could permanently sustain about 30 billion human beings, no problem.
Trouble is, we're apes...
To be rational human beings we have to kick out the jams, motherfuckers.
And, on my right, introducing - the military industrial complex.
And on my left, a big hand for - politics.
And up my arse - RELIGION.
That's enough jams.
Edited for symmetry...

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