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September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
09-04-2010, 10:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-04-2010, 10:04 PM by kevlar.)
#91
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
It appears everyone here at least, thinks you are a fucking idiot jazzroc.
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09-04-2010, 10:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-04-2010, 11:11 PM by JazzRoc.)
#92
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
(09-04-2010, 10:03 PM)kevlar Wrote: It appears everyone here at least, thinks you are a fucking idiot jazzroc.
Thanks, I prefer it that way. You must be confusing me with someone who WISHES to be liked by mendacious ignoramuses.
Here's one of many reasons why I dislike "911 truth" so much:





Quote:jazzroc i will no longer communicate with.
That's odd. I thought for a moment my name wasn't JazzRoc. It's a consistent inconsistency you have there.

Quote:Lying conman with an agenda
Perhaps you would care to point out my lies. Or retract. ? LOL
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09-04-2010, 11:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-04-2010, 11:39 PM by eyeland.)
#93
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
The video suggests that the "truth movement" is a propaganda tool to suppress US foreign policy?

That's a little far fetched. Why would they create suspicion about an event that has been used to expand this US foreign policy that the "US was attacked for" according to Bin Laden's buddy Scheuer?
debate is the vehicle of truth
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09-05-2010, 02:03 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 03:00 AM by kevlar.)
#94
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
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VS

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Also note that there are not many pictures of plane crashes available on the internet with a lot of detail. Even recent ones, there is not for example a collection of several high quality images of a plane crash available on the internet. Only low quality ones.

The same goes for the 9/11 footage in spite of the claim that it was covered from every angle for 1000s of cameras. There is no high quality images of the building below the impact. Which would have been full with debris.
Now compare the two impacts

First impact wtc 1 north tower.

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Second impact wtc 2 south tower

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Now compare that to the impact at the pentagon

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Do you notice how straight that wall at the pentagon is cut, the only thing that could cut through wall so straight is cutter charges. If they had to blow up the building after the missile hit, they should have at least planted cutter charges in different places to make it look more like a crumble than a clean slice. But yea that could be due to the buildings structure. But that is irrelevant when a hole is found the other side of the building..

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Hokkaido International Airlines, the Sapporo-based carrier known as Air Do, said Tuesday that birds hit one of its Boeing 767 aircraft in midair Monday night, leaving a hole in one of the plane's main wings.

According to the airline, the two-engine jet, which had left Tokyo's Haneda airport, was about to land at Sapporo's New Chitose Airport around 8:45 p.m. when birds collided with its right wing, creating a hole about 30 centimeters wide.

No one was injured in the incident, but it caused Air Do to cancel a total of 15 flights between the two cities, the carrier said.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/2774885/
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060516/kyodo/d8hku82g0.html (no longer works)

Quote:In 1995, a very severe thunderstorm hit DFW, and a number of AA jets were grounded, due to baseball and even larger hail damaging planes on the ground. A common problem was hail going through composite surfaces on the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

On the other hand, the DC-10s and 727s on the ground only suffered dents, since they had more metal surfaces.

http://www.birdstrike.org/events/signif.htm

http://www.birdstrike.org/commlink/signif.htm
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Quote:Flight AA 63 had to return to Paris-CDG when multiple birdstrikes at 12,000 feet caused cabin depressurization. One bird entered the flight deck via the P1-1 panel on the captain's left side.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010402-1&lang=en
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09-05-2010, 03:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 03:21 AM by kevlar.)
#95
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
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I just noticed that this picture is strange, any Idea which side of WTC 2 this is ? as it has no antenna but it looks like the plane shaped hole is running in the opposite angle. Must be something i am missing. IT has to be the north tower, the first impact because of the height on the building. So it must have made a plane shaped hole on another side of the building or the picture is fake.
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09-05-2010, 03:50 AM,
#96
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
It could be a mirror image.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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09-05-2010, 04:58 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 05:25 AM by nik.)
#97
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
the guy who sent me the email I posted, about how if you look at the documented imagery, Naudet et al, the ┬žun seems to have moved from all the way from East to West in less than 60 mins on the day of the operation, was miffed at me and said:

"it is useless without the corresponding documented time line pictures, Nic!!!!"

..same fellow who proposed a scaled down theoretical modelling of the event,to expose how ridiculous the official narrative is, i think I posted that email too...

I said to him to provide easily downloadable or linkable pics for each example and I would post it again.


No doubt, a psyop science major such as we have with Tony would find a reason to eschew such blatant mindfuckery in the media--- his last claim was that it was "bullshit masquerading as astro-turf"

i dont quite know what that means or if it is humourous. Maybe his subconscious longs for him and his family to be invited on an away trip to mars hoho

of course I am just joking about settlements on Mars and agriculture there! Anyhow I will repost the whole total smash of the "plane shaped hole" computerised image if the emailer is good enough to supply workable image links which we can all verify are from the "official" archive. i think that step of verifying was already done but it is no doubt best to do it for yourself just to be sure!
Is JFK Dyland Aviary or someone like that? They seem to think they have lost change around here and need to find it for bfh* *that is a UK working class acronym/idiom for 'bus fare home' in case it seemed oblique! : )
edit) I did find it VERY humorous myself when Dyland tried to posit "jesse venturas conspiracy theory" syndicated(?) MSM TV show as credible proof of "hidden black boxes recovered from the WTC site" .--almost as intriguing as Scooby Doo! Good Stuff bro!
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09-05-2010, 10:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 10:52 AM by JFK.)
#98
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
kevlar Wrote:Ok genius which parts of the plane are made from titanium ?

Structure wise I am not sure, likely landing gear related...
But I do know which parts do contain a significant amount of radioactive isotopes and their locations...
But I will not share that info for obvious reasons.
( One of the many reasons for these documents NOT being made available to the general public. )

The majority of the steel appears to be in the landing gear supports, beams, and trunions.
Like I said earlier the "rotary acutators" which control the slats are also steel ( which go nearly to the wingtips ).

The "wing front spar bulkhead" ( box in the fuselage where the wings meet. ) also appears to be steel as well as the keel beam in this manual. ( I have read "rumors" that some757's had used DU for the keel beam. )

nik Wrote:Is JFK Dyland Aviary or someone like that?
Nope, But I had been interested in his posts since long before Loose Change 1 when he posted at Letsroll with the username "Enigs"... And it is Dylan Avery.
I thought you were a truth seeker nik, Obviously I am wrong if you are incapable of remembering that very small fact.
kevlar Wrote:Also note that there are not many pictures of plane crashes available on the internet with a lot of detail. Even recent ones, there is not for example a collection of several high quality images of a plane crash available on the internet. Only low quality ones.

The same goes for the 9/11 footage in spite of the claim that it was covered from every angle for 1000s of cameras. There is no high quality images of the building below the impact. Which would have been full with debris.

I did notice ( when I still had a good internet connection ) that the internet archive was in the process of upgrading its footage to the high(er) resolution copies...
1Gb per segment instead of the 83.5 Mb...

I did not realize that internet infrastructure evolution was a conspiracy [ rolls eyes ].
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09-05-2010, 11:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 11:36 AM by kevlar.)
#99
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
It is a mirror image, strange. It was my first thought when looking at the image, i did a photoshop flip.

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Definitely a shot of the first impact wtc 1, well spotted icosoface.

But i only just spotted that anomaly while posting the pictures. The main point i was trying to get across was that a plane would not be strong enough to do the damage in the pictures, by showing how weak a plane is.
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09-05-2010, 11:40 AM,
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
I find it amazing that you point out areodynamic cowlings damaged by bird strikes to demonstrate "how weak" the planes are while ignoring the structural elements beneigth the surface.

Hmmmmm.....

I take that back... It is the exact M.O. of no planers.
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09-05-2010, 11:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 11:43 AM by kevlar.)
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
JFK, I am not sure how good your secret copyrighted manual is but from what i know they can't use too much steel in planes because that would make it too heavy that is why they use aluminium and composites like fibre glass. The majority of the planes fuselage and wings you could easily make a hole through with a sledge hammer and enough force. Shooting off a gun in the passenger seating area itself could lead to a hole through the fuselage and decompression of the plane. This is a commonly known fact that planes are not made out of steel and anyone trying to convince you otherwise is trying to make it sound like a plane is stronger than it is. Giving you a false impression.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=B767#Metals

However you are correct in saying that steel is used in the design of a 767. So is titanium.
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09-05-2010, 11:46 AM,
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
Kevlar, that is like my saying that because I can put my foot through your corvette's fiberglass hood you can do me no damage by running me over with it...

Is that a fair analogy ?
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09-05-2010, 12:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 12:20 PM by kevlar.)
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
Lets take a look at the A330 crashes, similar aircraft to a 767.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/05/12/341859/airbus-confirms-a330-200-involved-in-tripoli-crash.html





http://markpknowles.com/first-airbus-crash-photos/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/photos/3689551/Libya-A330-crash-at-Tripoli

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-07-17-brazil-jet_N.htm
Quote:Kevlar, that is like my saying that because I can put my foot through your corvette's fibreglass hood you can do me no damage by running me over with it...

Is that a fair analogy ?

Fair ? not sure about the use of your terminology. How about you can make a hole through the fibre glass hood but if you hit a concrete wall the wall will win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yoa8McfOY0
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09-05-2010, 12:25 PM,
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
(09-05-2010, 12:13 PM)kevlar Wrote:
Quote:Kevlar, that is like my saying that because I can put my foot through your corvette's fibreglass hood you can do me no damage by running me over with it...

Is that a fair analogy ?

Fair ? not sure about the use of your terminology. How about you can make a hole through the fibre glass hood but if you hit a concrete wall the wall will win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yoa8McfOY0

Can't watch videos over this connection... Have a difficult time opening threads with many pictures.

Anyway what if the concrete wall is 1 inch thick ? does the wall still win ( in your opinion ) ?
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09-05-2010, 12:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2010, 12:35 PM by kevlar.)
RE: September Clues Addendum Chapter 1
The video is of a corvette crash test. Done by the manufacture it shows the corvette C5 crumpled as it hits a concrete wall.

I don't know how it would react to a 1 inch thick wall. hmm depending on fast it was going, i think it might break through it, as i have seen cars break through fences made out of those thin concrete slabs that you slide down the posts, i think they call fibercrete walls.

But what is the significance of a 1 inch thick wall ?

My house has thicker walls than 1 inch Tongue
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