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Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
07-28-2010, 09:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-28-2010, 10:23 AM by joeblow.)
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Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero

Yesterday (27 July 2010), it was announced by John Stadtmiller, owner of Republic Broadcasting Network (RBN) http://republicbroadcasting.org , that Mike Rivero, owner of WRH http://whatreallyhappened.com , had moved his show from Garbage Can Network (GCN), owned by the Freemason Ted Anderson, to RBN. Stadtmiller mentioned how it was done in haste and because of "extraordinary circumstances that he was forced to make that move, and I won't give any other detail, because, quite frankly, it's pretty ugly", but declined to explain the real reasons for it.

On a website that I frequently frequent, I had made a prediction of why Alex Jones had been away for a few days.

Quote:Posted: 24-07-2010 at 07:51:56
joeblow

If I had to hazard a guess, Shabbos Jones is not on the air, because he is busy sabotaging the career of another member of the Conspiracy Community.

It fits a pattern.

A little background should be given, Rivero recently had been pushing the recent Wikileaks disclosure of thousands of confidential documents that give conclusive evidence of Jewmerican War Crimes in Afghanistan (25th July 2010 5:00 PM EST WikiLeaks has released a document set called the Afghan War Diary, an extraordinary compendium of over 91,000 reports covering the war in Afghanistan from 2004 to 2010. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010 ). Unsurprisingly, both the Mossad-controlled CIA and all Paytriotard Commercial Conspiracy Radio Hosts immediately started to denounce Wikileaks. Ted AnderMason commanded Shabbos Jones to do a show where "ex"-NSA Wayne Madsen and the very jealous John Young of http://cryptome.org (competitor to Wikileaks) both denounced Wikileaks as a "suspect Intelligence Honeypot). Madsen has absolutely no credibility, especially after the Mumbai episode when he was pushing the CIA/NSA line that Pakistani Mafia and ISI carried out the Mumbai Mossad Massacre. Young told Shabbos Jones that Wikileaks can not be trusted because they keep asking for donations, despite the fact he himself has on the very top of his website "SUPPORT WELCOMED By $25 or more generous donation for two DVDs of the Cryptome 14-year archive from June 1996 to April 2010. The archive contains about 56,300 files (~8.5GB) published on Cryptome.org and its related sites along with the companion site Cartome.org and US Army INSCOM Dossiers of about 25,000 pages. The DVDs will be sent anywhere worldwide without extra cost. Email a shipping address to cryptome[at]earthlink.net. How to Donate".

Sadly, other Radio Hosts have also started repeating the line that Wikileaks can not be "trusted" and the reasons given were absolutely idiotic. One of them being that the documents released make the claim that Osama Bin Laden is still alive. Of course he died many years ago, but one has to remember that these were INTERNAL documents meant for LOWER RANK Military who need to be continuously propagandized that the Jew.S.A. is in Afghanistan to hunt for brown-skinned Terrorists and not to destroy all of Shitsrael's enemies. The other stupid reason given not to "trust" Wikileaks is that it says that Pakistani Intelligence funds the Taliban. The problem with this is that it is an ABSOLUTELY TRUE STATEMENT THAT HAS TONS OF SUPPORTING EVIDENCE! Yes, yes, the CIA/Mossad/MI6 created and control the ISI, but that does not negate the fact that on the ground, it is Pakistani Agents who interact with the Taliban.

Much like when Jewmerica had to release the Hostage Iranian Scientist Shahram Amiri, the Mockingbird Mainstream is going into overdrive to spread Disinformation, Hatred, and Nonsense. Here are a few of the current Headlies:

WikiLeaks Reportedly Outs 100s of Afghan Informants
US military combats Wikileaks via Twitter
Joint Chiefs Chairman: Wikileaks.org put American lives in jeopardy
Army Officer charged in earlier leak had access to latest WikiLeak papers
Any Links Between Militant Outfits And ISI Unacceptable : Adm. Mullen
The WikiLeaks Papers And Lady Gaga: The Connection
Wikileaks reinforces the claim that Pakistan supports the Taliban
Wikileaks’ irresponsible exposé
Obama on WikiLeaks: 'Documents Don't Reveal Any Issues that Haven't Already Informed our Public Debate'


What is clear for all to see is that this disclosure hit too close to home, because it is assured that these documents will provide amble evidence of how the Zionist Foot-soldiers of the Illuminati (the American Army) have been genociding Goyim by way of Rape, Torture, and Mass-killings. In a just world, any Paytriotard who defends the Great Golem U.S.A. by trying to discredit Wikileaks should also be considered a War-criminal and be metted the appropriate punishment.

Rivero needs to blow the whistle on what has occurred, Shabbos Jones is a bully and will not let up until he has destroyed his target. If you do not believe me, then go ask Jack Blood/Jeff Rense/Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani.
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07-28-2010, 12:14 PM,
#2
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
As usual JewBlow, you're full of shit.

I don't trust WikiLeaks, nor do I mistrust them. Jones has the same attitude, despite your lies to the contrary. Each leak has to be taken on its own merits.

You say that cryptome's Young is against wikileaks because they ask for donations. That's a lie. He said it was because they were going to raise $5 million their 1st year, which Young felt would compromise the organisation.

You say Madsen is "pushing the CIA/NSA line" about the Mumbai attacks. Then how do you explain this article in which says the exact opposite? He even mentioned this on the Jones show you based this article on! Talk about mental dyslexia... or another bald faced JewBlow lie? Either way, it's the usual JewBlow bullshit.

I'm not even going to bother replying to your laughable contention that people are discrediting wikileaks because the Afghanistan documents implicate Jews, or any of your other completely incorrect and ridiculous assertions.

As for your defence of those idiots Thorn & Guliani, LOL that says it all!!

Your main tactic is to pull shit out of your ass, throw it at people, and hope some of it sticks. Fortunately there are a lot of people on this site that see through your lameness quite readily.

Like I said, I'm neutral on wikileaks, as is Jones, but hey, if you want to defend them, it's your right.

Addendum: http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/who-is-behind-wikileaks
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07-28-2010, 08:31 PM,
#3
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
AJ + Tarpley on wikileaks (28 July 2010)

http://tarpley.net/audio/20100728-WGT_on_AJ.mp3
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07-28-2010, 09:01 PM,
#4
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: As usual JewBlow, you're full of shit.

I don't trust WikiLeaks, nor do I mistrust them. Jones has the same attitude, despite your lies to the contrary. Each leak has to be taken on its own merits.

No, Jew Jones just today has declared his opposition to Wikileaks.

(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: You say that cryptome's Young is against wikileaks because they ask for donations. That's a lie. He said it was because they were going to raise $5 million their 1st year, which Young felt would compromise the organisation.

Be honest, drop the debating, and tell the truth, you are like me and can get the feel of people when they speak. When he spoke to Jew Jones, it was obvious that he was brimming with jealousy and vindictiveness against Wikileaks.

(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: You say Madsen is "pushing the CIA/NSA line" about the Mumbai attacks. Then how do you explain this article in which says the exact opposite? He even mentioned this on the Jones show you based this article on! Talk about mental dyslexia... or another bald faced JewBlow lie? Either way, it's the usual JewBlow bullshit.

Excuse me? The first moments after a particular news event usually set the history of how it will be understood. Are you telling me that you do not remember when immediately after the the Mumbai Mossad Massacre, NSA Madsen was spewing the Pakistani Mafia Disinfo with Jew Jones? I do not give a shit about what has written since then and what you link to supports my position and not yours:

In the past, Mumbai’s exiled Muslim “Mafia” boss, on-and-off again CIA asset Dawood Ibrahim, a veteran of the CIA’s mujahedin war in Afghanistan and who is now living in exile in Karachi, Pakistan, and is wanted by Indian authorities, has the street muscle in Mumbai to stop further violence. Ibrahim owns a construction company in Karachi, has financial interests in Dubai, and is, according to our intelligence sources, involved with the CIA in Kathmandu casinos and the drug trade in Nepal. The CIA has shown no inclination to apprehend Ibrahim and with the Hindu nationalists making a power play in Mumbai with attempted “false flag” attacks, Ibrahim has shown no desire to stop the violence.

(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: I'm not even going to bother replying to your laughable contention that people are discrediting wikileaks because the Afghanistan documents implicate Jews, or any of your other completely incorrect and ridiculous assertions.

I was insulting Americans by calling them Jews, but I do agree that the documents do implicate Jews, because that is what they do.

(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: As for your defence of those idiots Thorn & Guliani, LOL that says it all!!

I consider them to be Heroes of Da Twoof Moovement.

(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Like I said, I'm neutral on wikileaks, as is Jones, but hey, if you want to defend them, it's your right.

Jew Jones and Tarpley today said about Assange:

- Has a spy profile
- Moves around a lot
- Comes from a Hippie background
- Is under mind control
- Hates governments and corporations
- Did not give first-dibs on the disclosure to the Paytriotard Radio Hosts
- is pro-Free and Open Internet

(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Addendum: http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/who-is-behind-wikileaks

The worst thing that that that stupid article says is that he used to be a hacker. So what? So was I.

(07-28-2010, 08:31 PM)plasticfan Wrote: AJ + Tarpley on wikileaks (28 July 2010)

http://tarpley.net/audio/20100728-WGT_on_AJ.mp3

Webster "non-Jew-Anglo/American/Dutch Alliance" Tarpley calling someone else a Limited-hangout? Give me a fucking break. http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=31372&pid=183760
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07-28-2010, 10:17 PM,
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RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-is-annoyed-by-911-truth/

I am not convinced wikileaks is all there.

I suppose he could just be referring to crazy theories about UFO beams on 9/11 and not be discounting all 9/11 truth, but it sounds to me like he is another denier.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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07-28-2010, 10:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-28-2010, 10:37 PM by joeblow.)
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RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
Hmmm, let us compare what Assange says:

Quote:His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? “I believe in facts about conspiracies,” he says, choosing his words slowly. “Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It’s important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there’s enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news.” What about 9/11? “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” What about the Bilderberg conference? “That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes.”

To what that Lying, Freemasonic Son of a Bitch who took our Money and Peed in our Faces:



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07-28-2010, 10:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-04-2010, 09:48 PM by yeti.)
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RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: As usual JewBlow, you're full of shit.

I don't trust WikiLeaks, nor do I mistrust them. Jones has the same attitude, despite your lies to the contrary. Each leak has to be taken on its own merits.
No, Jew Jones just today has declared his opposition to Wikileaks.

So fucking what? You said he was against wikileaks yesterday, which is a lie.

(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: You say that cryptome's Young is against wikileaks because they ask for donations. That's a lie. He said it was because they were going to raise $5 million their 1st year, which Young felt would compromise the organisation.

Be honest, drop the debating, and tell the truth, you are like me and can get the feel of people when they speak. When he spoke to Jew Jones, it was obvious that he was brimming with jealousy and vindictiveness against Wikileaks.

Unlike you JewBlow, I'm always honest.

If you want to interpret Young's tone as jealous, go right ahead. Who gives a shit anyway, other than you, who seems to want to grasp at straws...

(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: You say Madsen is "pushing the CIA/NSA line" about the Mumbai attacks. Then how do you explain this article in which says the exact opposite? He even mentioned this on the Jones show you based this article on! Talk about mental dyslexia... or another bald faced JewBlow lie? Either way, it's the usual JewBlow bullshit.
Excuse me? The first moments after a particular news event usually set the history of how it will be understood. Are you telling me that you do not remember when immediately after the the Mumbai Mossad Massacre, NSA Madsen was spewing the Pakistani Mafia Disinfo with Jew Jones? I do not give a shit about what has written since then and what you link to supports my position and not yours:

In the past, Mumbai’s exiled Muslim “Mafia” boss, on-and-off again CIA asset Dawood Ibrahim, a veteran of the CIA’s mujahedin war in Afghanistan and who is now living in exile in Karachi, Pakistan, and is wanted by Indian authorities, has the street muscle in Mumbai to stop further violence. Ibrahim owns a construction company in Karachi, has financial interests in Dubai, and is, according to our intelligence sources, involved with the CIA in Kathmandu casinos and the drug trade in Nepal. The CIA has shown no inclination to apprehend Ibrahim and with the Hindu nationalists making a power play in Mumbai with attempted “false flag” attacks, Ibrahim has shown no desire to stop the violence.

You obviously have a comprehension problem, which could explain a lot of your behaviour, but certainly not all. Madsen is clearly implicating the CIA here. How can you deny that? Since when is it in the CIA's interest to implicate itself? Certainly not in this case.

(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: I'm not even going to bother replying to your laughable contention that people are discrediting wikileaks because the Afghanistan documents implicate Jews, or any of your other completely incorrect and ridiculous assertions.
I was insulting Americans by calling them Jews, but I do agree that the documents do implicate Jews, because that is what they do.

I guess pretty much everything implicates the Jews in your world, right JewBlow?

(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: As for your defence of those idiots Thorn & Guliani, LOL that says it all!!
I consider them to be Heroes of Da Twoof Moovement.

I considered them to be a highly destructive and divisive force, rather like you are, JewBlow. It doesn't surprise me that you admire them.

(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Like I said, I'm neutral on wikileaks, as is Jones, but hey, if you want to defend them, it's your right.

Jew Jones and Tarpley today said about Assange:

- Has a spy profile
- Moves around a lot
- Comes from a Hippie background
- Is under mind control
- Hates governments and corporations
- Did not give first-dibs on the disclosure to the Paytriotard Radio Hosts
- is pro-Free and Open Internet

So? Yesterday he said he was neutral. You said he wasn't. You lied. You also made up a load of crap about how Rivero was booted from GCN because of this. Your credibility is worse than zero.

(07-28-2010, 09:01 PM)joeblow Wrote:
(07-28-2010, 12:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Addendum: http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/who-is-behind-wikileaks
The worst thing that that that stupid article says is that he used to be a hacker. So what? So was I.

Quite obviously you did not read the entire article. I'm done wasting my time talking to you. I regret bothering in the first place. I feel like taking a shower, ffs!

You want to defend wikileaks, go for it. I've already explained why it's a waste of time, but since you like to wallow in the gutter, lie, obfuscate, and gossip like a 9 yr. old girl...
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07-29-2010, 05:47 AM,
#8
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
I'm really loving this debate. Some pretty good points, informed hunches and a nice balance of facts and disinfo all on the table to digest.
There are no others, there is only us.
http://FastTadpole.com/
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07-29-2010, 01:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-29-2010, 01:08 PM by joeblow.)
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RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
The very jealous and petty John Young of Cryptome finally publishes the Wikileaks Afghan Diary.

27 July 2010

http://cryptome.org/0002/wl-diary-mirror.htm

The Wikileaks Afghan War Diary files deserve very close study, in this Julian Assange is right. The contaminating news reports, condemnations and blogwash should be surpassed. The WL site is heavily loaded and slow. To ease the load and for a quicker download, Cryptome offers mirrors of the now digitally-hashed compressed file packages downloaded 27 July 2010, about 4:40PM.

Complete dump of the website: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.html.7z 75.4MB

This is a complete dump of the website at http://wardiary.wikileaks.org. Extract this to your local hard disk and open it with your web browser. Please check the project website http://wardiary.wikileaks.org for the most recent version.

All entries, CSV format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.csv.7z 15MB

All entries, SQL format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.sql.7z 16MB

All entries, KML format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.7z 16 MB

All NATO entries, KML format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary-nato.7z 209 kB

Entries by month, KML format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary_by-month.7z 16 MB

Entries with scale filter, KML format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary_scale1dot5.7z 981 kB

A screen shot of the page showing what is offered and the digital hashes of the compressed file packages:

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When studying the Wikileaks War Logs, bear in mind that intelligence streams -- hardcopy, digital, electromagnetic -- are salted with spurious entries as markers to authenticate the stream, indentify disruptions and unauthorized plants, direct the product to various collectors with varying levels of classification, and more. The spurious entries will not be distinguishable from the other material, it is their positions in the stream, or omissions from the stream, which will be part of authentication. None of this requires or is protected by encryption, indeed, encryption is customarily used to mislead about other means and methods -- which is why it is so loudly touted.

Some streams are entirely spurious but composed of authentic material, to cloud the process, to entrap, to delude, to fake a vulnerability. These methods are well-known to the techheads of Wikileaks although they may lack required programs and equipment to analyze streams in all their guises. Wikileaks claims to cloud its transmissions for protection, a perfect marker for others. Three versions of the logs were given to the dupes, another to the public. Another for Wikileaks alone, more or less.

The security watchword is: don't ever expect infallible security, that is always snail oil. The intelligence watchword is never trust an intelligence source, they are all unreliable. The classification watchword is never trust the highest classification, that is bullshovel to dupe those who believe only they have access.

The sysadmin watchword is ... lay low, log everything, copy, replace with a fake, tell no one especially another sysadmin who will rat you: l'enfer, c'est les autres.
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07-29-2010, 03:06 PM,
#10
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
Wow! Sounds like whatever went down at GCN was really nasty, calling for a hasty removal of Rivero. Confused

Quote:ANNOUNCEMENT
As of the end of August I will be leaving GCN to do my show over at Republic Broadcasting. My first day at Republic will be Monday August 23rd, followed by a week of doing both shows, with my last day at GCN Friday August 27th. The Saturday show is still up in the air at this time.

My show will air earlier in the day on Republic, running from 2PM to 4PM Central Time. As usual, podcasts will be available.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
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07-29-2010, 03:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-29-2010, 03:30 PM by joeblow.)
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RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
(07-29-2010, 03:06 PM)dicktater Wrote: Wow! Sounds like whatever went down at GCN was really nasty, calling for a hasty removal of Rivero. Confused

If I had to hazard a guess Icon_biggrin, I would say that Rivero played hardball and threatened to blab about everything if Garbage Can Network immediately dumped him.

Do not forget that Rivero has worked in the Entertainment Industry longer than Jones and has had to go against people meaner than Jones.

If the move was done in Good- and Freewill, how do you explain this?:

Stadtmiller mentioned how it was done in haste and because of "extraordinary circumstances that he was forced to make that move, and I won't give any other detail, because, quite frankly, it's pretty ugly", but declined to explain the real reasons for it.
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07-29-2010, 05:01 PM,
#12
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20011106-281.html
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07-29-2010, 05:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-29-2010, 05:15 PM by joeblow.)
#13
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
Quote:Operating a Web site to post leaked documents isn't very expensive (Young estimates he spends a little over $100 a month for Cryptome's server space). So when other Wikileaks founders started to talk about the need to raise $5 million and complained that an initial round of publicity had affected "our delicate negotiations with the Open Society Institute and other funding bodies," Young says, he resigned from the effort.

In the last few weeks, after the arrest of Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning cast a brighter spotlight on Wikileaks, Young has been trying to trace Wikileaks' money flows. On July 17, Wikileaks asked supporters for $200,000 to pay for Mannings' attorneys, even though co-founder Julian Assange said a few days earlier that the organization had already raised $1 million.

If the most incriminating evidence is Young's jealousy because Wikileaks is better at fund-raising, then this gets a big Y A W N from me.

I like this part of the interview the best:

Quote:Did they criticize you for, well, leaking about Wikileaks?
Young: They certainly did. They accused me of being an old fart and jealous. And all these things that come up, that typically happen when someone doesn't like you. That's okay. I know you would never do that and journalists never do that, but ordinary people do this all the time.

LOL
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07-29-2010, 05:48 PM,
#14
RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
Great that Cryptome has the archive too and in CSV format. I smell a searchable online DB, akin to the Climategate leak, in the works. There have been reported inconsistencies with the file already. I have heard from a family of a war victim about it personally. It says he was killed by friendly fire in the archive but his family was told it was a Taliban ambush. That could either credit or discredit the accuracy of the info or maybe it was just miscommunication on a botched gloss-over or cover-up of that particular incident. Tip of the iceberg theory applies here IMO. The whole archive may very well be rife with misinfo. Tread cautiously, double check the facts when and where you can.

I really want to believe that Wikileaks is a righteous agency but it's getting hard to when presented the facts and looking at them we outline plenty of those facts in this thread on the Bradley Manning / Wikileaks / Julian Assange case and the media circus that is surrounding Wikileaks, Lamo and Assange.

Glenn Greenwald's Salon expose of the Bradley Manning, Adrian Lamo & WikiLeaks affair.
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=33504

On the Cryptome front - here's what appears to be John Young's unabridged stance on Wikileaks:

John Young of Cryptome on the Corbett Report re: Wikileaks & More
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=17511

@Mr. Blow
You're a good, committed researcher and I admire your gusto. If I had one piece of advice for you, it would be as follows.

It's important to not simply accept information that comes from a source that is decidedly anti-Zionist, they may just be throwing you a bone or putting out a hook to real you into their propaganda or away from something more concerning. Having relations with a Jew (business or personal) or being a Jew is a weak reason for dismissing something outright. It may be harder in the short to come to a reactive conclusion that satisfies you but in the long run you're much better off looking at the facts apart from the personalities, digging very deep and drawing your own IMO.
(07-29-2010, 05:15 PM)joeblow Wrote:
Quote:Operating a Web site to post leaked documents isn't very expensive (Young estimates he spends a little over $100 a month for Cryptome's server space). So when other Wikileaks founders started to talk about the need to raise $5 million and complained that an initial round of publicity had affected "our delicate negotiations with the Open Society Institute and other funding bodies," Young says, he resigned from the effort.

In the last few weeks, after the arrest of Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning cast a brighter spotlight on Wikileaks, Young has been trying to trace Wikileaks' money flows. On July 17, Wikileaks asked supporters for $200,000 to pay for Mannings' attorneys, even though co-founder Julian Assange said a few days earlier that the organization had already raised $1 million.

Nice find nik and thanks for highlighting that point Mr. Blow.
(07-29-2010, 05:48 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: Great that Cryptome has the archive too and in CSV format. I smell a searchable online DB, akin to the Climategate leak, in the works. There have been reported inconsistencies with the file already. I have heard from a family of a war victim about it personally. It says he was killed by friendly fire in the archive but his family was told it was a Taliban ambush. That could either credit or discredit the accuracy of the info or maybe it was just miscommunication on a botched gloss-over or cover-up of that particular incident. Tip of the iceberg theory applies here IMO. The whole archive may very well be rife with misinfo. Tread cautiously, double check the facts when and where you can.

I really want to believe that Wikileaks is a righteous agency but it's getting hard to when presented the facts and looking at them we outline plenty of those facts in this thread on the Bradley Manning / Wikileaks / Julian Assange case and the media circus that is surrounding Wikileaks, Lamo and Assange.

Glenn Greenwald's Salon expose of the Bradley Manning, Adrian Lamo & WikiLeaks affair.
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=33504

On the Cryptome front - here's what appears to be John Young's unabridged stance on Wikileaks:

John Young of Cryptome on the Corbett Report re: Wikileaks & More
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=17511

@Mr. Blow
You're a good, committed researcher and I admire your gusto. If I had one piece of advice for you, it would be as follows.

It's important to not simply accept information that comes from a source that is decidedly anti-Zionist, they may just be throwing you a bone or putting out a hook to real you into their propaganda or away from something more concerning. Having relations with a Jew (business or personal) or being a Jew is a weak reason for dismissing something outright. It may be harder in the short to come to a reactive conclusion that satisfies you but in the long run you're much better off looking at the facts apart from the personalities, digging very deep and drawing your own IMO.
(07-29-2010, 05:15 PM)joeblow Wrote:
Quote:Operating a Web site to post leaked documents isn't very expensive (Young estimates he spends a little over $100 a month for Cryptome's server space). So when other Wikileaks founders started to talk about the need to raise $5 million and complained that an initial round of publicity had affected "our delicate negotiations with the Open Society Institute and other funding bodies," Young says, he resigned from the effort.

In the last few weeks, after the arrest of Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning cast a brighter spotlight on Wikileaks, Young has been trying to trace Wikileaks' money flows. On July 17, Wikileaks asked supporters for $200,000 to pay for Mannings' attorneys, even though co-founder Julian Assange said a few days earlier that the organization had already raised $1 million.

Nice find nik and thanks for highlighting that point Mr. Blow.

I also like this quote from the interview:

Quote:Wikileaks pledges to maintain the confidentiality of sources and stressed that in the presentation over the weekend. Do you offer your contributors the same guarantee?

Young: No. That's just a pitch. You cannot provide any security over the Internet, much less any other form of communication. We actually post periodically warnings not to trust our site. Don't believe us. We offer no protection. You're strictly on your own.

We also say don't trust anyone who offers you protection, whether it's the U.S. government or anybody else. That's a story they put out. It's repeated to people who are a little nervous. They think they can always find someone to protect them. No, you can't. You've got to protect yourself. You know where I learned that? From the cypherpunks.

So Wikileaks cannot protect people. It's so leaky. It's unbelievable how leaky it is as far as security goes. But they do have a lot of smoke blowing on their site. Page after page after page about how they're going to protect you.

And I say, oh-oh. That's over-promising. The very over-promising is an indication that it doesn't work. And we know that from watching the field of intelligence and how governments operate. When they over-promise, you know they're hiding something. People who are really trustworthy do not go around broadcasting how trustworthy I am.

.. and according to the interview he's not anti-Wikileaks he's just sceptical (as I am) and also as evidenced by this John Young quote:

Quote:It's not like Wikileaks and their grand goals. I've never had any desire to overturn governments or do any of these noble things that they want to do.

Like Young says in the interview. There should be 1000s of Wikileaks (and maybe local newsletters too!), sure harder to find info in a giant haystack but at least it gets out there and is harder to monitor. I trust the good news aggregators on the internet community (like those on ConCen) will filter through the reams of bullshit and we can always do our own follow-up research and verification. Don't be afraid to pick up the phone or email the writer or the source if you can.
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07-29-2010, 06:35 PM,
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RE: Shabbos Jones, Wikileaks, and the firing of Mike Rivero
(07-29-2010, 03:28 PM)joeblow Wrote: If the move was done in Good- and Freewill, how do you explain this?:

Stadtmiller mentioned how it was done in haste and because of "extraordinary circumstances that he was forced to make that move, and I won't give any other detail, because, quite frankly, it's pretty ugly", but declined to explain the real reasons for it.

As far as I'm concerned, it is little more than hearsay until someone provides a link to the show date AND time where it can be confirmed in context.

shortwave's descriptive time line line of Stadtmiller's July 27th show makes no mention of him saying what you have claimed. I would think a comment like that from Stadtmiller would have merited shortwave's attention:

http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=18581&hit=1
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