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Don't be afraid of Black Magic
07-15-2010, 05:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-15-2010, 05:05 PM by standvast.)
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Don't be afraid of Black Magic
An old piece by RAW , from Gnostica magazine...
your personal reflections, whatever they may consist of, are much appreciated.

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it's on scribd here ;
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3678815/Dont-Be-Afraid-of-Black-Magick
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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07-15-2010, 06:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-15-2010, 06:34 PM by Deathaniel.)
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
(07-15-2010, 05:04 PM)standvast Wrote: An old piece by RAW , from Gnostica magazine...
your personal reflections, whatever they may consist of, are much appreciated.

Awesome post wonder how many here can place themselves in this break down?

It does leave some to the wilds but the areas of the occult it covers is interesting excellent post!!!

The one thing is magic has become too lumped together as now anything psychedelic or astral is considered such, and magic originally as i was taught is either spirit or nature based, and the part re wiccians (naturists) was skipped over rather quickly in the article
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

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07-16-2010, 05:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-16-2010, 05:58 AM by h3rm35.)
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
Quote:The one thing is magic has become too lumped together as now anything psychedelic or astral is considered such, and magic originally as i was taught is either spirit or nature based, and the part re wiccians (naturists) was skipped over rather quickly in the article

ummm...

If you'd like more info from his perspective, re Wiccans, entheogens, spirit or nature, there's no shortage of material. Robert Anton Wilson is pretty prolific.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson
btw, anyone in search of "Illuminatus!" may contact me via PM if they'd like me to up the audio version to a tracker other than concen...

It's fiction, so it's not allowed on our tracker.
I don't really understand why RAW material ends up in a Gnostic publication.
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07-16-2010, 12:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-16-2010, 12:19 PM by standvast.)
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
Deathanyl Wrote:It does leave some to the wilds but the areas of the occult it covers is interesting excellent post!!!

I suppose it would take a book of a few volumes if one
would attempt to cover "everything",.. Icon_biggrin
For a 3 page article it does lay out the presented perspective nicely IMHO.

Quote:The one thing is magic has become too lumped together as now anything psychedelic or astral is considered such, and magic originally as i was taught is either spirit or nature based, and the part re wiccians (naturists) was skipped over rather quickly in the article

Well, i think the lines became blurry quite early,..
Meaning there never truly existed a clear distinction between
different forms / approaches to magic , whether one thinks
of / treats magic as a concept or a practice.
End of the 19th century the revived interest in Europe and the US
for "occult subjects" spawned a lot of publications which
deal with diverse ideas of / perspectives on magic.

The article doesn't really touch upon Wicca or Nature magic as such,
Wilson only uses the example of pagans to illustrate how they usually have a different approach to "Evil" and it's diametric counterpart..
Where (dogmatic) fundamentalists of nearly every sort are usually quite convinced of
themselves employing the side of the "good" , and thus also quick to label
others with different views as evil and in dualistic opposition to themselves.
Most illustrative of this is perhaps the Catholic church in Europe
and their suppresion of any form of "Witchcraft / nature Magic /paganism" which they deemed negative, subversive , or
in competition with their preferred explanation of things.
It can largely be explained by considering human fear of the unknown,.
what they don't understand , seems to threaten them and so they demonize, ostracize, or attempt to wipe it out...
The other substancial part of explaining is that when an institution
wants to hold it's authoritive power it can not tolerate viable
alternate explanations challenging it's sole correct version of events/reality.

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h3rm35 Wrote:btw, anyone in search of "Illuminatus!" may contact me via PM if they'd like me to up the audio version to a tracker other than concen...

It's fiction, so it's not allowed on our tracker.

would love to have an audio version ! Thanks~

h3rm35 Wrote:I don't really understand why RAW material ends up in a Gnostic publication.

Perhaps this approaches nitpicking about semantics,
but what qualifies as "gnostic" ?
I think the name does not exactly make it "a gnostic publication"
Gnostica magazine covered a lot of fringe and "new age" stuff
in the 1970's , besides that it had the occasional good article .
another example of a publication mixing in all sorts of approaches
to "magic / the occult " .

Peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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07-21-2010, 05:48 AM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
round n round goes the chase for wind,
the outside we seek is trapped within





...
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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07-21-2010, 02:24 PM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
I'd prefer to tread carefully before opening my 3rd eye wide. Not fear but maybe wade in the shallows before going of the proverbial deep end. I've heard a few many horror stories real or imagined to jump in with both feet before testing the waters with my little toe.

That said the alchemy of spirit, thought and the physical manifestation intrigue me. But where to start?
There are no others, there is only us.
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07-21-2010, 03:52 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2010, 03:56 PM by standvast.)
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
FastTadpole Wrote:I'd prefer to tread carefully before opening my 3rd eye wide.

Not sure if it's something that can be guided / controlled ,..
sometimes the opening happens epiphany-wise, sometimes gradually,..
but to have a little apprehension / skepticism seems only human.

FastTadpole Wrote:Not fear but maybe wade in the shallows before going of the proverbial deep end. I've heard a few many horror stories real or imagined to jump in with both feet before testing the waters with my little toe.

There is no benefit to impulsively submerging oneself in murky waters,..
IMHO taking the time to digest / reflect is very important, and in a
sense one of the most workable methods of gaining greater perspective.

FastTadpole Wrote:That said the alchemy of spirit, thought and the physical manifestation intrigue me. But where to start?

I'd suggest to find something / an approach
that you feel you are instinctively drawn to,
test it,.. be inquisitive and see if it stands up to scrutiny,.
never accept anything on face value,
challenge any self-appointed prophet / teacher,..
(same for third party appointees_ ^^ )
critique and see if the newly acquired info/awareness holds water.

Where to start. ? . i think you started already,.Icon_biggrin
If you can indicate in some more particulars where your interest lie,
i might be able to come up with some recommendations. (reading material)

Peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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07-21-2010, 05:27 PM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
challenge any self-appointed prophet / teacher,..

That's the most important, but a trailblazer to warn of the traps would be of value to me.

My background in this arena is sparse at best. I've watched most of The Great Work (Chance Gardner) some Ancient Egyptian stuff I have come accross has me looking for more information on that sort of thing, they seemed to have a firm grasp of the art.

King Frederick V of Bohemia (1600s) seemed to be on to something but I can't find any more information on it other than Terrence Mckenna's - The Alchemical Dream which is more of a history lesson with nothing specific.

I've read some tarot and astrology stuff but that a huge mixed bag full of shillery, wanna-bes and pretenders. If I could look at some genuine old tarot I might be able to garner something from that, I plan on going to the temple of Carnack someday to experience the architecture. The Quaballah seems to contain a lot of knowledge on this too.

There's the whole DMT research aspect I've brushed on. I suppose I'm just feeling around the edges on that one, seems a tad intense and more of a leap than I'd be willing to take without learning more.

Any other paths or means to achieve the same ends? Perhaps looking into far east culture, Chinese, Tibet and Japanese. Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism all seem to contain hints of enlightenment but, like any religion, are rife with pitfalls of misinfo.

Mayans, NA Indians, Aboriginals, Gypsies .... History, or what's left of it for us to see, contains the key IMO but there are many doors and many keyholes.

Anything or anyone I (we) should definitely avoid?
There are no others, there is only us.
http://FastTadpole.com/
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07-21-2010, 09:39 PM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
Seems like you did the wide range orientation,
or at least had a good look around..

Regarding the tarot, I have a "BOTA"(Builders Of The Adytum_)
tarot deck which i like a lot, the cards come in black outline images,
designed to be colored by the user as he/she wishes.
I'm colorblind, i kept mine black/ white.
for an idea of the imagery ; Cards
The only thing i tend to do with it is look through it when i
try to tie back something conceptual to its presumed archetype,
exploring what symbols and attributes seem to fit,
a process of orientation/ classification by character and relations/connections.

FastTadpole Wrote:Anything or anyone I (we) should definitely avoid?

Personally i never liked anything with an aggrandizing personality cult in it,
an appointed leader / authority structure nor anything stated in commanding dogmatic terms.
I dislike what i view to be skewed / warped Western interpretations
of Eastern occult / philosophical concepts,
I tend to avoid HP Blavatsky and some other (late 1800's and up)
voices / perspectives on "Werstern Esotericism" all together .
I can't say you should actually avoid any of these all together though, just speaking personal dislikes here,..
Albert Pike is too pompous for my liking, but i read him..
there are usually some profound insights hidden in the muck,
and even bad examples can teach valuable lessons.

Quote:There's the whole DMT research aspect I've brushed on. I suppose I'm just feeling around the edges on that one, seems a tad intense and more of a leap than I'd be willing to take without learning more.

Same here , i brushed on it as a topic and had first hand accounts of friends
having what they discribe as transcending experiences on it,
never tried it myself.

Quote:Any other paths or means to achieve the same ends? Perhaps looking into far east culture, Chinese, Tibet and Japanese. Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism all seem to contain hints of enlightenment but, like any religion, are rife with pitfalls of misinfo.

Well, i find the best parts are not the religion of these, but the practice,
to actively meditate and observe certain basic principles,
(only if they agree with you, mind you )
(in a simple sense; compassion, mental and physical exercise,
challenging oneself, reflection on proverbs, legends, realizing ones integral nature, if there is such to be found. )

Peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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10-10-2010, 03:11 PM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
This is my first post on ConCen so please be gentle with me.

I do not believe in such concepts as black or white magick.
This would be the same as trying to describe electricity as black or white (good or bad).
Electricity can be used to bring light, keep people alive or just as easily can be used to injure or kill people.
The point of magick is the intent behind the action.
Too many of the 'white light' brigade feel they can use magick to cure all of their friends ills and those of the world in general by waving a piece of wood about and lighting a couple of scented candles (tongue firmly in cheek). They rarely take into account the exact wording/intent of what they are doing or the wishes of those they are trying to 'help'.

If in doubt do nothing or ensure you have the full acceptance of the recipient of any 'helpful' intent.
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05-07-2011, 11:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2011, 11:23 AM by Infinite.)
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
(10-10-2010, 03:11 PM)kaosgerbil Wrote: This is my first post on ConCen so please be gentle with me.

I do not believe in such concepts as black or white magick.
This would be the same as trying to describe electricity as black or white (good or bad).
Electricity can be used to bring light, keep people alive or just as easily can be used to injure or kill people.
The point of magick is the intent behind the action.
Too many of the 'white light' brigade feel they can use magick to cure all of their friends ills and those of the world in general by waving a piece of wood about and lighting a couple of scented candles (tongue firmly in cheek). They rarely take into account the exact wording/intent of what they are doing or the wishes of those they are trying to 'help'.

If in doubt do nothing or ensure you have the full acceptance of the recipient of any 'helpful' intent.

Say word son (or girl, whichever). Although actually I don't believe in any of it.
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05-12-2011, 02:19 PM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
Is it 'magic' or 'magick'?

That question can raise some serious debates when these people aren't partaking in their favourite pastime; pointing out the absurdities of Christian beliefs.
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05-14-2011, 03:22 PM,
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RE: Don't be afraid of Black Magic
(10-10-2010, 03:11 PM)kaosgerbil Wrote: This is my first post on ConCen so please be gentle with me.

I do not believe in such concepts as black or white magick.
This would be the same as trying to describe electricity as black or white (good or bad).
Electricity can be used to bring light, keep people alive or just as easily can be used to injure or kill people.
The point of magick is the intent behind the action.
Too many of the 'white light' brigade feel they can use magick to cure all of their friends ills and those of the world in general by waving a piece of wood about and lighting a couple of scented candles (tongue firmly in cheek). They rarely take into account the exact wording/intent of what they are doing or the wishes of those they are trying to 'help'.

If in doubt do nothing or ensure you have the full acceptance of the recipient of any 'helpful' intent.

Your concept magick is off, though. To be straight-forward, magick is nothing other than one's relationship to nature. White magick is anything that takes your soul/spirit/consciousness (whatever you want to call it up) vertically upwards, and black magick is anything that doesn't. Neither of these are inherently good or evil, as you pointed out. Now, there is a third part to this which people miss: sorcery. Sorcery is the misuse of either white or black magick. White magick can be misused for evil means, too. Lets not forget light can also scorch, blind, and conceal, too.

You're looking for something concrete and inherent in these concepts and the subsequent applications - its impossible, because that is not the nature of the universe. Because of this flawed perception of magick, it is written off. But, its futile to think you can escape it, because magick is everywhere, as it is nature. Magick is an 'esoteric' or a more refined and sharpened understanding of nature (nature of the world, universe, and the human mind, and everything else), and our uses of such knowledge.

What is magick or sorcery is ultimately decided by the practicer. For example, there is nothing inherently evil about the esoteric symbolism the 'elites' use. The All-Seeing Eye doesn't belong to them. They stole it, in fact, but that's besides the point. We can use it to empower ourselves, too. Its YOUR nature (behavior, attitude, values, virtues, etc) that matters. You give meaning to it, not the other way around. That's really what they don't want you to find out. So they infect you with their (mis)uses of it everywhere. Then "conspiracy theorists" attack the All-Seeing Eye like it is inherently evil, which is dehumanizing it because you haven't taken it back for yourself. Its a very elaborate ritual that most of humanity is apart of. Unless you're using this knowledge for yourself, of course, on a very individual level, where your life and destiny is decided by you. Otherwise, yeah, you are apart of their ritual, where you're just a broken and misguided soul. Or, you're some sociopathic fuck who has no self/soul/spirit to speak of, like the elites. And if they are the ones using this knowledge, and they are, well... that explains a lot.

Today's so-called occultists and refuters alike are flawed in their understanding of what magick is. Its nature, that's it... or all... lol.
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