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Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM,
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Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/08/foia_climategate/
Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty

Climategate row rumbles on

By Andrew Orlowski (andrew.orlowski@theregister.co.uk)

Posted in Environment, 8th July 2010 16:03 GMT

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Climatic Research Unit director Phil Jones was being whisked back to his desk at the University of East Anglia by the University's Russell enquiry yesterday.

But with exquisite timing, the Information Commissioner's office chose the same day to confirm that CRU had twice broken the Freedom of Information regulations - once by ignoring the request, and twice by refusing the actual data. The breaches carry a civil penalty.

More is to come, as this was one of four complaints by David Holland under consideration by the ICO, which adjudicates on both FOI requests and EIRs, or Environmental Information Regulations. Other bodies include the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) and the Met Office.

Bodies involved in the IPCC's procedures are obliged to "ensure that the assessment was undertaken on a comprehensive objective open and transparent basis; … ensure that all written expert and government review comments were retained in an open archive for a period of at least 5 years, and ensure that Review Editors who supervised the assessment submitted a 'written report' - by the IPCC's own rules.

The Met Office initially responded to Holland by claiming that it had destroyed the data - it had kept no working papers and no correspondence. Then the Met changed its excuse. It said it hadn't destroyed the data - but that its Director of Climate Science John Mitchell OBE (who has since left the Met) was conducting his work as Review Editor for the IPCC in a personal capacity, and so it wouldn't say what he was doing.

When it emerged that the taxpayer had paid for Mitchell to perform his work for the IPCC (the Met even met his expenses), the excuse for refusal changed once more, claming it wasn't in the public interest.

Holland tried again, under EIR Regulation 11, hoping for a speedier result than the prevarication with which public bodies meet FOI requests. Under FOI they can stall until they are no longer obliged to disclose the information. CRU refused to provide the reviewers' comments outright.

The Met stalled, at first refusing to consider the request under EIR rules, then claiming a loophole, regulation 2(1) that "These archiving and contribution procedures, instructions and correspondence are administrative information and not environmental information"

The UEA claimed the same loophole as the Met. In yesterday's ruling, the ICO reminded UEA that the 2(1) could not be interpreted so narrowly, and that public bodies had to interpret it as widely as possible. His notes are here [1].

The damning archive of emails, source code and station data was called FOIA.ZIP, and is believed to have been to have been compiled by an insider.

In January, the ICO said it had prima facie evidence that CRU academics had broken the law - repeatedly promising to evade requests and asking colleagues to remove data that Holland had requested. The evasion began in 2005, long before the trickle of polite requests became a deluge last year. In one case, Jones even requested Briffa to delete data the very day after one of Holland's requests.

Remarkably, the Russell inquiry did not ask Jones whether he deleted any email. Russell's report cites two of the most damning deletion requests, then declares: "There seems clear incitement to delete emails, although we have seen no evidence of any attempt to delete information in respect of a request already made."

One of the inquiry team, Lancet editor Richard Horton declared in a newspaper article that this would be the "final inquiry". He's either being hasty, or optimistic. MP Graham Stringer described the Russell inquiry as inadequate and called for Parliament to re-open an investigation. ®
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1. http://www.thegwpf.org/climategate/1206-david-holland-a-ruling-more-significant-than-russell-review.html
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08-03-2010, 11:10 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-03-2010, 11:22 AM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
I gather Jones didn't wish for the release of PROXY DATA until it had been successfully converted into usable climate data.

One can guess that he didn't wish "climate deniers" to make something out of the raw data contrary to the general notion (that the Earth is warming due to Man's activities), and one can see that he exceeded his brief by delaying matters (instead of having the recalculations performed). But that is all he did.

I find it amusing that you poor folks all fall into line behind each other. So it's OK to spy, as long as YOU do it?

Oh dear, yet again - a "truther" HYPOCRISIS!

Step back and make way, folks, as "truther" lemmings discover another cliff to jump off...

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08-03-2010, 04:34 PM,
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RE: Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
Everybody bow to the shill from the ministry of truth. Only jr knows stuff cause he's a signtest.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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08-03-2010, 04:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-03-2010, 07:18 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
(08-03-2010, 04:34 PM)icosaface Wrote: Everybody bow to the shill from the ministry of truth. Only jr knows stuff cause he's a signtest.
"In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments." - WIKI

Whenever you see personal attacks and abusive ad hominem arguments being used in a discussion, it is unlikely that anything productive will come out of it in the end. A person who can only make their case by attacking others probably doesn't have much of case to begin with.
The proper way to evaluate the merits of an argument is by looking at what the argument says, not by distracting people's attention from the argument by insulting the person and then, unreasonably, concluding that your insult is a good reason to dismiss the argument.
Unfortunately, abusive ad hominems like these can be very effective, because they do indeed divert people's attention away from the primary issue being debated. By making someone appear suspicious, ridiculous, or just inconsistent, people will start focusing on that rather than anything else. What's more, once people get suspicious of a person, it can be difficult for them to stop.

Anytime you would care to use these pages for the purposes intended for them - just let me know - and keep your culo covered up...
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08-04-2010, 03:44 AM,
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RE: Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
You don't have an argument, you have an agenda.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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08-04-2010, 09:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-04-2010, 10:22 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: Info commissioner finds saintly CRU crew guilty, Climategate row rumbles on
(08-04-2010, 03:44 AM)icosaface Wrote: You don't have an argument, you have an agenda.
The reverse of the truth.

Did Jones wish for the release of PROXY DATA before it had been successfully converted into usable climate data?
Did he wish for "climate deniers" to make something out of the raw data contrary to the general notion (that the Earth is warming due to Man's activities)?
Did he exceed his brief by delaying matters (instead of having the recalculations performed)?
Is that all he did?
Do you poor folks all fall into line behind each other?
Is it OK to spy, as long as YOU do it?
Is this yet another "truther" CRISIS of UTTER hypocrisy?
Are "truthers" lemmings with no sense of direction at all?

Cat got your tongue? Can't you answer these questions, one-by-one, all the way to the end? YES or NO, and reasons, eh?

Or is it time for you to utter another codeword ?
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