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So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
06-22-2010, 07:38 PM,
#1
So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
Yeah it looks like Stan the Man talked too damn much to Rolling Stone. Or did he? Maybe McChrystal doesn't want to be general anymore and decided to speak out knowing that he was going to be fired. But that hardly sounds like the way a soldier would do it. But then what makes a soldier anymore?

Anyway, this story has broken over the MSM and everyone is going gaga about this article.

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The Runaway General
Stanley McChrystal, Obama's top commander in Afghanistan, has seized control of the war by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House

By Michael Hastings
Jun 22, 2010 10:00 AM EDT

This article appears in RS 1108/1109 from July 8-22, 2010, on newsstands Friday, June 25.

'How'd I get screwed into going to this dinner?" demands Gen. Stanley McChrystal. It's a Thursday night in mid-April, and the commander of all U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan is sitting in a four-star suite at the Hôtel Westminster in Paris. He's in France to sell his new war strategy to our NATO allies – to keep up the fiction, in essence, that we actually have allies. Since McChrystal took over a year ago, the Afghan war has become the exclusive property of the United States. Opposition to the war has already toppled the Dutch government, forced the resignation of Germany's president and sparked both Canada and the Netherlands to announce the withdrawal of their 4,500 troops. McChrystal is in Paris to keep the French, who have lost more than 40 soldiers in Afghanistan, from going all wobbly on him.

"The dinner comes with the position, sir," says his chief of staff, Col. Charlie Flynn.

McChrystal turns sharply in his chair.

"Hey, Charlie," he asks, "does this come with the position?"

McChrystal gives him the middle finger.

The general stands and looks around the suite that his traveling staff of 10 has converted into a full-scale operations center. The tables are crowded with silver Panasonic Toughbooks, and blue cables crisscross the hotel's thick carpet, hooked up to satellite dishes to provide encrypted phone and e-mail communications. Dressed in off-the-rack civilian casual – blue tie, button-down shirt, dress slacks – McChrystal is way out of his comfort zone. Paris, as one of his advisers says, is the "most anti-McChrystal city you can imagine." The general hates fancy restaurants, rejecting any place with candles on the tables as too "Gucci." He prefers Bud Light Lime (his favorite beer) to Bordeaux,
Talladega Nights

(his favorite movie) to Jean-Luc Godard. Besides, the public eye has never been a place where McChrystal felt comfortable: Before President Obama put him in charge of the war in Afghanistan, he spent five years running the Pentagon's most secretive black ops.

"What's the update on the Kandahar bombing?" McChrystal asks Flynn. The city has been rocked by two massive car bombs in the past day alone, calling into question the general's assurances that he can wrest it from the Taliban.

"We have two KIAs, but that hasn't been confirmed," Flynn says.

McChrystal takes a final look around the suite. At 55, he is gaunt and lean, not unlike an older version of Christian Bale in Rescue Dawn. His slate-blue eyes have the unsettling ability to drill down when they lock on you. If you've fucked up or disappointed him, they can destroy your soul without the need for him to raise his voice.

"I'd rather have my ass kicked by a roomful of people than go out to this dinner," McChrystal says.

He pauses a beat.

"Unfortunately," he adds, "no one in this room could do it."

With that, he's out the door.

"Who's he going to dinner with?" I ask one of his aides.

"Some French minister," the aide tells me. "It's fucking gay."

The next morning, McChrystal and his team gather to prepare for a speech he is giving at the École Militaire, a French military academy. The general prides himself on being sharper and ballsier than anyone else, but his brashness comes with a price: Although McChrystal has been in charge of the war for only a year, in that short time he has managed to piss off almost everyone with a stake in the conflict. Last fall, during the question-and-answer session following a speech he gave in London, McChrystal dismissed the counterterrorism strategy being advocated by Vice President Joe Biden as "shortsighted," saying it would lead to a state of "Chaos-istan." The remarks earned him a smackdown from the president himself, who summoned the general to a terse private meeting aboard Air Force One. The message to McChrystal seemed clear: Shut the fuck up, and keep a lower profile

Now, flipping through printout cards of his speech in Paris, McChrystal wonders aloud what Biden question he might get today, and how he should respond. "I never know what's going to pop out until I'm up there, that's the problem," he says. Then, unable to help themselves, he and his staff imagine the general dismissing the vice president with a good one-liner.

"Are you asking about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal says with a laugh. "Who's that?"

"Biden?" suggests a top adviser. "Did you say: Bite Me?"

When Barack Obama entered the Oval Office, he immediately set out to deliver on his most important campaign promise on foreign policy: to refocus the war in Afghanistan on what led us to invade in the first place. "I want the American people to understand," he announced in March 2009. "We have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan." He ordered another 21,000 troops to Kabul, the largest increase since the war began in 2001. Taking the advice of both the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he also fired Gen. David McKiernan – then the U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan – and replaced him with a man he didn't know and had met only briefly: Gen. Stanley McChrystal. It was the first time a top general had been relieved from duty during wartime in more than 50 years, since Harry Truman fired Gen. Douglas MacArthur at the height of the Korean War.

Even though he had voted for Obama, McChrystal and his new commander in chief failed from the outset to connect. The general first encountered Obama a week after he took office, when the president met with a dozen senior military officials in a room at the Pentagon known as the Tank. According to sources familiar with the meeting, McChrystal thought Obama looked "uncomfortable and intimidated" by the roomful of military brass. Their first one-on-one meeting took place in the Oval Office four months later, after McChrystal got the Afghanistan job, and it didn't go much better. "It was a 10-minute photo op," says an adviser to McChrystal. "Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. Here's the guy who's going to run his fucking war, but he didn't seem very engaged. The Boss was pretty disappointed."

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This story is 6 pages long and too long for this thread. Here is the link at Rolling Stone for those who want to read the whole thing.

Link: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

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"I's sorry massah, I's be a good niggah from nigh on"

Here is the bullshit Washington Post story on what Barry thinks about the Rolling Stone article:

Obama leaving options open on firing McChrystal, Gibbs says

By Michael D. Shear, Ernesto Londoño and Debbi Wilgoren
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, June 22, 2010; 1:38 PM

President Obama reacted angrily to derogatory comments by Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, about administration officials involved in Afghan policy and is leaving his options open about firing him, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Tuesday.

Gibbs described Obama as "angry" after reading about McChrystal's comments in a Rolling Stone magazine profile.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Tuesday that McChrystal "made a significant mistake and exercised poor judgment" in making the dismissive remarks to a reporter for the magazine.

McChrystal has been summoned to Washington to explain highly critical comments by him and his staff about Vice President Biden, U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl W. Eikenberry and other top Obama administration officials.

The profile of McChrystal, titled the "Runaway General," is certain to increase tension between him and the White House. It also raises fresh questions about the judgment and leadership style of the commander appointed by President Obama last year in an effort to turn around a worsening conflict.

In a White House news briefing, Gibbs called McChrystal's comments "an enormous mistake" and repeatedly refused to offer confidence in the general or to say whether McChrystal's job is safe in the wake of the article.

"The president will speak with Gen. McChrystal about his comments, and we'll have more to say after that meeting," Gibbs said. Asked whether Obama was considering firing him, Gibbs said, "All options are on the table."

Gibbs called the gravity of the comments in the article "profound." He said of Obama's reaction, "he was angry." Pressed for details, Gibbs said that "you'd know it when you saw it."

Asked about comments in the article in which McChrystal reportedly said he was disappointed in Obama and did not think he had Obama's attention, Gibbs said that "he'll have his undivided attention tomorrow."

In response to questions about McChrystal's importance to the fight in Afghanistan, Gibbs said the effort there is "bigger than any one man."

In a statement, Gates said, "I read with concern the profile piece on Gen. Stanley McChrystal in the upcoming edition of 'Rolling Stone' magazine." He added: "Our troops and coalition partners are making extraordinary sacrifices on behalf of our security, and our singular focus must be on supporting them and succeeding in Afghanistan without such distractions.

"Gen. McChrystal has apologized to me and is similarly reaching out to others named in this article to apologize to them as well. I have recalled Gen. McChrystal to Washington to discuss this in person."

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Once again this article is 5 pages long and too long for this thread so here is the link if you want to read the complete article.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062200813.html
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken




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06-24-2010, 06:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-24-2010, 08:43 PM by itsaname.)
#2
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
Great post, The entire piece was good- Here are 11 jaw-droppers, groaners and sigh-inducers.

From a link on AntiWar.com-http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/11_revelations_from_rolling_stones_mcchrystal_profile_20100622/

1. The general would “rather have my ass kicked by a roomful of people than go out to this dinner” with a French minister, but determines no one is capable of beating his ass. One of his aides says of the dinner, “It’s fucking gay.”

2. Vice President Joe Biden? “Who’s that?,” McChrystal jokes. An aide adds, “Did you say: Bite Me?”

3. McChrystal’s handpicked staff calls itself “Team America,” after the movie “Team America: World Police” that makes fun of people like Stanley McChrystal and his staff.

4. McChrystal is said to sleep little, eat less and run a lot. In one month, the reporter witnesses the general eating only once.

5. Although he clearly doesn’t get along with President Obama and is disappointed in their relationship, McChrystal voted for the president.

6. Team America actually likes Hillary Clinton (a rare honor for an administration official) because she once advocated giving McChrystal whatever he wanted.

7. McChrystal had to negotiate for hours to have Afghan President Hamid Karzai roused from a nap.

8. McChrystal was a key figure in the cover-up of Pat Tillman’s friendly-fire killing and warned the Bush
administration that the then-president could be embarrassed. McChrystal was also linked to detainee abuse. These two scandals did nothing to thwart his rise. The general was promoted days after Tillman’s death.

9. The general carries a set of custom nunchuks with his name engraved on them.

10. One particularly compelling section of the article shows McChrystal trying and failing to convince soldiers on the ground that his strategy is worthwhile. There is a strong feeling among the rank-and-file soldiers quoted that we are losing the war.

11. A senior adviser is quoted as saying the war is going worse than we realize: “If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it would become even less popular.” Still, Pentagon officials are hoping that rather than a withdrawal of troops, the White House will approve a third surge.

He carries around a set of custom nunchuks with his fucking name engraved on them.? Un fucking believable .. It shows this murdering, war mongering freaks mindset.

Do yourself a favor and read the entire article NickHedge linked to. There are many more gems where these came from.

Thanx Nick

(Edit) For the blind who didn't see that this is an article from a website, Heres the link again

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/11_revelations_from_rolling_stones_mcchrystal_profile_20100622/
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06-24-2010, 02:11 PM,
#3
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
Usual Rolling Stone bullshit.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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06-24-2010, 02:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-24-2010, 02:39 PM by Deathaniel.)
#4
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
(06-24-2010, 06:23 AM)itsaname Wrote: 4. McChrystal is said to sleep little, eat less and run a lot. In one month, the reporter witnesses the general eating only once.

not every human needs to fill there face with thousands of calories a day, like the holy man they just studied, i'm sure he has tuned himself to go long peroids without food and to need only what he loses in water. you shouldn't be hating on him for that....Suspicious

(06-24-2010, 06:23 AM)itsaname Wrote: 7. McChrystal had to negotiate for hours to have Afghan President Hamid Karzai roused from a nap.

lucky they were using mcC and not me as i'd have used my troops to wake his ass up and / if not dispose of him by a discrete way he's as crooked and useless as they come and i've got this from two afghans who were there during his original turn over.

(06-24-2010, 06:23 AM)itsaname Wrote: 8. McChrystal was a key figure in the cover-up of Pat Tillman’s friendly-fire killing and warned the Bush
administration that the then-president could be embarrassed. McChrystal was also linked to detainee abuse. These two scandals did nothing to thwart his rise. The general was promoted days after Tillman’s death.

as a good soldier should have been!!! Did all you limp wrist ed whiners forget what a soldier is there for! What because of a friendly fire tragedy, (and we canuks have been on the receiving end a few times) should ruin a outstanding career? when there is a draft or mandatory military service maybe we can be more fussy who we send off to die for the weak and scared who remain back home until then let them do there job, as long as you can sleep soundly!

(06-24-2010, 06:23 AM)itsaname Wrote: 9. The general carries a set of custom nunchuks with his name engraved on them.
good a mans man like chuck (norris) who if he runs out of ammo has no intent on surrender, bet he's kick ass with them, let the sword wielding turban-ators fuck with him and he'll hand there ass to them on a plate. All soldiers should be lethal with melee combat, it's our reliance on guns and numbers that make us a laughable army and why we need to use long range weapons to win!

(06-24-2010, 06:23 AM)itsaname Wrote: 10. One particularly compelling section of the article shows McChrystal trying and failing to convince soldiers on the ground that his strategy is worthwhile. There is a strong feeling among the rank-and-file soldiers quoted that we are losing the war.
once again signs of a good soldier the army is not a democracy, some times capturing that mountain is suicide, but if you can victory is yours! With pussy attitudes like the author here we'd not have taken normandy on d-day. and frankly as many know i'd have no problem with a world that speaks german and jap. but most here would side with the allies and there victory including the continued rise of the jew... and realistically the only reason why were losing is every time we cap one of the sheet waring heathens we have to report it and justify it. i say if he's armed and dressed in curtains shoot him and search his shit with robots, this will make terrorism less likely as there needs to be a REAL fear in there hearts to counter there religious shit. weed out the radicals by executing them simple and cheep.

(06-24-2010, 06:23 AM)itsaname Wrote: 11. A senior adviser is quoted as saying the war is going worse than we realize: “If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it would become even less popular.” Still, Pentagon officials are hoping that rather than a withdrawal of troops, the White House will approve a third surge.

He carries around a set of custom nunchuks with his fucking name engraved on them.? Un fucking believable .. It shows this murdering, war mongering freaks mindset.

Yes many would disagree as our current war model is in effective and cost lives for nothing. be frank!!!! colonize, force the next gens to civilize or die. this is how wars r to be fought with the need to not kill civilians and to give sovereignty back tripe ect... no war will ever be over and each country is worse off then when we entered it!

a good serge to scrub it clean would work if obama would man up and scrub the boarder. If there cause is right there GOD will save them! other wise time to get cleaning, and if women and children get it so be it it's not like theirs a shortage of people over there! and don't they support the system every time they don't poison the terrorists when they come to feed! they have the balls some to kill the invader but not the intelligence to kill the paracite thats killing them. were just the doc not the disease!

as for the chucks.... man your a real tree huger hope you don't have need of protection, you should stay in america and keep up with the false protest, pussy! and change your name as it's obvious your not anti isreal, but pro there limp wrist ed agenda, prob a spook trying to push the lefty ideology sissy, go suck your thumb. would be better if the name on them was in reverse so when he hits you it bruises or burns his name in readable fashion. he's a f'n general that means 1000% more man the you will ever be!
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

Deathanyl @gmail!!!!!!
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06-24-2010, 08:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-25-2010, 06:16 AM by itsaname.)
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RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
Are you still upset because your mom told you she wanted you to get a job and move out of the basement Deathanyl? Tell her to leave you alone, Just because she caught you down there wearing your sisters orange hooter shorts and high heels, practicing kung fu in the mirror with you nunckuks doesn't mean she has to be mean to you.
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06-25-2010, 12:05 AM,
#6
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
Sheeee-it, you mean that post wasn't sarcasm!?
Don't believe anything they say.
And at the same time,
Don't believe that they say anything without a reason.
---Immanuel Kant
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06-25-2010, 05:53 AM,
#7
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
(06-24-2010, 08:39 PM)itsaname Wrote: Are you still upset because your mom told you she wanted you to get a job and move out of the basement Deathanyl? Tell her to leave you alone, Just because she caught you down there wearing your sisters orange hooter shorts and high heels, practicing kung fu in the mirror with you nunckuks doesn't mean she has to mean to you.

LOL
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06-25-2010, 06:33 AM,
#8
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
I did not mean to insult you Nick in the PM, I thought I was PM- ing someone else. I'M sorry for being stupid
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06-25-2010, 03:04 PM,
#9
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
(06-25-2010, 06:33 AM)itsaname Wrote: I did not mean to insult you Nick in the PM, I thought I was PM- ing someone else. I'M sorry for being stupid

as i've read here there is no cure for stupid.
and my mom is cool with my orange shorts and i live in the attic... lol

no man it's just sad and lefty for you to hate on a guy cause he's got more balls and bravo then you. I'd think the average here would be happy to see a military man talk so freely about high level players so more of the sheeple would wake the f up!!!

an as some can attest here who know the real me i don't work or have a bank account anymore as i refuse to feed the system, are you that dedicated.

though i still do bring in income and keep food on the table for my 3 white kids... how many kids have you brought into the war fake isreal hater? or is it you still in your mom's and she makes you ware a dome right!!!! LOL
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

Deathanyl @gmail!!!!!!
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06-25-2010, 08:36 PM,
#10
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
Everybody can tell by your posts, deathangyl, that all your apocalyptic wet dreams aside, you'd shit your pants in seconds if any of them actually came to pass. Keep playing a hardass on an anonymous message board to compensate for real life shortcomings.
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06-25-2010, 10:04 PM,
#11
RE: So Long General McChrystal We Hardly Knew Ye
(06-25-2010, 08:36 PM)Melchor Wrote: Everybody can tell by your posts, deathangyl, that all your apocalyptic wet dreams aside, you'd shit your pants in seconds if any of them actually came to pass. Keep playing a hardass on an anonymous message board to compensate for real life shortcomings.

meh i'm no Mc c thats 4 sure but i can hold my own and make sure the tribe i'm truck'n with gets along fine beyond that i care not. as for real life short comings don't we all have them or am i the only non millionaire without a harem here?
and i have no problem saying who i am and where i am and ect... so not trying to be anonymous, i just don't do facebook as it's like making a commercial for yourself and end of the day i'm a quasi private person.

and btw lets just say i did shit myself i can get fresh boxers and keep moving, whats your plan?Icon_biggrin
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

Deathanyl @gmail!!!!!!
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