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Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
06-17-2010, 12:24 PM,
Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
Quote:Children as young as five should be taught about sex, the Government’s controversial health watchdog said last night.

The National Institute for Clinical Excellence – whose main role is to ration NHS drugs – is to write to every primary school telling it to start sex education when pupils are five.

It will tell teachers that children should not be taught to say no to sex – but should learn about the value of ‘mutually rewarding sexual relationships’.

The controversial organisation’s draft guidance to schools came out on the same day that it rejected a life-extending drug for non-small cell lung cancer on the grounds of cost effectiveness.

It said it could not approve the use of Tarceva as a maintenance treatment, despite evidence it could give thousands of patients an extra three months of life.

Sex education is not compulsory in English schools – and even where it is taught, parents have the right to take their children out of lessons.

But this guidance from NICE – albeit in draft form – will put greater pressure on headteachers to provide sex education at an earlier age.

At present, the only part of sex education that is compulsory is the science element – the human reproductive system and how babies are made.

This is taught at secondary school. Guidance from the Department for Education suggests that from the ages of five to seven, children should learn the names of parts of the body, how people change as they get older, the difference between right and wrong, and that friends and family should care for one another.

The 74-page document was produced on NICE’s own initiative after it convened a panel of public health officials and representatives from family planning groups to produce guidance on reducing teenage pregnancy.

NICE says that public health is part of its core remit and that cutting teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease would save the NHS money.

Schools do not have to follow the sex education document – but it is the first ever comprehensive guide to what children should be taught produced by a Government department.

Critics said it was far beyond NICE’s remit and was in danger of actually encouraging children to experiment with sex after learning about it at far too young an age.

Recommendations from NICE include teaching children how to put a condom on and that excessive drinking can lead to sex.

It advises schools to use social networking websites to get the sex message across and calls on teachers to offer children confidential sex advice if they need it – without their parents being told.

The report concludes that sex and relationships education is ‘more effective if it is introduced before young people first have sex’. It says sex education – including information about sexually-transmitted infections, methods of contraception, pregnancy and abortion – can help children and teens delay sex until they are ready.

‘It does not cause them to have sex at an earlier age, or to have more sex, or sex with more partners, and nor does it increase the number of unwanted or teenage conceptions and abortions,’ the guidance says.

NICE claimed that teaching children to ‘say no’ could actually increase the chances of risky sexual behaviour and pregnancy.

Critics last night accused the body of pressuring schools to push the boundaries on sex education and said the guidance undermined traditional values.

Norman Wells, of pressure group Family and Youth Concern, said: ‘The team that drafted the guidance included lobby groups with an agenda to break down moral standards and redefine the family.

Organisations with a commitment to marriage and traditional family values were not represented.’

Margaret Morrissey, of lobby group Parents Out Loud, said: ‘They tell me that once you give indepth information about sex and drugs, 90 per cent will go and experiment – and there’s no way back from that.’

Britain’s teenage pregnancy rate is the highest in western Europe.

There are now more than 40,000 under-18 conceptions every year. Last night the Department for Education would not comment on the guidance.

But Simon Blake, of young people’s sexual health charity Brook, who helped draw up the guidance, said: ‘It’s a myth that sex education encourages children to be more promiscuous or have sex at an early age.

‘In fact, evidence demonstrates this type of education helps children and young people resist pressures to get involved in activities that might damage their health.’
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06-17-2010, 12:52 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
this sounds like a revenge press release from a pharmaceutical company to me.
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06-17-2010, 01:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-17-2010, 01:13 PM by ---.)
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
Quote:But Simon Blake, of young people’s sexual health charity Brook, who helped draw up the guidance, said: ‘It’s a myth that sex education encourages children to be more promiscuous or have sex at an early age.

‘In fact, evidence demonstrates this type of education helps children and young people resist pressures to get involved in activities that might damage their health.’


I'm not worried about what I say on the internet anymore. I have a confession to make - last weekend I attacked someone, beat them and chased them out of a childrens' playground.

I received a phonecall telling me that there was a "weird guy" hanging round at a playground that my own sometimes goes to. So I went to the playground and sure enough there was a guy there sitting watching the children play from a little distance. Looked like a homeless guy, downtrodden and cast adrift from society, I didn't think he was a problem but I went and sat near him to just see. I thought the person who called me was being a paranoid snob. Anyhow, I am not Chuck Norris or something like this but I tried to talk to the guy, friendly like, but he patently ignored me and continued to gaze at the playing children - it was then I noticed that the crotch of his jeans was totally absent and I could effectively see his genitalia. He was sat crossed legged, it became apparent to me that he was able to sit there cross legged and touch himself up whilst watching the children without people realising. As soon as I noticed this I asked him if that is what he was doing, it was clear from his perceptible discomfort at the question, that this is exactly what he was doing.

So I lost it. I have not pre-emtively physically attacked anyone for a very very long time and even then only on a few very rare ocassions where it was definitely the right thing to do, even under the review of time.

So I lost it and started kicking this guy in a non damaging way and telling to gtfo and if I saw him again he would going to hospital at least.

He left - or so it appeared - I hung around out of sight and after about 20minutes or so I could see him re-approaching the playground from round the corner. This way out of sight of the children playing, so I went quickly to where he was and beat him up.

I don't know how I feel about it as it made me feel wrong and he is still going to be able to do this again - even if maybe not daring to return to the same playground again. Should I have just detained him and called the cops? would they have done anything? At the time I was thinking how the law makes us powerless and how it was not an effective resolution to the problem. A child was murdered here only two years ago and they belonged to an active neo-nazi family and the family declared to was a Purim thing. that's by the by but I feel disempowered and worried about this thing.

What else could I have done that would have been a better solution that wouldn't have potentially resulted in my life being trashed as a consequence?

sigh. The point to keep a long story short is I am not going to worry about what I write on the internet anymore and to be honest, it is probably about time that ppl start getting balayed up and giving this absolute horrific tools of the system, like Simon Blake, "home visits" like in the great tradition of the crazy animal rights people. Burn out their cars. Flyer the local area about them. Intimidate them. Make their life hell.

Children should not be robbed of the innocence of childhood..and why? for the sake of a scientific dictatorship and it's attendent psychological control bureaucracy?

I have a child around the same age as what this douchebag is proposing is the state should start making them think about fucking. I am not a prude nor a victorian and I understand that being either of these things is not helpful but to suggest that little 5 year old kids running around playing and enjoying childhood should be given state sex education in an effort to curb teenage pregnacy rates is not only obviously completely flawed but also patently obscene. sick bastad.
I am not homophobic but considering the stage play so far one has to wonder if he one of these militant queers that so often seem to weedle themselves into committees concerning so called child education and socialisation.
06-17-2010, 04:01 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
Agreed iC1! [Image: fighting0030.gif] In this case I find no mercy either! [Image: fighting0043.gif] [Image: fighting0045.gif]

What an experience nik ! Icon_sad

I don't know that you did the right thing...... only because I'm not necessarily sure what the right thing to do in a case like that would be (today).

I AM beyond proud and glad that your reaction was violent though! Feels odd saying that.... but IMAGINE what anyone else would have done..... which is probably not much of anything. Others may have turned their heads and decided that they didn't see what they thought they saw.

It's pretty badass that someone NOTIFIED YOU instead of the cops. Hat's off to that!! Clap There must be some kind of neighborhood trust going on where your at. That's good.

I can't believe that after the first incidence he actually came back... or tried to continue on in his pursuit. THAT is totally effed. Icon_sad

I do think you should have detained him and involved the cops though. He would have been even more humiliated, and HE'D HAVE A RECORD then. Upon being arrested most likely, all the parents and passerby's would have seen him and remembered his face!! Now it's not on record.... which makes him safer IMO. He could have been a repeat offender.... and I'd bet that it's likely.

How awful. I'm sorry to hear you just went through this.... it had to shake you up. Icon_sad thanks for telling us. Caress
06-17-2010, 04:13 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
I have 3 kids and well as much as i do not shelter them to the greif of there mom, I think the ed model proposed is VERY dangerous, the science should be sooner then after puberty i agree with that bit the "education" about it should be about predators, and the dangers, not the enjoyments.

but some frank lessons to the girls in particular would be good at a younger age, and in the sense of reality not gov fiction. advise them of the social consequences of being a whore. how boys really think ect. I did this with my 14 minus years sister in law when she was younger and at 17 from others i have learned she is not a slut, but still is well liked, so obviously some of my intel helped her.

parents r too weirded out bout, or not experienced enough on there own to give adequate sex ed in both the sci and the social. but at 5 is too young and before puberty it should be parental authorized and the parent s should be forced to attend the class first to know what is being taught, and how to answer any questions the children may have afterwords.

of course this would mean parents actually taking time from thee busy tv and personal lives to attend a night at the school with other parents and actually learn a thing or two themselves, which they'd whine is not "convenient" or an abuse on there rights... ect.

bottom line though 5 is too young to teach other then the basic stay away from strangers in public places, keep a parent in site, and be as loud and violent with any one who tries to talk/ guide you away, and tell your mom/dad/sitter if you do see strange "grubby homeless ect" people near the park with out children. of course best way to keep your children safe befour 8 is to remain with them and keep your eye on them.

kudo's to the stomping of the guy you caught... "since when did you become the aggressive type McFly"

thought that your response would be to call 911 or find him some council-ing. The curb council-ing is always best and if you got time and location Icon_biggrin
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

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06-17-2010, 09:13 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
I'd say you handled that pretty well, nik. You checked out the situation to see what was going on exactly and then escalated as the situation required. There are too many pedo's in positions of authority to deal with this kind of thing effectively. Sometimes a good old fashion kung fu lesson is what's needed to let others know when their behavior is not appropriate. A difficult situation for sure, but you handled it well.
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equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

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06-17-2010, 09:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-17-2010, 09:41 PM by h3rm35.)
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
I'd have brought some form of club... I wouldn't want to get any of the freak's blood on me... who knows where he's been? That said, if you do see him again, take pictures, call the cops, and give a statement. Testify if necessary. There are only a few instances where I feel that reporting people to the police is justified, and this is one of them. Child molesters and rapists (excluding statutory between consenting people of similar ages,) are the only crimes not perpetrated by governments or for a government's interests that I am OK with sentencing the person to death.

I'd hesitate to take the article at face value though, because it really does seem like the author makes a point of naming and renaming the drug, and also names its manufacturer. Before I got in a huff about it, I'd like to see the actual materials, rather than take for granted the interpretation of someone with an alternate agenda or a chip on their shoulder.

for those who might want to "contact" the people behind this curriculum, there's a list of who's involved in the original article:
Roll call of advisers behind the new guidelines

Project director of Brent Education Action Zone

Director of the Centre for Public Health at Liverpool John Moores University

Huddersfield New College

Chief executive, young people’s sexual health charity Brook

Teacher advisor in PSHE, Wakefield-Education Advisory Service

Young person representative

Manager of the Streetwise young people’s project

Sexual health nurse at Lewisham primary care trust

Senior education officer at gay rights group Stonewall

Education consultant at Educari

Professor of health economics at Aberdeen University

Co-ordinator of the Sex Education Forum, National Children’s Bureau

Senior lecturer at Cambridge University’s faculty of education

Community member

School governor

Director of practice development at sexual health information service fpa

Advisor, Southwark children’s services

Member of the General Medical Council, non-executive director of NHS Islington
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06-18-2010, 02:40 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
Nice names to be held accountable for such tripe, this is the way to attack back!!! now if the peers and neighbors of all these individuals were to know they supported such and were given a copy of the paper it would quash the idea i'm sure quickly and put a different light on those involved in creating it.

too bad you didn't have mailing addy's or department mailing addressees to get them deluged in hate mail, maybe some powder ....Icon_biggrin some times natural selection needs a hand.
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Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

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06-25-2010, 04:19 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
You might think 5 is a tad bit young, however, just yesterday I read about a couple of 6-yr-old boys having sex under some playground equipment where counselors couldn't see them. They were taught what to do by an 8-yr-old. Authorities are trying to find out how he learned.

LEESBURG, Fla. -- Two 6-year-old boys were caught performing oral and anal sex at a day camp in Leesburg.

The mother of one of the boys told WESH 2 News that her 6-year old son came home describing oral and anal sex acts he took part in at the city-run summer camp.

She asked WESH 2 News to conceal her identity to protect her son.

"I was shocked, upset, concerned and worried as to where my son had learned this from," she said.

The incident occured under a piece of playground equipment, just large enough for the kids to get underneath and conceal what they were doing from counselors. Another camper noticed what was going on.

"[The counselors] were there all over the playground," said Deputy City Manager Jay Evans. "And they weren't clustered all in one area, they were dispersed all over the playground. It's hard to fathom how this happened."

Once counselors got wind of what was going on, Evans said they jumped into action.

"We immediately contacted law enforcement, we brought in the Department of Children and Families and the Children's Advocacy Center to see if we'd determine where this inappropriate contact originated," he said.

According to both 6-year-old boys, an 8-year-old boy at camp taught them what to do and this wasn't their first time.

"They believe that it happened between eight and 10 times over the course of three weeks," the mother said.

She said the camp counselors should have been watching the kids more closely.

Evans said investigators were looking to see where at least one of the children learned the conduct, but weren't able to determine that.

The city said it was aware of the sexual incident. City officials didn't dispute that it took place, and they said they have made some changes to prevent it from happening again.

All three children who were involved in the incident no longer attend camp, and the city has since boarded up all access under the playground equipment.

The city has also offered counseling to the families and training to the counselers so that they will know not to assume children are playing innocently, officials said. They will also be trained to keep a closer watch on the kids.

"It's very emotional, very unsettling," the mother said. "You know, you're entrusting your child to someone to take care of them and protect them."
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09-21-2010, 01:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2010, 01:37 PM by JazzRoc.)
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
Nik, you should have contacted the police. How are the police made aware otherwise?
The incidence of child molesting has remained static since time immackerel.
Social responsibility appears to be a variable, however.
It depends on at least a balance between the rational and the emotional.
I hope for its restoration.
09-22-2010, 03:05 AM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
There is a difference between what is just and what is right. This is pure garbage. I really don't know what I would have done in that situation, I have 2 boys of my own so I might have seen red and flown off the handle on this one. It could have gotten ugly but I think that nik did the right thing maybe not the just thing though so what are you going to do?

Problem = The Promotion of Lust Sex and Sex in Media, School and Culture.

It's quite the topic but Celtic Rebel does a good job of tackling it on his blog, radio show and in his films.

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Alex The Celtic Rebel exposes the gay paedophile agenda pushed by the entertainment media as a form of social engineering. If you're familiar with Alex's work, you'll find this to be informative, revealing and repulsive at the same time.

This programming is turning our kids into promiscuous whores and setting our kids for a world of hurt. I can hardly bear what is going on in this agenda to take ram this down the the throats of children and even in schools. Children have lost their childhood, and worse with the trauma imposed.

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Here is an orgy of threads, I'm not even going to start on the tracker porn vids.

Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity

Teach 'the pleasure of gay sex' to children as young as five, say researchers

Parents lose right over sex education

The Zombie Groupthink Mind: Philosophies on Social Constructs

Sex And My City Wilmington North Carolina by Katherine Bell Moore

German Government Publication Promotes Incestuous Paedophilia as Healthy Sex Ed

Sex Slavery in Japan

Video: NWO Mind Sex Inc
Scrubbed from the net Mexika posted it a few years ago, let me know if anyone has a copy.

Jewish Dominance In The Porn Industry

Mexican Journalist Risks Life To Expose Child Sex Rings

UN Child Sex Slave Scandals Continue

Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar” Is Promoting Child Porn in the Classroom

Sex Slavery Widespread in the US

The Birth Control Pill and 50 Years of Misery

Secrets of the CIA's Global Sex Slave Industry

Representative Cynthia McKinney Grills Rumsfeld on Dyncorp
Sex Rings, Missing Pentagon Trillions & 9/11 Wargames

Snuff porn in Brisbane Australia.. the Mossad link

Playboy Porn 'accidentally' played on children's TV for 2 hours

Internet Porn: Worse Than Crack?

Worse than Internet Porn: Scientists Have Discovered How To Use Nanoparticles To Remotely Control Behavior!

Do Parasites Control Your Sex Life? (This is insane!)

@nik - you know this but ..
You control how you feel about this, don't let anyone else guilt you or make you regret anything. You did the human thing.
There are no others, there is only us.
09-22-2010, 08:07 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
Thanks FT. I appreciate that you say that. i giv U rep plus 1 4 it wen the cite he giv me mor Smokin

Jazzocwhat do you think were the good points in having a control group called the police in this ?
03-30-2011, 12:02 PM,
RE: Pupils aged five should be taught all about sex: Watchdog's instruction to schools
have to say,well done nik. your right when you say whats the point going to the police, its like if you engage a burglar in your home and kick the shite out of him, you get done, how on earth is that right. i think,( and i'm not paranoid) that the government want to break us, make us so submissive that they can do say or put on us anything at all. the census is one point, but to make my point, about pedo's, you should all check out a story about holly greig, a down syndrome girl from aberdeenshire, has to be the most shocking disgusting story in this country for a long time and the types of people in power just makes u think that we're losing a battle about life itself. most people will do what their told by the powers that be, but something has to change or basically we're buggered, i don't have the answer, wish i did, just wish everyone could wake up to government abuse.

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