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its a name game
06-10-2010, 02:26 PM,
#16
RE: woohoo moderator makes one man anti-nazi pogrom shocker
(06-10-2010, 04:58 AM)itsaname Wrote: woohoo moderator makes one man anti-nazi pogrom shocker

wow

..like.........wow..just wow
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06-11-2010, 10:37 AM,
#17
RE: woohoo moderator makes one man anti-nazi pogrom shocker
(06-09-2010, 08:08 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: If you're gonna ban skelator, I'm leaving too.

thanks for the defense.

shit i don't believe in burning down houses or such shit either thats lefty wing propaganda to let guys like nik just shut us up and move us along...

and some of the religious would prob also get banned along with us nazi's (lol i bet he just knows msm hype bout them, and i'm not a nazi in the true sense just don't like watching the jews smear a good people, i'm also very pro Palestine does that make me a terrorist?) as they too see the jews as the problem....

the jews for education purposes worship the gods of the material, and that are now a days known as the anumaki, they introduced money and "civilization" to us shit enslaved us all is more like it! and the jews r the lever pullers in the nwo, they own the media, and censor knowledge, the other groups (royals Included) are just puppets, spoiled and privleged ones but still all the same....

and it has not been my "riker" philosophies that you most hate in general it has been my agreement with force on those who need a good cuff up side the head, too many people go through life unchecked and without respect for anything let alone another human! so if at least criminals had a bit of fear of braking the law, or of cops, our streets would be a safer place. I Know most r don't worry i know how bad crime really is and am not buying into hype. but i also know how i and hundreds of canadians (and were nice guys remember) think privately re cops and crime, and were the so called "sheeple "where we work and such.

part of my worry is that in the end our population will only be three groups maybe 4. the crack head/ retards, violent and beyond a nuisance. the sheeple who are all diabetic and just waiting to die that 90% of the crack-le (new term there lol) prey on making them all have to live in gated communities or live as victims with victim mentality, and the third those like us who say and tried to avoid either path. the fourth is a side division of the third with a diff drug then the first but they're the pious religious. This being said i do believe a cop should be like the kings guard of old with the power to use force if the citizen doesn't obey and co-operate in custody/ on encounter. i live by this i do not expect anything i myself do not do. cops up here have tazers, and i know it's a reality if i attack one to run or to avoid questioning they will taze me, if i get out of my car when they tell me not to then i may be tazed. i know the rules and so play in them and i have never (knock on wood) been tazed other then by a friend (the scientist in me!, and it's not that bad better by far then a bullet, but i guess nik needs to try both and then decide which is better being from a military background and suffering a friendly fire sit in the leg the bullet was way worse WAY!)

but yeah i think it's general board belief to be cool with letting people speak how they want, and for the real panzies is there not a ignore button!
the guy i used to know mentioned how some have had issues with irrational banning and how there not here, was one reason i'm not cool with most like sites, other then the kid with an issue re constitution i can't think of any other banns and i've been here a few months, i openly advise the site to others like me who don't like to be edited by left handed fools who r lucky to have the pow, hated that in the old MSN chat rooms!
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

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06-11-2010, 11:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-11-2010, 12:06 PM by ---.)
#18
RE: woohoo moderator makes one man anti-nazi pogrom shocker
(06-11-2010, 10:37 AM)Deathanyl Wrote: shit i don't believe in burning down houses or such shit either thats lefty wing propaganda to let guys like nik just shut us up and move us along...

No, that was another right wing thug who was boasting on the tracker about how his local town dealt with unwanted Jews.

It is just "lefty propaganda", Deathanyl. There was no guy on the tracker boasting about how they kicked the shit out of Jews that moved into their area, burnt down their houses and the firetrucks would drive to the scene real slow and the cops would harass them at every opportunity until they left the town. it was all just "lefty propaganda"..sure sure.There isn't a concerted effort for pocket groups of white separatists/nationalists to infiltrate this site at this time whatsoever. The staff would never pick up on such a thing anyhow.

Not propaganda, just reality and illustrative of the type of people coming here nowadays.

You're right however, I did "shut him up and move him along"


Quote:and some of the religious would prob also get banned along with us nazi's (lol i bet he just knows msm hype bout them

Yes, I live in East Germany - I only know about neo-nazism from what the MSM tells me, yes,that's right, it isn't like it is endemic here at all, how very perceptive of you.

Got to laugh when so many of these white right groups internationally are funded by powerful militant zionist groups to encourage anti-Islamic fever and for all intents and purposes act as like useful idiot style extensions to intel services anyhow.

I would never ban someone based on their religion. The social effects of Fascist ideology however, are like a cancer...and I know that because I live in east germany not because of the MSM. I opt to "believe" you when you say you are not a "true nazi" you maybe are more of a "nazi admirer" perhaps

Quote:but i guess nik needs to try both and then decide which is better being from a military background and suffering a friendly fire sit in the leg the bullet was way worse WAY!)
i ask you here just the once amiably, to please desist from making any more snide allusions to me being tasered or shot.
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06-12-2010, 12:12 AM,
#19
RE: its a name game
sigh...

I knew I'd regret defending his continued existence here - but free speech is free speech, right?

Quote:i ask you here just the once amiably, to please desist from making any more snide allusions to me being tasered or shot.

I don't believe that was a threat, I think it was more of a "I'm more experienced in the ways of the world than you are" thing... It's a meme he uses often to make himself feel superior. I do think that it's the type of thing that deserves closer attention though.

Quote:There isn't a concerted effort for pocket groups of white separatists/nationalists to infiltrate this site at this time whatsoever. The staff would never pick up on such a thing anyhow.

Not propaganda, just reality and illustrative of the type of people coming here nowadays.

I understand your worries about infiltration. I've seen it too. I just think that, if the board pays attention, it doesn't have to be handled by banning. Most of the time they can get debated into sanity or leaving, unless they're trolls that don't engage with others and basically use the board for the purpose of throwing up ignorant graffiti.

jmo...
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06-12-2010, 03:18 AM,
#20
RE: its a name game
(06-12-2010, 12:12 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: sigh...

I knew I'd regret defending his continued existence here - but free speech is free speech, right?

Quote:i ask you here just the once amiably, to please desist from making any more snide allusions to me being tasered or shot.

I don't believe that was a threat, I think it was more of a "I'm more experienced in the ways of the world than you are" thing... It's a meme he uses often to make himself feel superior. I do think that it's the type of thing that deserves closer attention though.

Quote:There isn't a concerted effort for pocket groups of white separatists/nationalists to infiltrate this site at this time whatsoever. The staff would never pick up on such a thing anyhow.

Not propaganda, just reality and illustrative of the type of people coming here nowadays.

I understand your worries about infiltration. I've seen it too. I just think that, if the board pays attention, it doesn't have to be handled by banning. Most of the time they can get debated into sanity or leaving, unless they're trolls that don't engage with others and basically use the board for the purpose of throwing up ignorant graffiti.

jmo...

i never said it was "a threat", i said it was "an allusion to" and that it was.

it is, to my mind, in the same slippery vein as something equally veiled as :

"drive home safely today and try not to get into any major accidents"

or

"hopefully a paedophile won't rape and kill your sister in a playground today"

neither could be classically construed as threats and yet they are two real examples of ALLUSIONS that people have made to others on this site.

Do you wish to continue this discussion as the advocate or would you prefer to let me politely insist Deathanyl refrains from further allusions to my being tasered or shot without having to jump to his defence further?

Personally I think reporting me to staff was enough in itself - I can't help but get the feeling that since I told you on skype I was voluntarily being assessed for Aspergers this year you seem to begin to second guess me all the time...perhaps you are ignorant to the subject and have an underlying concern that lead compromises someone's competence to moderate effectively... I do not know if you do or not but cut the constant second guessing out now, please.

as for KKK ppl who turn up boasting about beating the shit out of ppl and burning down their homes - you can try and debate them into sense or leaving if you wish, i will just keeping getting in their face and banning them..
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06-12-2010, 03:54 AM,
#21
RE: its a name game
Quote:Do you wish to continue this discussion as the advocate or would you prefer to let me politely insist Deathanyl refrains from further allusions to my being tasered or shot without having to jump to his defence further?

Personally I think reporting me to staff was enough in itself - I can't help but get the feeling that since I told you on skype I was voluntarily being assessed for Aspergers this year you seem to begin to second guess me all the time...perhaps you are ignorant to the subject and have an underlying concern that lead compromises someone's competence to moderate effectively... I do not know if you do or not but cut the constant second guessing out now, please.

as for KKK ppl who turn up boasting about beating the shit out of ppl and burning down their homes - you can try and debate them into sense or leaving if you wish, i will just keeping getting in their face and banning them..

Hey now...
First of all, if you're going to bring up personal skype conversations, you might want to do it over PM...

did you catch the jmo at the end of that last post? I'm no mod, my only position is to write and read... so that's all I can do. And that's what I did.

when I'm discussing deathanyl, feel free to check the interactions I've had with him, how seriously I take his posts, and how quickly I get on his case about being an ignorant twat... but as much as it pains me to say it in this case, he really doesn't seem to have stepped out of line.

I'm disgusted by Nazi's, Zionists, Ballheads, and militancy or proselytizing from any religious sect (among other ignorant people who I don't remember the names of.)

Now, I might not check out comments on the tracker much, but I don't have to...
after my first couple days using it, I found hardline, and figured that it wasn't worth my time over there. I may not get the full brunt of it because of that, but I view both portions as different aspects. If the trolls over there wanted anything more than the side of a truck to throw a burn on, they could do it here. They don't (mostly, from what I can tell over the last six months or so.)

Here, it seems like there's a different candor.

I never meant to insult you in my second guessing, if you can even call it that over my opinions being shared - I've been personally and inhumanly scrutinized for less than the things I raised questions about in regards to your actions, so I get the sensitivity, but WTF? Really?

By all means, I won't interrupt any further, I just wanted to let out the catch 22 I find myself in by advocating free speech.
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06-12-2010, 04:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-12-2010, 04:25 AM by ---.)
#22
RE: its a name game
(06-12-2010, 03:54 AM)h3rm35 Wrote:
Quote:Do you wish to continue this discussion as the advocate or would you prefer to let me politely insist Deathanyl refrains from further allusions to my being tasered or shot without having to jump to his defence further?

Personally I think reporting me to staff was enough in itself - I can't help but get the feeling that since I told you on skype I was voluntarily being assessed for Aspergers this year you seem to begin to second guess me all the time...perhaps you are ignorant to the subject and have an underlying concern that lead compromises someone's competence to moderate effectively... I do not know if you do or not but cut the constant second guessing out now, please.

as for KKK ppl who turn up boasting about beating the shit out of ppl and burning down their homes - you can try and debate them into sense or leaving if you wish, i will just keeping getting in their face and banning them..

Hey now...
First of all, if you're going to bring up personal skype conversations, you might want to do it over PM...

did you catch the jmo at the end of that last post? I'm no mod, my only position is to write and read... so that's all I can do. And that's what I did.

when I'm discussing deathanyl, feel free to check the interactions I've had with him, how seriously I take his posts, and how quickly I get on his case about being an ignorant twat... but as much as it pains me to say it in this case, he really doesn't seem to have stepped out of line.

I'm disgusted by Nazi's, Zionists, Ballheads, and militancy or proselytizing from any religious sect (among other ignorant people who I don't remember the names of.)

Now, I might not check out comments on the tracker much, but I don't have to...
after my first couple days using it, I found hardline, and figured that it wasn't worth my time over there. I may not get the full brunt of it because of that, but I view both portions as different aspects. If the trolls over there wanted anything more than the side of a truck to throw a burn on, they could do it here. They don't (mostly, from what I can tell over the last six months or so.)

Here, it seems like there's a different candor.

I never meant to insult you in my second guessing, if you can even call it that over my opinions being shared - I've been personally and inhumanly scrutinized for less than the things I raised questions about in regards to your actions, so I get the sensitivity, but WTF? Really?

By all means, I won't interrupt any further, I just wanted to let out the catch 22 I find myself in by advocating free speech.

h3rm3s,
i don't think it is a "sensitivity" issue - i asked deathanyl not to talk about me being shot or tasered as it malign in import - you had something to say about that - by asking him to desist it is a free speech issue?

We tried that already and within a week idiots were wishing the siblings of others to be raped and killed and it caused a whole furore.

Quote:Hey now...
First of all, if you're going to bring up personal skype conversations, you might want to do it over PM...

I think I am at total liberty to recant anything I might have said...I am not divulging ANY personal info anyone else may have said and I would never do so either. So I don't even see the issue you are raising here about my supposed lack of confidentiality - I don't think it is fair to suggest I am slack with private information or unaware of such issues because I happen to mention something I myself said which is only personal info about me actually.

the tracker is more than Hardline and I am glad he is there tbh.

no catch 22.

It was unfair to ban Deathanyl and I immediately reversed the ban and apologised the next time I logged on - you were right to take issue with it and I applaude your Voltarian spirit of defence of him, however, you are still doing it and it isn't necessary - if I ask him to not allude to me being shot or tasered that is not really the same thing and there was no need for you to continue to act as his advocate and explain to me why it is a free speech issue, imo.
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06-12-2010, 04:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-12-2010, 05:20 AM by h3rm35.)
#23
RE: its a name game
I wasn't claiming a lack of confidentiality at all...

I know the tracker is more than hardline, I just figured I didn't want to wade into the fray in the comments very much over there if there was more direct conversation over here.

No, I don't think people should be alluding to violence towards members, I've said as much in this thread, but I voiced my opinion, as I've dealt with him (deathanyl) more than most here, and it didn't seem threatening IMO.

yeah, he admitted to being a nazi sympathizer, but I was the one who actually called him out on that. If it weren't for me doing that in a frame of mind where I assumed he'd still be OK to be here after that, I doubt you'd even know for sure or be this upset now.
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06-12-2010, 04:45 AM,
#24
RE: its a name game
wtf?

sensitivity issue

upset

skype calls and personal info

etc etc

H3rm3s wtf??

you already said you didn't think it was a threat and I already said i never said it was a threat it was an allusion.

it's 5.23am in the morning here, i have a radio show on and i am drinking a cup of coffee and getting ready -i am not upset or whatever emotional picture of someone with butthurt feewings you seem intent to lay on me right now.

not upset - not worked up - is it okay for you? lol

I didn't ban deathanyl due to any discoveries of nazi sympathy emerging from your own interactions with him. I banned him as he is an out and out social darwinist and i am oppose to the mentality and felt like getting a shot in, at the time, as the place is getting ripe for them apparently.

"No, I don't think people should be alluding to violence towards members, I've said as much in this thread, but I voiced my opinion, as I've dealt with him (deathanyl) more than most here, and it didn't seem threatening IMO."

no, as i keep trying to make clear - i NEVER said it was threatening or a threat - I said it was an allusion and if you say it was intended to be without a dose of menace implicit to the imagery then I would disagree with you.

it didn't however "upset" me.

If I wished for you and other people to consider the image of you being shot or tasered there is a certain dynamic to that and the result of how the statement adds to the interplay of the board. if you disagree with that that is up to you and your choice.
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06-12-2010, 04:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-12-2010, 04:57 AM by h3rm35.)
#25
RE: its a name game
ok... I get it.

btw, this wasn't there when I posted:
Quote:It was unfair to ban Deathanyl and I immediately reversed the ban and apologised the next time I logged on - you were right to take issue with it and I applaude your Voltarian spirit of defence of him, however, you are still doing it and it isn't necessary - if I ask him to not allude to me being shot or tasered that is not really the same thing and there was no need for you to continue to act as his advocate and explain to me why it is a free speech issue, imo.
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06-12-2010, 04:58 AM,
#26
RE: its a name game
ok. ...and in terms of any personal info i give out relating to myself - if a detractor wishes to use it to try and undermine me, that's fine. i can handle it.
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06-12-2010, 06:07 AM,
#27
RE: its a name game
(06-12-2010, 04:54 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: btw, this wasn't there when I posted:
Quote:It was unfair to ban Deathanyl and I immediately reversed the ban and apologised the next time I logged on - you were right to take issue with it and I applaude your Voltarian spirit of defence of him, however, you are still doing it and it isn't necessary - if I ask him to not allude to me being shot or tasered that is not really the same thing and there was no need for you to continue to act as his advocate and explain to me why it is a free speech issue, imo.

Today, 04:17 AM (This post was last modified: Today 04:25 AM by nik.)


Today, 04:32 AM (This post was last modified: Today 05:20 AM by h3rm35.)

.... maybe you just didn't see it? it isn't so important though
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10-31-2010, 12:52 PM,
#28
RE: woohoo moderator makes one man anti-nazi pogrom shocker
I was cleaning up some old drafts and came across this insanity -- not sure what I was thinking exactly, really don't want to open old wounds but same applies to today - maybe some reflection with cooler heads can be acheived to not only make this online venue but inject others with a bit of tolerance and perspective.

Was someone being naughty in advocating provocative violent action? If so I don't want nuts/provies on the site.

Free speech is a tightrope subject at times so when in doubt consider this example:

You own a karaoke bar. A bulky stranger shows up threatening to blow up this and that and acts all nazi. Our stranger soon starts to come by every Sunday after watching his usual 3 hours of The Cartoon Network.

He grabs the mic and does an act he is very proud of singing the Nazi hymm, 99 Luftballons sometimes two or even three times a night. He's not the most talented vocalist and somehow ends up mangling at least a few lines of the lyrics during each performance. Sometimes worse than others. Other times he goes completely AWOL from the song entirely and just preaches disjointed rants on various topics that detract from the desired mood.

The fellow patrons suggest are initially amused and rib him to get him to desist from his tangents and urge him to try singing a different tune. He takes offence and adds a few choice lewd gestures to his performances. An older couple that were loyal to the bar for years The bouncer glares at him with raised eyebrow accentuating his disapproval and assumes that serves as a warning.

He gets comfortable pulls up a chair and he is still brings his friend. They take a traditional shit on your bar exercising their freedom of expression. You let it sit on the bar out of respect to his rights to and it attracts flies. Pretty soon all of the decent customers leave and the bar is a shell of it's former self with nothing left of it's old but memories and old photos.

And here is a metaphor:

You are what you eat, and don't shit out. Same applies here.

B the W the mods, now that I have seen the back room are super considerate of all involved here but there is a black and white line to keep shit in check. They (we) see this as not their forum and tracker but ours and are vigilant about keeping it that way.
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