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cause of powerful spiritual experiences from people “brought back from the dead"?
06-02-2010, 02:02 AM,
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cause of powerful spiritual experiences from people “brought back from the dead"?
May 30, 2010
That’s not the afterlife – it’s a brainstorm
Near-death experiences may be caused by a cascade of electrical activity in the dying brain

DOCTORS believe they may have found the cause of the powerful spiritual experiences reported by people “brought back from the dead”.

A study of the brainwaves of dying patients showed a surge of electrical activity in the moments before their lives ended.

The researchers suggest this surge may be the cause of near-death experiences, the mysterious medical phenomena in which patients who have been revived when close to death report sensations such as walking towards a bright light or a feeling that they are floating above their body.

Many people experience the sensation as a religious vision and treat it as confirmation of an afterlife. However, the scientists behind the new research believe that is wrong.

“We think the near-death experiences could be caused by a surge of electrical energy released as the brain runs out of oxygen,” said Lakhmir Chawla, an intensive care doctor at George Washington University medical centre in Washington.

“As blood flow slows down and oxygen levels fall, the brain cells fire one last electrical impulse. It starts in one part of the brain and spreads in a cascade and this may give people vivid mental sensations.”

Many revived patients have reported being bathed in bright light or suffused with a sense of peace as they start to walk into a light-filled tunnel. A few even say they experienced visions of religious figures such as Jesus or Muhammad or Krishna, while others describe floating above their own deathbed, observing the scene.

In one of the most famous cases, in 1991, Pam Reynolds, an American singer, reported watching the top of her own skull being removed by surgeons before she moved into a bright glowing realm, including detailed accounts of the surgery and the conversations by her surgeons.

If Chawla is right, however, such experiences have a biological explanation rather than a metaphysical one. In the research he used an electroencephalograph (EEG), a device that measures brain activity, to monitor seven terminally ill people.

The medical purpose of the devices was to make sure that the patients, suffering from conditions such as cancer and heart failure, were sufficiently sedated to be out of pain. However, Chawla noticed that moments before death the patients experienced a burst in brainwave activity lasting from 30 seconds to three minutes.

The activity was similar to that seen in people who are fully conscious, even though the patients appeared asleep and had no blood pressure. Soon after the surge abated, they were pronounced dead.

Chawla’s research, published in the Journal of Palliative Medicine, is thought to be the first to suggest that near-death experiences have a particular physiological cause. Although it describes only seven patients, he says he has seen the same things happening “at least 50 times” as people die.

Other scientific studies suggest that 15%-20% of people who go through cardiac arrest and clinical death report lucid, well-structured thought processes, reasoning, memories and sometimes detailed recall of events during their encounter with death.

In Britain, such research has prompted the launch of the Awareness During Resuscitation study, known as Aware, led by Sam Parnia, an intensive care physician at Cornell Medical Center in New York, who is also a researcher at Southampton University's school of medicine.

Parnia believes Chawla’s research is interesting, but treats its conclusions with caution, pointing out that there is no proof that the electrical surge observed by Chawla is linked to a near-death experience.

“Since the patients all died, we cannot tell what they were experiencing,” he said.

Parnia and his colleagues are interviewing 700 Britons who have had cardiac arrests and been brought back to life. The aim is to study all the mental consequences of cardiac arrests, ranging from near-death experiences to long-term cognitive disabilities.

“We see death as a moment, but actually it is a process and one which modern medicine can often reverse,” said Parnia. “Death starts when the heart stops beating, but we can intervene and bring them back to life, sometimes even after 3-4 hours when people are kept very cold.

“It could be that a far higher proportion of people have near-death experiences but just don’t remember them.”

Those who do remember such phenomena, however, can find their lives transformed. One Dutch study, published in 2001 in The Lancet, the medical journal, looked at 344 cardiac arrest victims, finding that 18% of them underwent near-death experiences.

The researchers followed surviving patients for several years, finding that those who had had a near-death experience became happier, more altruistic, less afraid of death and less materialistic.

Chawla says the study is an important first step in understanding near-death experiences but is now planning further research using much more advanced EEG machines to see if he can confirm a link between the observed surge in brain activity and patients’ experiences.
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06-02-2010, 03:23 AM,
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RE: cause of powerful spiritual experiences from people “brought back from the dead"?
This really makes me want to hunt down Flatliners. I haven't seen that in years.
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06-02-2010, 03:34 AM,
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you can undercut it as a hollywood fiasaco, but try to challenge it directly.

I'm not against you on this one, I'd just like to see some refutation that isn't based in scripture-induced myth.

make this a serious thread, please...
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06-02-2010, 03:57 AM,
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And a surge of electricity potentially "creating" the NDE means the NDE is therefore "fake" because why?

I just don't really follow how the premise works - "aha! the NDE is caused by a surge of electricity in the brain maybe, therefore the NDE has no true meaning other than as being a fluke consequence of this electric surge" it's faulty rationale imo

Isn't there a flood of DMT as well?
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06-02-2010, 04:06 AM,
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RE: cause of powerful spiritual experiences from people “brought back from the dead"?
Science is yet one more religion, to be sure...

does a flood of triptamines make the experience false? do all those that have gone beyond this veil equate to schizophrenics, and if they do, what does that mean?
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06-02-2010, 04:28 AM,
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I read about this years ago. It was also linked to spiritual and UFO abduction experiences.
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06-02-2010, 04:31 AM,
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(06-02-2010, 04:28 AM)yeti Wrote: I read about this years ago. It was also linked to spiritual and UFO abduction experiences.

linkage?
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06-02-2010, 05:14 AM,
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agreed with yeti this is old hat... i recall reading bout this debunk for after life at least a decade ago.

and who knows, according to some religions not all humans have a soul, only a chosen few. maybe just some see the light and what of those who arn't goin any where or goin some where scary, do you think they'd be telling researchers bout it? end of day it's a decision if you believe in a soul or not caus if you don't it's easy to believe the brain has one last zipity do dah, if you believe in the after life then perhaps it's easier to believe in a light of god and the after life...

but unlike some mysteries we will never know on this one.
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06-02-2010, 06:06 AM,
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I think we have all heard the claims before, there's probably some new element to the findings than just rehashing the research in exactly the samemanner
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06-02-2010, 06:08 AM,
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(06-02-2010, 04:31 AM)h3rm35 Wrote:
(06-02-2010, 04:28 AM)yeti Wrote: I read about this years ago. It was also linked to spiritual and UFO abduction experiences.
linkage?

Yes.
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06-02-2010, 01:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2010, 01:43 PM by crystal.)
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Yes its electricity, all people have energy which is electricity like.
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06-02-2010, 04:19 PM,
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more interesting re electricity and your brain....

adding just .05 volts of extra juice to it has been proven to open area of the brain recover lost memories, and enhance though process, a simple set up was first tested by former German scientists in the 70's in the states, also old news but interesting and i'v heard little to nothing outside military apps which are furthering this experimentation.
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

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06-02-2010, 09:03 PM,
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RE: cause of powerful spiritual experiences from people “brought back from the dead"?
There was a movie based on this done in 1983 called BRAINSTORM with Christopher Walken and Natalie Wood. There is a specific scene in the movie where the guy lives long enough to attach the helmet or glasses or whatever they were using to his head just as he was dying and it recorded everything. I am sure it was mostly fiction but it was supposed to be based on a real experiment that took place.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085271/plotsummary
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06-03-2010, 05:49 AM,
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RE: cause of powerful spiritual experiences from people “brought back from the dead"?
"Man," I cried, "how ignorant art thou in thy pride of wisdom!" Mary Shelley Frankenstein 1818
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