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Will you sign up for a new ID card?
05-07-2009, 10:25 AM,
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Will you sign up for a new ID card?
not sure if the bbc cherry picked these replies,the sheep seem to love and want them now!

Will you sign up for a new ID card?

Manchester is to be the first city where people can sign up for a new ID card, ministers are to confirm. Will you sign up for one of the new cards?

Yes, I have no problems with the introduction of an ID card, but I am an honest man with little to hide from. I also believe those that have a problem with it, is because they want to hide from society.
Len Gilbank, Eastbourne


I certainly will. I believe it is a necessity to have one. Not everyone has a driving license or a passport so how are they to identify themselves. I believe those who don't want an ID card or are paranoid about it have something to hide or are planning to have something to hide.
Tony Caban, UK


I am all for ID cards so long as they don't have to be carried all the time. If they are used for providing proof of identity and proof of age where this is necessary (claiming benefits, withdrawing money from a bank, buying cigarettes and alcohol etc)I don't see what the problem is.
Jim, UK


I've read quite a few comments on here, and i think alot of people are simply just scared. The fact is our government can already find out everything about you without an ID card. Imagine replacing Chip and Pin with ID + Bio verification. While that would not be around for the near future, and nor would it be unbreakable. To me this is something we need to do, and need to do right.
Jim, Winchester


I will certainly sign up for an ID card. Like many others in these comments who have lived abroad and had an ID card, I had no problem with it and found it very useful.

In addition, its £30 and lets you travel in Europe - that's a lot cheaper than a replacement passport at £72! The information held is just the same as what is held for the passport today which is pretty basic.
Donal, Manchester


I used to carry one in the Royal Navy, so have no objections to carrying one now. I do however object to having to pay for it. Issuing through shops etc is just another one of these privatisation schemes to allow certain groups to make a small fortune. All of the data should be kept in purely Government hands and made available to the public on request at no cost to them. Will these cards be secure? I doubt it.
Martin W Prior, Poole, Dorset


I have no problems with it whatsoever. I actually think they are long overdue. If you have nothing to hide,then why not have I.D. cards.
D.Summerfield, Shrewsbury


I have no objection to an ID card. Combating terrorism sounds extremely unlikely. But I'd like a proper ID card - one that be "bound" to other data services so I could use it to logon to work computers; ID myself for signing e-mail; access my bank; prove I have a driving licence; insurance; act as a CRB reference for working with children; supply my health records to a hospital etc. etc i.e. one ID card not just another one.
Ian Cunningham, Westbury, UK

I think that these ID cards are an very good idea, I would be willing to get one however I think the price is too high for the current economic times
Robert Jones, Beverley

Other Europeans have them so why shouldn't we? Yes as someone said, we have and paid for passports, but they're too big to carry around whereas ID cards are much smaller and easier to carry just like a credit card. If you have a driving licence then I agree you don't really need an ID card but I personally still will have one.

If you're one of the members of public that thinks compulsory ID cards are a bad idea, then you usually have a reason for that, like you're a criminal and you have something to hide.

I and many other people back this idea as it will also make it a lot easier for the police to do their job, as it would mean it would be harder for people to lie about their personality.
Samuel Baker, Epsom, Surrey

The sheep will sweep us off the cliff we cannot stop them:(

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05-07-2009, 08:34 PM,
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Will you sign up for a new ID card?
Now the sheep in the UK are stunningly complacent, but this reads like budget PR firm.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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05-07-2009, 08:52 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2009, 08:58 PM by ---.)
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Quote:I and many other people back this idea as it will also make it a lot easier for the police to do their job, as it would mean it would be harder for people to lie about their personality.

LMAO

repeat x100: nothing to hide = nothing to fear. now commence drooling and subordination.


In terms of Orwellian state sanctions, one that I propose is compulsory 'peoples' history' courses for all dullards.

Clearly the UK is rated too high on these lists:

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The second one makes he wonder who exactly Pol POt met while he was studying in France but I digress..
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05-08-2009, 12:10 AM,
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Will you sign up for a new ID card?
they won't have to adverise rfid in the forehead, people will come begging for it...
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05-08-2009, 12:15 AM,
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Will you sign up for a new ID card?
Quote:they won't have to adverise rfid in the forehead, people will come begging for it...

They'd need to put them on the catwalk first.
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05-13-2009, 10:20 AM,
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Will you sign up for a new ID card?
Your e-mails criticising the planned introduction of ID cards:

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I'm only against ID cards on two counts - security, which this government is currently useless at and cost. At a time when we're supposed to be 'tightening out collective belts' why is the government squandering billions on something that will have no effect on fraud or terrorism?
Duncan, Stirling

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I have been brought up where it is possible (not compulsory) to have an ID card. To me it represented a useless piece of ID since I own a passport. Also, the ID cards we had did not carry any biometric information, and it should stay that way. ID can be lost/stolen hence I prefer to keep my passport at home unless I plan on doing something that requires ID. Does that make me a criminal? I don't think so.
PG, London

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This government, and our current bunch of inept civil servants, have demonstrated time and time again that they cannot be trusted to store our data securely. ID cards will not reduce terrorism. The current level of fraud is far more preferable to the damage massive ID theft could do following a security breach in a National ID database.
John Robson, Solihull

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While I can see the pros and cons of the ID cards, one thing that occurred to me - what happens to those who simply cannot afford the card (i.e. those on benefit/pensions)?? This could lead to an underclass of "no-bodies" who will not be able to obtain any services (getting money from the bank, seeing the doctor, getting benefits etc.), which will ONLY be available on showing your ID (it will come.....)
David J, Leeds, UK

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It's the database that lies behind ID cards that I object to. Why does any government need a centralised database with 49 pieces of my personal information on it? Why should I trust them with it? Who will they make it available to? And how useful will it be while it's not compulsory? Jacqui Smith has yet to persuade me of a single benefit of giving up my privacy to the state.
Michelle Graham, Birmingham, UK

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I was born in France and ID cards are allegedly voluntary there. However, if you are not able to produce one on the spot you can be taken and held in custody for 48 hours. And of course I don't mind having to feel paranoid walking to the corner shop making sure I have my ID card on me. At least would be safe in the knowledge criminals would never ever dare to create fake ones.
Anthony, London, UK

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I can't remember the last time I was asked to prove who I was so why should I pay for something I don't need. I have lots of alternative methods to prove who I am.
Brendan, Knebworth

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I will not be applying for an ID card. I remain unconvinced with HMG's case, particularly as they have a proven track record of hopelessly budgeting costs which turn out to be many times original and revised estimates.
Andrew Mcdermott, Lymm, Cheshire

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On one hand I have nothing to hide but on the other hand I already have a passport, driving licence and about 100 other forms of ID so why would I need another card? I would also be concerned about the security of information as we know this government is prone to exposing confidential information in front of the TV cameras or leaving it lying on trains.
Mandy, Bath

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I already have 3 forms of government ID - my passport, birth certificate and driving licence. I do not want to own another one. The government can already find out pretty much everything about me that it wants to, so why do I need an ID card? Most of my travel is outside the EU, so the travel benefits don't affect me as I'll need a passport anyway. Exactly where is the benefit to me?
K.E., Leeds

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Really don't see why anyone would willingly pay for these when they don't have to. What benefits does it bring? Anyone could just get a provisional driving license which does exactly the same thing only it has a use, whether you actually end up driving or not.
Heather, Nottingham

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I'm sorry but I just don't understand the logic behind this ID card scheme, what extra security does it give us that a passport or driving license doesn't? Unless it is meant to replaced all other ID's such as Passports/driving licenses (which would be a benefit I guess) I just can't see the point.
S Wallace, Essex, UK

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Firstly, I have nothing to hide and I am not a terrorist so why do I need an ID card? Secondly, I give my details and personal information to whom I choose not because I am ordered to do so by an authoritarian Government. When it becomes compulsory I will break the law because I won't be having one.
James, Essex

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Absolutely not. Gathering information about every person into a single database (and it's the database which is the real issue, not the card itself) means putting a tool of totalitarianism into the hands of the state; never a sensible move. We are told it will never be used in such a way, but, even assuming for a second that I trust the current government as far as I could throw the Statue of Liberty, they're not going to be in power forever, and should an even more corrupt bunch take office we'll have no protection from them because we'll already have handed them all the tools they need.
Adrian Ogden, Reading

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I will not have a ID card for as long as it is legal to do so. I think the whole scheme is just a complete waste of money and an inpingement upon my privacy and human rights. This government has shown itself to be out of touch with the public and this is another example of them trying to impose unworkable top down solutions to things that are not broken.
David Vincent, London

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It is not the ID card that is the risk; it is the database behind it. Government databases have been shown to leak like sieves. It would be as sensible for me to post all my personal details on HYS as to trust the government to keep them safe all in one convenient place. The idea is a really stupid waste of money invented by a set of dangerous control freaks.
David, Wantage UK

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I will never want an ID card which holds data, or where a database can hold such data. It is not necessary. If you have an Oyster card for London Transport, they know your name, address and travel patterns. It is not necessarily the government alone that we have to worry about holding our data, but when they lose it or have it stolen.

We do not need all of this data being held in one place. We should not permit this.
David, Nottingham

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I have nothing to fear from an ID card but even so I have no intention of applying for one as I see little benefit.

More to the point, the Government needs to wake up to the fact that irrespective of their case for ID cards (which is not proven in any case) the country simply can't afford them at the moment.
Seffrid, Hampshire

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No. ID cards are part of a much larger picture, RFID chips injected under the skin will be next! You think I am joking? Do your research and learn the truth. Do not place your trust in the government or the media, they do not work in the peoples' best interests.
Spencer Dascombe, Milton Keynes

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It seems to me like Jacqui Smith read 1984 by George Orwell and thought "Thats a ruddy good idea".

The idea of the government being able to keep tabs on me, when I haven't done anything wrong is repulsive. On top of the potential for abuse, comes the very real possibility that they could be exploited by criminals to gather information about me and use that information to rob me or worse.

Alongside this I think it is a huge invasion of Human rights to force people to carry an item that details their lives and is both insensitive and ridiculously controlling.

I do not want to live in a society where I have to fear the government, yet this scheme is the first step along the road to an authoritarian, dictatorship.

No, I will not be using an ID card and never will until it becomes a compulsary item, at which point I may well leave the country.
Tom, Cheltenham

People in Manchester give their views on ID cards

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There is no way that I will be paying for an ID card out of principle when there is no guarantee that the government won't just go and lose the data as they manage to do with everything else. I also entirely object to paying £60 to receive absolutely nothing in return. If Labour want it, the Labour Party will pay. Oh, I forgot, they can't as all the unions are deserting them under the "leadership" of Brown!
Chris, Exeter

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We already have ID cards - they're called passports. As far as I can see from the plans, the ID cards will just duplicate our existing passports thus giving more opportunities for fraud whilst providing no additional benefits.
Jo Wiltshire, London, UK

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With some trepidation I started to read people's thoughts about the Manchester pilot scheme. It didn't take me long to realise my fears were totally misplaced. The vast majority of comments are against this wretched ID card. Thank goodness for common sense; a pity the government is deaf and blind to our feelings. I told my MP, Alan Milburn, about my objections to ID cards ages ago. I then received a large and very glossy booklet from a Government department that did absolutely nothing at all to make me change my mind. In this column of responses, only one person has mentioned George Orwell's book "1984". Read it, everyone, read it! If you haven't already done so, that is.
Ken Hill, Darlington, UK

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They are a complete waste of money, will do nothing to fight crime or terrorism.

They will however create a new industry - that of providing fake cards. They will be popular with some forms of criminal. Terrorists, however, will carry on with genuine IDs, like the terrorists in 9/11 in the USA or 7/7 in London!

As an IT professional, I will avoid them. If I am eventually compelled to have one, I hope I will be able to keep it locked up at home to stop it being stolen or damaged...
Scott, UK

The whole scheme is a gross infrimgement of our civil liberties. The data provided will not do anything to prevent fraud, terrorism or crime. A small card will not stop a determined criminal or terrorist.

There is also a clear cost implication, I wonder how many people would be willing to pay £200 each for something that is of no real value to anyone.
Ian, Sheffield, UK

In a word No. Government agencies have proved time and time again that they are incapable of keeping sensitive data safe. It will only be a matter of time before you hear of people's ID cards being cloned and the consequences will be a lot worse than your bank account being cleared out.
Nicole, Chatham

I simply cannot believe that the public is expected to entrust its personal data to high street retailers - what next? Letting Tescos take our biometric readings at the checkouts..?? Absolutely ludicrous..! Where are we supposed to make use of ID cards if we already have passports..? I cannot see any benefit or point in the scheme at all.
Graeme Burslem, Ipswich, Suffolk

To say that you have nothing to fear from ID cards if you have done nothing wrong is horrendous. I was born in the UK. I am a UK citizen. I have never committed a crime. I do not posess a passport because I choose not to travel abroad. If I did not drive I would not have a driving licence. Is the government saying I would not therefore have a right to exist peacefully and legally in my own country if I won't have an ID card therefore making me a criminal by default?>
Elizabeth, Pembrokeshire

look to the bottom half of the page, dont blame the punters, blame the bbc for not mixing up the comments between for and against.
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