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Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
04-06-2012, 11:56 AM,
#16
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
YYYYEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!

(Canada too)
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12-10-2012, 02:14 AM,
#17
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
I'm not sure if things are different in the US, but here in Canada when you get a job you sign a tax form so that income tax is deducted directly from your employer and given to the government. As such, you can't "not pay income tax" per say. The only thing you can do is not file the yearly income tax report. This may, or may not, according to the adjustment force you to give more income tax to government. But, the bulk is already gone.

Thus, this leaves very few options. The most significant solution (the one that will prevent government from collecting) is not to agree to work in a conventional employee-employer type job. After all, if we’re really going to do this we need find alternative solutions, and working (a job) is an important piece of the puzzle. There are many reasons for not hold a conventional job besides depriving an irresponsible government from money. For example, not agreeing to participate in a system that will lie to, or hurt others (physically, mentally, or spiritually) are also a good reasons. Salary size is equally important, the less you earn the less you give.

Then there is also tax on services and items (like certain types of food). This is also another form of participation in the system. We can choose wisely where our money goes.

Bartering and “working under the table” are also good options.
IMO, if we had a financially and morally responsible government I’d be happy to contribute. But, as things stand, I can’t afford to play their game, and however I can sabotage the sh*tstem is acceptable as long as it doesn’t negatively affect other spiritual warriors.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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12-27-2012, 06:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-27-2012, 06:24 AM by macfadden.)
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
A massive tax strike would definitely get the attention of the elites but it would have to be well organized and would require a sizable portion of the population to take part. It would require a lot of commitment and sacrifice by a very large number of people in order to be effective in gaining meaningful concessions from the establishment. But unless you are some kind of a messiah martyr determined to make a noble but ultimately meaningless sacrifice it is extremely ill advised to just stop paying your taxes without having that mass of protestors backing your play by doing likewise.

In order to gain the support of a large cross section of the population it would have to be made clear that the taxes were being withheld as a means of protest to achieve government reform and not to simply get rid of taxes and government. If you're about the latter then you will be dismissed as a crank and completely ignored by virtually everyone in society.
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01-02-2013, 03:44 AM,
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
You know, I am new here, but this idea has often gone through my mind. Along with the idea that we the people just start ignoring the government, and start just taking care of each other. We could work out a new money system of trade and just stop using Federal Reserve Notes entirely. Of course, this would take an awful lot of cooperation among most of the people, and with what the media is doing to our minds, and what the politicians are doing to set us against one another, this is a challenging proposition. It would take most of us waking up to the reality. I know a lot of people who have, amazingly, and I keep meeting more, which is more amazing, since I work at a public school and I hardly get out at all. There is hope.
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12-13-2013, 10:18 PM,
#20
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
Here in Texas I've met some people who don't have Social Security Numbers, home school, don't have bank accounts, etc.

They do this because of God, and what they beLIEve Jesus'sREAL message was...

A guy tried to explain all this to me, and while I think their need to dis-CON-neck to the government, may be a good thing, I'm not sure the community they are creating will expand to great numbers if they use Scripture as a point of demarcation. Logic, compassion, observations and common sense should be enough to know what needs to be done...

Check it all!

http://www.hisholychurch.info/study/gods/cog3cvc.php
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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12-13-2013, 11:06 PM,
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
(12-13-2013, 10:18 PM)Watchdog Wrote: Here in Texas I've met some people who don't have Social Security Numbers, home school, don't have bank accounts, etc.

Those people live down the street from me. As you've probably discovered, they tend to be nice people as long as you don't argue with them, which is futile anyway. Smile
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12-14-2013, 12:03 AM,
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
(12-13-2013, 11:06 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(12-13-2013, 10:18 PM)Watchdog Wrote: Here in Texas I've met some people who don't have Social Security Numbers, home school, don't have bank accounts, etc.

Those people live down the street from me. As you've probably discovered, they tend to be nice people as long as you don't argue with them, which is futile anyway. Smile

I tend not to argue, but listen. Heck, I've traveled this far so I may as well get the feeling of the place, rather than impose my own. Having said that, they really really really wonder what kind of person I am... Most have never gone anywhere outside of Texas, and have no clue how I could of been to Arizona, California, and all over Canada without a car, money or a bank account.

I'm still amazed that the owner gave me a 12 gauge shotgun to sleep with in the guest cabin in back of his property!? I guess that them tote'n southern cowboys don't really have trust issues at all! Or, I guess as long as they think I'm going to help protect their property from strangers I'm ok. But... I am the stranger??? LOL

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Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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12-14-2013, 02:37 PM,
#23
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
I think Texas culture is more compassionate towards transients because there is a long history of having to travel for employment. Many people heard stories about their grandparents traveling to California Grapes-of-Wrath style to pick fruit. The "two weeks on" thing roughnecking on off-shore rigs and "Dad" living in Saudi Arabia has been a feature since the 70's.

We are accustomed to seeing Mexicans traveling around for work. Hurricanes have always created employment booms you had to travel to enjoy. International ports create transportation jobs that take you away from home. Few families have been here more than four generations.
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02-12-2014, 01:30 AM,
#24
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
Stop paying taxes I'm all for, but building a new government I'm not to sure about.

Couldn't we co-create smaller community-centered (almost tribal) forms to organize ourselves? And then, when needed trade between these communities. I don't see how replacing an overarching machine (gov) with another one will yield better results. Not unless every human on this planet are struck by a higher conscious vibration that rids us of evil doing.

I say, stop playing taxes, start small communities based on generous giving with people having a wide range of skill sets, and then meet often to discuss current and important community affairs.

Sort of like how it happens in the Rainbow family of living light, where we manage to create short-term communities that share, and sustain themselves (and sometimes thousands of us) in a sort of like consensus decision making process, where we all overstand that we need to survive for several days (food, water, heat, security, love, etc).

Perhaps humans are not ready yet, at a large scale, to get rid of government, but when we are we'll need to allocate our energy to co-create small scale sustainable (or semi) communities, which includes keeping our money for our own needs (not that of bureaucrat employees who are overpaid and spend on evil doing programs that serve greed).

So I say: Let's NOT start a new government!
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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02-12-2014, 04:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-12-2014, 04:55 PM by CharliePrime.)
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
(02-12-2014, 01:30 AM)Watchdog Wrote: ...the Rainbow family of living light, where we manage to create short-term communities...

Wait. Have you hooked up with some Rainbows for the spring?

I thought you were returning to Canukland via the midwestern U.S.
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02-12-2014, 08:17 PM,
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
(02-12-2014, 04:55 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(02-12-2014, 01:30 AM)Watchdog Wrote: ...the Rainbow family of living light, where we manage to create short-term communities...

Wait. Have you hooked up with some Rainbows for the spring?

I thought you were returning to Canukland via the midwestern U.S.

Well, I'm not to sure what I'll be doing in a few weeks. I'm currently doing a work-exchange on a farm in north east Texas, but I have little to no money (although the owner has promised I'd work for odd jobs just to get enough to continue my travels), and because it's darn cold outside I'm not prepared to hit the road moneyless.

No I'm not going back to Canada. I don't know if I ever will! I feel there is so much to see and do, and if I go back to my old life I'll be settling for less and not doing amazing things.

I am in contact with the Rainbow family in Florida (the Peace fleet) and I may have an opportunity to learn how to sail and sail somewhere for free, in exchange for helping the community out with my labor. But nothing is certain for now.

I can tell you this: every night I send hours thinking about what the hell I should do. On one side FEAR is telling me to get a job, earn money and do like everyone else, but the other side is screaming do something amazing!

But no money plus cold = fear.

?!
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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02-12-2014, 11:39 PM,
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RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
Fear not. I've been in Texas for many years. Beautiful warm days will start randomly popping up about a week from now.

I spent last week on Phoenix, Arizona. Weather was great. I was shocked Monday when I rolled into San Antonio at how cold it was. This will not last.

Sailing the seas sounds awesome, but I still think you should spend some time around Austin while you are here. Spring flowers bring out the happiness in everyone there. It's a good time to be there.
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02-14-2014, 12:34 AM,
#28
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
(02-12-2014, 11:39 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: Fear not. I've been in Texas for many years. Beautiful warm days will start randomly popping up about a week from now.

I spent last week on Phoenix, Arizona. Weather was great. I was shocked Monday when I rolled into San Antonio at how cold it was. This will not last.

Sailing the seas sounds awesome, but I still think you should spend some time around Austin while you are here. Spring flowers bring out the happiness in everyone there. It's a good time to be there.

Do you have any contacts where I can couchsurf in Austin?
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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02-14-2014, 11:19 AM,
#29
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
I do not, but my understanding is it's a very couchsurf friendly town. I lived on couches in Austin for the entire year of 1984. Never paid rent. Never went hungry.

There is more hippie agriculture around Austin than anywhere else in the South. That area from Austin to San Antonio has a weird German immigrant / Mexican / old Hippie vibe that you should at least experience for the spring before heading to Florida.

My long-term goal is to relocate to Wimberly and establish a hippie survivalist compound there.

http://www.wimberley.org/living

I like trees, but dislike humidity. Wimberly has the rare combination of trees, but low humidity.
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02-14-2014, 03:21 PM,
#30
RE: Is It Time for American Citizens to Stop Paying Taxes and Start a New Government?
(02-12-2014, 08:17 PM)Watchdog Wrote:
(02-12-2014, 04:55 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(02-12-2014, 01:30 AM)Watchdog Wrote: ...the Rainbow family of living light, where we manage to create short-term communities...

Wait. Have you hooked up with some Rainbows for the spring?

I thought you were returning to Canukland via the midwestern U.S.

Well, I'm not to sure what I'll be doing in a few weeks. I'm currently doing a work-exchange on a farm in north east Texas, but I have little to no money (although the owner has promised I'd work for odd jobs just to get enough to continue my travels), and because it's darn cold outside I'm not prepared to hit the road moneyless.

No I'm not going back to Canada. I don't know if I ever will! I feel there is so much to see and do, and if I go back to my old life I'll be settling for less and not doing amazing things.

I am in contact with the Rainbow family in Florida (the Peace fleet) and I may have an opportunity to learn how to sail and sail somewhere for free, in exchange for helping the community out with my labor. But nothing is certain for now.

I can tell you this: every night I send hours thinking about what the hell I should do. On one side FEAR is telling me to get a job, earn money and do like everyone else, but the other side is screaming do something amazing!

But no money plus cold = fear.

?!
I just recently bought a used class b 19 foot hightop van, fully equipped and plan to head to a ranch in Texas from the east coast. Should be quite an adventure. I admire those who can just pack up and explore.
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