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20 Megatons of Aluminum in Chemtrail Program
04-09-2010, 07:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-09-2010, 07:33 PM by icosaface.)
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20 Megatons of Aluminum in Chemtrail Program
What in the World Are They Spraying? Part I

Concerned Citizens Demand Answers about Global Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering Programs


By Michael J. Murphy

What would you say if you were told that airplanes were regularly spraying toxic aerosols in the skies above every major region of the world? That is exactly what a group of protestors were claiming outside of the annual American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting that was held in San Diego from February 18-22. However, inside the convention center was a different story. The scientists gathered to discuss the “plausibility” of implementing various Geo-engineering campaigns throughout the world, all under the guise that the Earth has a man-made global warming problem that can be solved in-part by spraying aerosol aluminum and other particles into the sky to block the sun. When these scientists were asked about the possibility of existing aerosol programs; they stated that no aerosol spraying programs have been implemented to date. A little confused? Why would protestors gather outside of a meeting making claims that world-wide aerosol programs were under way if scientist were only now discussing the possibility of implementing these programs? Could it be that one of these groups is being deceived?
Mauro Oliveira, the Webmaster of Geoengineeringwatch.org, was one of the protestors. He claimed that the program for Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering (SAG), AKA chemtrails, has been well under way around the world. As a matter of fact, Oliveira stated that witnesses from around the globe claim that heavy aerosol spraying is occurring almost every day over just about every city. He went on to explain the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. He stated that when a jet airplane flies at a certain altitude, a visible trail of streaks of condensed water vapor sometimes form in the wake of the aircraft. This is called a contrail. Contrails are normal and usually dissipate in a few seconds. They are very similar to when we breathe in cold weather. According to Oliveira, what occurs behind a SAG plane spraying aerosols is quite different. What can be seen is a thick white line also called a chemtrail that lingers in the sky for several hours. The SAG lines are sprayed into the upper atmosphere and then spread out forming what then appear to be clouds. The particles from these aerosols then fall to the ground where they enter our soil and water and can also be inhaled.

Another group of protestors had traveled over 10 hours from a small Shasta County community in Northern California. They became concerned about SAG when many from this community began to see dramatic changes not only in the sky, but also on the ground. Trees were dying, grass was not growing and many farmers were having difficulty getting any crops to grow on their farms. The crisis prompted biologists from the community to take action by testing the soil. The results were shocking. Aluminum, barium and other elements were found to be up to thousands of times higher than normal limits. Such high quantities lead to unhealthy PH levels in the soil which can be deadly to ecological life systems. These shocking results led to additional testing of Lake Shasta with samples from the Pit River arm tributary that tested over 4,610 times the maximum contamination level of aluminum allowed in drinking water in the state of California. Also, peer reviewed scientific studies conclude that bio-available aluminum, now found in huge quantities in rain world-wide, is very harmful to flora and thus the eco-system. Ironically, these are the same substances the scientists are considering implementing in the various potential “future” aerosol spraying campaigns that were being discussed at the meeting.

A large number of other protesters became interested in SAG after experiencing burning eyes, migraine headaches, anxiety, irregular heartbeat, high blood pressure and other health problems on days that airplanes were allegedly witnessed spraying aerosols in the sky. Deborah Whitman, Founder and President of the non-profit environmental organization Environmental Voices and also Producer of the documentary “Sky Lines” is no stranger to these symptoms. She has been hospitalized over 51 times on what she calls “heavy spraying days”. Whitman has committed her life to helping people who claim to be experiencing similar problems resulting from aerosol spraying and gets calls from all over the U.S. in response to her website and documentary. Her recommended health tips can be found at http://www.environmentalvoices.org. Other indicators that possibly validate the claim that SAG is connected to health problems are the respiratory mortality rate, which has risen from eight on the list of mortality to third in the past five years, and the fact that Alzheimer’s and other illnesses linked to aluminum have continued to rise around the globe at astronomical rates since the inception of the alleged spraying.

The AAAS meeting hosted some of the world’s leading geo-engineering scientists. With years of education and even more experience in their respected fields, the scientists looked at geo-engineering issues from many angles. Workshop subjects ranged from, the effectiveness of geo-engineering to potential problems and even touched upon the issue of ethics. According to independent reporter Stewart Howe of Los Angeles, all of the scientists seemed to be looking for solutions to what they believe is the problem of global warming. Howe stated that the scientists appeared to be carefully weighing both the pros and cons of SAG when presenting potential campaigns to address the man-made global warming theory. Many were actually advocating alternative methods to combat this issue due to the potential risks of SAG that include droughts, ozone depletion, less solar power, decimated weather patterns, military use of technology and other various environmental impacts. Howe said, “after witnessing the aerosol spraying for years, I was surprised by the discourse among scientists.” Stewart went on to say that he believes that most of the scientists attending seemed to be separated from the knowledge of any current SAG deployment. As a matter of fact when asked about current SAG operations, leading geo-engineering scientist Ken Caldiera replied that he was unaware of any current aerosol spraying operations and when prompted to explain the long lingering trails left behind planes, he stated that they are simply normal contrails from jets.

David Keith, another leading scientist and expert in the field of geo-engineering, discussed the well-funded studies that have been conducted to predict potential future risks as well as benefits associated with geo-engineering. Some of the potential benefits include a cooler planet, and the reduction of melting sea ice and rising sea levels. Keith discussed what aerosol particles would be most effective in achieving the stated goals of the SAG program. He went on to say that initially sulfur was considered, however, aluminum is more effective and can be used by adding ten to twenty mega-tons per year into the stratosphere. When asked about health related studies that have been conducted to predict the potential risks of adding the particles in our air, Keith stated that many studies have been completed and indicate few risks. However, when asked specifically about the use of aluminum as an aerosol, he said “we haven’t done anything serious on aluminum, so there could be something terrible that we will find tomorrow that we haven't looked at." After the meeting, Keith showed consideration to the protesters by initiating a discussion about the SAG program outside where the protestors were standing. When confronted with concerns about SAG deployment from the group, he went on to say that he shared similar views and is against any deployment until proper research is completed to determine potential risks of aerosol spraying. He also went on to say that he is unaware of any current SAG operations, but, would be willing to look at any scientific proof if presented to him.

As the skies around our world continue to change, there is strong evidence that points toward current deployment of massive aerosol operations. Could it be that scientific data and studies are being used to implement pre-mature full-scale SAG programs with-out the knowledge of the top scientists who are involved with the research? If so, what kind of ethical considerations can we expect from the geo-engineering community in the future? It is hard to believe that the strange white lines in the skies witnessed around the world and the toxic elements found in the soil, water and air are from an unrelated source. We the people, in partnership with the scientific community need to challenge not only the environmental and health risks associated with SAG but also the numerous world-wide allegations about current deployment. It is imperative that we become educated and involved in uncovering the truth of this alleged crime against both nature and humanity. The future of our planet depends on it. As concerns continue to grow around the world about this issue, additional information including meet-up groups can be found on various chemtrail and geo-engineering websites.

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What in the World Are They Spraying? Part II
Published on 03-24-2010

By Michael J. Murphy - BLN Contributing Writer

Could Aluminum, Barium and Other Substances from Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-Engineering Programs be Destroying Eco-Systems around the World?

What would you do if you were told that toxic substances being sprayed into the sky are falling to the ground and decimating eco-systems around the world? This very claim, made by concerned citizens outside the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting last month in San Diego, sparked my interest to investigate further.

The AAAS meeting hosted several top geo-engineering scientists who gathered to discuss the “plausibility” of implementing various geo-engineering programs throughout the world. One of the options addressed was the stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering (SAG) , AKA chemtrail program, where scientists discussed the “plausibility” of spraying aerosol aluminum, barium and other particles into the sky to block the sun as a means to “reduce” the Earth’s temperature. When asked specifically about the potential risks associated with using aluminum in the program as an aerosol, scientists replied by stating that they have not studied much about the risks associated with aluminum and added that something terrible could be found tomorrow that they haven’t looked at. When probed further about the deployment of existing aerosol programs, the scientists stated that no aerosol spraying programs have been deployed to date.

The concerned citizens I met outside the meeting were claiming quite the opposite. They came in protest after witnessing airplanes that they believe are regularly spraying aerosols into the upper-part of the sky. Many from this group have tested and found extremely high levels of aluminum, barium and other substances in their soil, rain, water and snow. Ironically, the substances that they reported finding are the same substances the scientists are “considering” implementing in the various aerosol spraying programs discussed at the meeting. They also believe that these substances are leading to the destruction of eco-systems and are coming from already deployed SAG programs. Due to the severity of this issue and my desire to know the truth, I was led to Shasta County in the Northern part of California to investigate not only the claims of what is being reported in the sky, but also claims of what is in the rain, water, snow and soil from what many residents are saying is the result of SAG programs.

The first stop on this trip led me to Dane Wigington’s beautiful 2000 acre property overlooking Lake Shasta. As we toured his breath-taking land, he pointed to multiple trails that blanketed the sky. He claimed the trails are present on most days above Northern California. Wigington referred to this as a “moderate spraying day”. Like many other residents in Shasta County, Wigington moved to the area to get away from the heavy pollution of Southern California that he grew up with as a child. His dreams of living off the land and becoming one with nature are now coming to a grinding halt as he is focusing his time and energy on the issue of geo-engineering.

Wigington became concerned about SAG when he began to notice dramatic changes in the solar power that he uses to supply his home and property. Owner of one of the largest residential solar systems in Northern California, he began to notice very high declines in solar power. It can be decreased by as much as 60 percent on what he calls “heavy spraying days”. Wigington said, “The trails are literally blocking the sun”. He also went on to say that he regularly samples the fine dust layers on top of his solar panels and other outdoor surface areas and frequently finds very high levels of aluminum and barium. Wigington believes that these are a product of SAG programs.

At the same time as finding decreased solar power, Wigington also began to witness dramatic changes on his property as the trees, grass, insects and wildlife started dying. This led him to get his first rain test just four years ago. The results were shocking as they found aluminum levels at 7 ug/l or 7 parts per billion. Although aluminum can be found around the world in smaller quantities, geo-hydrologists told him that this number was quite high. Since that time, he has had aluminum tests escalate as high as 50,000 percent to 3,400ug/l. That is literally toxic rain. These results prompted him to get additional pH tests from two USDA soil scientists which yielded more shocking results. The pH of the soil was 6.6 in one area and 7.4 in another. This is over 11 times the normal alkalinity of the soil which should be in the range of 5.0 to 5.5. It is important to note the tests were taken in the forest far removed from any highway or industry.

When asked what these changes can do to the ecosystem, Wigington replied by saying that it is devastating. He went on to say, “if this continues, we can only expect to see things get much worse. Not only are we seeing our trees dying here, but also a major decline in our wildlife and fish”. As a matter of fact, Wigington stated that according to The National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, the salmon run, once seen in abundance in this area has declined from 769,868 in 2002 to 39,530 in 2009. That is over a 90 percent decline. Amazingly enough, this decline started occurring about the same period of time when residents began to see a dramatic increase in what they believe to be SAG programs. Wigington’s efforts to get these issues and test results addressed has been largely ignored by government agencies and officials.

After a closer look at Wigington’s property, my initial awe of the beauty and breath taking views led to sadness, frustration and anger over the contamination that is literally destroying the eco-system. This led me to investigate further by seeking an expert in biology. I packed up the car and headed north to the breathtaking town of Mt. Shasta. Mt. Shasta has been known for its beauty, clean air and as being the source of water for some bottled water companies. Many travel from around the world to mountain climb and vacation in this beautiful part of Western America.

Francis Mangels, BS in Forestry, Masters in zoology and a retired soil conservationist and wildlife biologist who worked for the U.S. Forest Service for over thirty five years, welcomed me into his beautiful home in the town of Mt. Shasta to discuss the “hidden” crisis that is occurring. Mangels alerted me to the rapid decline of fish in the nearby rivers and streams. Mangels brought me to a nearby creek that had an abundant supply of fish just a few years ago. Because the primary diet of the fish in the creek is aquatic insects, he performed a standard sample method to measure the amount of insects present. The samples he had performed before the alleged aerosol spraying campaign had yielded an average of 1000 aquatic insects. Our sample yielded only 31. This is over a 96% decline from samples taken just a few years ago. Mangels stated that because the fish live off of the insects, they are literally starving. This rapid decline is likely due to changes in the chemistry of the water. The only changes that Mangels is aware of are the dramatic increases of aluminum, barium and strontium which he believes is from SAG programs.

We also took time to test the pH of nearby soil and snow which contained over 10 times the alkalinity of the normal pH. Mangels has evidence that this drastic change in pH is also due to the massive increases of aluminum. He stated that forests, fields and farm ecologies thrive in acidic soils. Aluminum acts as a buffer that increases alkalinity and can decimate ecologies in large amounts. Mangels also pointed out that snow on Mt. Shasta was tested and sent to the Environmental Protection Agency (E.P.A.) who found results that contained 61,100 ug/l or parts per billion of aluminum and 83 ug/l of barium. The normal amount of aluminum in the snow at Mt. Shasta is 0.5 ug/l. Drinking water allowable is 50ug/l. That means that the snow on Mt. Shasta has tested at 1200 times more poisonous than water standards allow for aluminum. Mangels said, “Mountain climbers that come from around the world are drinking the poisonous water from the snow on the mountain”. Mangels went on to say that government action is required at just 1000 ug/l of detected aluminum. Although he alerted several government agencies of these findings, no governmental action has been taken to date.

Mengels brought me to several other locations around the town of Mt. Shasta where he tested the soil, rain, water and snow that also yielded tests that revealed the pH to be over ten times the normal alkalinity. He went on to say that these types of changes in soil, water and snow are very uncommon except in other areas around the world where people have been witnessing what many believe to be spraying from SAG programs. Mengels also stated that these changes have produced an “ecological crisis” and will have horrible consequences if continued. Mengels said, “Losses to our economy will be incredible and are on their way as we speak. Tree growth will be decreased which will result in the loss of logging jobs. It is also causing the decline of naturally occurring plant and grass growth that occurs in the normally acidic soils of grazing pastures, resulting in the demise of our grazing industry, fishing industry, and worst of all, basic agriculture in Northern California.”

What is amazing is that these tests and many others throughout the world are largely being ignored by the very governmental entities that are required to address them. Some politicians, like Mt. Shasta City Council member Ed Valenzuela may choose to ignore the issue. Valenzuela was made aware of the mass contamination at a city council meeting where he stated that the city did not want to sample the water for aluminum because the request was a “can of worms” that would, "open a Pandora's box" that the city would have to pay for. Although several local citizens volunteered to pay the $22.00 cost of the test at an EPA lab, both Republican Committee Chairman Russ Porterfield, and Valenzuela voted no to having the water tested. The mayor Stearns wanted the test, but was overruled by a 3-2 vote. This response is not uncommon as Mengels has presented this issue and his scientific data to over 15 local and federal agencies including Senator Feinstein and Senator Boxer’s office. To date he has received no response or action.

Is it a coincidence that the substances found in the rain, snow and soil in this region and around the world match the exact substances that scientists are “considering” implementing in various geo-engineering campaigns throughout the world? If not, then why have agencies and officials largely ignored these findings that are destroying our planet’s eco-system? Could it be that officials are fearful of exposing a massive cover-up of a world-wide ecological crime? Or is it the belief that this issue is simply too large and too complicated a problem for them to tackle? Whatever the reason for this ignorance, we need to demand that our questions and shocking test results get addressed not only in Shasta County, but in every part of the world. Our future on this planet is dependent on this issue being addressed.

Because this movement has come under attack from those who appear to be protecting the many political and corporate interests associated with SAG, it is essential that all of us around the world get involved by testing the rain, snow, soil and various outdoor surfaces and reporting the results to our elected officials and local environmental agencies. We must also reach out and educate all those involved with SAG who might be unaware of the environmental implications associated with their programs. Testing for pH changes and metals is simple and can be performed almost anywhere at a nominal price. Simple testing instructions and more information about geo-engineering programs can be found on the internet at http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org . Biologist Francis Mengels can be contacted by e-mail at bioguy311@sbcglobal.net for more information on this issue, the tests he has performed and suggestions on testing procedures. Please take action by testing, reporting and demanding answers on this ever so important issue. Both nature and humanity depend on it. For more information, please contact me at whtagft@hotmail.com or visit my blog: http://truthmediaproductions.blogspot.com/ .

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07-13-2010, 03:05 PM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Mahatma Coat.

And here THIS PUBLICATION is the ERROR, and ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE is the TRUTH.
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07-13-2010, 03:12 PM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
@JazzRoc

Could you please reference some documents to back your stance on the atmospheric science?

Thanks in advance.
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07-13-2010, 03:27 PM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Maybe he'll refer to another open access pay to publish web journal?


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07-13-2010, 05:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-13-2010, 06:02 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(07-13-2010, 03:12 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: Could you please reference some documents to back your stance on the atmospheric science? Thanks in advance.

(07-13-2010, 03:27 PM)scaramanga667 Wrote: Maybe he'll refer to another open access pay to publish web journal?
Battan, Louis J. 1979. Fundamentals of Meteorology. Englewood, NJ: Prentice-Hall.
Bohren, C. P., and B. A. Albrecht. 1998. Environmental Science. Earth as a Living Planet. New York: John Wiley and Sons.
Charlson, R. J., J. E. Lovelock, M. O. Andreae, and S. G. Warren. 1987. Oceanic phytoplankton, atmospheric sulfur, cloud albedo and climate. Nature 326:655-61.
Fermi, E. 1956. Thermodynamics. New York: Dover Publications.
Gleick, P. H. 1996. Water Resources In encyclopedia of Climate and Weather, S. H. Schneider, ed. New York: Oxford University Press.
Goody, R. M., and J. C. G. Walker. 1972. Atmospheres. Englewood Cliffs, NJ.: Prentice-Hall.
Hecht, E. 1996. Physics: Calculus. Pacific Grove, Calif.: Brooks Cole Publishing Co.
Hess, S. L. 1959. Introduction to Theoretical Meteorology. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston.
Holton, James R. 1979. An Introduction to Dynamic Meteorology. 2nd ed. London: Academic Press Inc.
Lutgens, F. K. and E. J. Tarbuck. 2004. The Atmosphere - An Introduction to Meteorology. Upper Saddle River, NJ.: Pearson Prentice-Hall.
Mason, B. J. 1957. The Physics of Clouds. Oxford: Clarendon Press.
McIlveen, Robin. 1986. Basic Meteorology: A Physical Outline. Berkshire, UK: Van Norstrand Company Ltd.
Penner, J. E., D. H. Lister, D. J. Griggs, D. J. Dokken, and M. McFarland, eds. 1999. Aviation and the Global Atmosphere. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.
Planck M. 1945. Treatise on Thermodynamics. Translated by A. Ogg. New York: Dover Publications.
Rogers, R. R., and M. K. Yau. 1989. A Short Course on Cloud Physics. 3rd ed. Woburn, Mass.: Butterworth-Heinemann.
Schlesinger, W. H. 1997. Biogeochemistry: An Analysis of Global Change. 2nd ed. San Diego: Academic Press.
U.S. Standard Atmosphere, 1976. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1976.
Wallace, J. M., and P. V. Hobbs. 1977. Atmospheric Science - An Introductory Survey. New York: Academic Press.
Wells, N. 1997. The Atmosphere and Ocean. New York: John Wiley and Sons.
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07-13-2010, 06:08 PM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Looks like I'm headed to the library. You couldn't be any less specific if you tried JazzRoc. I can only imagine your smug grin when you were typing those out.

This may take awhile but don't consider this closure and, I know, you'll be waiting.

Smile
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07-13-2010, 06:14 PM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(07-13-2010, 06:08 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: Looks like I'm headed to the library. You couldn't be any less specific if you tried JazzRoc. I can only imagine your smug grin when you were typing those out.
This may take awhile but don't consider this closure and, I know, you'll be waiting.Smile
The library's the best place to go. I had typed out some of them before.
I COULD have just typed http://jazzroc.wordpress.com, for I put them there in "What's it all about?", but I just KNOW you'd have blanked that out.
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07-13-2010, 08:45 PM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
The books dates referenced are a tad bit old as people are just lately been able to get conclusive tests. Perhaps newer material and not those written and approved of by the victors but rather double blind studies should be used. Something with real data perhaps from those who don't have a dog in the race or are backed by the dog, least the quote be applied given from the denial side.

I skimmed over the website where one name was mentioned, pretty impressive with backed evidence that such is and has been in practice for a while now. http://geoengineeringwatch.org/

This site also goes into why the environmental groups remain silent, like David Keith, friend to the planet? Funded by Bill Gates. Article by Time?

JR, loved the pics of the cars and bikes though. You have also lived at some beautiful places too. I did notice the 5% pity that you give to the USA and 95% to our victims. England isn't our partner in crime anymore? I would imagine your pity now should reflect at least a portion to the Brittan as of British Petroleum's fiasco.
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07-15-2010, 03:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-15-2010, 03:26 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(07-13-2010, 08:45 PM)hilly7 Wrote: The books dates referenced are a tad bit old as people are just lately been able to get conclusive tests. Perhaps newer material and not those written and approved of by the victors but rather double blind studies should be used. Something with real data perhaps from those who don't have a dog in the race or are backed by the dog, least the quote be applied given from the denial side.
"Old" means "no dog in the race", does it not? For conclusive tests there are hundreds of reports like this:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/atlas_JAMC2006.pdf
I don't how you can argue that the international mix of scientists is fully comprised of people who all have "dogs in the race". How could they? In the case of what these guys discovered, if there were ANY traces of contaminant metals, the whole bunch of data wouldn't fit with comparative studies made years and decades previously.

Quote:I skimmed over the website where one name was mentioned, pretty impressive with backed evidence that such is and has been in practice for a while now. http://geoengineeringwatch.org/
NO backed evidence, industrial poisoning shovelled into "geo-engineering", and "what-ifs" labelled as actuality. NONE of it is as you describe.

Quote:This site also goes into why the environmental groups remain silent, like David Keith, friend to the planet? Funded by Bill Gates. Article by Time?
Paying off the corrupt would certainly "do the job", but I can't see a done job here.

Quote:JR, loved the pics of the cars and bikes though. You have also lived at some beautiful places too. I did notice the 5% pity that you give to the USA and 95% to our victims. England isn't our partner in crime anymore? I would imagine your pity now should reflect at least a portion to the Brittan as of British Petroleum's fiasco.
Britain is in partnership with your bunch of criminals, yes. And I live in Spain - well a 1000 miles south and 500 miles west of it.
I only go to the UK to visit my old mum, and my old cronies (Who are a bunch of pale-skinned computer geeks). Why do you think that is, Hilly? Didn't you see the last part of my "about"?
Nice to be back.
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07-16-2010, 04:27 AM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(07-15-2010, 03:17 PM)JazzRoc Wrote:
(07-13-2010, 08:45 PM)hilly7 Wrote: The books dates referenced are a tad bit old as people are just lately been able to get conclusive tests. Perhaps newer material and not those written and approved of by the victors but rather double blind studies should be used. Something with real data perhaps from those who don't have a dog in the race or are backed by the dog, least the quote be applied given from the denial side.
"Old" means "no dog in the race", does it not? For conclusive tests there are hundreds of reports like this:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/atlas_JAMC2006.pdf
I don't how you can argue that the international mix of scientists is fully comprised of people who all have "dogs in the race". How could they? In the case of what these guys discovered, if there were ANY traces of contaminant metals, the whole bunch of data wouldn't fit with comparative studies made years and decades previously.

Quote:I skimmed over the website where one name was mentioned, pretty impressive with backed evidence that such is and has been in practice for a while now. http://geoengineeringwatch.org/
NO backed evidence, industrial poisoning shovelled into "geo-engineering", and "what-ifs" labelled as actuality. NONE of it is as you describe.

Quote:This site also goes into why the environmental groups remain silent, like David Keith, friend to the planet? Funded by Bill Gates. Article by Time?
Paying off the corrupt would certainly "do the job", but I can't see a done job here.

Quote:JR, loved the pics of the cars and bikes though. You have also lived at some beautiful places too. I did notice the 5% pity that you give to the USA and 95% to our victims. England isn't our partner in crime anymore? I would imagine your pity now should reflect at least a portion to the Brittan as of British Petroleum's fiasco.
Britain is in partnership with your bunch of criminals, yes. And I live in Spain - well a 1000 miles south and 500 miles west of it.
I only go to the UK to visit my old mum, and my old cronies (Who are a bunch of pale-skinned computer geeks). Why do you think that is, Hilly? Didn't you see the last part of my "about"?
Nice to be back.

I didn't get through the whole site but I bookmarked it for later viewing. The Morphine was kicking in and to bed I went. You done a good job designing it. I love all the photos.

As usual we disagree, but it nice arguing with you again. You know the government here and in the UK is corrupt, so why would you think them above either paying off someone or adding or subtracting from the top? Anybody under them would be silenced.
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07-16-2010, 05:33 AM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Due to his ignorance and lack of productive input, I've ignored JazzRoc as of yesterday afternoon. Feel free to continue listening to his trolling, but I'm done with it.

I've never done this before on any forum, and can take a lot of shit, but in THIS forum I don't find any way in which he contributes. Almost every comment is negative, and he's never uploaded or downloaded anything from the tracker. He's not interested in any opinions but his own, and in that spirit, I leave him to it.
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07-17-2010, 10:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2010, 10:31 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(07-16-2010, 04:27 AM)hilly7 Wrote: I didn't get through the whole site but I bookmarked it for later viewing. The Morphine was kicking in and to bed I went. You done a good job designing it. I love all the photos.
Thanks. Morphine, eh? Hm. Thanks.

Quote:As usual we disagree, but it nice arguing with you again. You know the government here and in the UK is corrupt, so why would you think them above either paying off someone or adding or subtracting from the top? Anybody under them would be silenced.
It's the physics and the engineering of the DELIVERY. To make something that works in an aircraft, you HAVE to obey the rules of physics first. It will require physical hardware which will be limited to very few parts of the aircraft. It will show various visual signs. These are not seen.
You cannot wrongly claim that persistent trails ARE chemtrails without a means to distinguish chemtrails from persistent trails, especially as what is seen is EXACTLY consistent with persistent trails - which have a 67 year history.
Finally, there are tens of thousands of aircraft and hundreds of thousands of airfield employees and not a convincing blow of a whistle.
I DON'T think the ptb "above either paying off someone or adding or subtracting from the top"!
But without the physics - it ain't possible.
Let's not even begin talking about LOGISTICS and PRACTICABILITY...
I have a nature journalist friend who "chemtrailed" for ages until I kicked him in the goolies. Not that that worked, but over a long period of time he observed the growth of mosses and lichens under what he believed to be a "chemtrail corridor", and discovered they were IMPROVING. He knew already that they were sensitive to particulates (they aren't found in polluted cities) and he remembered an occasion when I had pointed out that particulates in air PREVENT the formation of haloes and sundogs ("chembows"), (and we have frequent opportunities to observe the dampening effect of Saharan sandstorms on halo events), and the "chemtrails" house of cards toppled. Epiphany...
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07-18-2010, 04:15 PM,
#13
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Perhaps a different angle. Is it possible that a newer fuel additive is being used by larger corporations for financial or performance reasons with harmful effects is being used? Larger corporations often are privy to using things that smaller ones aren't allowed to do or can't afford.

A good example is the company I worked for got it approved a years back to use recap tires even on the front, something that small companies are still not allowed to do. It compromises safety yet saves money. Its been done for so long now that most of the newer employees don't know, and we are talking about either the largest or second largest employer in the world. They don't pay employees off and it is there in plain site yet nobody questions the recap on the front of the trucks. I would almost bet that most employees have little knowledge of what a recap is and for those that do, it is endorsed by the union and ok'd by the government. Or so we were told in a brief meeting just before they started the practice.

I looked through old pictures and the oldest ones that they appear in are about in 1984 (no pun intended to HG Wells). I know there are a lot more jets now than back then which would add to pollution in the skies. Isn't it possible that the larger companies, without malice, are using an additive? Like the recaps, most wouldn't notice or even know the difference. In the recap agreement all that really needed to take place wasn't hundreds of thousands employees or thousand of union reps, just the blessings of a small few in government and a few at the union. It is now just looked upon as an acceptable risk. Perhaps this could be the same?
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07-18-2010, 10:31 PM,
#14
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Quote:Perhaps a different angle. Is it possible that a newer fuel additive is being used by larger corporations for financial or performance reasons with harmful effects is being used?

From most of what I've read it's an additive to jet fuel. I'll get back to you on some references, or maybe someone else can pitch on the research.
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07-19-2010, 01:09 AM,
#15
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
For your consideration again.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
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