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20 Megatons of Aluminum in Chemtrail Program
08-09-2010, 04:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-09-2010, 04:56 PM by hilly7.)
#76
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
I was actually being serious on the video. My former step father was a pilot but he died in a crash when I was 11, so I really don't know a whole lot about aviation. My questions on the video were based on what I knew from the late 60s and communication while in the air. Yea, I'm sure technology has improved, but the conversation was pretty clear, IMHO. No engine or transmission noise. Oh yea, the spray wasn't coming from the engine but from sprayers attached to the aircraft. I'm sure though that sufficient knowledge of what chemicals can be used is already known.

If you watch the video I posted from the History Chanel it doesn't take about spraying chemicals to harm people, just change weather patterns, which does harm people. Just not directly from the chemicals via too much or too little rain. That can and does have a devastating effect. Crops, molds, fungus, or the lack of sustainable, potable water, along with the BS of making Global Warming look real. That also doesn't mean that planes with the specific purpose of chemtrailing does not fly and dispense. Would that take a lot of money? Of course it would. Then again, who owns the money? They do. We think in terms of expense because we have to live by what THEY allow us to have. So I do believe in the sprays being emitted.

Now as for chemicals, Al Gore in his movie does talk about (clearly stated too) placing reflective materials in the atmosphere to block some of the sun's harmful rays. It is and has been being discussed. Open and shut case on that one, watch it for yourself and listen to that part. There are a lot of pattens on how this can be achieved. One would have to be willingly ignorant to not see and hear from the sources and data available. I do believe that they are doing this, just maybe not as we think and maybe even not as often as we think.

Whether JR is a shill or not, who knows, maybe just willing ignorant, but then truthfully we all are in some ways or another. I am glad though that nik invited him. Now God knows that he and I differ on about everything and in many ways IMHO, he is willingly ignorant to many things... truth be told though, I have learned some things from JR. He also places up good arguments. So much so I really don't think that it is possible to mix crap in the fuel itself and have an engine run anymore. He is a bit arrogant but again, we can all be at times, especially when we are passionate about something. While JR can throw a monkey wrench in a discussion at times, he does give some info that we wouldn't normally have. Is he a scientist, no, but he does has info in his area just as each of us have different info in our area of expertise. I'm not taking his part, just saying what I think.
JR, Is this what you would consider a normal contrail? I think you may have answered it but I also may have missed it. Confused

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08-09-2010, 05:08 PM,
#77
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-09-2010, 04:49 PM)hilly7 Wrote: I was actually being serious
Back to you later Smile
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08-09-2010, 08:09 PM,
#78
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
"(I like that last bit - ONE gram of kerosene gets you TEN METRES of forward flight.)" does that include runway time? how about hours of circling waiting for a space to land. how about you take into account the fact that a small minority of craft could even run efficiently enough make those figures. all picked out of a hat. jazz your main problem with your arguments is that you stick religiously to figures handed to you by people wanting to look good. You think those figures are really real? you take NO account into the realities of aircraft in its entirety. just posting a statistic and saying "see? there." is not going to cut my mustard.

"figures from British Airways" oh yeah of course. British airways. no conflict of interest on those figuresSmile come on jazz. im sure you can do better. and plus you can be polite to anyone. regardless of their choice of "time wasting" seeing as you are talking to folks who seem to be unconvincable, you could fall into that category of time waster. Take a little sip of the shut up juice. explain yourself like an adult. give it a go. they may take what you have to say in a completely different context. I may take back the arsehole statement. im almost half your age kid....
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08-09-2010, 09:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-09-2010, 10:08 PM by JazzRoc.)
#79
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-09-2010, 08:09 PM)rsol Wrote: does that include runway time? how about hours of circling waiting for a space to land. how about you take into account the fact that a small minority of craft could even run efficiently enough make those figures. all picked out of a hat
Yes. Yes. Yes. It will be close to 3 sig. figs. It will be an approximate average, and your objections are specious.

Quote:jazz your main problem with your arguments is that you stick religiously to figures handed to you by people wanting to look good. You think those figures are really real? you take NO account into the realities of aircraft in its entirety. just posting a statistic and saying "see? there." is not going to cut my mustard.
And your problem appears to be that you cannot see the utility in maths. Your waste bathwater is FULL of babies.

Quote:"figures from British Airways" oh yeah of course. British airways. no conflict of interest on those figuresSmile come on jazz. im sure you can do better. and plus you can be polite to anyone. regardless of their choice of "time wasting" seeing as you are talking to folks who seem to be unconvincable, you could fall into that category of time waster.
An interesting final point, not true because of non-participants.
As for BA, I HATE the airline, as it (to me) exemplifies the WORST of trading practices, but, in spite of that, I KNOW that massaging figures damages the massager first. The long run takes no prisoners. These figures are reasonably close to the truth. What peculiar interest might BA have in suborning the IPCC? What size of committee did the IPCC run to make a world climate energy assay? How long did it take?

Quote:Take a little sip of the shut up juice. explain yourself like an adult. give it a go. they may take what you have to say in a completely different context. I may take back the arsehole statement. im almost half your age kid...
You're at least twice as old as me, surely. Or young.
MY generation was trained with honesty in mind and trust in professionalism, for sure. It goes with the territory.
Yours has in it people that can swear that black is white, and for ideological reasons.
Well, FUCK ideologies, if that's what they do for you. I think you (as a generation) are the most dangerous bastards the world has yet met. Greedy AND undisciplined. Uneducated AND intolerant. Ignorant, fearful, AND nuclear-tipped. Thatcher and Reagan were your precursors, and here you are. Thomas and Scumspawn*. You are fighting an enemy which is MY enemy, but my enemy's enemy is NOT my friend.
Politics? I AM AN ANARCHO-SYNDICALIST.
Permaculture is something you may have heard of, but it is NOT JUST GARDENING.
SELF-SUFFICIENCY will, at a stroke, remove the "threat" of the NWO.
SOLVE YOUR OWN FUCKING PROBLEMS and educate yourself. There's nothing worse than a bleeding heart in need of a transfusion itself.
Using YouTube to do this is a futile exercise in self-immolation. Just buy a can of petrol and set fire to yourself. It'll be quicker.
That way your actions would serve to lessen the risk to my grandchildren - aside from the minute GW you would bring about. And anyway, these days it's "climate change".
*"Old Harry's Game" - BBC Radio 4.
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08-09-2010, 10:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-09-2010, 10:55 PM by JazzRoc.)
#80
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-09-2010, 04:49 PM)hilly7 Wrote: My questions on the video were based on what I knew from the late 60s and communication while in the air. Yea, I'm sure technology has improved, but the conversation was pretty clear, IMHO. No engine or transmission noise. Oh yea, the spray wasn't coming from the engine but from sprayers attached to the aircraft. I'm sure though that sufficient knowledge of what chemicals can be used is already known.
Sounds like the precursor to Popeye. Defoliation from 2000 feet in a Hercules isn't particularly attributable to myriads of aircraft laying condensation trails seven miles up.
Historically, EVERY precedent has been set. Germ warfare: the BRITS and YOU. ASK A RED INDIAN - oh, you ARE one. Smile
Quote:If you watch the video I posted from the History Chanel it doesn't take about spraying chemicals to harm people, just change weather patterns, which does harm people. Just not directly from the chemicals via too much or too little rain. That can and does have a devastating effect. Crops, molds, fungus, or the lack of sustainable, potable water, along with the BS of making Global Warming look real.
What you are saying is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Are you implying we should STOP learning?
In the Lynmouth case, there isn't a way you can evidentially link the cloud-seeding experiment (conducted in a line from the west country to Norfolk) to a flooding river on the south coast. It was raining EVERYWHERE that day.
Risks are inherent in life, and it's useless to complain about it. How many people have burned to death? Did you enjoy your last cooked meal?
Quote:That also doesn't mean that planes with the specific purpose of chemtrailing does not fly and dispense. Would that take a lot of money? Of course it would. Then again, who owns the money? They do. We think in terms of expense because we have to live by what THEY allow us to have. So I do believe in the sprays being emitted.
There is no logic in your belief that I can understand. If you were to go to court on some assertion of chemtrails, and you were asked by judge and jury to PRODUCE EVIDENCE, would you call what you write here EVIDENCE?
Do you think you'd win the case?
Quote:Now as for chemicals, Al Gore in his movie does talk about (clearly stated too) placing reflective materials in the atmosphere to block some of the sun's harmful rays. It is and has been being discussed. Open and shut case on that one, watch it for yourself and listen to that part. There are a lot of patents on how this can be achieved. One would have to be willingly ignorant to not see and hear from the sources and data available. I do believe that they are doing this, just maybe not as we think and maybe even not as often as we think.
By the same token you could ask MICKEY MOUSE to ask SCOTTY to BEAM you a TRACTOR just like the one Wile E. COYOTE uses.
Or at least get him to BEAM you to the Moon, which already has a PATENTED hotel there.
Quote:Whether JR is a shill or not
There's NO WAY you're ever going to KNOW, is there? Why don't you just assume I AM. Be done with the dithering.
Quote:who knows, maybe just willing ignorant, but then truthfully we all are in some ways or another.
There is an element to professionalism that is essentially private and personal. That is the sense of DUTY. It involves following an ideal to which you keep, no matter WHAT events are occurring around you. It really does put you in a learning frame of mind. I have indeed been surprised by some things, but that's only to be expected. Nobody knows "everything". You just have to call it as you see it.
Quote:I am glad though that nik invited him. Now God knows that he and I differ on about everything and in many ways IMHO, he is willingly ignorant to many things...
Grits teeth...
Quote:JR, Is this what you would consider a normal contrail? I think you may have answered it but I also may have missed it.
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Yeah, it's normal. There are three separate altitude cloud sets.
Highest, the trails at around 7 miles. Those trails are slowly descending. Falling trails of ice tend to "pull together" into narrowing columns and accelerate their fall, just like virgae.
2 miles beneath them, a "dish"* in the tropopause has collected ice crystals as an amorphous cirrus. They could be old trail crystals...
4 miles beneath that, marine altocumulus, of the type that Stephen Salter wishes to "seed" with his Salt Spray Trimaran.
*Just a figure of speech. In reality, the point at which the air becomes TOO WARM for the ever-falling ice crystals not to evaporate.
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08-09-2010, 11:23 PM,
#81
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-07-2010, 08:01 PM)JazzRoc Wrote: It's one of the things most characteristic of you. Anyone who disagrees with you is a (pick a perjorative noun). It's called "Chewbacca's Defense". Such a winning way...
That's rather hypocritical considering how often you attack people personally in (or in lieu of) your arguments. This thread has numerous examples. Love005
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08-09-2010, 11:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2010, 12:45 AM by JazzRoc.)
#82
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-09-2010, 02:53 PM)icosaface Wrote: He is not a real scientist, he doesn't observe what is going on and draw his own conclusions therefrom.
Work done since 1962 (aged 18):
test rig for air-cooled turbine blade design (app)
Concorde wind tunnel component machining work (app)
(Semi-pro rock band bassist singer/composer stuff stopped here....)
M4 motorway (Tormarton-Liddington)
factory architecture
microwave transceiver mast assembly for GPO Telecom
Locks, safes and exhibitions
Anglesey-Port Sunlight oil pipeline
Vessel design and petro equipment all around Ellesmere Port
Liquid sodium equipment
foundry equipment
electric drill
precision welding equipment
warehouse systems
nuclear decanning plant
"Little Britain" civil engineering work
submarine pen equipment
security equipment
office equipment
ethernet equipment
power station equipment
catamaran
household heat exchanger
kitchen equipment
(work in music recording studio and jazz composition (is that an oxymoron or what? - began here...)
Canary Wharf security equipment
steam boiler equipment
electric car equipment - 2001. That's it. I've had to generalize. All of them were design office roles, from lowest apprentice to big SOB - engineer through draughtsman through designer to director and back again. Almost ALL projects were very large, and I was a small cog. The last part was more sporadic, especially after '92.
Quote:Instead he apologizes for TPTB. According to him nothing is wrong except what the official party line says is wrong. We all should know by now how much trust one can have in the official party line.
You will NOT find a single case of that. You are a singular liar.
Quote:Do your own research, draw your own conclusions, practice due dilligence.
If you WERE more diligent, you'd be able to SPELL it. See my signature below.
If you had ever addressed an argument I have put (and such an activity of yours doesn't spring easily to mind), then you lost the argument - and now you're lying about it. Classic Chewbacca.
(08-09-2010, 11:23 PM)Melchor Wrote: That's rather hypocritical considering how often you attack people personally in (or in lieu of) your arguments. This thread has numerous examples. Love005
Find one that PRECEDES someone else's attack. Then your charge of hypocrisy may be proven.
Until then, you're just another LIAR.
They must clump together...
The TITLE of this thread is "20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program". Tell me what evidence you have for this?
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08-09-2010, 11:45 PM,
#83
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Better glasses would help. I can spell it. it ..there see. ha Maybe you should actually check a dictionary before you offer spelling advice.

Nice list but there is a difference between a technologist and a scientist.

All you do is spread obfuscations and prevarications jr. You are a psyop.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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08-10-2010, 02:04 AM,
#84
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Damn, I thought I had a lot of jobs, lol. That is a sign of either being awfully good or just awful. Icon_biggrin

BTW, thanks for the info on the picture. The rest you kinda picked sound bites but I got the jest of it, so thanks on that too. I also now know I certainly watched the same cartoons as you, just maybe not as much. LOL
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08-10-2010, 02:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2010, 05:11 AM by nik.)
#85
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-09-2010, 03:14 PM)JazzRoc Wrote:
(08-09-2010, 12:18 AM)nik Wrote:
(08-08-2010, 04:48 AM)hilly7 Wrote: Huh Did you just post a video then post it fake or am I reading that wrong? Also, what about the History Channel videos and the others?
AFAIK what they are saying is that the video is real but since it surfaced a number of fake you tube channels appeared that on the surface declared they were exposing chemtrails but were in reality trying to undermine the argument with bogus videos in order to cast aspersions on the original one posted (the KC10 video above).
That ISN'T the truth at all.
The original video was taken from the cockpit of a following plane by the co-pilot, who published it immediately, KNOWING that the "chemtrail" community would try and make something of it. I have followed the trail of this one.
Of course I linked it here, but you "gentlemen" are "selective" enough to have ignored it, and appear to be in the middle of creating a MYTH about it.
Well I'm buggered. What a surprise! Har har...

It is clearly more of a tortuous path than as straight forward a case as you seem to believe, your comments on this article are, as ever, welcome:

Quote:July 25, 2010
Tip vortex condensations, contrails and chemtrails (The KC-10 USAF case)

The "tip vortex condensations" or sometimes "wingtip vortices" or "trailing vortices" must not to be confused with the contrails and indeed the reference to "aerodynamic" contrails is blatantly misleading. [1]

As you can see, unless you are liars or stupid (but we know that the hoaxers lie by contract), the phenomenon resumed in the movie of the KC-10 USAF is undoubtedly not attributable to "wingtip vortices" and this for several reasons.

In fact the contrails that hoaxers describe do not exist, since a "contrail" necessarily stems from a sudden rush between an extremely hot (the motor) and an extremely cold and humid (environment). The classic trail of condensation (contrail) must not be confused with the aerodynamic vortices. These are two different physical phenomena.

Long ago, we already treated the subject in this article [HERE]

To combat the mistification of aerodynamic contrails, which is used to diminish the importance of the purpose of the pilot movie "USAFFEKC1O" and then deny that the tanker is engaged in an illegal, aerosol operation is simple, using documents and films presented by the same misinformation.

Here's the text of the article of a notorious "debunking" site in which, about aerodynamic contrails, refers:

[...] The pressure drop is, of course, larger above than below the wing, which results in the uplift that carries the aircraft. [...] Although the cooling on the upper side is stronger, it is still substantial on the lower side. [...] Then, however, the supersaturation reaches much larger values above the wing than below the wing.

So it's written that the aerodynamic effect must be greater on the top surface of the wing, because it is well known that where the pressure decreases, lift increases.

Literally ...

[...] The decrease in pressure is naturally greater than under the wing that gives the plane lift. [...] While the temperature on the top of the wing is very low, is still considerable on the bottom. [...] In any event, the supersaturation reaches higher values above the wing than below.

In fact our friend Fabio found some movies that show effectively those aerodynamic contrails:

Condensation & HD Wing Vortices (time 0: 50, 2: 20, 3: 20)
(1080p) Wing Condensation Landings (time 0: 0: 45, 14, 1: 07, 1: 50 pm)
Trailing Arrival Virgin B747-400 Gatwick 08R (time 0: 32)

What distinguishes the so-called aerodynamic contrails (which aren't contrails) from condensation trails? As shown in the movies, they appear extremely short, dense, don't createiridescence and mainly focused on the top of the wing. This is due to the pressure difference between the bottom and top of the wing area.

The question is the following: "Why there is a pressure difference between the top and bottom of the surface of the wings?". The answer is simple: "during the landing, flaps are lowered and the strong brakes are brought to their profile, in order to permit the aircraft to rapidly decelerate and to get a better stability on the track. In these circumstances, especially in the presence of high humidity and low temperatures, aerodynamic vortices shall become visible, generating, for the reasons described above, a big flow of water droplets defined 'wingtip vortex'".

[Clicca per ingrandire l'immagine] There are other cases when wingtip vortices may form. These special aerodynamic effects often occur during aerial manoeuvres and/or abrupt or rapid changes of direction. In the case of hunting, for example, a so-called "evasive maneuver" leading the aircraft to a sudden change of trim and speed, can generate aerodynamic vortices similar to what we see during landing of commercial aircrafts.

The common denominator is, precisely, the sudden variation of an aerodynamic profile. How do you get an aerodynamic profile change? With lowering flaps and with the extraction of dropping. It is also important to highlight an important detail: the physical phenomenon that creates aerodynamic vortices determines that the most affected by air flow defined "wingtip vortex" is the top of the wings and fuselage. In short, where there is a sudden variation of airfoil, cannot occur the wingtip vortex.

At this point, let's see the KC-10 tanker video whose importance the hoaxers desperately tried to deny. We see that U.S.A.F. fottage the upper wing is perfectly clean. No upper wing vortices on the edges. This is crucial and moreover could not be otherwise, beacause the KC-10 is in regular flight planning, has not lowered the flaps (could not be otherwise, beacause of the speed). The aircraft is not in turn, is not in landing configuration, is making acrobatic manoeuvres! Trails that it produces are visibly underside of the wings ( tip vortex condensations "get dirty" the top of the wings), forming a chemtrail that starts from the bottom of the wings.

Trails produced from KC-10 are also iridescent and not because of the reflection of hypothetical droplets of water, but because of double rifraction. In fact, the phenomenonr double refraction does not ever happen with the vapour, which causes the phenomenon of refraction and reflection. Very fine particles suspended in the atmosphere generates fields of interference around each particle. Light rays are divided twice. This phenomenon especially occurs with quartz, copper, aluminium etc.

The movie shows a USAF KC-10 military aircraft, during a mission of illegal aerosol.

a) It's not a fuel dumping (The KC-10 U.S.A.F. junction DC-10 doesn't have built-in fuel exhaust systems).
b) These are not aerodynamic contrails aerodynamic.
c) It's not a fake.
d) It's not a hoax.

The video produced by a naive military pilot and then published on the portal You-Tube, represents the best evidence currently available on the Web and as such must be considered, although the clumsy and instrumental attempts to deny by hoaxers. In this regard, we would like to conclude by noting that the user's channel You-Tube USAFFEKC1O appears now in effect under the control of Italian hoaxers.

This says a lot about the role of deniers, as part of the cover-up about chemtrails and co-operation of ItalianYou-Tube staff in this misinformation.

We thank friends, Tom Bosco and Fabio for their precious co-operation.

[Clicca per ingrandire l'immagine] UPDATE: channel USAFFEKC10 was "reset" and "replaced" with a clone devoid of content whose last logon is traced back to a year ago, although we know that the user has inserted comments until a few hours ago. Everything looks bizarre and disturbing and at the same time, in the light of the latter "coup", it seems that the case of pilot U.S.A.F. dissident cannot yet be considered closed.



Previous articles about this topic:

- Too late, Tim (the case of the KC-10 in the skies)
- Mavericks


[1] Wingtip Vortices - [ LINK ] Wingtip vortices are tubes of circulating air which are left behind a wing as it generates lift. One wingtip vortex trails from the tip of each wing. The cores of vortices spin at very high speed and are regions of very low pressure. To first approximation, these low-pressure regions form with little exchange of heat with the neighboring regions i.e. adiabatically, so the local temperature in the low-pressure regions drops, too. If it drops below the local dew point, there results a condensation of water vapor present in the cores of wingtip vortices, making them visible. The temperature may even drop below the local freezing point, in which case ice crystals will form inside the cores.

Wingtip vortices are associated with induced drag, an essentially unavoidable side effect of the wing generating lift. Managing induced drag and wingtip vortices by selecting the best wing planform for the mission is critically important in aerospace engineering.

Wingtip vortices form the major component of wake turbulence.
http://tankerenemy.blogspot.com/2010/07/tip-vortex-condensations-contrails-and.html
(the actual page has a number of embedded links)

JazzRoc Wrote:The original video was taken from the cockpit of a following plane by the co-pilot, who published it immediately, KNOWING that the "chemtrail" community would try and make something of it. I have followed the trail of this one.
Of course I [url= http://contrailscience.com/fake-hoax-chemtrail-videos/#comment- 48654]linked [/url] it here, but you "gentlemen" are "selective" enough to have ignored it,

That URL isn't working at the moment:

Quote:/*
java.lang.Exception: Invalid function [fake-hoax-chemtrail-videos].
at com.woopra.servers.http.HttpSession.run(HttpSession.java:216)
at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:441)
at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(FutureTask.java:303)
at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:138)
at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:886)
at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:908)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
*/

Jazzroc, I recall from reading at Contrialscience that you do regard incidences where unexplained "orbs" have been sighted from airplanes are to being "strange".

I do not claim to believe in the veracity of this video nor otherwise, take a look:

http://www.tanker-enemy.tv/missing-plane.htm

Potentially this thread is being kept in a box, I remember Tesla and Lyne attempting to engage with this angle, in his own way, a year or two ago.

As an aside, I know directly of a number of accounts of people who can corroborate each others' experiences of witnessing unidentified flying objects over the Ellesmere Port refinery complex. Strange scenery but there is no accounting for taste.

jazzroc on hubpages Wrote:- I worked out that it would take 3.4 million tons of a barium/fuel compound and 70,000 tanker flights to "single shot" the Earth in such a matter. Apparently some government team did the same, but came up with a figure SIX times bigger. Either way it's meaningless, because the costs are too great, the "visibility" too high, and the gains too nebulous for even a FOOL to attempt it.

I agree that this assertion is meaningless. But it is also utilised so often to add ridicule to the "chemtrail theory" even when no such claims are being made that consequently it could be said to function well as a Strawman argument too. Insofar as a singular point in relation to nothing else, that much is clear.

Jazzroc in conversation Wrote:"commercial planes do not have that effect and have no visible chemtrails!" - Wrong. They do. The higher their efficiency, the greater their capability for making trails. Commercial aircraft are efficient. That's the way the airline makes a profit.


"airplanes use different kinds of fuel" - Yes they do, but CIVIL multi-engine aircraft DO use the same fuel.

"weather and altitude are not the only factors" - No, they aren't: older and less efficient engines make less of a trail.

I remember well over a year ago now submitting the case that JP8 - originally the standard military aviation fuel had been foisted onto the civilian aviation industry whilst nevertheless being less efficient and more polluting than the fuels previously used.

This clearly does not fit with your line of reasoning but it is nevertheless the reality in this case.

Why does fine particle Aluminum Oxide powder, when used as a surfactant in jet turbines, not destroy the engine, seeing as it is exhausted from the engine still in the form of a metal particulates? I thought you said it was "impossible" for a turbine to handle "any" amount of powered metal in it's mechanics?

I am just interested, my main purpose of reply was to suggest the KC10 video incident is by no means as straight forward as you claim.

what are those protuberances on the wings if not "nozzles"?
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08-10-2010, 03:14 AM,
#86
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Quote:I am just interested, my main purpose of reply was to suggest the KC10 video incident is by no means as straight forward as you claim.

what are those protuberances on the wings if not "nozzles"?

Warts. LOL
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08-10-2010, 04:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2010, 04:22 AM by Melchor.)
#87
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
(08-09-2010, 11:25 PM)JazzRoc Wrote: Find one that PRECEDES someone else's attack. Then your charge of hypocrisy may be proven.
Until then, you're just another LIAR.

Last time I checked hypocrisy is not in any way tied to others actions and whether others exhibit the same behaviors of the hypocrite.
Code:
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
Either you have principles or you don't, and your use of ad hominem while decrying it demonstrates that. I was just trolling and have nothing to add to the torrent really but you're a hypocritical douche and it seemed to me that someone should tell you.
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08-10-2010, 05:33 AM,
#88
RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Quote:
Quote: If you watch the video I posted from the History Chanel it doesn't take about spraying chemicals to harm people, just change weather patterns, which does harm people. Just not directly from the chemicals via too much or too little rain. That can and does have a devastating effect. Crops, molds, fungus, or the lack of sustainable, potable water, along with the BS of making Global Warming look real.

What you are saying is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Are you implying we should STOP learning?
In the Lynmouth case, there isn't a way you can evidentially link the cloud-seeding experiment (conducted in a line from the west country to Norfolk) to a flooding river on the south coast. It was raining EVERYWHERE that day.
Risks are inherent in life, and it's useless to complain about it. How many people have burned to death? Did you enjoy your last cooked meal?

I wasn't implying that one shouldn't learn, though it appears that you may have. And no, all knowledge isn't good, that is part of what causes wars. Then again, I'd rather we have it then our enemy so learning bad knowledge is a mute point.

Now, you site 1 case as if the whole movie was about 1 case. Please, watch the fuckin movie so you don't open mouth and insert foot again. What I am talking about, and it IS DOCUMENTED ENOUGH FOR COURT, altering the weather. We done it (as in the movie) in Vietnam. It has been done many times and in many places, even the military don't deign it. China didn't deign it. So yes, it is well known by all but you.

That was my point. maybe thy are using it that way... and I will add... too. I still remember that plastic crap on my windshield and the whole town was like that after heavy chemtrailing a few years ago. I even placed pics up of it. Now unless the island of plastic floating in the seas was airborne, or Barbie and Ken took a huge dump while flying over to see GI Joe, something is up. Suspicious
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08-10-2010, 06:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2010, 06:05 AM by nik.)
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Thinking http://www.asp.bnl.gov/TAPPgPln.pdf
Quote:PAGE 4: Table 1.1. Illustration of Institutional Priorities for Strategic Elements Addressing the Health Effects Associated with Airborne fine Particles. This table illustrates that the TAPP program contribution of pollution to the planet using Symbols H, M, and L denote high, medium, and low, respectively. The metric for this test is health effects associated with airborne fine particles. Compared to the other “natural, or unexplained” columns, the TAPP column was ALL H’s and M’s. In other words they admit to the HIGH HEALTH HAZARD their ‘research model’ will pose on one’s health.
http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/health-concerns-high-conveyed-on-government-document-about-tropospheric-aerosol-program-plan-2001/

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I haven't read it yet myself but thought I would post this claim beforehand to get it "in the mix" pun not sure if intended
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08-10-2010, 07:22 AM,
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RE: 20 megatons of aluminium in chemtrail program
Yes nik but from all 'unknown' sources not necessarily just from chemtrails or assumed chemtrail action. There are lots of sources to consider as I (and JazzRoc) outlined previously. Anything coming out a plane could be deemed dangerous, it's just a matter of quantifying it. There is evidence of the magnitude by ground observation in Western Europe when air traffic was stalled during the Icelandic Volcano (Eyjafjallajökull). "Never in decades have I seen clearer skies" was the common consensus and there was a volcano eruption that supposedly spewed out ash for a huge portion of the subcontinent.

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