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chemtrails, while you sleep
03-31-2010, 08:48 AM,
#1
chemtrails, while you sleep
Just took a walk outside, as I'm a terrible insomniac. What did I see? A nice triple stripe lining the skies. They've been hitting it pretty heavy over the last few months (San Diego).
About three weeks ago I unboxed two telescopes and was putting them together, waiting for friends to come over for a barbecue. They laughed at me when I said I was waiting for the chemtrails (had to explain them first). But alas, even I was surprised that not 15 minutes went by that three super high flying jets were spraying, leaving trails across the sky. I went and grabbed my HD video camera and started filming- and I caught a section of one of the trails that cut out for maybe 20 seconds or so, with a visible lapse in the trail.
Suddenly my friends didn't think I was so "nutso", as I explained the impossibility of contrails making this "mistake". I also showed them how the clear blue sky turned into a hazy blue sky a few hours later.
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04-01-2010, 12:33 AM,
#2
RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
Yes, it is not hard to point out the sky spiders irresponsible work.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


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Did you think you were put here for something less?
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04-01-2010, 06:04 AM,
#3
RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
They've been spraying it lately on cloudy days when they're camoflauged into the background here in LA and OC.
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04-01-2010, 12:20 PM,
#4
RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
I'll bet they probably try to do it on as many cloudy days as they can, but not all days are cloudy and they most likely need to do it regularly. Would not surprise me if they have started making more effort to schedule the sprays for cloudy days though, given that more people are beginning to notice it.


“I'm not from earth. I'm here on a research project. I'm preparing a paper on the psychosomatic ailments of pre-Apocalyptic condominium dwellers.”
-Sappho, Ash Ock

The Mushrooms once said to me "You must have a plan. If you don't have a plan, you will become part of someone else's plan."
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04-22-2010, 04:21 AM,
#5
RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
I've linked up with a friend up in OC, and we found out the spraying goes on at exactly the same time (SD and OC). Since the weather patterns are all over the map recently it's hard to nail down any kind of pattern. I thought it was the spraying just a day before it was supposed to rain, but that's not always the case. I thought it was only weekdays, but that's not the case either. The only constant is the flight path they use, coming and going.
The first time I witnessed it in SD was early 2004, as I've been aware of this since about 2002.
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04-28-2010, 11:13 PM,
#6
RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
Isoface said: Yes, it is not hard to point out the sky spiders irresponsible work.

Are you aware that some tarot card descriptions include:
"Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
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07-11-2010, 11:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-11-2010, 11:11 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
Contrail Observations over Southern and Eastern Asia in NOAA/AVHRR data and Comparisons to Contrail Simulations in a GCM
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a778783829~db=all
400 NOAA-14 satellite scenes from four months of the year 1998 were analysed. Both regions show sufficient air traffic to produce an observable amount of contrails. Thus we are able to measure for the first time contrail frequencies in the tropics and compare it to a nearby mid latitudinal region. The annual average of the daily mean contrail cloud coverage is 0.13% for the Thailand region and about 0.25% for the Japan region. For both regions the contrail cover is largest during spring. The daily cycle shows surprisingly high contrail coverage during night in spite of lower air traffic densities during night time.
Notice the word was "contrail" and the year 1998.
Notice this is a rational, logical, and sensible SCIENCE paper.
Notice the COVERAGE proportions.
Traffic has INCREASED since then, of course.
The scientists never referred to TAROT cards.
Why was that, do you think?
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07-12-2010, 09:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-12-2010, 10:02 PM by scaramanga667.)
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RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
Obviously the scientists don't refer to tarot cards, for a few reasons. 1- they are told that if they ever do refer to tarot cards or anything else even remotely smacking of the occult, they will not only be laughed out of science, but they'll be cleaning toilets the rest of their lives, if they're lucky. 2- They haven't been taught the history of anything to do with tarot, the occult, divination of any kind. Most are basically unaware of it in general.

Do you know, Jazz, that by citing an open access web journal, International Journal of Remote Sensing, you are effectively leaving the argument you're putting forth open to the same criticisms and debunking tactics used by those who attempted so viciously to discredit Steven Jones and his thermite research?

Can't you find a hard copy, truly peer-reviewed and widely read and respected journal paper somewhere to back you up? Even if you can, do you truly have faith in the peer-review process after all the shocks it's had in recent years?

Can't say I do.


ed. @crystal's reference to tarot cards. I thought that cobweb reference came from something like the Hopi prophecies, but I admit I'm not 100% certain where I heard it. Got shivers down my spine when I did though.


“I'm not from earth. I'm here on a research project. I'm preparing a paper on the psychosomatic ailments of pre-Apocalyptic condominium dwellers.”
-Sappho, Ash Ock

The Mushrooms once said to me "You must have a plan. If you don't have a plan, you will become part of someone else's plan."
-Terence McKenna
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07-13-2010, 01:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-13-2010, 01:48 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
Obviously the scientists don't refer to tarot cards, for a few reasons
Reasons are given below.

Do you know, Jazz, that by citing an open access web journal, International Journal of Remote Sensing, you are effectively leaving the argument you're putting forth open to the same criticisms and debunking tactics used by those who attempted so viciously to discredit Steven Jones and his thermite research?
I picked it because it was relevant to the topic. I rather bet it WAS reviewed, and it doesn't appear to be flawed.
Jones's "thermite research" IS flawed, which is why it lurks, un-peer-reviewed, where it is. Any engineer or scientist versed in high-energy mechanics knows why: those "thermite" materials are also created by high-speed impacts similar to THIS:


Can't you find a hard copy, truly peer-reviewed and widely read and respected journal paper somewhere to back you up?
Here's another (there are hundreds to choose from - P. Minnis managed 153 papers personally over a quarter-century):
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/atlas_JAMC2006.pdf

Even if you can, do you truly have faith in the peer-review process after all the shocks it's had in recent years? Can't say I do.
Science doesn't like lies and myths. In the world of science, that is FRAUD and DECEPTION. THAT is why there are peer reviews. Smear them if you like, but you have NOTHING OF GREATER UTILITY to replace them with - so you're pissing into the wind.

I thought that cobweb reference came from something like the Hopi prophecies, but I admit I'm not 100% certain where I heard it. Got shivers down my spine when I did though.
WIKI - Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad, who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness". In statistics, apophenia would be classed as a type I error (false positive, false alarm, caused by an excess in sensitivity). Apophenia is often used as an explanation of paranormal and religious claims, and can also explain a belief in pseudoscience. Conrad originally described this phenomenon in relation to the distortion of reality present in psychosis, but it has become more widely used to describe this tendency in healthy individuals without necessarily implying the presence of neurological differences or mental illness.
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07-13-2010, 03:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-13-2010, 03:47 PM by scaramanga667.)
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RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
(07-13-2010, 01:47 PM)JazzRoc Wrote: I rather bet it WAS reviewed, and it doesn't appear to be flawed.

You BET it was, but you don't know. It doesn't APPEAR to be flawed, but you don't know.

Sounding more and more like JREF tosser debunking to me. I've seen all those and many more empty bravado rebuttals many times on the JREF, as well as the tendency to use wiki as a reference for what you agree with, but to revile it as a reference for anything that anyone else thinks.

I'm the first to admit I don't know the truth about what's going on, but I don't suck the cock of a rotten peer review system as a way to keep the monsters at bay.

There may be nothing of greater utility to use instead, but that doesn't mean the system we have works.


“I'm not from earth. I'm here on a research project. I'm preparing a paper on the psychosomatic ailments of pre-Apocalyptic condominium dwellers.”
-Sappho, Ash Ock

The Mushrooms once said to me "You must have a plan. If you don't have a plan, you will become part of someone else's plan."
-Terence McKenna
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07-13-2010, 05:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-13-2010, 05:10 PM by JazzRoc.)
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RE: chemtrails, while you sleep
(07-13-2010, 03:46 PM)scaramanga667 Wrote: You BET it was, but you don't know. It doesn't APPEAR to be flawed, but you don't know.
Contrail observations over Southern and Eastern Asia in NOAA/AVHRR data and comparisons to contrail simulations in a GCM.
Authors: R. Meyera; R. Buellb; C. Leiterc; H. Mannsteinb; S. Pechtlbd; T. Okie; P. Wendlinga
Affiliations: SunTechnics GmbH, D-20537 Hamburg, DLR - Oberpfaffenhofen, Institut fur Physik der Atmosphlre, Wessling, Science and Computing AG, Munchen, Institute for Environmental Physics, University of Heidelberg, Germany. Institute of Industrial Science, University of Tokyo, Tokyo 153-8505, Japan.

Its originators and authors are pukka, as are the tools used, the reasoning employed, and the conclusions drawn. It is indistinguishable from most modern papers in style and construction. If you actually sit down and do the maths it works out.

Quote:Sounding more and more like JREF tosser debunking to me. I've seen all those and many more empty bravado rebuttals many times on the JREF, as well as the tendency to use wiki as a reference for what you agree with, but to revile it as a reference for anything that anyone else thinks.
I don't DO that latter action. I'm beginning to want to drag you line-by-line through the paper kicking and screaming.

Quote:I'm the first to admit I don't know the truth about what's going on, but I don't suck the cock of a rotten peer review system as a way to keep the monsters at bay.
Bearing in mind that chemtrailers invariably project their personal qualities on people who oppose them, I gather you're a cock-sucking tosser.
Well I am NOT. I went to school, qualified and became an engineer without sucking anyone's cock.
Peer review is normally conducted BLIND. Nobody wants bad science to get through. An element of DUPLICATION is also required. In the case of atmospheric studies, the new results are compared with past studies of similar subjects.

Quote:There may be nothing of greater utility to use instead, but that doesn't mean the system we have works.
But you're "the first to admit" you "don't know the truth about what's going on".
So WHY the meaningless assertions?
You are living in a world of science that doesn't work?
Say hello to someone who helped give you the power to MAKE those meaningless assertions at long range. Hi. Nice to meet you. My flies are zipped.
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