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Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
02-24-2010, 07:47 AM,
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Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
This thread inspired by a fag thread on the tracker to be found here:

HOMO-GENIZ-NATION
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=14501

I wasn't quite sure where to post this thread as it spans the political, zionism, mass media, culture, science, health, morality, education, the occult and the religious topics. A sort of topic like abortion is. I decided on here so if this is mis-categorized I can blame god(s).

I was thinking on mirroring it here to put things in the correct context without to much editing but I'll simply start it off by echoing my points and extending an invitation to all those on the tracker side of the discussion.


Homosexuality as Perversion?

There are segments of both homosexual and heterosexual micro-culture that is ultra promiscuous but bis take the cake on this one.

Generally there is two types of gay sex, there are fags who are sexually attracted to men and then there are those that want to fuck/rape men to assert their dominance over them, sometimes while banging the dude's wife at the same time. There are also those who want to be dominated.

You can further break down the former into lust/love and everything in-between. There you have it pretty much the same categories as heterosexual populace.

I think that if there was less of the lust and domination sex and more of the loving genre of bumping uglies. No matter what the sexual preference it would translate to a society that had stronger relationships since there would be more of an emphasis on emotional needs rather than only the animalistic.

Steroids as the Anti-Gay Pill?

Quote:People are becoming gay, because of chemicals in the environment. Look, I have a Bachelor of Science in Biochemistry and am about to get another degree in Pharmacy.

START USING STEROIDS! CHECK OUT PROVIRON AND LETROZOLE!
~joe "the pusher" blow Smile

@Mr.Blow- Nice to have your biochem/pharma skillz on board. Personally I think it it best to avoid chemicals for yourself and your children when you can but is increasing testosterone, reducing estrogen via chemical therapy a safe alternative? I might be brainwashed by some MSM reports on the testosterone - I already know that testosterone does not induce rage. Is there any decent unbiased, uncorrupted and neutral references on the real effects of steroids?

For those on creatin to bulk up, check this forum post on caseins.

Dairy Byproduct Dangers - Casein: The Cause of Fast Food Addiction?
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=31217

More on Environmental Feminization of Males

BPA plastics (in everything from toys to baby bottles) are cited as a serious threat in the feminization of boys inutero and out and it decreases sperm counts drastically.

CBC DocZone - The Disappearing Male
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7530701744597358451#
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=3419

Related Thread: Plastic chemicals 'feminise boys'
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=30318

Culture Influences or Human Nature?

.. Bathhouses, 70s style sensitivity training, whore houses, massage parlours, bankers retreats, church retreats, Teacher's conventions, The Janitor's room in a high school at lunch time, Boy Scout sleepovers, Las Vegas, Bohemian Grove, band camp or prison.

It don't matter on the where so much as it does to the nature and context of the relationship.

People fuck if given the opportunity. It's a promiscuous culture thing driven by overt and covert forces in the media and permeates to all segments of society and morality via groupthink and mac daddy, doucebag, sexually liberated accolades. This feeds on and perverts the basic drives of companionship vs loneliness and equates lust to love. The roots of this trace back to some factions and interpretations of the sexual revolution, the porn industry, the gay movement, sex as an art form and women's liberation.

This type of thinking and acceptance turns what was once an act of bonding in love, monogamous solidarity and mutual companionship into a increasingly casual act of using human beings as vessels for getting off on eachother.

Fags are People Too

I honestly don't care who fucks who but AIDS patients should be quarantined or ultra careful and gay men are statistically prone to getting the disease 20,000+ victims get AIDS without any risk factors[1]. Bottom line get tested gay or not, don't share needles, swap spit and cough on people if you got AIDS and condoms don't work[1]. .. and Yes AIDS is real and manifests itself in peeps with shit immune systems + fluid swapping lifestyles and snowballs from there - at least that's how I see it atm.

[1] Jay Diamond - Dr.Lorraine Day - AIDS -1994 Interview (removed from tracker) I'll re-up it if requested.

I Heart Fags - MC Frontalot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32K0nq0u0f0

I post this thread not to present facts (I don't have the resources or the time to dig into this topic) so much as to encourage discussion on the discussion board.

Quote:Sodomy rocks, find a pretty girl to wear a strapon and fuck you sometime.
~TimeLady
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02-24-2010, 05:32 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Homosexuality is insanity. Most don't know how to tell the difference between Masculine and Feminine mental genders, and the physical ones. Physically, we are only one sex or the other, though consciously we are both. Women are naturally more in tune with femininity, and likewise with men and masculinity. Obviously, by look at these flamboyant gay guys, men can be feminine, which proves my point. BUT, that doesn't mean you need suck dick - that part makes no sense. Just because some guy feels more feminine naturally, instead of overtly masculine, doesn't mean he needs to go around and fuck guys. Insanity.

The hypocrisy is ridiculous too. Take dykes, for example. They absolutely hate men, but don't mind wearing men clothing, getting boyish haircuts, and possibly even trying to grow a mustache. Insanity.

Sex is both an act of love and creation. Creating life out of love. Anyone who has ever been in love and has had sex knows that it is the mental connection with the partner is what matters, as that connection in itself is pleasurable. But most know nothing of this. Instead, they just rub body parts together like a bunch of fucking retards.

This isn't a "man/woman" problem, its a human psychological issue (like all things): toxicity, perversion, etc are all psychological issues, which is a skewed and flawed vision, or lack thereof, of reality. Any sane person sees this.
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04-03-2010, 12:48 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
milf madness!

http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=13682

http://sophiastewart.unn13.com/interview.html
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04-03-2010, 04:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-03-2010, 04:25 PM by ---.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Quote:In the Mysteries, Adam is accredited with having the peculiar power of spiritual generation. Instead of reproducing his kind by the physical generative processes, he caused to issue from himself--or, more correctly, to be reflected upon substance--a shadow of



p. 128

himself. This shadow he then ensouled and it became a living creature. These shadows, however, remain only as long as the original figure of which they are the reflections endures, for with the removal of the original the host of likenesses vanish with it. Herein is the key to the allegorical creation of Eve out of the side of Adam; for Adam, representative of the idea or pattern, is reflected into the material universe as a multitude of ensouled images which collectively are designated Eve. According to another theory, the division of the sexes took place in the archetypal sphere; hence the shadows in the lower world were divided into two classes consistent with the orders established in the Archetype. In the apparently incomprehensible attraction of one sex for the other Plato recognized a cosmic urge toward reunion of the severed halves of this archetypal Being.

Exactly what is to be inferred by the division of the sexes as symbolically described in Genesis is a much-debated question. That man was primarily androgynous is quite universally conceded and it is a reasonable presumption that he will ultimately regain this bisexual state. As to the manner in which this will be accomplished two opinions are advanced. One school of thought affirms that the human soul was actually divided into two parts (male and female) and that man remains an unperfected creature until these parts are reunited through the emotion which man calls love. From this concept has grown the much-abused doctrine of "soul mates" who must quest through the ages until the complementary part of each severed soul is discovered. The modern concept of marriage is to a certain degree founded upon this ideal.

According to the other school, the so-called division of the sexes resulted from suppression of one pole of the androgynous being in order that the vital energies manifesting through it might be diverted to development of the rational faculties. From this point of view man is still actually androgynous and spiritually complete, but in the material world the feminine part of man's nature and the masculine part of woman's nature are quiescent. Through spiritual unfoldment and knowledge imparted by the Mysteries, however, the latent element in each nature is gradually brought into activity and ultimately the human being thus regains sexual equilibrium. By this theory woman is elevated from the position of being man's errant part to one of complete equality. From this point of view, marriage is regarded as a companionship in which two complete individualities manifesting opposite polarities are brought into association that each may thereby awaken the qualities latent in the other and thus assist in the attainment of individual completeness. The first theory may be said to regard marriage as an end; the second as a means to an end. The deeper schools of philosophy have leaned toward the latter as more adequately acknowledging the infinite potentialities of divine completeness in both aspects of creation.

The Christian Church is fundamentally opposed to the theory of marriage, claiming that the highest degree of spirituality is achievable only by those preserving the virginal state. This concept seemingly originated among certain sects of the early Gnostic Christians, who taught that to propagate the human species was to increase and perpetuate the power of the Demiurgus; for the lower world was looked upon as an evil fabrication created to ensnare the souls of all born into it--hence it was a crime to assist in bringing souls to earth. When, therefore, the unfortunate father or mother shall stand before the Final Tribunal, all their offspring will also appear and accuse them of being the cause of those miseries attendant upon physical existence. This view is strengthened by the allegory of Adam and Eve, whose sin through which humanity has been brought low is universally admitted to have been concerned with the mystery of generation. Mankind, owing to Father Adam its physical existence, regards its progenitor as the primary cause of its misery; and in the judgment Day, rising up as a mighty progeny, will accuse its common paternal ancestor.

Those Gnostic sects maintaining a more rational attitude on the subject declared the very existence of the lower worlds to signify that the Supreme Creator had a definite purpose in their creation; to doubt his judgment was, therefore, a grievous error. The church, however, seemingly arrogated to itself the astonishing prerogative of correcting God in this respect, for wherever possible it continued to impose celibacy, a practice resulting in an alarming number of neurotics. In the Mysteries, celibacy is reserved for those who have reached a certain degree of spiritual unfoldment. When advocated for the mass of unenlightened humanity, however, it becomes a dangerous heresy, fatal alike to both religion and philosophy. As Christendom in its fanaticism has blamed every individual Jew for the crucifixion of Jesus, so with equal consistency it has maligned every member of the feminine sex. In vindication of Eve philosophy claims that the allegory signifies merely that man is tempted by his emotions to depart from the sure path of reason.

Many of the early Church Fathers sought to establish a direct relationship between Adam and Christ, thereby obviously discounting the extremely sinful nature of man's common ancestor, since it is quite certain that when St. Augustine likens Adam to Christ and Eve to the church he does not intend to brand the latter institution as the direct cause of the fall of man. For some inexplicable reason, however, religion has ever regarded intellectualism--in fact every form of knowledge--as fatal to man's spiritual growth. The Ignaratitine Friars are an outstanding example of this attitude.

In this ritualistic drama--possibly derived from the Egyptians--Adam, banished from the Garden of Eden, represents man philosophically exiled from the sphere of Truth. Through ignorance man falls; through wisdom he redeems himself. The Garden of Eden represents the House of the Mysteries (see The Vision of Enoch) in the midst of which grew both the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Man, the banished Adam, seeks to pass from the outer court of the Sanctuary (the exterior universe) into the sanctum sanctorum, but before him rises a vast creature armed with a flashing sword that, moving slowly but continually, sweeps clear a wide circle, and through this "Ring Pass Not" the Adamic man cannot break.

The cherubim address the seeker thus: "Man, thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return. Thou wert fashioned by the Builder of Forms; thou belongest to the sphere of form, and the breath that was breathed into thy soul was the breath of form and like a flame it shall flicker out. More than thou art thou canst not be. Thou art a denizen of the outer world and it is forbidden thee to enter this inner place."

And the Adam replies: "Many times have I stood within this courtyard and begged admission to my Father's house and thou hast refused it me and sent me back to wander in darkness. True it is that I was fashioned out of the dirt and that my Maker could not confer upon me the boon of immortality. But no more shalt thou send me away; for, wandering in the darkness, I have discovered that the Almighty hath decreed my salvation because He hath sent out of the most hidden Mystery His Only Begotten who didst take upon Himself the world fashioned by the Demiurgus. Upon the elements of that world was He crucified and from Him hath poured forth the blood of my salvation. And God, entering into His creation, hath quickened it and established therein a road that leadeth to Himself. While my Maker could not give me immortality, immortality was inherent in the very dust of which I was composed, for before the world was fabricated and before the Demiurgus became the Regent of Nature the Eternal Life had impressed itself upon the face of Cosmos. This is its sign--the Cross. Do you now deny me entrance, I who have at last learned the mystery of myself?"

And the voice replies: "He who is aware, IS! Behold!"

Gazing about him, Adam finds himself in a radiant place, in the midst of which stands a tree with flashing jewels for fruit and entwined about its trunk a flaming, winged serpent crowned with a diadem of stars. It was the voice of the serpent that had spoken.

"Who art thou?" demands the Adam.

"I," the serpent answers, "am Satan who was stoned; I am the Adversary--the Lord who is against you, the one who pleads for your destruction before the Eternal Tribunal. I was your enemy upon the day that you were formed; I have led you into temptation; I have delivered you into the hands of evil; I have maligned you; I have striven ever to achieve your undoing. I am the guardian of the Tree of Knowledge and I have sworn that none whom I can lead astray shall partake of its fruits."

The Adam replies: "For uncounted ages have I been thy servant. In my ignorance I listened to thy words and they led me into paths of sorrow. Thou hast placed in my mind dreams of power, and when I struggled to realize those dreams they brought me naught but pain. Thou hast sowed in me the seeds of desire, and when I lusted after the things of the flesh agony was my only recompense. Thou hast sent me false prophets and false reasoning, and when I strove to grasp the magnitude of Truth I found thy laws were false and only dismay rewarded my strivings. I am done with thee forever, O artful Spirit! I have tired of thy world of illusions. No longer will I labor in thy vineyards of iniquity. Get thee behind me, rempter, and the host of thy temptations. There is no happiness, no peace, no good, no future in the doctrines of selfishness, hate, and passion preached by thee. All these things do I cast aside. Renounced is thy rule forever!"

And the serpent makes answer: "Behold, O Adam, the nature of thy Adversary!" The serpent disappears in a blinding sunburst of radiance and in its place stands an angel resplendent in shining, golden garments with great scarlet wings that spread from one corner of the heavens to the other. Dismayed and awestruck, the Adam falls before the divine creature.

"I am the Lord who is against thee and thus accomplishes thy salvation, " continues the voice. "Thou hast hated me, but through the ages yet to be thou shalt bless me, for I have led thee our of the sphere of the Demiurgus; I have turned thee against the illusion of worldliness; I have weaned thee of desire; I have awakened in thy soul the immortality of which I myself partake. Follow me, O Adam, for I am the Way, the Life, and the Truth!"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta30.htm
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04-12-2010, 09:39 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Since history began there have been homosexuals!!!!

cant you people see its no deeper than a sexual preference? some guys like fat girls, thin girls, they get hard over short girls, tall girls. some like to be shat on for gods sake!!! you think a guy on another guy is weird?? take a look at the internet this minute!!!! you will find girls trying to fit fish up themselves!! Its all just something to get a guy hard. and sorry, a virgin just isn't as sexy as you think.
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04-13-2010, 04:52 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
I argue more against the human emotion of love vs the animalistic drive for sex for both homo and heterosexuality. There is more of a chemical predisposition because of gender bending chemicals and the blatant promotion of risky lifestyles (casual sex). Sex is being construed not as an act of love but increasingly as an acceptable using of another human being as a sexual object (lust).

We can trace this trend back to the sexual revolution, Kinsey, Planned Parenthood, Women's Liberation and the bombardment of media (porn etc.) that is degrading the relationship dynamic akin to the fall of Rome (orgies coupled with gratuitous violence). It takes away a part of us that is human. This dehumanization leads to drive a wedge between people and the casualties are a empathy and the virtue of chastity.

Short term gain, an instant gratification society and a system built around quarterly profit models all serve to encourage the vices laid out previously. The primary reason media has such an influence is because people are apt and trained to be led and to conform and obey. Look no further than any pyramid / ladder / hierarchy system - education, corporate, government for examples. A strong set of virtues on a very personal level from enough people would be enough to combat this wave and encourage people to avoid the media that seeks to program their morality.

Personal growth needs to happen in each individual by first recognizing then acting on the fact that their minds and body are a temple - you are what you eat and don't shit out. This applies to your intellectual and emotional level as well. Filters created by a strong will and moral compass need to be in place to stand a chance against this mental and emotional onslaught of manipulative programming. There are too many adult children begging for guidance and support from the nanny state as it is now. This is largely due to a lack of personal accountability and vestment in virtuous thought and action.

noticed how these infections in society tie in to the seven deadly sins more or less.

Originally there were 11 but there is some overlap:

Extravagance
Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Acedia
Despair
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride
Vainglory

In opposition to the seven virtues (citing Catholicism) that oppose the seven vices:

Vice: Lust
Inclusive of: Concupiscence, Debauchery, Extravagance, Nymphomania, Seduction
Opposing Virtue: Chastity

Vice: Gluttony
Opposing Virtue: Temperance

Vice: Greed
Opposing Virtue: Charity

Vice: Sloth
Inclusive of: Apathy, Boredom, Despair, Indifference, Laziness
Opposing Virtue: Diligence

Vice: Wrath
Inclusive of: War, Fear, Anger, Hatred, Suffering, Revenge, Murder
Opposing Virtue: Patience

Vice: Envy
Inclusive of: Anxiety, Cruelty, Possessiveness, Prejudice, Resentment
Opposing Virtue: Kindness

Vice: Pride
Inclusive of: Egotism, Hubris, Idolatry, Narcissism, Vanity
Opposing Virtue: Humility

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

On a basic level systems and the people in them need to instill virtuous values, morals and practices.

Once people are drawn away from their consumption of loveless sex and media (among other sins) that pollute their body and mind they will look for other feedback loops such as the community outlet. That can be used to collectively re-enforce morals and ideology face to face to better reflect the true inherent human values (moral virtues) and intent of the individual collective. This can hopefully take place with some good productive thinking and serious discussion involved in the process to translate that will into systems (corporations, banks, law, government ..) to pass on to future generations of humanity.
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07-08-2011, 09:08 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-08-2011, 09:09 AM by Infinite.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
I think sexual freedom is a good thing, just like every other kind of freedom. Too much puritanism in this thread. Puritanism, repression, that's the real enemy. A lot of the 'loveless sex' that's out there might be a result of the indoctrination from churches, parents and schools that sex is evil and thus can't be associated with love. I personally think that repression of heterosexuality is what creates a lot of homosexuality!
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07-08-2011, 09:41 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
rsol Wrote:Since history began there have been homosexuals!!!!

cant you people see its no deeper than a sexual preference? some guys like fat girls, thin girls, they get hard over short girls, tall girls. some like to be shat on for gods sake!!! you think a guy on another guy is weird?? take a look at the internet this minute!!!! you will find girls trying to fit fish up themselves!! Its all just something to get a guy hard. and sorry, a virgin just isn't as sexy as you think.
spot on!
infinite Wrote:I think sexual freedom is a good thing, just like every other kind of freedom. Too much puritanism in this thread. Puritanism, repression, that's the real enemy. A lot of the 'loveless sex' that's out there might be a result of the indoctrination from churches, parents and schools that sex is evil and thus can't be associated with love. I personally think that repression of heterosexuality is what creates a lot of homosexuality!
the last line though... nah.. as rsol said, some guys get hard at some thing and not at others.. some get hard at anything(just plain greedy!)
just look at the Greeks, especially those famous 300 Spartans, who kicked ass with leonidis!
homosexuality was a state law there..LOL
"man for pleasure and women for duty" is a wee turn of phrase from around those times.
and who could argue that the Spartans were not tough as hell, legendary soldiers.. manly types..... who also happened to like a bit of bum and why not?
what-ever floats yer boat, as long as it doesn't sink mine i say!
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07-09-2011, 01:54 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Infinite Wrote:I think sexual freedom is a good thing, just like every other kind of freedom. Too much puritanism in this thread. Puritanism, repression, that's the real enemy.

I guess it depends, lets ask Aldous Huxley:

'As political and economic freedom diminishes,
sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.

And the dictator (unless he needs cannon fodder
and families with which to colonize empty or
conquered territories) will do well to encourage
that freedom. In conjunction with the freedom to
daydream under the influence of dope and movies
and the radio, it will help to reconcile his subjects
to the servitude which is their fate.'


Should I repress my urge to evoke my freedom to physically assault people I don't like?
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07-09-2011, 03:27 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-09-2011, 03:28 AM by Melchor.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-08-2011, 09:41 AM)pax681 Wrote:
rsol Wrote:Since history began there have been homosexuals!!!!

cant you people see its no deeper than a sexual preference? some guys like fat girls, thin girls, they get hard over short girls, tall girls. some like to be shat on for gods sake!!! you think a guy on another guy is weird?? take a look at the internet this minute!!!! you will find girls trying to fit fish up themselves!! Its all just something to get a guy hard. and sorry, a virgin just isn't as sexy as you think.
spot on!
infinite Wrote:I think sexual freedom is a good thing, just like every other kind of freedom. Too much puritanism in this thread. Puritanism, repression, that's the real enemy. A lot of the 'loveless sex' that's out there might be a result of the indoctrination from churches, parents and schools that sex is evil and thus can't be associated with love. I personally think that repression of heterosexuality is what creates a lot of homosexuality!
the last line though... nah.. as rsol said, some guys get hard at some thing and not at others.. some get hard at anything(just plain greedy!)
just look at the Greeks, especially those famous 300 Spartans, who kicked ass with leonidis!
homosexuality was a state law there..LOL
"man for pleasure and women for duty" is a wee turn of phrase from around those times.
and who could argue that the Spartans were not tough as hell, legendary soldiers.. manly types..... who also happened to like a bit of bum and why not?
what-ever floats yer boat, as long as it doesn't sink mine i say!

Many good points guys. This topic is also yet another indication of how fundamentalist Christianity has infected much of the conspiracy discussion on a wide variety of topics and stifled people's ability to think rationally. Antipathy toward empiricism and science and hostility toward responsibly dealing with our environment are two other topics that come to mind beside the currently discussed antiquated notions of sexuality being a moral issue.

r.r. Wrote:Should I repress my urge to evoke my freedom to physically assault people I don't like?


Yes, because unlike sexual attitudes assaulting people is inherently and directly harmful to individuals and society. Sexual attitudes and practices can be harmful but only if they cause harmful indirect effects. Casual sex, as an example, (since FT brought it up) has mainly been considered harmful because of unwanted pregnancy, disease, and negative mental health impacts. The first two are easily preventable harms and the third is more a fault of poor emotional development. Beating someone up is, on the other hand, harmful in of itself.
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07-09-2011, 04:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-09-2011, 04:35 AM by R.R.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Melchor Wrote:Yes, because unlike sexual attitudes assaulting people is inherently and directly harmful to individuals and society. Sexual attitudes and practices can be harmful but only if they cause harmful indirect effects. Casual sex, as an example, (since FT brought it up) has mainly been considered harmful because of unwanted pregnancy, disease, and negative mental health impacts. The first two are easily preventable harms and the third is more a fault of poor emotional development. Beating someone up is, on the other hand, harmful in of itself.

Agreed, BUT NOT as pertains to the initial statement to which the remark was aimed at:

Infinite Wrote:I think sexual freedom is a good thing, just like every other kind of freedom. Too much puritanism in this thread. Puritanism, repression, that's the real enemy.

I agree in principle with freedom, just not 'if it feels good, do it'. Freedom with responsibilty for your own actions and as pertains to sexuality, I'd add another harmful effect with the idea of affairs especially when two people have decided to get married and devote themselves to each other is very harmful to all parties and society aswell depending on how tight knit the community is. But perhaps that is poor emotional development by the masses and being influenced by Christianity, therefore lets all share our wives, except I'm not married so I get all pieces of the 'pie' - its freedom remember, if you say no you must be some kind of puritan, now pull your pants down bitch!

Joking aside I'm sure something similar happened in Soviet Russia where women were assaulted because they did not take part in the sexually liberating activities to prove how free they were. I think it was Soviet Russia anyway, perhaps someone can confirm or correct that.

Anyway freedom is supposed to bring with it the ability to say no. If you don't factor that in you are no different to the tyrants who don't take no for an answer. Calling it puritanism is pretty silly and while I agree a lot of conspiritorial thinking has heavy elements derived from Christianity, it is very stupid to merely do the opposite because you dislike Christianity and see it as a way of 'getting one back' against it. Just like many other things, it has some good teachings and some bad but don't throw the baby out with the bath water (unless it is out-of-wedlock or you don't have much issue with abortion).

A lot of this line of thinking reminds me of Ayn Rand how people are using freedom as a mask for selfishness.

The reason I mentioned Huxley is because Brave New World and Orwell's 1984 are the two opposing proposed systems laid out for the future and, to paraphrase Neil Postman, in 1984 people were controlled by inflicting pain, while in Brave New World people were controlled by inflicting pleasure, 1984's fear was that which we hate would ruin us, while Brave New World's fear was that which we love would ruin us.

I'll add that Orwell mentioned his vision of humanity's future being a boot stomping on a human face for eternity as a metaphor for the method of control, Huxley's is perhaps a bare foot in the face of a person with a foot fetish.
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07-09-2011, 05:53 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-09-2011, 04:32 AM)R.R Wrote: I agree in principle with freedom, just not 'if it feels good, do it'. Freedom with responsibilty for your own actions and as pertains to sexuality, I'd add another harmful effect with the idea of affairs especially when two people have decided to get married and devote themselves to each other is very harmful to all parties and society aswell depending on how tight knit the community is. But perhaps that is poor emotional development by the masses and being influenced by Christianity, therefore lets all share our wives, except I'm not married so I get all pieces of the 'pie' - its freedom remember, if you say no you must be some kind of puritan, now pull your pants down bitch!

Affairs aren't harmful because the participants are acting outside of some long term monogamous relationship nor are they harmful because they are engaged in 'if it feels good, do it" thinking. Affairs are harmful because the participants are not fulfilling obligations that they have taken on, which is why it's called cheating.

But to say that long term monogamous relationships are the right or only way to deal with sexuality does not logically follow. As long as people are aware of what rules they are playing by and actually follow those rules, what those rules are is somewhat irrelevant.
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07-09-2011, 06:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-09-2011, 06:35 PM by R.R.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Melchor Wrote:Affairs aren't harmful because the participants are acting outside of some long term monogamous relationship nor are they harmful because they are engaged in 'if it feels good, do it" thinking.

I didn't say they were harmful because of 'if it feels good, do it thinking', I said:

R.R Wrote:I agree in principle with freedom, just not 'if it feels good, do it'. Freedom with responsibilty for your own actions and as pertains to sexuality, I'd add another harmful effect with the idea of affairs

Mainly because you left that out:

Melchor Wrote:Sexual attitudes and practices can be harmful but only if they cause harmful indirect effects. Casual sex, as an example, (since FT brought it up) has mainly been considered harmful because of unwanted pregnancy, disease, and negative mental health impacts. The first two are easily preventable harms and the third is more a fault of poor emotional development.

Affairs were an addition because you left it out of your consideration of harmful effects emenating from sexual activities.

Melchor Wrote:But to say that long term monogamous relationships are the right or only way to deal with sexuality does not logically follow.

I agree with the statement but I never said 'long term monogamous relationships are the right or only way to deal with sexuality', please show where I did.

I was merely saying don't mix up people exercising their right to say no with Christian values or basically trying to insinuate some kind of societal brainwashing to get you to say no. Even if we do follow that reasoning, the opposite would also be true such as elements like peer pressure get you to do things that you wouldn't want to do. It works both ways and that was also the point of bringing up Huxley, most assume dictatorships have to follow some angry militant personality type when the opposite can be as equally effective.

Melchor Wrote:As long as people are aware of what rules they are playing by and actually follow those rules, what those rules are is somewhat irrelevant.

Agreed. I have no issue with 'fucking around', merely the method.
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07-10-2011, 01:18 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
the crux of this "argument" is that to be gay is a choice made by a person consciously. they have chosen to be gay.

This principle is told to us by people who ARE gay and have CHOSEN to be straight.

To be afraid of a homosexual is to be afraid of your own sexuality, for fear of being "turned". the fact is, if you are gay you probably will. no wonder you dont want to see it you fucking poofs! Smile
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07-10-2011, 05:28 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-10-2011, 01:18 AM)rsol Wrote: To be afraid of a homosexual is to be afraid of your own sexuality, for fear of being "turned". the fact is, if you are gay you probably will. no wonder you dont want to see it you fucking poofs! Smile
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! LOL LOL LOL

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