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Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
07-10-2011, 05:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-10-2011, 05:58 AM by Deathaniel.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-09-2011, 01:54 AM)R.R Wrote: Should I repress my urge to evoke my freedom to physically assault people I don't like?
I vote no you shouldn't!!! ! that would bring back civility and politeness
but what do i know so far as i read this thread i'm sure my Riker ideologies would not be popular. sex is free and fun why not enjoy it and the more the merrier, i mean to have a pitch hitter is ok in baseball why not in the bedroom?

Play safe and consensual beyond that not much to argue, except from those who don't enjoy the vibrant sexual life style
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AS for christians and puritan attitudes it's part of the grander plan to keep the family weak with the lie of monogamy, the true path is described in the bible most have more then one wife, most non christian belief systems buy into this natural way of thinking of one man several mates it's nature, if it's cock that rubs you right then Its natural you'd want more then one hence the promiscuity in that sub culture
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07-10-2011, 10:22 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
I could put it like this....

right now, this very moment. somewhere two guys are fucking each other, hard, the one behind is giving the other a reach around while making the other guy's ring sore like you wouldn't believe......

can you feel it??


Thats right, no you cant. Because ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS...
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07-12-2011, 11:46 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
If it's none of my business then why are some of them making it my business by thrusting it in the face of government, religion, education, parades, law, media and all that. Don't ask, Don't tell.

But by all means be yourself. If that is what you truly are and it's not some influence outside of you.

The explosion of homosexuality is a disturbing trend. I feel it is disproportionately represented in all areas to the true nature of our species (I don't buy that 10% number). Homosexual culture has become a way in for acceptance for teens who are just discovering their sexuality. I've seen a lot of flip flop in sexual preference later on in life by those who come out of the closet, and I'm sure there are plenty more that don't. It's aimed directly at them. By itself it's not really a big deal nothing against gays but the way gay culture is framed and promoted.

I don't tell people what to do but I will make an observation as to what has unfolded in this latest slice of time, my children's generation. The facts point to a destruction of the family unit, increased promiscuity and relationships based around on both sides and on the gender preference fence.

This thread was intended not to be about the polarized debate of homosexual acceptance. It is as the title states.

Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity

.. or Lust, Treating People as Sexual Things, What it is Doing to Us Collectively and Individually and Why Sexual Revolution 2.0 is happening if you prefer that in place of Perversion.

Gay vs Straight is just a slice, really a distraction, of the bigger picture. I state that as fact not opinion.
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07-18-2011, 07:07 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-12-2011, 11:46 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: If it's none of my business then why are some of them making it my business by thrusting it in the face of government, religion, education, parades, law, media and all that. Don't ask, Don't tell.

But by all means be yourself. If that is what you truly are and it's not some influence outside of you.

What you're referring to is more of a cultural attitude with the more activist portions of the gay community. IMO it's no different than people diagnosed with "mental disorders" such as bi-polar disorder or ADHD using their label as license to act like dicks. Really flaming gays are doing the same thing IMO and it has nothing to do with their gayness. Other examples include cops being assholes because of the badge, road rage, etc... It's about people adopting a label and role as their personality and playing up to it.

(07-12-2011, 11:46 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: The explosion of homosexuality is a disturbing trend.
Care to elaborate on those assertions? What explosion? Why is it disturbing?

(07-12-2011, 11:46 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: I don't tell people what to do but I will make an observation as to what has unfolded in this latest slice of time, my children's generation. The facts point to a destruction of the family unit, increased promiscuity and relationships based around on both sides and on the gender preference fence.

So are you asserting that promiscuity is leading to the destruction of the family unit (by which I assume you mean the western style nuclear family) or is it some other non-causal condition? You could do a better job of sorting out what you think is causation from correlation in your argument.

(07-12-2011, 11:46 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: This thread was intended not to be about the polarized debate of homosexual acceptance. It is as the title states.

A more concise and better supported argument as opposed to starting the thread by posting two homosexual specific C&P might have lessened the topic drift.

(07-12-2011, 11:46 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity

.. or Lust, Treating People as Sexual Things, What it is Doing to Us Collectively and Individually and Why Sexual Revolution 2.0 is happening if you prefer that in place of Perversion.

Just some general thoughts to sum up: The love/lust distinction is an over simplification. The family unit is more heavily influenced by economics than anything. Promiscuity has always existed and is probably to a degree a necessary biological imperative. To the extent that promiscuity has increased, increases in opportunity (mainly due to technology and population concentrations) as well as higher discovery rates (again primarily due to technologies) are more significant drivers than cultural influence. Finally, people don't have to violate the categorical imperative to be promiscuous and considering promiscuity inherently harmful is stupid.
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07-19-2011, 12:32 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-18-2011, 07:07 PM)Melchor Wrote: So are you asserting that promiscuity is leading to the destruction of the family unit (by which I assume you mean the western style nuclear family) or is it some other non-causal condition?

I know it wasn't addressed to me, but I would argue that the "western style nuclear family" (which btw is only a fairly new concept, brought about after the war on the family began, in a way the nuclear family was just a replacement of the older wider family unit and community, which was brought about after the destruction of the tribal culture.

Of course there are many factors in this process, in more recent times, some of which have been modern warfare, "careers", the feminist movement, the "sexual revolution", and of course the continuation of the age old plan to shift man's loyalties from love of the divine (possible through the love of the divine within us), back through the love of the tribe/community (love of a 'nation' was never really possible), and back to the primal love of the self and of course this all connects to the Crowley idea of "Do what thou wilt, under love", that love is of the self, and must always be clearly defined.

But then, I could digress into the affect language has had on all this, especially every day modern English (which I often refer to as Newspeak), "I love my children", "I love my town", mad, no? Wink
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07-19-2011, 04:27 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Economy is certainly a part of the destruction of family. Family was once encompassed as a far reaching multi-generational unit. It has been replaced by the state, corporate relationships and a growing circle of sexual partners. Look to Black Americans and Chinese for examples of once strong cultural bonds of diverse strengths based on family being taken down through welfare, where a mother is offered a state paycheque, conditionally, as long as a man isn't around. A forced to get a job in working longer hours, having two incomes, more homes via the divorce phenomenom so there is certainly a point there.

Gay culture has most of those aspects built in. Two bread-winners and I have entrenched myself with enough local homosexual and bisexual culture to conclude that it is far more perverted and permiscuous than a traditional unit but it is not limited to only them with the advent of "playa" culture, women's liberation and the sexual revolution.

Media appears to have taken this microcosm of society and exaggerated and shaped it and actual culture has followed suit in emulative fashion. Like a trend mentality that has since become engrained.

Disturbing yes. No better way to break up the family unit (old-old school > traditional > ... fuck anything that moves), spread social diseases and create less available reproductive mates. Combine that with birth control, economics and the 'free of children' culture that has crept up and you have a potent recepie for eugenics to boot.

Dunamis makes the point of "love" being tossed around. Loving your children. There is a play there and I've seen some perverse memes being floated around (inserted?) in the social conciousness. To inch us closer to fuck everything that moves, or is animated (hentai, robot sex, werewolf/beastiality sex ..) Isn't that right motherfuckers?!

* Beauty and the Beast
* A surge in incest porn
* The Vampire Culture
* Futurama (esp. the RoboSexual episode)
* An array of robot companions rolling off the shelves
* The boundry of Politically Correct, to prevent one from speaking against or even having a discussion about a wave (programmed or not) of a cultural trend

Sexual expression has certainly taken off and engulfed a large proportion of thinking from my observations. Media cause and effect is debatable but it certainly keeps the feedback loop churning in this respect. Sex more available through hook-ups, a cultural meme like the three date rule has now given way to the one-night stand -- if it feels right.

It can be seen as a vital part of the new self defining relgion where it leads individuals down the path that truth is objective, thus morals so if it feels right do it. No foundation of family or religion necessary except when you go to work where you need to put on your corporate mask and be a good slave.
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07-20-2011, 03:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-20-2011, 03:20 AM by R.R.)
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
FastTadpole Wrote:Economy is certainly a part of the destruction of family. Family was once encompassed as a far reaching multi-generational unit. It has been replaced by the state, corporate relationships and a growing circle of sexual partners. Look to Black Americans and Chinese for examples of once strong cultural bonds of diverse strengths based on family being taken down through welfare, where a mother is offered a state paycheque, conditionally, as long as a man isn't around. A forced to get a job in working longer hours, having two incomes, more homes via the divorce phenomenom so there is certainly a point there.

Family needs to be destroyed because a strong family unit that can provide for themselves tend to defend each other (to the death if necessary), has strong community values and many other attributes which stop modern forms of governmental/central authority dictating to masses of people. Essentially it allows people to live outside of government control and reliance, which is a big no-no in the coming big brother global government.

You raise an interesting point about black Americans and Chinese because, in Britain, many immigrants really do abuse the welfare system but as it destroys the family unit in those cultures (who have strong family traditions stretching back centuries) we can see why it is promoted so much amongst what really are the last vestiges of the family unit (maybe there is a link to the nefarious forms of socialism too with its hatred of the family unit). The behaviours of many of these communities would have their grandfathers spinning in their graves as they came over under the pretense of giving their future grandchildren a better life.

Quote:Gay culture has most of those aspects built in. Two bread-winners and I have entrenched myself with enough local homosexual and bisexual culture to conclude that it is far more perverted and permiscuous than a traditional unit but it is not limited to only them with the advent of "playa" culture, women's liberation and the sexual revolution.

Inspite of homosexuality being a demonstrable historical fact, it has never reached the heights it has today (blaming it on genes is somewhat stupid as surely by now the 'homo-gene' would not have reproduced to todays vast numbers and perhaps shouldn't even exist anymore theoretically - maybe its a bi-gene!). It's modern incarnation seems to be the pursuit of alternative (for the sake of alternative) lifestyles or basically, much like the Marquis de Sade, due to the amount of free time (which needs to be filled with 'interesting' things which is defined by what disgusts the majority of society - thus if homosexuality was a largely accepted phenomenon, I'd wager there wouldn't be as many homosexuals but I digress) and somewhat elitist mindsets (bodybuilding, for example, was a big thing for homosexual men so they could 'prove' their superiority to straight men) these guys have, it seems to be more a luxury rather than an urge, something which generally couldn't exist without an accompanying sick society surrounding it creating the conditions for it.

I've met some homosexuals, some of them are very ordinary, down-to-earth people. Some on the other hand, who preach about brainwashing as a reason for discrimination against them, just happen to be extremely stereotypical (read brainwashed) themselves, with the camp voice and mannerisms, bitchy behaviour, propensity for gossip and 'fashion' which seems more like it was designed to invoke the very reactions they don't like (but fulfills other aspects of themselves for it gives them a reason to bitch).

Thus it is not so much homosexuals that there is an issue with, rather the type of homosexuals. Much like every community, there are good and bad elements amongst them. Unfortunately (as per usual) the more lewd variety seems to be the one presented to most of us and by extension, the type promoted into mass consciousness. Afterall there are hardly promotions of anti-government homosexuals now are they? Rather akin to music, pop culture etc it just happens to be the personality type which is very childlike and irresponsible and thus the very type that requires government protection, strengthening government or the powers behind government in the process. Also this childish type is not the kind of person one can expect to help make a cohesive society, which means in an era of divide and conquer, these people are excellent pawns in the hands of social manipulators.

FastTadpole Wrote:Media appears to have taken this microcosm of society and exaggerated and shaped it and actual culture has followed suit in emulative fashion. Like a trend mentality that has since become engrained.

Absolutely. To reiterate, modern homosexuals are very different (at least the popular type) to their ancient counterparts. I doubt many of them are philosophy loving wrestlers like Plato for example.

FastTadpole Wrote:Disturbing yes. No better way to break up the family unit (old-old school > traditional > ... fuck anything that moves), spread social diseases and create less available reproductive mates. Combine that with birth control, economics and the 'free of children' culture that has crept up and you have a potent recepie for eugenics to boot.

Bingo. These movements are useful tools but once they have served their purpose, the people within them will be thrown in the same prisons/labour camps as the rest of us. Most people like to accuse religion of being a great tool for social manipulation (which is true) but make the mistake that manipulation is intrinsic to religion. They forget that almost anything can be co-opted and we must differentiate between the two. I don't care what a private person does with another person's privates provided it is consensual and in private. The minute anything in modern life becomes mainstream or enters public consciousness, you can be sure there is a longterm agenda behind it designed to fulfill some aspect of an existing longterm strategy.

FastTadpole Wrote:It can be seen as a vital part of the new self defining relgion where it leads individuals down the path that truth is objective, thus morals so if it feels right do it. No foundation of family or religion necessary except when you go to work where you need to put on your corporate mask and be a good slave.

Embedded within these perverse lifestyles are heavy consumerism which necessitates jobs which maintains this evil system we have over us and, as you point out, a variation of some philosophical Hindu themes which are popular today in other fields - creating your own reality (self-defining). Superficially they are nice concepts but just taking India as an example, one has to wonder if these types of philosophical themes help create a pliable population easily compatible with tyrannical regimes - India's history is replete with foreign invasions and little public backlash afterall.

I'd say the majority of perverse behaviours were generally embarked upon by bored upper classes in society right through history up until our modern era. Most people were too busy working hard jobs (for those upper classes) to embark upon the luxury of choosing not just how many sexual partners, but what gender (or even if human) their sexual partners were. It is in this modern era where the working public have been given things such as holidays and more time off (for purposes of managing worker/slave morale) that the perversities are actively embarked upon by a growing proportion of society. I put a lot of it down to the meaninglessness of modern life, which richer people in history tried to fulfill via social activism or charity. The poorer people, often going hungry at least realised the value of food as opposed to the snobs who'd only eat certain types of food - often aswell it had to be at loggerheads with what 'commoners' ate to avoid association with 'lower beings' and to reinforce the elitist mindset. This pursuit of status rears its ugly head in almost every movement today. Today is very meaningless as there are no legitimate challenges anymore merely superficial ones conforming more to keeping up with the Jones' (ironic too as even in our conspiratorial sphere Alex Jones seems to be the benchmark by which other researchers are judged). This leads to the growing perversions we are seeing around us which were more often than not, the domain of societal elites.

Is it really surprising though, when consumerism carries with it the promise to live like a king?
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07-20-2011, 06:45 AM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Interesting you bring up the pliable masses in India R.R.

Quote:Indian Laws on Incest

Incest is not a prosecutable offense in India by law.[18] Indian law does not recognize incest as a punishable crime, unless the child is a minor, in which case it is treated as child sexual abuse.[19][20] Criminal cases involving incestuous rape in India have seen drastic increase over the years.[21] The actual numbers of such cases can be argued to greatly exceed the official figures, since it is a known fact that most criminal assault incidents, especially those involving rape, are extremely under reported in India. In states of southern India, it is very common for marriages to take place between cousins and between uncles and nieces.[22] A report produced by the BBC has opined citing research sources that Close-knit family life in India masks an alarming amount of sexual abuse of children and teenage girls by family members. It said that that disbelief, denial and cover-up to preserve the family reputation is often put before the individual child and its abuse. A report from RAHI, a Delhi based NGO working with child sexual abuse titled “ Voices from the Silent Zone,” suggests that nearly three-quarters of upper and middle class Indian women are abused by a family member - more than often an uncle, a cousin or an elder brother.[23]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest#India

Wiki Sources:

18 # ^ "Hyderabad: Father-in-law held for incest". Criminal Records India. 26 October, 2010. http://criminalrecordsindia.com/2010/10/26/hyderabad-father-in-law-held-for-incest/.
19 # ^ "Incest in India". ndtv.com. 12 August, 2009. http://doctor.ndtv.com/topicdetails/ndtv/tid/427/Incest.html/.
20 # ^ "Incest and the conspiracy of silence". Indiatogether.org. 30 April, 2009. http://www.indiatogether.org/2009/apr/chi-incest.htm.
21 # ^ "Crime in India 2009". National crime records bureau. 29 December, 2010. http://ncrb.nic.in/CII-2009-NEW/Home.htm.
22 # ^ "Incest : India's Hidden Shame". Ground report. 24 May, 2009. http://www.groundreport.com/Lifestyle/Incest-Indias-Hidden-Shame/2899767/.
23 # ^ "India's hidden incest". BBC World. 22 January, 1999. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/259959.stm.

There were laws against incest until recently when they were disposed of while being pitched to the public as being a part of British law and thus it freed them from their colonial oppressors or more simply put Incest is Freedom.

Here's another article on the softening of incest law in other countries.

Switzerland considers making incest legal: report
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/switzerland-considers-making-incest-legal-r/724695/

Here's an article on the fringes but may very well soon be introduced into public debate. It's heavily weighted to side with incestuous conduct and will likely become mainstreamed at some point during our lifetimes. We've seen the topic being softened up at least a bit by the media and the a now mainstream porn industry.

It starts off by Once Homosexuality was Illegal.. The World started with Incest .. Love is love, You can't help that, Single brother & sister can involve to enjoy each steps of being adult; safe from sexual transmitted disease .. and Sex among adult family members is a positive thing.

Debate: ADULT INCEST SHOULD BE LEGALISED
http://debatewise.org/debates/215-adult-incest-should-be-legalised
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07-20-2011, 10:24 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Interesting stuff FastTadpole, especially how they justify incest via a comparison to homosexuality.

I'm sure these guys will then say 'homosexuality was illegal, so was incest, now they are not, so our choices should be made legal too':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

NAMBLA - North American Man/Boy Love Association

The elites of this world seem to be very incestuous and I'm sure that, behind the scenes, family records are kept and the same families that helped the elites of yesteryear are 'rewarded' in modern times while also used to push forward other social agendas. Here was an advocate for NAMBLA: Harry Hay, a gay rights activist whose father worked for Cecil Rhodes and the Jewish Guggenheim family which also married into the Rothschild dynasty:

[Image: HarryHayApril1996AnzaBoregoDesert.jpg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guggenheim_family

As for India, I'm not really surprised as the caste system is so entrenched in that society where, 'to maintain purity', the upper castes tend to be incestuous, much like royalty of various eras. As societal 'trend-setters' they will essentially make the rest of the populous conform to the same system. Not just that but India certainly seems earmarked for a prominant position in the future once the west has been eliminated as a world power, meaning the elites currently inhabiting the western world will move over to India, China and other upcoming countries and continue their game over there much like the various times in history. This necessitates that they have a corruptable population or at least a corruptable bureaucratic infrastructure where the various public puppets can be blackmailed or manipulated based on their perversions so that those governments can remain as operating fronts for very powerful families. Corruption is highly entrenched in Indian society and an excellent source for how deep and ancient such methods are can be found in the writings of Chanakya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chankya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artha%C5%9B%C4%81stra

Apparently there are also prostitute castes too:

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/playlist/3421/1246177?cpt=8&title=most_watched&wpid=1260

The caste stuff is interesting because it is an older model of a desired future social system and caste basically allowed a central authority to manage its workers and economy in ancient times. Caste is heavily linked to eugenics aswell.

We also have Geoffrey Fieger's remarks about turning Detroit into Amsterdam:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/detroit_the_new_amsterdam_one_well-known_lawyer_thinks_so

Coupled with the New Age ideas and India's elevation into the world and by extension Hinduism which provides most New Age ideas, we'll probably see a return to something akin to the 'sacred prostitute':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution

Which actually reminds me of a story a homosexual told me. He said he'd been to see a spirit guide who told him that in a past life he was a temple prostitute in ancient Sumeria and wondered if this was the reason he was homosexual today.

Maybe the pre-Christian pagan golden-age really is coming back!
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07-21-2011, 06:12 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
I hadn't heard the term Sacred Prostitute before. You have that coupled with language in references to whores such as Working Girl and The World's Oldest Profession to legitimize it somewhat. Then you have the Geisha being popularized worldwide by the magic of Hollywood in Memoirs of a Geisha (2005). See also Strip Tease, Burlesque (PG-13?) and The Pussycat Dolls... and almost every Rap video with their booty shakin.

Pole dancing is now considered an art form and dancing itself has become sexualized from a very young age like in Little Miss Sunshine where little girls are presented as "sexy cute".

   
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07-21-2011, 06:25 PM,
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Don't forget the BPA
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07-21-2011, 06:29 PM,
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
(07-21-2011, 06:25 PM)Bull Medicine Wrote: Don't forget the BPA

Not forgotten.. more on the metrosexual inducer on here in this thread:

Plastic chemicals 'may feminise boys' brains'
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=30315
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08-10-2011, 06:01 AM,
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Quote:Parent’s fury at 10-year-old ‘supermodel’

Supermodel Thylane Lena-Rose Blondeau’s appearance in an edition of Vogue Paris has prompted fury from parents... because she’s only 10-years-old.

The mini-model was featured in the January 2011 issue – as part of a 15-page picture spread called ‘Cadeaux’ (gifts). It included shots of a heavily made-up Thylane posing seductively in a chair, bed and on an animal skin rug, with her legs and neckline bared.

The controversial pics were shown on US TV this month and reignited concern over the sexualisation of children in the media.

The debate comes as the Government announced a crackdown on inappropriate clothing and raunchy ads aimed at young kids earlier this year.

They commissioned the Bailey Review to investigate enforcing restrictions on the sexualisation of children in the media and sexual content in advertising.

Reg Bailey, Chief Executive of the Mother’s Union is in charge of the independent review.

Fleur Dorrell, Head of Safe Policy at the Mother’s Union, told Yahoo! UK that these images were “blurring all thoughts of beauty” and were “physically disturbing” for adults.


She added: “Modelling agencies think that it is ok to use pre-pubescent girls as models but this is completely selling us a different idea of beauty. They are making this girl look and feel as though she has to dress this way in order to be perfect.”

“If you think about it in reverse they wouldn’t ask me, a 43-year-old woman to dress like a girl, so why would they want to dress her up like that?”

Despite concern over the images of Thylane, there is huge fan support for model, with a blog and several Facebook fan pages dedicated to her work.

On one fan page a woman wrote: “I don't find this unusual, she is super talented...plus it’s French Vogue!!! FRENCH. VOGUE. Totally ok.”

Another fan added: “I am frustrated with all the people who deem this as sensual... Art is totally subjective and depends on the individual viewing it.”

The Mother’s Union and David Cameron have invited the fashion and advertising industries to reassess the representation of young people under the age of 16 at a summit in October.

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/parents-fury-at-10-year-old-supermodel.html

Quote:Fury at beauty salon that offers grown-up treatments to toddlers

Trendy Monkeys salon in Brentwood, Essex is said to be the first in Britain to offer spray tans, facials and fake tattoos to children and toddlers.

The kids' salon caters to under-13s who can experience 'princess pamper parties' that cost around £300. The shop opened at the weekend with one of its first customers just 16 months old.

Children's rights campaigners have accused the owner of the shop, a former glamour model, of offering inappropriate services that sexualise young girls.

Owner, Michelle Devine, a single mother of two sees the store as 'a bit of fun' for youngsters.

Inside Trendy Monkeys, girls can get pampered with manicures, pedicures, facials, makeovers and hair treatments in a plush pink environment.

Protecting the innocence of childhood is of high concern, as the Government announced this week that they are cracking down on inappropriate clothing and raunchy pop videos aimed at young kids.

Prof Judy Hutchings, from the Centre for Evidence Based Early Intervention, warned that the salon represented "Not just the sexualisation but the commercialisation of children".

"It's OK to make believe and put on mum's high heels — we want to encourage fantasy play and role play," the child psychologist said.

"But it is actually being seen as part of the mainstream.

"I think it's pretty sad. Children are having part of their childhood taken away from them."

Michelle defended her business insisting that her salon made girls feel like "Princesses". She said the shop would allow girls to, "Exude confidence, glamour and desire to look her best at all times, regardless of age.

Her treatment list includes manicures or make-up application at £7 each, fruit smoothie facials for £5, hair 'up-dos' for £5-£10 and a shampoo, and a haircut and styling for £21.

Despite the public backlash the idea seems to go down well with the local girls who can't wait to be involved.

With booking filling up, Michelle said, "Where better to launch this exciting new project in Brentwood, now a name on the map synonymous with fashion and glamour thanks to The Only Way Is Essex?"

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-lifestyles/fury-beauty-salon-offers-grown-treatments-toddlers-150757306.html

Quote:Hailee Steinfeld on why those Miu Miu ads ARE age appropriate

When cute-as-a-button kidult Hailee Steinfeld was announced as the new face of Miu Miu, gasps reverberated throughout fash-land. Here at Grazia HQ, it was gasps of joy (obvs we'd predicted this maaany months before), but some clutched their pearls in horror at the thought of a tiny tween fronting a collection designed for grown-ups. Liz Jones even went so far as to claim it was 'obscene that a child of 14, no matter she is a star, no matter how sophisticated, is used to peddle designer fashion, surely as bad for teen girls as smoking or underage sex.' Yikes!

Granted, past Miu Miu girls have included established Hollywood types like Kirsten Dunst and Katie Holmes, but Hailee ain't no stranger to the limelight or photographer's lense, having already mastered the red carpets of award season in age-appropriate outfits, bagging an Oscar – yes, OSCAR! - nomination, and starring in a Guess ad back in 2007. What's more, like Elle Fanning for Marc by Marc Jacobs, Hailee is the perfect fit for Prada’s younger, quirkier sister.

Then the Bruce Weber-lensed campaign landed with Miuccia’s new muse pulling a variety of adorable poses. Here she is covered up in the modest black frock we saw Diane Kruger wearing yesterday and surrounded by glittery heels - hardly scandalous, right? AND, if you've seen what the plucky little starlet goes through in True Grit, you'll know dressing up in gorgeous clobber for a very tame shoot must've been a total doddle.

Indeed, Hailee is more than happy with the results. 'I think the best part about this collection and the campaign is the fact that it’s so sophisticated – it’s timeless,' she told Fashionista at the Miu Miu party on Tuesday. 'And I think for younger girls like me it works. It feels appropriate.'

Oh, and for all those critics, you better get used to seeing more of the newcomer as Hailee's just bagged the role of Juliet alongside Douglas 'Burberry' Booth as Romeo in a film adaption of Shakespeare's play.

We say, go get ‘em, kid.

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/hailee-steinfeld-why-those-miu-miu-ads-age-101028925.html

Quote:Defining paraphilia…

Paraphilia is a generic term that covers a number of unusual sexual stimulants and practices, categorised according to evolving social norms. In addition to many of these behaviours being ‘deviant’ according to social norms, they are usually characterised by their repetitive nature and the suffering they cause, not to mention the legal penalties some of these practices can incur...
What exactly is paraphilia?

Paraphilia denotes what the average or more traditional person would classically call perversions, and which cover sexual attractions that differ from traditional heterosexual practices or sexual behaviour that's considered as ‘normal’.

Since around 1980, homosexuality and bisexuality are no longer considered as paraphilia, according to psychologists and psychiatrists (notably in the bible of mental health, the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - DSM-IV').

Paraphilia is defined as, “abnormal fantasies, impulses or behaviour that go on for a minimum of six months and which are at the heart of significant clinical mental problems, or a change in social, professional or other mental functioning.

As such, fantasies or a single paraphilic attraction would not usually be condemned by modern society. However, certain acts are condemned across most societies and rightly so. If the practice involves another person against their will (rape), children (paedophilia) or indecent exposure, it then becomes a question for the law – and sexual criminality incurs heavy penalties. For more information, see the UK Sexual Offenses Act 2003
10 sexual practices under the paraphilia banner

Bondage: This practice involves tying up the other person, preventing them from moving by restraining them with ropes, straps or chains which can be simply arranged or intricately put together.

Exhibitionism: This term refers to gaining pleasure from exposing one’s genitals to members of the public or taking part in a public sexual encounter. Both of these practices are illegal when in a public place. In the UK, the 2003 Sexual Offenses Act classifies such activities as public exposure, which can result in a prison sentence of up to 2 years.

Fetishism: This describes becoming sexually excited by particular inanimate objects or groups of objects. This can be anything from latex, to women’s underwear, to stilettos, leather, lace or fur.

Frotteurism: This is the act of touching or rubbing against a person without their consent. This act can be considered as sexual assault in the UK, and depending on the severity, could result in a prison sentence of up to 10 years.

Masochism or sexual sadism: This is when a person becomes sexually aroused through suffering or the infliction of pain or humiliation.

Paedophilia: This is the sexual attraction to children, with behaviours ranging from collecting sexually oriented pictures of children, though to the rape of children under the age of consent. Sexual activities by adults with children are both socially unacceptable and heavily punished in the UK. Under the UK 2003 Sexual Offenses Act, a paedophile (or incestuous adult) who has sexually abused a child can risk up to 14 years of prison and if the rape of a child is proven, a life sentence is possible. Unfortunately, each year thousands of children suffer sexual abuse at the hands of adults.

Transvestism: Also known as cross-dressing, this describes a heterosexual man’s impulse to dress more or less completely as a woman and to imagine himself as one. This tendency can simply be a fantasy or might hide a deeper problem with his sexual identity.

Voyeurism: This describes gaining sexual pleasure from watching others during their intimate relations, or while they are naked or in the middle of undressing. This is illegal if the person who is being watched is unaware of it and in the UK, being a ‘Peeping Tom’ can result in up to 2 years of prison.

Zoophilia: Also known as bestiality, this is a sexual attraction to animals, which may result in a sexual act with an animal. In many countries this is considered a crime, including the UK where a person found guilty of a sexual act with animal may find himself or herself with a 2-year prison sentence.

In total, and according to differing social norms and customs, there are between 350-500 listed paraphilia.

For the most part we are free to express our sexuality as we please in the privacy of our own homes and with consenting adult partners. But in the UK, when sexual arousal and practice moves into the areas of non-consent, or under-age or non-human sexual partners, then the practice can shift from ‘deviant’ to ‘criminal’ and is punished as such.

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/defining-paraphilia-230000421.html;_ylt=AjncK0YWPJtSK4Vto6olTfKdAb1_;_ylu=X3oDMTNlazN1Z2htBHBrZwM1MTE5MGZhMi01YWY3LTM5ZjAtODcxZi0zNDViODQ2YjU1YjYEcG9zAzgEc2VjA2xuX01vcmVTdG9yaWVzX2dhbAR2ZXIDMmQ4Njk0NTAtYzBhYi0xMWUwLWFkZjktNmQwNTc5YjRjNDQw;_ylv=3
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Quote:American Apparel CEO launches a 'Teenagers do it better' T-shirt hot on the heels of a string of sexual harassment claims

By Daisy Dumas

10th August 2011

He is not renowned for his tactful diplomacy. In fact, American Apparel CEO Dov Charney is better known for multiple sexual harassment and racial discrimination allegations involving youngsters.

Now Mr Charney, 42, has excelled, even by his own standards, by launching a new T-shirt that reads 'Teenagers do it better.'

Given his company's reputation for racy ads and a progressive agenda, the $24 T-shirt may not have attracted quite so much attention had it not, by association, been so explicitly glorifying teen sex.

The slogan tee is a collaboration between the controversial fashion chain and magazine Ey!Magateen - a title that says it 'celebrates the magnificent vitality, energy and power of young male adulthood' by publishing explicit pictures of boys and young men from 16 to 21-years-old.

It is available to buy on the American Apparel site and is being given away as a gift when ordering the 124-page Spring/Summer 2011 of the magazine, according to the Huffington Post.

On Ey!Magateen's Tumblr page, a skinny teenage boy wears a cropped version of the T-shirt, suggestively posing in low-rise underwear.

His photo can be found alongside hundreds of others of nude and semi-nude shots of young boys, often in highly sexualised poses.

The subject matter of the T-shirt is not all that is inappropriate about the collaboration - it comes hot on the heels of a string of court appearances by Mr Charney.

The notorious fashion bad-boy has variously been accused of walking around the company headquarters without trousers on, using provocative language towards female staff and running a sexually-charged, hostile environment.

He infamously masturbated in front of a reporter while she was interviewing him in 2004, and the unorthodox directorship of the founder has landed American Apparel in very hot water on numerous, and worryingly frequent, occasions.


In 2008, his company was made to pay $5million to Woody Allen after using a photograph of the director in a billboard advertisement without permission.

In July, Christopher Renfro, from California, was awarded more than $300,000 in damages after alleging that a co-worker repeatedly called him a 'n*****' in 2008. The accused co-worker, who reports directly to Mr Charney, claimed to have been singing along to rap music.

Former employee Irene Morales, 20, also filed a suit in March containing explosive claims that Mr Charney kept her as a teenage sex slave, forcing her to perform sexual acts on him for eight months.

Her claims came just weeks before four more employees filed another lawsuit against Mr Charney. One of them, Kimbra Lo, 19, 'claimed that Mr. Charney, wrapped in a towel, invited her to his bedroom to talk about a job. Once there, she said he undressed her and tried to have sex. Ms. Lo said she sought to resist but was afraid, and that he tried to take photographs,' wrote the New York Times.

At the time of the Ms Morales claims, a Today Show programme featured disturbing insights into Mr Charney's sworn depositions from previous sexual harassment suits, none of which went to trial. He said: 'I frequently drop my pants to show people my new product,' and 'there's some of us that love sluts. It could be also an endearing term.'

In a recent interview with the New York Times, Mr Charney said that he would like to recreate the lifestyle Hugh Hefner famously contrived at the Playboy mansion in the 1970s.

Mr Charney's Silver Lakes, California, home is the centre of an unconventional lifestyle that regularly sees up to a dozen employees and friends staying with the CEO.

Nevertheless, Mr Charney and his legal team have denied all sexual harassment allegations. His lawyer, Peter Schey, said: 'The allegations are false. I think this is an effort to shake down American Apparel.'

The 'shake down' may, however, be happening of its own accord. In March, the company, founded in 1989, warned it may have to file for bankruptcy and could face liquidation.

Making an $86m loss last year, American Apparel's sales dropped by 4.6 per cent, though this has been blamed in part on 'extraordinarily challenging world-wide economic conditions.' Losses have been stemmed after an intervention by British private equity firm, Lion Capital.

In the light of the new eyebrow-raising tee collaboration, the GFC may be the least of Mr Charney's worries for now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2024494/American-Apparel-CEO-launches-Teenagers-better-T-shirt-hot-heels-string-sexual-harassment-claims.html

More on Dov Charney:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Charney
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/10/15/American-Apparel-CEO-Charney-Profile
http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/jewish_hustler_potty_mouth_and_pervert_means_no_offense_20080603/
http://www.jewishjournal.com/articles/item/unfashionable_crisis_20050729/
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53092,people,news,dov-charneys-american-apparel-in-trouble-over-immigration-and-underage-ad-la-based-clothing-label
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-138445388.html
http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/archives/naked_shakedown_dov_charney_is_the_victim.phtml#more


Quote:Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie told to get married

From: NewsCore
August 11, 2011

THE big question is: would Ernie's rubber ducky be the best man?

Sesame's Street roomies Bert and Ernie could finally walk down the aisle together, if the internet has anything to do with it.

An online petition has been started calling on the producers of children's TV show to hold a wedding for the pair of platonic muppets.

Ernie: Husband or Wife? Scroll down to vote

"We are not asking that Sesame Street do anything crude or disrespectful," the petition reads. "It can be done in a tasteful way. Let us teach tolerance of those that are different."

The sexuality of Bert and Ernie - perhaps the children's show's most popular characters - has long been debated, since the roommates sleep in the same room and constantly bicker.

The petition also asks that Sesame Street producers consider adding a transgender character to the show, which premiered in 1969 on Public Broadcasting Service.

The online campaign also has a companion Facebook page.

"Part of me is laughing and the other is crying," one posting read. Another said, "Is Elton John going to play at the wedding?"

Sesame Street producers don't appear to be bowing to the online pressure, saying that the pair were simply "best friends".

"They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves," they said.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/television/sesame-streets-bert-and-ernie-told-to-get-married/story-e6frfmyi-1226112791054

Quote:Marvel Comics reveals the new Spider Man is black - and he could be gay in the future

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But another surprise could be in the pipeline after his creators said that in the future they would not rule out making him gay.

.....

What you have is a Spider-Man for the 21st century who's reflective of our culture and diversity.

.....

Italian artist Sara Pichelli, who designed Spider-Man's new look, added: 'Maybe sooner or later a black or gay - or both - hero will be considered something absolutely normal.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021563/Marvel-Comics-reveal-new-Spider-Man-black-gay-future.html

Do people really care what side of the fence superheroes bat on? To acknowledge their sexuality in the comics though, would suggest some hint, or dare we say it, a special issue of Spiderman's homo-erotic escapades. He can give rimjobs giving a hole new meaning to 'Green Gobblin'.

The point is his sexual orientation would have to be acknowledged from time to time otherwise there is no point in making him gay. Predictive Programming/brainwashing/propaganda call it what you want, especially after the little kiddies are open to it due to Ernie and Bert's pre-propaganda.


Quote:'Rihanna has a responsibility': Mel C criticises Ri-Ri for being too sexual for her young fans

She might be a big fan of the Barbadian singer but Melanie Chisholm has spoken out about Rihanna’s ‘inappropriate' overtly sexual behaviour.

The former Spice Girl believes that the singer has a responsibility to younger children to protect them, something which she has realised since becoming a mother.

Mel,37, took to Twitter and posted: ‘For the record. I am a big fan of Rihanna, I am also a mother.’

She said: ‘People have to take some responsibility because we’ve got to a point where over-sexualisation of young children has gone too far,’ the Mirror reported.

‘I think music is a big part of that. Women in music, very successful women, are extremely sexual and they have young fans. It is inappropriate.

‘Rihanna has responsibility and although culture’s always changing, it’s changed too much. It needs to be dealt with. It’s reached saturation point, we owe it to our kids to protect them.


‘Rihanna’s free to do as she pleases, of course, but I think her take on the criticism she’s had is interesting.’

Mel, who found fame as Sporty Spice in the most successful girl group of all time, gave birth to her daughter Scarlet Starr in February 2009.

And since then her priorities, and views have changed and she accepts that Rihanna might not understand her viewpoint given that she doesn’t have children of her own.

She told the paper: ‘I love Rihanna, I think she’s a f****** brilliant artist, with great songs, a great record and she looks fantastic... but she’s not a mum. Maybe if she becomes one she’ll feel different. I hope so anyway.’

Mel was no stranger to strutting her stuff in skimpy outfits during her Spice days and were often seen backflipping her way across the stage in cropped tops and tracksuits bottoms.

She said: ‘It’s a long time ago since the Spice Girls were first together and we were criticised for being sexual. Yes, we wore crop tops, I mean look how much has changed.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2024452/Rihanna-responsibility-Mel-C-criticises-Ri-Ri-sexual-young-fans.html

Yes Mel C, you incrementally helped pave the way for this, somewhat like David Icke's 'Totalitarian Tiptoe' concept.

Related:

Hit songwriter takes a pop at sex-driven imagery



Quote:LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) children's programming

According to the 2000 US Census, one-third of female partner households and one-fifth of male partner households in America have children. However, resistance to LGBT representation continues in children's programming.

Early children's programming addressing LGBT-related subject matter includes two episodes of CBS Schoolbreak Special. "What If I'm Gay?" originally aired on March 31, 1987. The episode told the story of a teenage boy struggling to come to terms with his sexuality. It was nominated for three Daytime Emmy Awards, winning for Outstanding Direction in Children's Programming. The 1993 episode "Other Mothers" featured a boy who was afraid that his friends would think he was gay because he has two mothers. The episode was nominated for five Daytime Emmys, winning for Outstanding Writing in a Children's Special, Outstanding Performer in a Children's Special (Justin Whalin) and Outstanding Sound Mixing in a Children's Special. In 1986, HBO broadcast The Truth About Alex, which told the story of a high school athlete who discovers that his best friend Alex is gay.

On June 18, 2002, children's cable network Nickelodeon ran a program entitled, Nick News Special Edition: My Family Is Different. Produced by Linda Ellerbee's Lucky Duck Productions and hosted by Ellerbee, My Family Is Different featured children of gay and lesbian parents talking with children from households that oppose equal rights for gay and lesbian families.

In 2005, an episode of the children's series Postcards from Buster in which the animated bunny visits the children of two lesbian couples, raised controversy and PBS announced it would not distribute the episode.

In September 2007 Dottie's Magic Pockets became the first available show for children in gay and lesbian families

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_children%27s_programming
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RE: Sexuality as Perversion and/or Love :: Influences and Symptoms of Promiscuity
Quote:Concerned Women for America: French kid’s lingerie line ‘a pedophile’s dream’

Published: 3:22 PM 08/18/2011

A few weeks ago, commentators and pundits worldwide questioned whether the seductive Vogue Paris magazine spread of 10-year-old French model Thylane Loubry Blondeau had crossed the line. Many pointed fingers at Blondeau’s parents and the publication, but France’s latest child photo scandal has eclipsed that of the elementary school age model-to-be.

This week, the country raised some eyebrows again when news outlets reported French clothing company Jours Après Lunes debuted a line of lingerie for ages four through 12. The ads, which feature little girls posing suggestively in undies and pre-adolescent bras, have reignited the media debate on sexualizing minors.

The online site Jezebel argued that “it’s unwise to throw stones at the French brand when pretty much every mall in America has a Victoria’s Secret Pink outpost selling lingerie to teens.” The online celebrity news site also claimed that the positions and poses of each young Jours Après Lunes model are the issues at hand.

“The problem here is more the way the girls were photographed than the items themselves,” Jezebel’s Margaret Hartmann wrote of the female models, some of whom fire flirtatious looks at the camera while seated in a sexually inviting manner.

Concerned Women for America CEO Penny Nance condemned Jours Après Lunes, adding that the apparel stylist Sophie Morin should be ashamed of herself.

“This is a pedophile’s dream,” Nance told The Daily Caller. “Sophie Morin, the lingerie designer, at Jours Après Lunes should be ashamed and French mothers should be outraged and demand a response.”

Nance said it’s disheartening that the over-sexualization of children has become a pattern in our culture, referring to Abercrombie & Fitch’s highly publicized bikini top specifically made for young females.

“These stories are becoming more common as our society further sexualizes little girls,” Nance told TheDC. “From Hollywood to Abercrombie & Fitch’s push up bra bikini’s for 8-year-olds, the United States has it’s own issues. Concerned Women for America’s members will not accepted the cheapening of our children and will fight pedophilia anywhere we find it.”

Fashion writer and Le Snob Lingerie author Marilisa Racco was in Nance’s corner, telling the New York Daily News, “It’s cute when a little girl dresses up in her mom’s clothing and jewelry and high heels. These pictures are not cute. It’s entirely inappropriate to put a 4-year-old in a bouffant like she’s Brigitte Bardot in ‘And God Created Woman.’ … A pearl-encrusted triangle bra on a little girl does not sit well with me.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/18/concerned-women-for-america-french-kids-lingerie-line-a-pedophiles-dream/

Quote:Academic conference seeks to normalize pedophilia

by Jeremy Kryn

Tue Aug 16, 2011 16:28

BALTIMORE, MD, August 16, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) — Researchers from several prominent U.S. universities will participate tomorrow in a Baltimore conference reportedly aiming to normalize pedophilia. According to the sponsoring organization's website, the event will examine ways in which "minor-attracted persons" can be involved in a revision of the American Psychological Association (APA) classification of pedophilia.

B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile activists and mental health professionals, is behind the August 17 conference, which will include panelists from Harvard University, the Johns Hopkins University, the University of Louisville, and the University of Illinois.

B4U-ACT science director Howard Kline has criticized the definition of pedophilia by the American Psychological Association, describing its treatment of "minor-attracted persons" as "inaccurate" and "misleading."

"It is based on data from prison studies, which completely ignore the existence of those who are law-abiding," Kline said in a July 25 press release. "The proposed new diagnostic criteria specify ages and frequencies with no scientific basis whatsoever."

"The Diagnostic and Statistical of Mental Disorders (DSM) should meet a higher standard than that," he added. "We can help them, because we are the people they are writing about."

On their website B4U-ACT classifies pedophilia as simply another sexual orientation and decries the "stigma" attached to pedophilia, observing: "No one chooses to be emotionally and sexually attracted to children or adolescents. The cause is unknown; in fact, the development of attraction to adults is not understood." The group says that it does not advocate treatment to change feelings of attraction to children or adolescents.

In their press release B4U-ACT announced a letter the group has sent to the APA criticizing its classification of the mental illness.

In an interview with LifeSiteNews (LSN), Liberty University Visiting Professor of Law Judith Reisman, an expert on sexual ethics and pornography, criticized the Baltimore conference, saying, "This has been on the agenda for decades."

"I first met up with what I had come to call 'The Academic Pedophile Lobby' in 1977 at The British Psychological Society Conference on Love and Attraction, Swansea, Wales," she said. "I delivered a research paper on child pornography in Playboy 1954-1977."

"Other conference academicians, some hired by pornographers, presented 'scientific' papers advocating the legalization of child pornography, prostitution and an end to age of consent," she said. "They promoted their 'scientific' claims for early childhood sexuality to lawmakers and fellow academicians via both legitimate and pornographic media."

"The DSM is typical of this degeneracy since they already had lightened the diagnosis of pedophilia as to make it almost meaningless, requiring that the pedophile be 'bothered' by his and her abuse of children and so on," Reisman said. "We now have women and children sexually violating children as well as men. This will continue to spiral down into, well, we’d have to say the abyss of hell, unless we retrieve our laws, our mass media and our schools."

As previously reported by LSN, similar lobbying, then by homosexual activists, led to the declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 in the DSM. As a result of the DSM declassification, debate regarding homosexuality and the many documented harms associated with the homosexual lifestyle has been all but shut down in academic psychological circles.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/academic-conference-seeks-to-normalize-pedophilia.html

Highly recommended documentary (freeleech):

http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=24673
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