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People's Historian and Progressive Hero Howard Zinn Dies
01-28-2010, 09:25 PM,
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People's Historian and Progressive Hero Howard Zinn Dies
People's Historian and Progressive Hero Howard Zinn Dies
By , AlterNet
Posted on January 27, 2010, Printed on January 28, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/story/145455/

From the Boston Globe:

Howard Zinn, the Boston University historian and political activist who was an early opponent of US involvement in Vietnam... died of a heart attack today in Santa Monica, Calif, where he was traveling, his family said. He was 87.

“His writings have changed the consciousness of a generation, and helped open new paths to understanding and its crucial meaning for our lives,” Noam Chomsky, the left-wing activist and MIT professor, once wrote of Dr. Zinn. “When action has been called for, one could always be confident that he would be on the front lines, an example and trustworthy guide.”

For Dr. Zinn, activism was a natural extension of the revisionist brand of history he taught. Dr. Zinn’s best-known book, “A People’s History of the United States” (1980), had for its heroes not the Founding Fathers — many of them slaveholders and deeply attached to the status quo, as Dr. Zinn was quick to point out — but rather the farmers of Shays’ Rebellion and the union organizers of the 1930s.

As he wrote in his autobiography, “You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train” (1994), “From the start, my teaching was infused with my own history. I would try to be fair to other points of view, but I wanted more than ‘objectivity’; I wanted students to leave my classes not just better informed, but more prepared to relinquish the safety of silence, more prepared to speak up, to act against injustice wherever they saw it. This, of course, was a recipe for trouble.”
... Dr. Zinn was born in New York City on Aug. 24, 1922, the son of Jewish immigrants, Edward Zinn, a waiter, and Jennie (Rabinowitz) Zinn, a housewife. He attended New York public schools and worked in the Brooklyn Navy Yard before joining the Army Air Force during World War II. Serving as a bombardier in the Eighth Air Force, he won the Air Medal and attained the rank of second lieutenant.

After the war, Dr. Zinn worked at a series of menial jobs until entering New York University as a 27-year-old freshman on the GI Bill. Professor Zinn, who had married Roslyn Shechter in 1944, worked nights in a warehouse loading trucks to support his studies. He received his bachelor’s degree from NYU, followed by master’s and doctoral degrees in history from Columbia University.

Dr. Zinn was an instructor at Upsala College and lecturer at Brooklyn College before joining the faculty of Spelman College in Atlanta, in 1956. He served at the historically black women’s institution as chairman of the history department. Among his students were the novelist Alice Walker, who called him “the best teacher I ever had,” and Marian Wright Edelman, future head of the Children’s Defense Fund.

AlterNet published Bill Moyers' interview with Zinn from December: "Democracy doesn't come from the top. It comes from the bottom. Democracy is not what governments do. It's what people do." Click here to read AlterNet's archive of Zinn's articles.

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01-28-2010, 10:15 PM,
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RE: People's Historian and Progressive Hero Howard Zinn Dies
Howard Zinn: “I Don’t Care” If 9/11 Was An Inside Job

Another gatekeeper illustrates the intellectual cowardice of the establishment left

http://www.prisonplanet.com/howard-zinn-i-dont-care-if-911-was-an-inside-job.html

Zinn: 9/11 Truth Is For “Fanatics”, Has “No Practical Political Significance”

New comments cause more outrage after leftist historian said he didn’t care about what really happened on 9/11

http://www.prisonplanet.com/zinn-911-truth-is-for-fanatics-has-no-practical-political-significance.html

Howard Zinn: 9/11 Investigation a “Diversion”

Howard Zinn, 86-year old folk hero, activist, professor, historian, and author of one of the great books of American popular literature, A People’s History of the United States, is telling people that searching for the truth about what really happened on 9/11 “is a diversion.”

Say it ain’t so, Howard Zinn!

http://www.infowars.com/howard-zinn-911-investigation-a-diversion/
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01-29-2010, 02:11 AM,
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RE: People's Historian and Progressive Hero Howard Zinn Dies
I thought you couldn't stand AJ, and now every article you reference is on either PP or infowars?

I doubt you took the time to read "A People's History of the United States," but if you had, you wouldn't be as hard on the dead guy.

from the second article you posted, as the first was more of a hit piece on Chomsky, who sometimes seems like he needs to be smacked around a little bit, and the third was reiteration:
Quote:During a lecture at UQAM university in Montréal, Zinn was once again asked if he would support a new 9/11 investigation.

Zinn responded:

“I have said that what happened on 9/11 deserves to be investigated more than it has been because I don’t accept and believe official investigations and official reports.

But having said that, and I want to say that this has really annoyed a lot of people, but why not, and I will annoy more people by saying that I think there are many people who have become fanatics about 9/11. By fanatics I mean, they think we should drop everything and just concentrate our energies on finding out what happened on 9/11.

I don’t think the question of what really happened on 9/11 is the most important question we can ask.”

Zinn then took a direct swipe at the 9/11 truth movement by stating:

“To tell a movement of citizens in the United States that this is something that we really have to make an issue of, I don’t believe it because we don’t need what happened on 9/11, we don’t need that to tell us about the crimes of the Bush administration.

I believe there are certain things that happen in history and certainly questions that are asked that divert us from the important things that we have to do at hand.

The truth is I don’t think anyone will ever really know what happened on 9/11 just as I don’t think anyone will really know who killed John F. Kennedy, and there are a lot of people who wasted a huge amount of time working on something that did not have any practical political significance.”

Zinn then asserted that his previous comments at a lecture in Colorado has been distorted and that he never said he did not care about 9/11 or the fact that it was in the past.

Zinn’s exact words that day were “I don’t know enough about it (the 9/11 conspiracy) and the truth is I don’t much care, that’s past.”

While I don't agree 100% with what he said here, I have read his work, and I believe that he was truly a fighter against public corruption, fascism, and oligarchical rule of the planet. He seemed more to the point that those actions had come and gone, and figuring out what was ultimately behind them was useless as the agenda had moved on from there, and that figuring out what to do with that agenda was more important. The instigation of current actions, having been in the past, were moot.

If the Reichstag fire's roots were discovered 8 years later, do you really think that would have stopped the Nazi movement?

I think that's the point he was making... calling him a gate-keeper, an intellectual coward is just plain untrue. I've read his books, and I was a 9/11 truther from the first day, after the shock wore off. I don't believe a word of the Gvt's bullshit, but I do see his point. Even though the effects of 9/11, which are so often referenced in these articles, are disgusting and wrong, finding out the specifics of the day won't make them go away. sentencing the perpetrators won't make them go away either.
I demand accountability and the truth as much as anyone here, but I won't use the posting of his Obit to pronounce him an intellectual coward. That's just plain inhuman, and wrong.

He was a brilliant man, with brilliant insights, and he illuminated many dark corners of America's slimy underbelly for more years than most people on this board have been alive. Focusing on one slanted viewpoint from two very slanted websites about one specific stance or topic is intellectual cowardice.
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01-29-2010, 10:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-29-2010, 10:51 AM by joeblow.)
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(01-29-2010, 02:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: I thought you couldn't stand AJ, and now every article you reference is on either PP or infowars?n

And so what? I frequently quote and reference Project Mockingbird establishments that I do not support or read on a daily basis: The NY Times, FOX News, Washington Post, etc.

(01-29-2010, 02:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: I doubt you took the time to read "A People's History of the United States," but if you had, you wouldn't be as hard on the dead guy.

You absolutely right I did not, because I am a Conspiracy rather than Political Theorist, I spend my days reading threads at ConCen instead of oldamericancentury.org. But I did see that short cartoon based on "A People's History of the United States" which is why I will not ever waste my time reading the book: it did not name the Jew.

Zinn is in the same place (Hell) that Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, and the rest of the Jewish CIA Controlled-Opposition will go to.

(01-29-2010, 02:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: from the second article you posted, as the first was more of a hit piece on Chomsky, who sometimes seems like he needs to be smacked around a little bit, and the third was reiteration:

I did not want to clutter the thread with other articles, but since you did, here is an especially insightful piece of the Watson article that aptly explains why 9/11 Truth is vitally important and anyone who dismisses it needs to be attacked viciously (like Zinn when he was alive or dead).

Quote:What really happened on 9/11 is not a distraction, it is the key to everything:

Without 9/11 there would be no “war on terror”.

Without 9/11 there would be no “clash of civilizations”

Without 9/11 there would be no war in Afghanistan.

Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iraq.

Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iran.

Without 9/11 there would be no war in… (insert any country classified as part of the “axis of evil” or defined as being “with the terrorists”)

Without 9/11 thousands of U.S. troops would not have been sent to their deaths.

Without 9/11 hundreds of thousands of citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan would not have been sentenced to their deaths.

Without 9/11 there would be no inaction on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

Without 9/11 there would be no civilian contractors in Iraq and the scandal that has followed them would have been averted.

Without 9/11 there would be no false military reporting (Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch), and no crack down on the freedom of the press (banning photographing the returning coffins).

Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act.

Without 9/11 there would be no NSA warrantless wiretapping program.

Without 9/11 there would be no Camp Delta and no Camp X-ray at Guantanamo Bay.

Without 9/11 there would be no Military Commissions Act and no coordinated program of extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and torture of those defined as “enemy combatants”.

Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in secrecy and complete militarization of intelligence under the newly created office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Without 9/11 there would not be thousands of dead and dying emergency workers who are suffering crippling and fatal respiratory illnesses.

Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in military and security spending that goes arm in arm with huge cutbacks in other key social programs (such as levees in New Orleans).

Without 9/11 there would have been no total abandonment of fiscal restraint, which has contributed to plunging the nation into an abyss of debt and looks likely to tip the world into a deep recession if not a complete depression.

And on and on and on.

Perhaps most importantly, without 9/11 there would be no “post 9/11 society/mentality”.

(01-29-2010, 02:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: While I don't agree 100% with what he said here, I have read his work, and I believe that he was truly a fighter against public corruption, fascism, and oligarchical rule of the planet. He seemed more to the point that those actions had come and gone, and figuring out what was ultimately behind them was useless as the agenda had moved on from there, and that figuring out what to do with that agenda was more important. The instigation of current actions, having been in the past, were moot.

He was a Shill, Controlled-Opposition, and Zionist Jew whose profession was to keep the Goyim running around in circles.

(01-29-2010, 02:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: If the Reichstag fire's roots were discovered 8 years later, do you really think that would have stopped the Nazi movement?

Absolutely, yes. Look at the wonders it has done in America. The final step is to get people to figure out that:

Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD!! http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

(01-29-2010, 02:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: I think that's the point he was making... calling him a gate-keeper, an intellectual coward is just plain untrue...Focusing on one slanted viewpoint from two very slanted websites about one specific stance or topic is intellectual cowardice.

The only problem for you is that this topic is 9/11 Truth and this is a Conspiracy forum not one of those FAKE LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM websites.
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01-29-2010, 11:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-30-2010, 12:17 AM by h3rm35.)
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Please don't shut me out before you get done reading this, as I'm just trying to understand your perspectives, and relate why mine are different. I joined this forum because I wanted to learn. I came here unsure about global warming, and have been convinced of it's fraudulent underpinnings, through people here. I'm not a left/right type of guy... I'm the type of guy that despises injustice and greed, no matter where they come from, and I'm the type who won't judge a person based on one facet of their personality or make-up, unless they're being greedy or unjust in a blatant manner.

I don't get the obsession with "The Jew," instead of "the Zionist..."
There are decent people who are Israeli (not many, but they're out there,) there are plenty of people not at all involved with many of the BS slavery schemes pervading around the globe that are Jewish. I've got NO LOVE for the Israeli government or those who prop it up. I'd like to see most of them executed for war crimes. I don't use the blanket term, though, because in my personal history, being raised outside of NYC in VERY Jewish communities, I've known some really great people of that faith, and I find it ignorant to claim them all as conspirators, or even unwitting pawns. There are Israeli's protesting in the west bank, too, you know.

Do you hate Zinn because he was deeply involved in the civil rights movement? Is it blacks too? Or is it just the fact that he was a Jew that thought it more important to focus on other things than 9/11?

By the way, If you check over at Old American Century under the "what really happened on 9/11" thread, you'll see I was one of the most vehement truth-seekers there, and you'll also see me regularly discount motivations of politicians on both sides of the fake left/right BS agenda. One of my favorite things to do was shut down democratic cheerleaders for being naive.

I spent time there because there was interesting conversation, and chances to educate people. I wish it had had more of a slant in the direction of this site, but due to some ignorant assholes, those who came in found it an inhospitable place. I did my best to counteract it, and support theories different than "the old boys club" over there, but often those same people would come in and start flame wars and get banned, because they were so enraged by the trolls in residence. I really, very often, tried to have their back, until they starting spouting shit that they couldn't support.

Personally, I'm more of a compassionate socialist at heart, and If Dennis Kucinich ever had a chance at election, I'd have voted for him. I didn't vote this election, and I doubt I'll vote for a person again. A ballot initiative with a populist bent, maybe, but never a person.

quick edit to add:
I have been of the inclination to believe that Zionist Israelis have intricate ties to the 9/11 incident for years, and Mossad was behind most of the logistics, including planting of "super"-thermite in the collapses. I just think that there's more involved than that... But, like Zinn, I kind of think that we'll never actually know the whole truth, and that as much as I'd like to see a new, independent investigation into that day, it could just as easily be obfuscated as the original 9/11 commission.

Like Zinn, I think we have more pressing issues to deal with.
like corporate control ceded by the most recent supreme court ruling, the revocation of all facets of the USAPATRIOT act, net neutrality, and preparation of truly alternative media to expose the shit when it really hits the fan.

the ability to gain access to this forum or tracker could easily be gone TOMORROW, and where would we be then?

one more quick edit:
in relation to your "Marijuana is addictive" thread, I'm actually working on a piece that deals with a serious conspiratorial issue - that of brainwashing people in "Therapeutic Communities" (Like the Phoenix House in LA - one of whose members was quoted in support of the concept in the original article you posted in the thread) in the united states, whose model is currently being used in prisons in Britain. It might take me a week or so, but you might get a better feeling for who I really am once you read it... You can probably get a glimpse of the type of work I do on the concen side of life (which I tend not to post on the web very often, until I can back it with sources that can't be described as "lunatic fringe,") by checking out what I posted over @ POAC on "Monsanto's dream bill"
my user name was seuss, in case you need it for the search engine.
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