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Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
01-01-2010, 06:03 AM,
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Exclamation  Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
This forum and millions of other websites will be affected by the Sun sell-out to Oracle pending their decisions on the patents and open source code compiled over years of a concerted grass-roots community project they now have jurisdiction over. Almost all of my work as an independent web developer is dependent on MySQL but this plea goes far beyond a personal nature. Sign the petition and threaten to boycott Oracle/Sun products and websites that run on their software. If you value the freedom and this critically valuable open source software that is a major and critical component to a free internet heed this call to action.

Sign the Petition
http://www.helpmysql.org/en/petition

Quote:If Oracle buys MySQL as part of Sun, database customers will pay the bill.

n April 2009, Oracle announced that it had agreed to acquire Sun. Since Sun had acquired MySQL the previous year, this would mean that Oracle, the market leader for closed source databases, would get to own MySQL, the most popular open source database.

If Oracle acquired MySQL on that basis, it would have as much control over MySQL as money can possibly buy over an open source project. In fact, for most open source projects (such as Linux or Apache) there isn't any comparable way for a competitor to buy even one tenth as much influence. But MySQL's success has always depended on the company behind it that develops, sells and promotes it. That company (initially MySQL AB, then Sun) has always owned the important intellectual property rights (IPRs), most notably the trademark, copyright and (so far only for defensive purposes) patents. It has used the IPRs to produce income and has reinvested a large part of those revenues in development, getting not only bigger but also better with time.

If those IPRs fall into the hands of MySQL's primary competitor, then MySQL immediately ceases to be an alternative to Oracle's own high-priced products. So far, customers had the choice to use MySQL in new projects instead of Oracle's products. Some large companies even migrated (switched) from Oracle to MySQL for existing software solutions. And every one could credibly threaten Oracle's salespeople with using MySQL unless a major discount was granted. If Oracle owns MySQL, it will only laugh when customers try this. Getting rid of this problem is easily worth one billion dollars a year to Oracle, if not more.
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Now you have a unique opportunity to make a difference. By signing the petition at http://www.helpmysql.org you can help affect the future of MySQL as an Open Source database.

You can find more information of this on Monty's latest blog post at:
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html

Help us spread the world about this petition!
http://www.helpmysql.org is available in 18 languages and every vote is important, independent of from where in the world it comes! If you know people that are using MySQL, please contact them and ensure they also sign the petition!

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01-02-2010, 11:47 AM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
This just in:
Quote:Florian Mueller sent a message to the members of Save MySQL from Oracle.

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Subject: More than 1,000 members and 10,000 signatures, please support us on Twitter and Digg

Dear Members of the 'Save MySQL from Oracle' Facebook Group,

We just surpassed the number of 1,000 members for our group. A few hours ago our petition received its 10,000th signature. Thank you so much to all of you, and your friends, for your support.

On Monday we will present the first 10,000+ signatures NOT ONLY in Europe BUT ALSO to the competition authorities in China, Russia and Switzerland. Later we will also send it to Japan and Brazil. Oracle still needs approval for its deal in ALL of those places. Any one of them -- at least any one of the three big economies (EU, China, Russia) -- can still stop Oracle. We will fight hard until the end and do our best to justify your support.

There are two things with which you could help us right now that would only take a minute or two:

1) Please follow us on Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/helpmysql

2) Please "digg" the following article:
http://www.digg.com/d31EQ50

Digg.com is a service where users can make an article on the web more popular and this way inform others of it. You can use your Facebook account to connect there, so you WILL NOT have to get an additional confirmation email or anything. Basically you just have to click on the little blue hand next to the word "digg" and then you choose the Facebook Connect option. It's really quick and if many of you do it, it will help.

Thank you once again.

Have a great weekend. (For us it's a weekend full of hard work, but we're happy to do it!)
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01-02-2010, 05:01 PM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
Dugg it and signed the petition, thanks for bringing this to the floor FT.
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01-02-2010, 09:14 PM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
While I can't stand MySQL - it's a POS, not even a real rdbms - I don't like Oracle either. Not for its lack of quality, but because they charge too much, and are very aggressive against their competition.

I use PostgreSQL whenever possible, and recommend it to anybody using open source.
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01-02-2010, 10:53 PM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
Yeah I'm glad I added an abstraction layer in my code now that MySQL is hitting the fan.

PostGRE will surely fill the void but it will be all alone and it will only be a matter of time before the MS/Oracle duopoly takes over Also, the PostGRE / MySQL competition is a good part of what drove innovation for both platforms.
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08-20-2010, 12:34 AM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
Oracle is basically using the legal system to self destruct open source IMO. There lawsuit against Google (Android) is the strawman.

Quote:Oracle aims to destroy open source software industry
By Dana Blankenhorn | August 17, 2010, 5:32am PDT

If proprietary companies like Oracle can buy up open source projects and then take back their open source status, how can an enterprise depend on open source software

If proprietary companies like Oracle can buy up open source projects and then take back their open source status, how can an enterprise depend on open source software?

It is with the aim of creating this kind of FUD that Oracle has made its moves against Java and OpenSolaris. Most analysts now expect similar moves against mySQL and OpenOffice.

(To the right, a proprietary Dana, not the open source one. All will be explained.)

Why would Oracle destroy assets it just paid good money for?

Two reasons.

1. It didn’t really pay good money for them.
2. It pushes enterprise buyers away from all open source.

Oracle paid $7.4 billion for Sun. Even with recent drop-offs in revenue (which can be made up) the company should easily clear $2.5 billion in hardware sales this year. If you can buy a viable computer hardware business for three times sales you’re doing pretty well. Oracle got the software assets for free.

Oracle’s moves against high profile open source projects like Java (and presumably OpenOffice and mySQL) also serve as a warning against enterprise dependence on other open source projects.

Open source companies practically live to be taken over. It’s the pot of gold at the end of their rainbow. Oracle is telling their customers that could leave them high and dry.

We assume that the license status of open source is fixed, like baby names. But the status of baby names isn’t fixed at all.

When I was born in 1955, most kids named Dana were boys. By 1970, when the singer Dana Owens (Queen Latifah) was born, most Danas were girls. They will be when my grand-kids are born too. (Picture from Wikipedia.)

What Oracle is demonstrating with Solaris is that such status is not fixed. (Good news for boys named Dana.) Open source can be taken back. Which means that if you come to depend on open source, you may find yourself staring down the barrel of a large bill one of these days, if someone else chooses to be like Larry.

This has always been an Achilles Heel for open source businesses. They can’t make people buy their stuff. They make up for the revenue shortfall with lower sales and distribution costs. But they still have that revenue shortfall.

Thus proprietary companies have a big advantage whenever an open source company wants to cash in. They’re still the most likely buyers. With Solaris Oracle seeks to prove the rights enterprises think they have to open source code can be taken back.

If this can be seen to make financial sense — if Oracle’s strategy is copied even by Oracle — then the corporate way forward for open source may be closed off. Enterprises may decide they have to buy licenses for their own protection, and the open source era ends.

That seems to be the plan, and it’s a cunning one, because as I noted the assets Oracle is playing with were essentially free. All it had to do to get the crown jewels of open source was play a little poker, a game where you win by convincing others your hand is something it’s not.

Open source is not dead, of course. Solaris and the other projects Oracle has bought could be forked. Or can they? Didn’t Google fork Java for Android, and isn’t Oracle now saying in legal papers its control of Java is protected by patents?

And if there’s one thing an enterprise buyer wants to see less than a bill, it’s a lawyer. Lawyers can scare Danas of both sexes.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/oracle-aims-to-destroy-open-source-software-industry/7172?tag=mantle_skin;content
PETITION UPDATE


Quote:The Save MySQL petition is now closed.

We want to first extend a big thanks to all the 50,000+ people that participated in this effort.

Thanks to the Save MySQL email campaign and this petition we got some public promises from Oracle and even got Russia to require firm commitments from Oracle, which will at least ensure that some version of MySQL will be available as Open Source for the next 4 years.

In the end the European union approved of Oracle getting Sun and MySQL, without requiring any commitments. The decision can be found here.

The fight is however not over yet. At least EU, Russia, Australia will keep a close eye on Oracle for the next 4-5 years. If Oracle doesn't keep a close eye on Oracle for the next 4-5 years. If Oracle doesn't honor their commitments or if there is a notable decrease of competition in the database field they may still act. There may also be an appeal for the current decision in EU as there is many open questions about how the decision was reached and also the fact that the final decision doesn't answer many of the questions raised in the original statement of objection. If needed, we will make the petition data available to any regulators that requests it.

Now it's however time to wait and see what will happen. We at Monty Program Ab will continue to work on MariaDB, an extended drop in replacement of MySQL that will be guaranteed free for all future. We just released our first stable release and we are now working on the next release. We also offer support, training and consulting for MariaDB or MySQL, if you would happen to need it.

Thanks for all the help!

Michael Widenius
Creator of MySQL & MariaDB
http://www.helpmysql.org/en/thanks
While the petition was still active ORACLE put out these promises:

Quote:Dec 14, 2009 01:00 ET
Oracle Makes Commitments to Customers, Developers and Users of MySQL

REDWOOD SHORES, CA--(Marketwire - December 14, 2009) - Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) has engaged in constructive discussions with the European Commission regarding the concerns expressed by the Commission about the Oracle/Sun Microsystems transaction, and in particular the maintenance of MySQL as a competitive force in the database market.

In order further to reassure the Commission, Oracle hereby publicly commits to the following:

1. Continued Availability of Storage Engine APIs. Oracle shall maintain and periodically enhance MySQL's Pluggable Storage Engine Architecture to allow users the flexibility to choose from a portfolio of native and third party supplied storage engines.

MySQL's Pluggable Storage Engine Architecture shall mean MySQL's current practice of using, publicly-available, documented application programming interfaces to allow storage engine vendors to "plug" into the MySQL database server. Documentation shall be consistent with the documentation currently provided by Sun.

2. Non-assertion. As copyright holder, Oracle will change Sun's current policy and shall not assert or threaten to assert against anyone that a third party vendor's implementations of storage engines must be released under the GPL because they have implemented the application programming interfaces available as part of MySQL's Pluggable Storage Engine Architecture.

A commercial license will not be required by Oracle from third party storage engine vendors in order to implement the application programming interfaces available as part of MySQL's Pluggable Storage Engine Architecture.

Oracle shall reproduce this commitment in contractual commitments to storage vendors who at present have a commercial license with Sun.

3. License commitment. Upon termination of their current MySQL OEM Agreement, Oracle shall offer storage vendors who at present have a commercial license with Sun an extension of their Agreement on the same terms and conditions for a term not exceeding December 10, 2014.

Oracle shall reproduce this commitment in contractual commitments to storage vendors who at present have a commercial license with Sun.

4. Commitment to enhance MySQL in the future under the GPL. Oracle shall continue to enhance MySQL and make subsequent versions of MySQL, including Version 6, available under the GPL. Oracle will not release any new, enhanced version of MySQL Enterprise Edition without contemporaneously releasing a new, also enhanced version of MySQL Community Edition licensed under the GPL. Oracle shall continue to make the source code of all versions of MySQL Community Edition publicly available at no charge.

5. Support not mandatory. Customers will not be required to purchase support services from Oracle as a condition to obtaining a commercial license to MySQL.

6. Increase spending on MySQL research and development. Oracle commits to make available appropriate funding for the MySQL continued development (GPL version and commercial version). During each of the next three years, Oracle will spend more on research and development (R&D) for the MySQL Global Business Unit than Sun spent in its most recent fiscal year (USD 24 million) preceding the closing of the transaction.

7. MySQL Customer Advisory Board. No later than six months after the anniversary of the closing, Oracle will create and fund a customer advisory board, including in particular end users and embedded customers, to provide guidance and feedback on MySQL development priorities and other issues of importance to MySQL customers.

8. MySQL Storage Engine Vendor Advisory Board. No later than six months after the anniversary of the closing, Oracle will create and fund a storage engine vendor advisory board, to provide guidance and feedback on MySQL development priorities and other issues of importance to MySQL storage engine vendors.

9. MySQL Reference Manual. Oracle will continue to maintain, update and make available for download at no charge a MySQL Reference Manual similar in quality to that currently made available by Sun.

10. Preserve Customer Choice for Support. Oracle will ensure that end-user and embedded customers paying for MySQL support subscriptions will be able to renew their subscriptions on an annual or multi-year basis, according to the customer's preference.

The geographic scope of these commitments shall be worldwide and these commitments shall continue until the fifth anniversary of the closing of the transaction.

Cautionary Statement Regarding Forward-Looking Statements
This press release contains certain forward-looking statements about Oracle, Sun and MySQL, including statements that involve risks and uncertainties such as the satisfaction of conditions to closing the transaction, including clearance of the transaction by the European Commission. When used in this press release, the words "shall," "plans," "commits" and "will" and other similar expressions and any other statements that are not historical facts are intended to identify those assertions as forward-looking statements. Any such statement is subject to a number of potential risks and uncertainties, which may include, among others, the possibility that the transaction will not be cleared by relevant regulatory authorities, the transaction may not otherwise close or that the closing of the proposed transaction may be further delayed and the possibility that Oracle or Sun may be adversely affected by other economic, business, and/or competitive factors. Accordingly, no assurances can be given that the European Commission will clear the transaction, that the closing will transpire or occur, or if these events occur, what impact they will have on the results of operations or financial condition of Oracle or Sun.

In addition, please refer to the documents that Oracle and Sun, respectively, file with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "SEC") on Forms 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K for additional risks. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of this press release. Neither Oracle nor Sun is under any duty to update any of the information in this press release.

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http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Makes-Commitments-to-Customers-Developers-and-Users-of-MySQL-NASDAQ-ORCL-1090000.htm
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08-20-2010, 12:51 AM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
Sun isn't the hub of open-source. I want Oracle to burn in hell, but open source advocates may very well have provided a breach-hole too big for a "Dutch Boy's" fingers to plug up. electronic anarchists have been running amok since the inception of open-source idealism, and there's enough of a toe-hold in business markets to keep the easy Linux formats creeping into home systems... I've almost got a lifelong IBM employee to switch over...

As long as it happens fast enough without a private, strangling hand reaching in, the only thing that will keep it from spreading is a shut-down of the global power grid.

Either instance will be a sign of things to come.
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07-30-2011, 03:36 AM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
A little backstory on the Oracle takeover of Sun Microsystems the "trusted" guardian of the MySQL patent. What's next for open source? Watch your patents - why even bother with them at all in this situation for defensive purposes or whatever mumbo jumbo was used to transfer years of development over to Oracle.

Quote:EC Opens Deeper Probe of Oracle-Sun Merger
Sep 3, 2009 4:50 am
By Paul Meller, IDG News

The European Commission opened an in-depth investigation into Oracle's planned $7.4 billion takeover of Sun Microsystems Thursday, citing "serious concerns" about the deal's effect on competition in the market for databases.Europe's top competition authority called for a closer look at the deal after conducting a routine month-long examination. The Commission "has to examine very carefully the effects on competition in Europe when the world's leading proprietary database company proposes to take over the world's leading open source database company," said Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes in a statement. Sun competes against Oracle, among others, with its open source database, MySQL.The Commission's job in the extended investigation "is to ensure that customers would not face reduced choice or higher prices as a result of this takeover," she said.The database market is highly concentrated with the three main competitors of proprietary databases -- Oracle, IBM and Microsoft -- controlling roughly 85 percent of the market in terms of revenue, the Commission said in a statement. Oracle is the market leader in proprietary databases, while Sun's MySQL database product is the leading open source database. The Oracle databases and Sun's MySQL "compete directly in many sectors of the database market and MySQL is widely expected to represent a greater competitive constraint as it becomes increasingly functional," the Commission said.

The Commission said that during its initial probe it found that the open source nature of Sun's MySQL might not eliminate fully the potential for anti-competitive effects.

"In its in-depth investigation, the Commission will therefore address a number of issues, including Oracle's incentive to further develop MySQL as an open source database," the Commission said.
Full Story: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171368/ec_opens_deeper_probe_of_oraclesun_merger.html

Well in the end they approved it. So did everyone else.

Onto more recent developments:

Quote:List: php-internals
Subject: [PHP-DEV] deprecating ext/mysql
From: Philip Olson <philip () roshambo ! org>
Date: 2011-07-10 17:03:36
Message-ID: 9F1FA580-FD3F-4C3F-9E26-51A095CF6EE9 () roshambo ! org
[Download message RAW]

Greetings PHP geeks,

Don't panic! This is not a proposal to add errors or remove this popular extension. \
Not yet anyway, because it's too popular to do that now.

The documentation team is discussing the database security situation, and educating \
users to move away from the commonly used ext/mysql extension is part of this.

This proposal only deals with education, and requests permission to officially \
convince people to stop using this old extension. This means:

- Add notes that refer to it as deprecated
- Recommend and link alternatives
- Include examples of alternatives

There are two alternative extensions: pdo_mysql and mysqli, with PDO being the PHP \
way and main focus of future endeavors. Right? Please don't digress into the PDO v2 \
fiasco here.

What this means to ext/mysql:

- Softly deprecate ext/mysql with education (docs) starting today
- Not adding E_DEPRECATED errors in 5.4, but revisit for 5.5/6.0
- Add pdo_mysql examples within the ext/mysql docs that mimic the current
examples, but occasionally introduce features like prepared statements
- Focus energy on cleaning up the pdo_mysql and mysqli documentation
- Create a general "The MySQL situation" document that explains the situation

The PHP community has been recommending alternatives for several years now, so \
hopefully this won't be a new concept or shock to most users.

Regards,
Philip
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It will create a lot more work in migrating old systems and abstracting database calls for code written without wrappers.

It is a force play with mandatory upgrades to PHP5 and the deprecation of ext/MySQL. That eliminates choice in open source. If some other group tries to develop another branch Oracle can simply invoke their patent rights and/or the cyber-security card could be played.

Looks like I'll be switching over to PostgreSQL Sad to see it come to this, let it be a lesson that open source and patents don't mix.

Here are some comments from fellow programmers.

The Plot To Kill Php Mysql Extension
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-714539.0.html

Related story on software patents and how they hinder development by The Mozilla Foundation.

Mozilla And Software Patents In New Zealand
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/07/mozilla_and_sof.html

.. but then Mozilla joins the OIN started by IBM and they are very pro-patent.

Mozilla Pays for a Shield From Software Patents, Free Software Proponents Cautiously Sceptical
http://techrights.org/2010/09/22/mozilla-joins-oin/

I can't seem to find any registered Mozilla patents yet but I'd think they'd be under MPL. Here is some dissective criticism by OSS Watch of the Mozilla Public Licence.

The Mozilla Public License - An Overview
http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/mpl.xml

Mozilla just official announced they were getting into the cell phone (Mobile OS) market.

Mozilla is building it’s own open mobile OS
http://www.silobreaker.com/mozilla-is-building-its-own-open-mobile-os-5_2264735885813612607
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08-01-2011, 06:06 AM,
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RE: Save MySQL, The World's Largest Open Source Database, from Oracle's Clutches
(01-02-2010, 09:14 PM)yeti Wrote: While I can't stand MySQL - it's a POS, not even a real rdbms - I don't like Oracle either. Not for its lack of quality, but because they charge too much, and are very aggressive against their competition.

I use PostgreSQL whenever possible, and recommend it to anybody using open source.

Interesting I'll need to check out PostgreSQl

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