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Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
12-17-2009, 12:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2009, 12:38 PM by humbug.)
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Rainbow  Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
Controversial Irish company Steorn goes into the second round of their public Demonstrations. Good luck to them, lets hope their are no ball bearing excuses. This time it seems they are using a battery.
Looking forward to a nice discussion, whatever the outcome, prepare for the wrath of science!

Check out their website for more infos
http://www.steorn.com/
or PureEnergySystems at
http://pesn.com//2009/12/15/9501594_Steorn_demos_e-Orbo/

http://www.gizmag.com/steorn-orbo-perpetual-motion-demonstration/13625/
Quote:Remember that zany Irish company Steorn, who claimed to have built a working perpetual motion machine that could produce clean, free energy out of a few magnets and some plastic discs? Well, they're back again. Undeterred by the fact that their own hand-picked jury of scientific judges unanimously agreed that the technology didn't work, Steorn has put its Orbo perpetual motion machine out for public display, and set up web feeds through which you can watch the thing in motion. But the demonstration has failed to impress critics, and for good reasons.

Perpetual motion, over-unity, whatever you want to call it, Steorn's Orbo is the latest in a long line of wondrous devices that claim to produce energy out of nothing, in direct violation of one of the best-understood and best-proven laws of physics, the second law of thermodynamics.

So many inventors have claimed they've built such devices over the years that the Royal Academy of Sciences in Paris got sick of wasting time evaluating them and has refused even to read proposals dealing with perpetual motion machines for more than 230 years.

And yet, in the enlightened noughties, Irishman Sean McCarthy has still managed to convince enough marks to manage to keep a company running for more than six years based on the promise of limitless free energy.

The Orbo device claims to use time variance in magnetic fields to keep a disc circling in a little stand, and Steorn says that once it's going, it can continue indefinitely without drawing energy from its surroundings or degrading its components - in fact, if you add up the work done by the Orbo "motor" and the heat put out by its magnetic coils, it's said to generate as much as three times the energy of the initial input.

To demonstrate this (after one previous public demo failed), Steorn has put the Orbo on display in Dublin's Waterways center. Rather than using the all-magnetic version of the device, the company has chosen to use one that's connected to a D-cell battery. The sort of D-cell battery that could probably power a similar low-friction electromagnetic device for days at a time with no magic free energy required.

The machine is operating under no visible load - it's just charging its own battery, if you believe McCarthy - and there's no devices attached to prove that it's making any sort of output at all. The Orbo has even stopped spinning on a few occasions, according to folks who have been watching the technology demonstration through one of three live webcasts at the Steorn website.

An electromagnetic motor that spins for hours at a time - riveting, and not the most convincing thing in the world. If it's a hoax, as most people suggest, you have to wonder why people bother with this sort of thing - is it the attention? Is there some sort of significant financial gain to be made from stringing gullible private investors along with a series of developments and tests that all fail for reasons entirely separate from the fact that the device contravenes the laws of physics?

Then again, we'd all love to believe that there's a magic solution for the looming energy crisis that will save the world using the power of unicorn farts and rainbows, so who are we to tell Steorn's investors that there's no Santa, this close to Christmas?

The demonstration is open to the public between 10am and 7pm from December 15-23 this year, and January 5-31 2010 at the Waterways center in Dublin. Pop in and see the future, folks.

Quote:I just noticed that the Steorn demo is not spinning, Live Stream, View 1, with ~400+ viewers watching. http://www.steorn.com/

I've had it in view for most of the day on one of my two computer monitors.

Jim Dunn said earlier today that there had been a couple of times when the device had to be stopped and fiddled with.

I'm surprised that Steorn didn't have meters (current, voltage, rpm) shown and have a better way to show a net energy gain.

The predominant scientific criticism of this demo has been that "a D-cell battery could power something like that for days".

The demo as presented doesn't seem to be convincing very many people of anything, especially with any interruptions of the rotation in so short a time.

Also, there needs to be a collective forum for those who are watching on to be able to log what they see. Otherwise how are we to know what happened during those times we are not watching? I'm seeing the thing stopped presently, but I didn't see the earlier times Jim mentioned.
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12-17-2009, 07:00 PM,
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RE: Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
Update, obvious one I missed before:

"Otherwise this appears to be just another Bedini motor, which we have all built and played with."
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12-17-2009, 11:22 PM,
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RE: Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
Yes that is correct.
There has been much talk of this Steorn lameness on the Bedini Monopole group. There's plenty of ways to get the energy but everyone keeps building an SSG or an SG. Lame!
Edwin Gray had a different way, Peter Lindemann has several different ways. Other ways should be explored as I think Bedini has this method covered.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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12-17-2009, 11:34 PM,
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RE: Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
Thanks for the heads up on the Bedini Monopole group, great to see other methods being explored!

How is your research going?

At the moment I'm still looking into the Schauberger approach since my hometown is close to the PythagorasKeplerSchauberger(PKS) institute, the more approaches the merrier.

A new energy from the vacuum is out too, sad story, alcohol, jealousy and fire.
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12-17-2009, 11:44 PM,
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RE: Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
Right now I am playing with "shuttle circuits", as Tesla coined them. Still learning like mad as each experiment shows me different characteristics of radiant energy.

I'll have to look into the Schauberger info as I am not familiar with that way. Smile
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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12-20-2009, 06:36 PM,
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RE: Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
I'm sure many of you have seen this, but have you investigated it, or pondered on what is really going on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ

Reidar Finsrud's website
http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/

While the Universe appears infinate to us, it may not be. As Earth circles our Sun, it appears infinate, yet were pretty sure it's not. All of these things we see are infinate to the mote in our eye. So if we talk on that scale, perpetual motion and perpetual energy exists everwhere in front of our eyes.

All we have to do is capture some of that energy. If something is created to vibrate in resonance like a pendulum, and it were designed to operate at a precise frequency that was in resonance with another energy present in it's environment. It can in fact draw from that other force like a surfer riding a wave on the ocean. What if the wave of energy were "for ever constant" perpetual?

It takes 3.9 seconds for the ball to make one cycle. A direct octive of one half the wave energy of the Schuuman frequency on Planet Earth, or 1/20 times the Schuuman. The Schuuman is 7.8cps and is the electrcal vibration energy that surrounds planet earth. This energy is an AC signal on a DC voltage field that exists between ground level and the ionosphere. Both voltage and frequency rise with altitude, but in resonant jumps. Any change in voltage includes a change in magnetic field.

The official diameter of Eath is aprox 40,000klm . Traveling at the speed of light around an earth of 39,000klm , light, or the signal of light will circle the Earth 7.8 times in one second.

Quoincidence? NO

It has to do with the primary particle we call mater, and it's diameter, and it's ability to transfer waves of energy at the constant speed of light due to it's spinn speed, or one of it's resonant frequencies and octives.

Can you now see "Perpetual in motion" ? I can, see, "The spirit of God that moves upon the face of the waters". And I drink of his blood and eat of his flesh daily, because he surounds me. It's not a religion, but a science, and what has become of science but an abomination, for science was once the persuit of the truth, but now lay a "waste and a desolation" for the foundation is cracked and the temple is now crubling under it's own weight.

Ed Leedskalnin had a sign at his gate, (still there). "Ring bell, Ring twice" for you can't achieve resonance in less then two cycles, however loooong those two cycles are.

Thomas
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12-20-2009, 11:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-21-2009, 12:07 PM by Easy Skanking.)
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RE: Perpetual Humbug,... Not?
(12-20-2009, 06:36 PM)Lightwave Wrote: I'm sure many of you have seen this, but have you investigated it, or pondered on what is really going on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ

Reidar Finsrud's website
http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/

While the Universe appears infinate to us, it may not be. As Earth circles our Sun, it appears infinate, yet were pretty sure it's not. All of these things we see are infinate to the mote in our eye. So if we talk on that scale, perpetual motion and perpetual energy exists everwhere in front of our eyes.

All we have to do is capture some of that energy. If something is created to vibrate in resonance like a pendulum, and it were designed to operate at a precise frequency that was in resonance with another energy present in it's environment. It can in fact draw from that other force like a surfer riding a wave on the ocean. What if the wave of energy were "for ever constant" perpetual?

It takes 3.9 seconds for the ball to make one cycle. A direct octive of one half the wave energy of the Schuuman frequency on Planet Earth, or 1/20 times the Schuuman. The Schuuman is 7.8cps and is the electrcal vibration energy that surrounds planet earth. This energy is an AC signal on a DC voltage field that exists between ground level and the ionosphere. Both voltage and frequency rise with altitude, but in resonant jumps. Any change in voltage includes a change in magnetic field.

The official diameter of Eath is aprox 40,000klm . Traveling at the speed of light around an earth of 39,000klm , light, or the signal of light will circle the Earth 7.8 times in one second.

Quoincidence? NO

Speaking of Tesla or Bedini as "perpetual motion" is a misnomer. Apples to Oranges. Everything those two have shown has a cost and is finite even though the values are great.

(12-20-2009, 06:36 PM)Lightwave Wrote: It has to do with the primary particle we call mater, and it's diameter, and it's ability to transfer waves of energy at the constant speed of light due to it's spinn speed, or one of it's resonant frequencies and octives.

Can you now see "Perpetual in motion" ? I can, see, "The spirit of God that moves upon the face of the waters". And I drink of his blood and eat of his flesh daily, because he surounds me. It's not a religion, but a science, and what has become of science but an abomination, for science was once the persuit of the truth, but now lay a "waste and a desolation" for the foundation is cracked and the temple is now crubling under it's own weight.

Ed Leedskalnin had a sign at his gate, (still there). "Ring bell, Ring twice" for you can't achieve resonance in less then two cycles, however loooong those two cycles are.

Thomas

Matter also is not a particle. Matter is energy, aka waves, condensed down to slow vibrations that we assume are "solid" due to the limitations of our sensory perceptions. Therefore it has no constant diameter but does have a waveshape in 4-d space-time that oscillates at it's standing wave frequency. Those very same standing EM waves are what is used to siphon off energy in some devices.

The speed of light is also not constant. It varies according to transmission medium. The speed of light is only the maximum speed for transmission in an absolute vacuum and that oscillates as well around c.

The device you cite as example, is interesting but does not operate in resonance to the Schumann frequencies as those operate at a range of frequencies. The machine is in resonance with itself otherwise there would be speed fluctuations to match the oscillation.

Quote:The Schumann Resonances

The 7.83 Hz. Schumann Resonance figure many people hear about is a number made popular by researcher Robert Beck whose work on ELF signals, Earth resonances, and their affect on brain wave frequencies was presented at a U.S. Psychotronic conference and published in late 1970's. He reported that 7.83 Hz is a brainwave frequency often detected when psychics are in their intuiting mode. Others following his work proclaimed the Schumann Resonance to be 7.83 Hz., although this has led to some confusion as to the true nature of the Schumann Resonances (yes plural), and to the assumption that Earth herself resonates at this frequency, which it does not.

In actuality, there are several frequencies between 7 and 50 Hertz that compose the Schumann Resonances. These frequencies start at 7.8 Hz and progress by approximately 5.9 Hz. (7.8, 13.7, 19.6, 25.5, 31.4, 37.3, and 43.2 Hz.). These resonances are NOT composed of fixed or specific frequencies any more than the collective mood of human surface consciousness is fixed. Changes occurring in these frequencies are quite normal and do not indicate anything out of the ordinary. All of these frequencies fluctuate around their nominal values. For example, the fundamental Schumann frequency fluctuates between 7.0 Hz. to 8.5 Hz. These frequencies vary from geological location to location, and they can even have naturally occurring interruptions.

These frequencies were first calculated by Schumann in 1952, he reporting the lowest in the group to be about 10 Hz. They were later measured by the National Bureau of Standards at Boulder Colorado in the 1960's where the 7.8 Hz nominal figure was discovered with the 5.9 Hz progressing overtones.

The Schumann Resonances are the result of cosmic energy build-up within the cavity that exists between Earth's highly conductive surface and the conducting layer in the upper atmosphere called the ionosphere.* This creates a world-wide lightning display of broadband electromagnetic impulses that fill this cavity and that act as the stimulus for the cavity to resonate.

* A part of Earth's upper atmosphere is ionized plasma caused by the sun's ultraviolet radiation.
This layer, the ionosphere, couples Earth's outer magnetosphere with Earth's inner neutral atmosphere.

The Schumann Resonances are a part of many frequencies that create Earth's "Harmonic Signature."

The 7.8 Hz. Schumann fundamental frequency is quite close to Earth's 7.5 Hz. circumference harmonic (calculated using the speed of light at Earth's surface). It is also close to 8 Hz., an ideal number from a mathematical perspective. Because of all of these factors, the 7.83 Hz. frequency, the 7.8 Schumann Resonance or an 8 Hz. frequency, had been proclaimed by some to be an ideal frequency to attune to, and that to electronically generate a frequency in this range may even protect us from unwanted harmful frequencies--a point upon which I tend to differ and elucidate in the "Light and Sound for Healing" section below.

To support our greatest well being, and to make possible our evolution and spiritual awakening, we must allow ourselves (and our brainwave patterns) to breath in concert with mother Earth and with her natural cycles moment to moment. The Earth is a spherical receiver of cosmic energy (evolutionary intelligence) which directs our biological process and spiritual evolutionary unfoldment. The Earth re-radiates the cosmic information it receives from its core outward in complex long-wave signals. We receive these signals via our spinal columns and cranial structures (a vertical antenna system). The cranial cavity, the capstone to this antenna captures this information and re-focuses it to the pineal gland, a neuro-endocrine transducer in the center of the brain, where it is then transmitted (via the hypothalamus) as signals that direct the pituitary gland, the master control center of the brain. These signals are further distributed via the rest of the neurological sytem.

Signals in nature breath and meander. Only man made signals are well-defined sign-wave frequencies. It is possible to entrain the brain with artificially generated signals in a matter of seconds. We are not intended to function at one specific frequency. Entraining ourselves with artificially generated frequencies for extended periods, whether 8 Hz or by the 50 and 60 Hz power fields we live in, can be debilitating and is dangerous. It can create degeneration, disease, and mental, emotional, and physical disharmony and imbalance. Most importantly, it can keep us from receiving and integrating the cosmic intelligence provided by mother Earth in a harmonious way. That intelligence is responsible for our evolutionary awakening. It is more important now than ever to be attuned to Earth's core, and the natural cycles of nature for our psychophysiological stability and spiritual awakening.

There has also been rumor circulating in some esoteric circles about the 7.8 Hz. Schumann frequency increasing and that this implies a raising of the awareness or spirituality of human consciousness. In my opinion, both points are nonsense built upon misunderstandings about the fluctuating and multi-frequency nature of the Schumann Resonances and about the nature of frequencies in general. Even if it were true (which would require a significant change in the physical size of the Earth or in her surrounding atmosphere), an increase in frequency does not imply an increase in awareness--on the contrary if anything. From a philosophical perspective, if one were to extend their field of perception out to embrace more space, one would be relaxing their brainwave patterns toward a longer wavelength, toward zero, not increasing their brainwave frequencies. When people say, they are increasing in frequency, or increasing their vibrational rate, and they are referring to shifting from a material form to a light form, or to a more transcendent dimensional form, these terms (used to describe frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum) are really inappropriately applied. They are implying general concepts of thought only and should be understood as such.

Oh, btw the correct spellings are octave and infinite. Sorry but that just bugs me.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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