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Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
12-15-2009, 03:54 AM,
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Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an alleged pedophile)
Wonderland ^ | October 8 2009

Posted on Sonntag, 11. Oktober 2009 20:01:53 by lizol

Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case

Two murders shocked my hometown Kaunas. When I heard that a judge was murdered, I thought, 'Mafia shootouts - here they go again'... We have more or less forgotten about them since the 90s. However, the case proved to be quite different. It provokes thousands of comments on news portals every day now.

Apparently, almost a year ago, or so they say, the judge, the other victim and the judge's colleague were accused of child molesting by Drasius Kedys, the father of the child concerned, and he is now the key suspect.

The suspect, whose name means 'brave' in Lithuanian, legally kept a gun. He was divorced, and didn't have the custody of the child. Yet when he or his mother heard the stories the child told, the father tried all available means to open a legal case against the judges - to no avail. Facing resistance within the system, he addressed the media, and his cause was presented to the public. It's a bit more problematic than the father would like it to seem - he himself objected to 10-day psychiatric monitoring of his child. He said this is due to his fears that the judges would put pressure on both the medical experts and the child.

As the case was still 'frozen', he is now believed to have committed an act of desperation - he shot down one of the judges and the child's aunt, whom he accuses of 'supplying' young children to the judges. Nothing is proved yet, and there is no evidence to close the case or label anybody 'pedophile' or anything (let's not forget the presumption of innocence), but one thing is clear: there was resistance within the system to the opening of the legal case, and there are grounds to believe that this is due to the factual impunity of judges. They are also immune to media pressure as they are not elected.

What is interesting is that the police reports that hardly any citizens called to indicate the whereabouts of the suspect. One out of three or four of those who did call reported seeing him in the old town - that would be very brave of a suspected murderer. In other famous murder cases, the police would get thousands of phone calls. Comments in online portals show a huge wave of solidarity with this 'lonely fighter against the system'. Most people would recall their own bad experiences with the judiciary - or at least reading about their corruption. It doesn't feel as if this, I would even say, act of terrorism is romanticised. It rather feels that it expresses and embodies the anger and frustration that people feel over not having their rights properly defended. Therefore people empathise with the suspect. Even more people will now admit that physical violence is the only means of getting through the complex layers of the system, and this is scary.

This event reminds me of a case in Russia, when a man brought his wife to hospital and was made to wait as the staff expected a bribe. The wife died, the man went home, took a gun, shot down each one of the staff that refused to treat his wife, and killed himself.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2360092/posts
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12-15-2009, 04:00 AM,
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RE: Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
Stories of my four-year old daughter about naked men, her being
undressed, her being licked and requests to lick big sysalai (as the
little girl calls men’s genital organs), dripping out cream, her being
covered with that “natural” cream, becoming of sysalas very little
(after the “cream” run out), putting sysalas into her mouth, its
pulling forward/ back, shouting strange sounds, putting and pulling
sysalas in the room, bathroom, lavatory… everywhere, always, hundreds
of times when she visited her “Mummy” at weekends (even on Christening
day of my daughter) do not move none of officers involved in
prejudicial inquiry. Nothing happened here… The girl is alive. Her
mother got money from those with big sysalai for living.
Three interrogations of my daughter about circumstances of sexual
abuse (even if, according to law regulations, a child may be
interrogated only once), complex forensic psychiatry done with my
daughter, forensic psychology expertise with a categorical conclusion
that my daughter can properly understand particularly essential
circumstances of the case and testify. Increased predisposition to
fantasise was not identified. Ten psychologists that participated in
interrogations were not able to determine “lies” of the child.
However, all this does not mean anything in our Legal State.
Categorical request of prosecutors to constantly interrogate the child
(after she was interrogated and examined already) allows them to take
the decision – the child was not sexually abused.
I do not know. Maybe, as her father, I look with another eye upon this
situation and understand words of the girl repeated during
interrogations and expertise. But maybe there are people in Lithuania
who cannot understand words of the child in a different way – it is
disgusting violence, orgies of degenerates, perverts, paedophiles… I
do not know, maybe “qualified” prosecutors think differently…
Maybe prosecutors see their other faces because participants of these
orgies are Member of Presidium of Citizen Democracy Party, ex-Public
adviser of the Member of Seimas V. Muntianas, ex-Head of Kaunas branch
of Labour Party Andrius Ūsas, Judge of Kaunas County Court Jonas
Furmanavičius, and their third blond-haired friend Aidas. To me, they
all are paedophiles. I shall never forget a question of my four-year
old daughter to me, her father of 36 years-old, telling me about their
sysalai that smelled shit and dripping out cream: “Are you a baby,
Daddy? You do not understand anything?”.
I understand that we faced “čekanavičiai” which are in power,
politics, Court… I wish to everybody not to meet such people in your
life… For this “created” slander I was entered in a criminal case. It
is requested to adjudge one million Litas to compensate immaterial
damage… It does not matter how it all ends, but I shall not be silent:
for the sake of my raped little daughter, for the sake of the raped
children and future victims that may appear if we do not punish these
people. Maybe, after reading my words, victims and relatives of these
perverts shall respond.
All my requests to prosecutors are rejected. The request to
interrogate Judge of Kaunas County Court was rejected by the
prosecutor Kiuršinas, as information about the Judge is not checked by
process actions: the indicated way of recognition was not performed
according to norms of the Criminal Code of Practice of the Republic of
Lithuania. Therefore, it does not have any legal power. Interrogation
subject-matter is not indicated in the request to interrogate; it is
also not indicate what information useful for investigation should be
received after interrogation of the Judge. I do not understand
anything: can I, as a legal representative of aggrieved little girl,
check the obtained information by process actions; can I perform
recognition by norms of the Criminal Code of Practice of the Republic
of Lithuania. Apart from that, I do not understand whether evidence of
the indicated by the little girl people who visited the place of her
sexual abuse can be significant in a criminal case. It is not my
competence, but obligation of the officers carrying this prejudicial
inquiry who get paid by the Government to take all the foreseen means
to investigate and reveal criminal activity in the shortest possible
period of time.
Even funnier that one could imagine – my last complaints on actions of
the prosecutor A. Kiuršinas addressed to Supreme prosecutor of Kaunas
County K. Betingis and General prosecutor of the Republic of Lithuania
A. Valantinas were solved by the prosecutor A.Kiuršinas himself. I do
not know where to apply, what to do, how to fight paedophiles.
The main national legal act – Constitution of the Republic of
Lithuania – embeds general provisions on human rights and protection
of freedom and constitutional State obligation to save and protect
childhood and cherish children. Prosecutor’s office is a State
institution performing functions determined in Constitution of the
Republic of Lithuania, Prosecution law and other legal acts.
Prosecutor and institutions of prejudicial inquiry in every case of
criminal activity have to perform all means foreseen by the legal acts
to reveal criminal activity. Attempts of prosecutors G.Ročienė,
R.Čivinskaitė, A.Kiuršinas, K.Betingis to perform everything, or
better to say nothing, are constantly repeated. I want to believe that
there are just and honest officers in this rotten country who would do
everything for paedophiles and perverts to pay the penalty. Presently
performed prejudicial inquiry is a repeated trauma for my little
daughter, me and my parents. If anybody understood what happens in the
independent Lithuania, please do something, help us. If it is still
possible to do anything. As the “Ročienė“, „Čivinskaitė“, „Kiuršinas“
or „Betingis“ shall never help. They dream to finish their reputable
service and get happy and solid senescence...

Drąsius Kedys

http://www.pedofilai.com/

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.baltics/browse_thread/thread/d9919ab804add06e/89eceb8279848418?lnk=raot
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12-15-2009, 04:08 PM,
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RE: Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
Crazy shit. I dont have kids yet. But my heart goes out to that father. I dont think I'd even be anywhere near as calm as he seems to be in that writing.
Interesting post.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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12-15-2009, 05:44 PM,
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RE: Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
it's gets more interesting because the executed judge was jewish... other lithuanian jews involved in the legal system potentially implicated in this alleged paedo ring have supposedly fled to Israel.

There is a significant upswell of anti jewish sentiment in Lithuania too.

this guy is a hero for many different types of people - not least stormfront.
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12-15-2009, 06:24 PM,
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RE: Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
Jewish or Israeli matters not, if it was my kid, I'd hunt them down all the same. Let predator feel what its like to become prey.
And anyone that would defend them on account of some proposed religious/nationalist solidarity better not get in the way.
If there were ever a reason to disregard my humanity, it would be on behalf of my kids. And I have no problems with that.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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12-15-2009, 06:47 PM,
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RE: Shootings and solidarity: a very problematic case (Lithuanian father killed an allege
(12-15-2009, 06:24 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Jewish or Israeli matters not, if it was my kid, I'd hunt them down all the same. Let predator feel what its like to become prey.
And anyone that would defend them on account of some proposed religious/nationalist solidarity better not get in the way.
If there were ever a reason to disregard my humanity, it would be on behalf of my kids. And I have no problems with that.

iyeah, well let's just hope he didn't gun down an innocent man.

the second killing looks like a frame, if you ask me.
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