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Space tourism to take off in Kiruna, Sweden
12-13-2009, 07:15 PM,
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Space tourism to take off in Kiruna

Published: 12 Dec 09 12:48 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/23812/20091212/

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If all goes to plan, billionaire Richard Branson’s spaceships will take off with tourists on board in 2012 – from Kiruna in the far north of Sweden.

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“Space tourism sounds like science fiction, but we are talking about only a number of years into the future,” Johanna Bergström-Roos, from the Esrange space centre in Kiruna, told the newspaper Dagens Nyheter.

Earlier last week, billionaire Richard Branson paraded his company Virgin Galactic’s specially designed tourist ship ‘SpaceShipTwo’, which will take tourists out into space. Virgin Galactic, has selected two 'spaceports', from where tourists will be able to launch into space. One of the spaceports is in New Mexico, while the other is the Sweden Spaceport, in Kiruna.

If all goes according to plan, space tourists may be flocking to Kiruna within several years. “Virgin Galactic has its spaceport in America and will commence their first flights there in 2011. When they have been operating for half a year, it will then be time for the European market, and they’ll then come to us,” Bergström-Roos told Dagens Nyheter.

In an earlier interview with TV4, Branson said that space journeys from Kiruna could be a reality by 2012. “We would love to send up people in a rocket so that they get to experience the northern lights from space. Sweden has been very welcoming and very enthusiastic about this project, so I am hopeful that fairly soon after we start our space programme from New Mexico we can start up in the north of Sweden.”

Virgin Galactic’s spaceship carries six passengers and two pilots. The spaceship is attached to a mothership that looks like an airplane. The mothership carries the spaceship to approximately 15 kilometers above the earth (ordinary intercontinental airplanes fly at around 10 kilometers high).

At 15,000 metres, the mothership releases the spaceship, which freefalls before its rocket motors fire up, accelerating the spaceship upwards again. The rocket’s motors are turned off again and the rocket continues in its upwards trajectory until it reaches its zenith point, when it freefalls again. “This is called air launch. The spaceship starts in the air from free fall and glides for approximately 90 seconds, to about 10 kilometers high. A little like a rollercoaster, first free fall and then up in the air at full speed,” explained Bergström-Roos.

“When the spaceship travels in free fall the passengers are weightless … Then they are unlatched from their chairs and they drop to the floor so they can tumble about and explore the experience of weightlessness,” she added. After four or five minutes it’s time to fasten themselves in again, as they head back into the Earth’s atmosphere. The entire trip will take around two-and-a-half hours.

There were many spaceports that sought out Virgin Galactic, but the space company chose Kiruna. “We have space expertise, fantastic wild nature, the northern lights and the ice hotel. It is not a bad package,” said Bergström-Roos, while emphasizing that Kiruna spaceport is an optimal place for space journeys from a safety standpoint. The area is uninhabited by the public, and Spaceport Sweden has conducted rocket launches since 1966.

Stuart Roberts (news@thelocal.se)
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12-14-2009, 12:31 AM,
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Quote:... There were many spaceports that sought out Virgin Galactic, but the space company chose Kiruna. “We have space expertise, fantastic wild nature, the northern lights and the ice hotel. It is not a bad package,” said Bergström-Roos, while emphasizing that Kiruna spaceport is an optimal place for space journeys from a safety standpoint. The area is uninhabited by the public, and Spaceport Sweden has conducted rocket launches since 1966.
Could be exciting ...

... thanks for posting this, joeblow!

It's surprising that this hasn't been done before.
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12-14-2009, 09:46 AM,
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RE: Space tourism to take off in Kiruna, Sweden
The growth of technology and innovation has been stunted through NASA which has co-opted the resources for military development which takes 20+ years (if ever) to bring the ideas to public realm. Privatization circumvents this but there is a danger that this innovation will be hidden under the protectionist / copyright banner. These laws are holding us back as a species.

The information needs to be freed to benefit all humanity under a new model that abolishes intellectual property and promotes sharing and cooperation. Needless to say, Richard Branson isn't quite the vehicle for this but it's a small move in the right direction ideologically - even though his technology is nothing really ground breaking and far from free.
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12-14-2009, 06:21 PM,
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"These laws are holding us back as a species."

well said!
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05-09-2010, 12:18 PM,
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Yaay capitalism - finally able to take humanity to the stars! If the commies don't stop us, of course, which is one of the main reasons for their depopulation agenda - keep us trapped on one "prison planet" where we'll be a lot easier to control.

Needless to say, space exploration would have been much farther along without all of the economic damage done to it by various forms of socialism (including in America), which squandered hundreds of billions of dollars to wave a few flags with relatively few practical benefits and no economically-sustainable positive feedback cycle of technological growth. Things like SBSP, asteroid mining, and space manufacturing would be the final stake in the heart of the communist / environmentalist cancer once and for all!
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05-09-2010, 12:25 PM,
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(05-09-2010, 12:18 PM)Sprite0 Wrote: Yaay capitalism - finally able to take humanity to the stars! If the commies don't stop us, of course, which is one of the main reasons for their depopulation agenda - keep us trapped on one "prison planet" where we'll be a lot easier to control.

Needless to say, space exploration would have been much farther along without all of the economic damage done to it by various forms of socialism (including in America), which squandered hundreds of billions of dollars to wave a few flags with relatively few practical benefits and no economically-sustainable positive feedback cycle of technological growth. Things like SBSP, asteroid mining, and space manufacturing would be the final stake in the heart of the communist / environmentalist cancer once and for all!

capitalism can only take humanity to the stars by forcing the greater part into the gutter where they may or may not stare up at the stars.

you sound like a robot with this "I was born in Russia so I know all, vive Capitalism the saviour of humankind" bullshit
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05-09-2010, 01:09 PM,
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(05-09-2010, 12:25 PM)nik Wrote: capitalism can only take humanity to the stars by forcing the greater part into the gutter where they may or may not stare up at the stars.

What do you base that on?


(05-09-2010, 12:25 PM)nik Wrote: you sound like a robot

Thank you.


(05-09-2010, 12:25 PM)nik Wrote: with this "I was born in Russia so I know all, vive Capitalism the saviour of humankind" bullshit

I'll be basing my arguments on reasoning and facts. My family's own experience under communism is only the spice of my arguments, added, you know, so as not to sound like a robot... too much...
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05-09-2010, 01:12 PM,
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RE: Space tourism to take off in Kiruna, Sweden
(05-09-2010, 01:09 PM)Sprite0 Wrote:
(05-09-2010, 12:25 PM)nik Wrote: capitalism can only take humanity to the stars by forcing the greater part into the gutter where they may or may not stare up at the stars.

What do you base that on?


(05-09-2010, 12:25 PM)nik Wrote: you sound like a robot

Thank you.


(05-09-2010, 12:25 PM)nik Wrote: with this "I was born in Russia so I know all, vive Capitalism the saviour of humankind" bullshit

I'll be basing my arguments on reasoning and facts. My family's own experience under communism is only the spice of my arguments, added, you know, so as not to sound like a robot... too much...

it's too binary - I grew up under communism ergo capitalism is savior
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05-09-2010, 01:27 PM,
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I never said that. I grew up under communism, came to New Jersey when I was 10 (summer of 1992), remained totally ignorant politically, got brainwashed into American left-wing mainstream, voted for Al Gore in 2000, got the "Bush derangement syndrome", started trying to think for myself politically (with initially embarrassing results), voted for the Green Party candidate in 2004 (the libertarian wasn't anti-war enough), then finally took half a decade to seriously study philosophy and economics, and gradually made my way to the libertarian / Anarcho-Capitalist position I hold today.
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05-09-2010, 10:43 PM,
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RE: Space tourism to take off in Kiruna, Sweden
Quote:voted for the Green Party candidate in 2004

I was once a Green Party supporter (Canada), they had conservative free market economy approach supported EEE senate reform, proportional representation, environmental accountability and even hinted about doing away with the government borrowing from private banks (Canada has a central bank that is a public crown corporation but is not utilized maybe 5% of Canadian debt is owed to it). Then for political gain they got on the Al Gore bandwagon, they were giving away copies of An Inconvenient Truth with donations of $25 or more.

I even put up a bloody lawn sign in 2004. They were either compromising their grassroots values, infiltrated or simply sold out. I had the opportunity to partake in an interview with the Green Party leader, Elisabeth May, she said all the right things and seemed very knowledgeable but when it came time for the public debates her stance changed on many issues and she censored herself to a point where she was but a dim shadow of the strong passionate informed woman I had recently had a dialogue with. She just told us what we wanted to hear, I've heard similar 'talks a big game' descriptions of Barack Obama but his (cloudy) history and affiliations speak for themselves. It was rather disheartening to see this kind of about face transformation of a person and the 'change from within' side of me died that day. If they get to a certain point they are bought and paid for, threatened or simply reveal their true colours.

There is one party, well more a movement now, in the US that has done its best to represent the people. I hadn't heard much on it until recently but it was founded in 1896 as the Populist Party or the People's Party which brought populism or rule by the people to the forefront to really attack what was tearing down the means and ability of the people that were taking it from a Republic to a Democracy and eventually a Plutocracy and now accelerating towards an Oligarchical Fascist Globalist State. It took aim at this by actually building community and regionally based systems of trade and education by the people themselves. Plenty of literature available on and off-line, much of which are on my 'to read' list. I fear a certain level of infiltration has taken place to date but the core is still visible - the movement could easily sway either way.

It has a key component that groups like We Are Change and the Tea Party do not have yet which is a clear direction, organization and a laid out set of goals and morals, right or wrong. The Zeitgeist Movement is simply delusional and a little too altruistic but presents some good points and deserves a mention, there are literally 100s if not 1000s of these groups that meet, march, protest, get loud, write letters and sign petitions. Without that moral base and core principals and goals oriented philosophy of building something alternative to the current machine a movement is simply too chaotic, and thus, impotent to invoke real change until they get their shit together and do so. This chaos an anger and information sharing phase is a necessary step in the evolution of an ideology and good for invoking discussion as to how to lay out the future path.
Icon_biggrin whoa, thread drift -- this was initially about space tourism. I was just reading and responding to the last few posts.
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05-09-2010, 11:08 PM,
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RE: Space tourism to take off in Kiruna, Sweden
(05-09-2010, 01:27 PM)Sprite0 Wrote: I never said that. I grew up under communism, came to New Jersey when I was 10 (summer of 1992), remained totally ignorant politically, got brainwashed into American left-wing mainstream, voted for Al Gore in 2000, got the "Bush derangement syndrome", started trying to think for myself politically (with initially embarrassing results), voted for the Green Party candidate in 2004 (the libertarian wasn't anti-war enough), then finally took half a decade to seriously study philosophy and economics, and gradually made my way to the libertarian / Anarcho-Capitalist position I hold today.

do you keep a lapel badge for each movement as you bind to them?
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05-10-2010, 01:06 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-10-2010, 01:14 AM by AlexLibman.)
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(05-09-2010, 10:43 PM)FastTadpole Wrote: I was once a Green Party supporter (Canada), they had conservative free market economy approach supported EEE senate reform, proportional representation, environmental accountability and even hinted about doing away with the government borrowing from private banks (Canada has a central bank that is a public crown corporation but is not utilized maybe 5% of Canadian debt is owed to it). Then for political gain they got on the Al Gore bandwagon, they were giving away copies of An Inconvenient Truth with donations of $25 or more. [...]

Yeah, Green Parties can be all over the map, which is how I fell for them in 2004. (Their demographic tilt for young impressionable females was also an attraction for me at the time. Too bad that doesn't apply to AnCaps - we have fewer chicks than the graduate Physics department at MIT...)

I'm a carless vegan ("tax resistance diet" is what I call it), but there's nothing "green" about it - just doing the things that make economic sense and reflect my values (i.e. off-the-grid independence).


(05-09-2010, 11:08 PM)nik Wrote: do you keep a lapel badge for each movement as you bind to them?

Well, excuse me for not being born all-knowing and enlightened...

I've been some sort of a libertarian since probably around 2002 (had a Geolibertarianism phase, etc), and I still jump between Minarchist and AnCap philosophies to some degree, while formulating my own in the process... but the differences are now moot. AnCaps obviously recognize the individual's Right to subscribe to more restrictive forms of government voluntarily. Minarchists should obviously understand that their government isn't universal and should not be imposed beyond its boundaries. It all works out!

See, unlike the various flavors of statism, we libertarians can just get along! Yessir, no World Wars to fight... [Image: smiley-happy005.gif]
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05-10-2010, 11:15 AM,
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you'll need private armies to keep your private hospitals private.
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05-10-2010, 05:29 PM,
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True, there will always be criminals and thus the need for self-defense, which most people and businesses will probably choose to delegate to professional protection agencies, but they would be quite different from the "armies" of today. In a free market society that recognizes Property Rights and the Right to Transparency, it would be pretty much impossible for any private entity to build something like a nuclear missile (at least not anywhere near Earth) - even planning such an idea would result in massive ostracism and quickly leave that private entity bankrupt.

Technological trends point at a differentiation between offensive weapons and passive / defensive / non-lethal self-defense technologies, with the former gradually becoming taboo. To quote Judge Napolitano talking about a member of the Free State Project, "the camera is the new gun". It will obviously take more than cameras to stop some people, but a lot fewer people would choose to engage in crime if they knew their reputation will be ruined for life: no one will hire them for a job, no one will permit them to rent living space or buy property in a reputable neighborhood, etc until they make amends.

(I recently expanded on these ideas a bit further on another forum.)
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