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Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
09-04-2006, 02:28 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?

This is a religion that was developed in Iran in the 17th century or something like that, they advocate one religion and one government for the whole world.....hmmmm sounds a lot like the Illuminati, they actually started to preach it for people in the muslim world to convert to Bahaism. Currently they have 7 million people.
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Andre Gide (1869 - 1951)
09-04-2006, 08:19 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
I actually know someone who is of the baha'i faith, not too common. Anyways from what I understand, they recognize the legitamacy of the different religous prophets (Jesus, mohamad, buddah, etc) I don't think there's anything sinister in what they are doing. I look at it this way, let's just assume there is a supreme being (God). I don't think it's a stretch to think that God would present itself to each group in way that they specifically can relate as well as cultural influences affecting the way they perceive it. So basically you different interpretations of the same devine being. It would be hard to argue one group being right over the other since they are kind of after the same thing just that they go about it differently. If each prophet is a mesanger from God than they are all valid and I think the baha'i recognize this. Taking this viewpoint of religion would certainly breed more tolerance and acceptance towards other religious views IMO. I think that rather than just creating a new religion they respect and work to preserve some the teachings of the others ( as well as whatever new teachings they were presented with through that latest prophet they had) These concepts had occurred to me long before i had even heard about the baha'i.
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
Interesting idea to have one world religion, which would necessitate the end of the various religious denominations that exist. And extending the use of the word denomination into a money angle, you could argue that one world currency could be a parallel development...a la euro...rumoured amero...

09-05-2006, 01:14 AM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
Its not only one religion, it also preaches one world government...thats what bothers me
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Andre Gide (1869 - 1951)
09-05-2006, 02:29 AM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
It shouldn't bother you, except if that God"vernment is corrupt. :huh:
09-05-2006, 05:30 AM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
Quote:It shouldn't bother you, except if that God"vernment is corrupt. :huh:

Yea, there's nothing wrong with a world government as long as it's done by the right people for the right reasons - for the advancement of human kind.
Knowledge moves mountains. Belief makes slaves.

Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom.
Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. -- Tao Te Ching
09-05-2006, 08:58 AM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?

This is a religion that was developed in Iran in the 17th century or something like that, they advocate one religion and one government for the whole world.....hmmmm sounds a lot like the Illuminati, they actually started to preach it for people in the muslim world to convert to Bahaism. Currently they have 7 million people.

I worked with a guy of the Ba Hai faith, even gave me a small book about. Interesting but has some weird shit in it, then again all religions are weird. Anway I heard the current fighting in Israel that they were close to the headquarters of the Bahai faith.
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09-06-2006, 07:37 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
just so everyone knows, the Quran the holy book of Muslims in Surah (chapter) 6, Ayat(verse) 159 (6:159) tells all beleiving Muslims not to enter into any sects, and that they shall be told the truth of what they did when they die. So, any so-called "Muslim" who calls himself other than a muslim (Shia, Sunni, sufi, etc.), and enters into a false sect, it is merely a false sect, and has nothign to do with orthodox Islam.
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09-06-2006, 09:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-06-2006, 09:33 PM by Skinski7.)
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
The B'hai religion is far more influential than most people realise. The philosophy taught of the B'hai faith is identical to the philosophy taught in the Mysteries and the B'hai faith is simply an exoteric organ of the Mysteries. The proponents of the B'hai movement support the collectivist view of reality and thus in turn support the unification of the world under a council of the wise in order to manage the world in a golden utopian age.

The B'hai faith promotes 'General and Complete Disarmanent' as envisioned by the United States State Department and the United Nations.

1. Freedom From War: The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament

2. Public Law 87-297, United States Code, Title 22, Section 2551, 2552...

3. Final Document of the UN Tenth Special Session on Disarmament

Quote:Establishment of a Global Commonwealth

The imperative of establishing and perpetuating the general peace of humankind is a central component of Bahá'í teachings. In the latter part of the nineteenth century, Bahá'u'lláh called upon the world's rulers to reconcile their differences and to "lay the foundations of the world's Great Peace." He proclaimed that "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." In doing so, He outlined a number of steps that would lead to permanent stability in international relations. At the heart of His vision was a set of new social structures based on participation and consultation among the world's peoples. These new institutional mechanisms would eliminate conflicts of interest and thereby reduce the potential for disunity at all levels of society. A number of international institutions were envisaged: a world legislature with genuine representation and authority, an international court having final jurisdiction in all disputes between nations, and an international executive empowered to carry out the decisions of these legislative and judicial bodies.

These institutions would have the means to ensure and maintain a general disarmament by applying principles of collective security. They would neither usurp nor suppress the basic autonomy of nations, would safeguard the personal freedom and initiative of individuals, and would protect long-cherished cultural traditions of the world's peoples. The system of governance outlined by Bahá'u'lláh emphasizes the importance of grassroots decision-making that is democratic in spirit and method, but also provides a level of coordination and authority that makes cooperation possible on a global scale.

The philosophy taught in the B'hai faith is exactly the same as the philosophy taught in all the other fraternal orders that comprise the Mystery Schools. I see a lot of confusion about the 'Illuminati' and its identity. The Illuminati is simply all those who possess the higher degrees and thus an understanding of the veiled philosophy of the Mysteries. The real secret of the Mysteries is how to keep a whole bunch of followers chasing after a secret which is like an onion which just has layers and layers and layers and never really ends. Some of these people are Zionists, some are Catholics, some are Protestants, some are Muslim, some are black, white, red and yellow. It is the philosophical belief system that is at the root of all this not some specific group as many like to claim.

The symbol of the B'hai faith is the sun enveloping the earth which signifies the culmination of the Great Work of bringing the entire world to the Light. The famous B'hai Temple in India is shaped as a Lotus. The Lotus represents the female or receptive principle in the Mysteries, it is identical to the Rose. ie. The Sun (generative principle) gives Light to the Lotus or Rose and thus in a mystical transformation it will bloom. All of which is an esoteric teaching hidden from the profane via the veiled symbolism. At the most simplistic and root level it teaches that man via the use of intellect is reborn into the illumined man. (I recommend among other works BUYING and READING 'The Secret Teachings of All Ages' by Manly Palmer Hall, 1926, Philosophical Research Society, see the chapter on flowers, plants, fruits and trees).

The B'hai admit it plainly to anyone who is willing to read.

Quote:Just as the physical world is dependent upon the generative power of the sun's rays for its development, so the individual soul's ability to realize its true potential depends entirely upon its response to the interventions of God in human history. It is the creative power of the Revelations of God that unlocks the spiritual, moral, and intellectual capacities latent in human nature."

There you have it. An obvious yet veiled admission of the source of the philosophy of the B'ai faith. It goes on...

Quote:"Humanity, the highest point of creation, contains within itself the capacity to reflect all the Divine attributes, and the soul of each human being is indelibly imprinted with the image of its Creator. "The soul," Bahá'u'lláh says, "is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel."21 It is only as human beings awaken to their spiritual nature that they can be said to know God: " ascend unto the station conferred upon their own inmost being, the station of the knowledge of their own selves."22 The investigation of reality is thus not only the right but the obligation of every human being. Since the Divine perfections are without limit, so the development of the rational soul is eternal, its progress vitally affected by the use it has made of its opportunities during its life on earth. The acquisition of spiritual qualities such as humility, kindness, forbearance, compassion, honesty and generosity prepare the soul for its journey to the light of its Creator. "Know thou of a truth that the soul," Bahá'u'lláh confirms, "after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure."

This is exactly what is taught in all occult philosophy. All you folks who buy into this global oneness new age crap had better sit down and start researching this stuff because you have been fooled big time. That includes those of you who have bought into evolution and the UFO/alien deception which at its root teaches the same philosophical baloney. The world government totalitarian agenda is far bigger than just corporate profits, control freaks and the 9/11 incident. Also this philosophy is what the bullshit artist David Icke teaches and he is setting up his followers to buy into the new spirituality.

Quote:"God's plan is dedicated to the unification of all races, religions and creeds. This plan, dedicated to the new order of things, is to make all things new -- a new nation, a new race, a new civilization and a new religion, a nonsectarian religion that has already been recognized and called the religion of 'The Great Light.'"
'God's Plan in America,' C. William Smith, New Age Magazine (now called Scottish Rite Magazine and is the official publication of the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry), September 1950, page 551
09-12-2006, 01:28 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
From "World Government Fronts, Psycho-social Change Agents"


The Bahá'í Faith's reach and influence is worldwide. Their leaders have contributed to the birth of the UN and take part in every conference related to global governance and initiatives such as the drafting of Agenda 21 and the Earth Charter. It is well recognized that the Bahá'í Faith is, for all intents and purposes, the religion of the UN. With one of their offices located in the UN headquarters, Bahá'ís have influenced and converted many international politicians to the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh.

The Bahá'í Faith is as much a political force in the New World Order as it is a spiritual one. The term "new world order", as you will soon see, was coined by Bahá'u'lláh himself in the late 1860s. I will end this article with a collection of quotes that outline the beliefs and agenda of the Bahá'í Faith. The organization, and its holy scriptures, advocates the following:

* A World Super-State
* A World Legislator
* A World Parliament
* A World Police Force
* A Supreme Tribunal
* Election of leaders through merit alone without nominations or the democratic process (the Administrative Order)
* A single Universal Language
* A permanent single currency
* An international uniform tax
* The implementation of Agenda 21 and the Earth Charter
* The unity of all the world's religions under the umbrella of the Baha'i Faith

Scroll down to " The Administrative Order" near the bottom of the page. I have compiled a number of quotes from Bahá'í scripture and officials that confirm the above bulletpointed beliefs.
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&We must encompass the Power of the earth with a legion of indefatigable men, all directing their labours, according to the plan of the Order ... our brethren are mutually to support each other, [seeking] to acquire those places which give power, for the good of the cause. Had we a certain number of such men in every country, each might form two others. Let them only be united, and nothing will be impossible to our Order.& - Johann Adam Weishaupt (Spartacus/Scipio Aemilianus/Cocyrus, 1748-1830)
09-22-2006, 07:53 AM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
After reading all the material provided by other members I rest my case:)these guys are illuminati, I know one Bahai person but doesn't know much about it though, also there is Deruz religion which also somewhat like Bahai in its secrecy but a lot more secretive about its teachings and agendas. Anyway Bahai thats a definate NWO, illuminati whatever you wanna call it and it has occult symbolism written all over it!
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Andre Gide (1869 - 1951)
04-01-2007, 02:52 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
I will try and be as brief as possible Ha I thought I was the only one who thought this! I was raised as a Bahai and we were taught to pray for a new world order, one world government etc so when I saw Bush giving his new world order speech back in the early 90's the warning signs went off in my head. Being a rebel in nature I satrted asking questions back then no one wanted to know. I was also told that the U.N. came about from suggestions that were made to the world governments from the Bahai community (but I don't know if thats true)I started to read the "Man Myth and Magic" series of books because they talked about things that were not taught in school. We all know about the place of witchcraft in masonry well one night I came across the story of Urbain Grandier who was a French Catholic priest who was burned at the stake after being convicted of witchcraft. At his trial there was a document produced basicaly a luciferian pact writen backwards in latin. The symbol at the top of the page looked remarkably like "The Greatest Name" the cheif symbol of the faith which looks like the word EVIL, the E being composed of 2 intertrwining serpents. (Remember when you see the document that it was written while the guy was undoubtably in some sort of trance so hand writing may not be too neat). If you are really up on your Illuminati stuff then you know about the coming WWIII, the Bahais have areas around the globe denoted as repositorys of the faith so that after when both Christianity and Islam are deemed as failed religions that the Bahai faith will come into play. Remember The Waco Massacre in Texas the Name of the Brach Dividian center was Mount Carmel just like the Place In Israel where the world center for the Bahai faith is located (Things happen for more than one reason) and there are quotes in the Christian Bible of how Mount Carmel shall see the dawn of peace (or something like that). I have a lot of other questions particulary about the origins of my surname PAYNE and I've had stuff put to me about the Knights Templar De Paens and on my mothers side theres the Edwards family and theres some guy in the States who wants me to conribute to a DNA database of The Paynes and the Paynes are involved with Skull and Bones, I am starting to get VERY NERVOUS.
Remember Hate, Rage, and Anger are all valid emotions in the state of DUALITY! Beware the Bahai faith they are far from failed at this point in history. I've got more research to do on this.
04-01-2007, 08:54 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
sorry to be difficult guys, but as i understand it all derivatives of Judaism argue for a single power source - that is one world government/religion/economics.

sure the stupid Christians forgot that long ago, way back when the princes and popes concocted their power sharing agreement, (with the old "give unto Caesar" scam, and conveniently forgetting the "you cannot serve two masters... you cannot serve God and Money" instruction). but one cannot escape the validity of their argument - you can only have one truth - you can't have one truth that deals with admin, one with economics and then another for ethics. they must all, ultimately, be the same. one God, one Truth.

what that truth might be, or how it is administered is entirely another matter - but that is what they are fighting for, remember Judaism, Christianity, Islam, (Rastafarianism) all have the same God, just different interpretations.

in fact, the one god theory is the original and ultimate form of totalitarianism - and if anyone actually really believed in it they would be perfectly happy to see the practices in Mesopotamia and Palestine knowing that the protagonists are going to suffer unspeakable agony through eternity and the victims given paradise. for the ignorant that promise is the most perfect method of control. for the sly unbeliever it is reason to rape the world.

to my mind, although you talk about one world governments, religions, economics, if you strip away all the history, all the corruption, all the prejudice, and all the hierarchy what one is left with is Universal Truth. Universal Truth, or God, or however one wants to label the unknowable, whether we realise it or not lies at the very heart of our existence - the life-force that without that truth could not exist.

the problem with a planetwide ideology is not (necessarily) the ideology itself, but those who administer and interpret it. the two things are entirely different.
Vitam Impendere Vero
04-01-2007, 09:46 PM,
Baha'i...failed Illuminati For The Muslims?
"sorry to be difficult guys, but as i understand it all derivatives of Judaism argue for a single power source - that is one world government/religion/economics."

In reply to your statement if you look futher back than Moses Judaism was not a monotheistic religion.
They worshipped and sacrificed to many gods before the 10 comandments Isis, Ra, and El (Is-ra-el) also lets not forget our old friend Molech.

All religions seem to have this in common.
The Bahai faith is to Islam what Christianity is to the Jews and they all can be traced back to the antideluvian dawn of our current civilisations.

I agree that in modern times the idea of monotheism being all just different interpretations of the same god and that underneath it all there is one universal truth. But that universal truth is usually kept from the masses hidden in the poetic blinding light instead of a clear explanation.

It is only when man wakes up to what he actualy is on a level of material and spiritual and examines closely how the two are connected i.e. DUALITY he will start to trully understand his place in the universe in relation to the universal truth-in short (EMINATION from the source) that all religion and dogmatic control will be seen as meaningless. This Geocentric Omnipresent Divinity notion is what is used to keep us blinded. None of us are really seperated at all we are the result of the universal or multiversal field subconciously trying to recogdnise itself.

I've been writing a paper on this for some time its just the use of language sometimes is unable to convey

But lets not stray too much off topic here....

And I mean no offence to anyone, after all the truth comes from a heathy clash of ideas.


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