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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
06-01-2009, 12:50 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
By Joram Kanner and Andrea Rothman

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- An Air France plane flying from Rio de Janeiro to Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris went missing, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said. There were 228 people on board, Air France-KLM said.

The president is “deeply concerned” and ordered Energy Minister Jean-Louis Borloo and Transport Minister Dominique Bussereau to the airport to monitor the situation. Air France said it had set aside an area for families at the airport.

The Airbus A330 had been out of radio contact “for some time,” KLM spokeswoman Marisca Kensenhuis said in a telephone interview. The plane disappeared from radar screens off the Brazilian city of Natal on the Atlantic coast, the Associated Press said.

Flight 447 was due to land in Paris today 11:10 a.m. local time, Agence France-Presse said.

The A330, a twin-engine plane that carries about 250 people, has never suffered a fatal crash in commercial flight, though a development model crashed shortly after takeoff during testing, according to Paul Hayes, director of safety at Ascend, an aviation consultant in the U.K.

Hayes said it would be highly unusual for an aircraft to go down in the flight phase, either in climbing to its flight path, or in an en-route altitude. Most accidents occur during takeoff or landing, he said.

“Most frequently accidents occur on approaching to landing,” he said in a telephone interview. “The next most frequent is on takeoff. Generally, during climb, and beyond, en route, you have very few accidents. With no information, we can’t even speculate about it.”

The last time Air France had a fatal accident was in July 2000, when one of its supersonic Concordes crashed.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...r=latin_america


If anyone comes across a passenger list please post it.
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06-02-2009, 05:32 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Officials seem to exclude foul play in missing Air France plane

Reporting from Paris and Madrid -- Relatives waited in anguish for word of their loved ones late Monday after officials said there was little hope of finding any survivors of the Air France jetliner carrying 228 people that disappeared over the Atlantic Ocean.

The Airbus A330 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris flew into a wall of tropical thunderstorms, encountering heavy turbulence and experiencing an electrical failure, shortly before disappearing Monday morning, authorities said.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who met with relatives of those on Flight 447 at Charles de Gaulle airport, said no cause had been ruled out for what he described as the "worst catastrophe Air France has ever known."

Sarkozy hurried Monday afternoon to a crisis center that had been set up at the airport for distraught relatives and friends, who police rushed through the terminal to the isolated area to be attended by counselors, clergy and airline officials.

Similar scenes of anguish played out at the airport in Rio. The passengers included executives of the French corporation Michelin; city officials of Rio; and leaders of Viva Rio, a renowned civic group that works against crime and poverty, Brazilian authorities said.


Later, Sarkozy told reporters that the families were "extremely dignified and courageous."

"I told them the truth: The chances of finding survivors are very weak," Sarkozy said. "We know there was strong turbulence, but other planes have experienced turbulence. . . . The specialists refuse at this stage of the probe to favor this or that lead. A lot of work is underway regarding the meteorological conditions and the last conversation with the cockpit."

In a sign that authorities lean toward an accident scenario, the investigation was assigned to officials in suburban Bobigny near the airport, working with investigators of the paramilitary gendarmerie detailed to the transport secretariat. If foul play were suspected, the case would be handled by prosecutors in Paris and anti-terrorism police.

The last voice communication from the Air France passenger jet came when it was near the island of Fernando de Noronha, about 200 miles off Brazil's coast. Brazilian air force officials said the missing airliner was about to enter Senegal's airspace when it disappeared carrying 216 passengers and a 12-member crew.

At about 4:15 a.m. Monday Paris time, the aircraft emitted a series of a dozen automatic alerts indicating "multiple instruments had broken down" and caused "a totally unprecedented situation in the plane," Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, the director-general of KLM-Air France, said at a news conference. He declined to make a "direct connection" between those technical messages and the turbulence.

"It's probable that the impact in the Atlantic occurred shortly after those messages," Gourgeon said.

On Monday night, search aircraft worked between the Brazilian and African coasts, Gourgeon said.

The Airbus A330-200 had left Rio at 7:03 p.m. local time Sunday. About four hours later, the craft was in the storm zone, and 14 minutes later, the automatic alert was sent, the airline said in a prepared statement.

Brazilian, African, Spanish and French air traffic controllers unsuccessfully tried to make contact.

The 216 passengers consisted of 126 men, 82 women, seven children and one infant. The crew comprised three pilots and nine flight attendants.

Air France said the captain had logged 11,000 flight hours and had flown 1,700 hours on Airbus A330/A340s. Of the two first officers, one had flown 3,000 flight hours and the other 6,600. The model involved in the crash is considered one of the safest in the Airbus fleet, having been involved in only one incident with fatalities. That occurred when a test-flight crash in 1994 killed seven people.

On Monday, Brazilian officials began a search-and-rescue mission using five planes, three boats and two helicopters. A French Breguet Atlantique plane departed from Senegal in Africa to help in the operation. France requested the help of the Pentagon to use U.S. satellites to detect wreckage, according to French Defense Ministry officials.

Officials said there were 32 nationalities represented aboard the plane, including 61 French, 58 Brazilians and 26 Germans. The list provided by Brazilian authorities also included two Americans.

Despite speculation that the plane may have been hit by lightning, safety experts said such aircraft are built to withstand lightning strikes.

As relatives of those on Flight 447 waited for answers, at least two French travelers in Brazil considered themselves survivors.

A French doctor and his wife had rushed to the airport in Rio on Sunday evening in hopes of catching the flight. They even enlisted the aid of a French consul to try to get them seats, but Air France staff could not accommodate them, he said.

"It's miraculous," the doctor, Claude Jaffiol, said in an interview with Le Figaro newspaper. "We were supposed to be on that plane."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...0,4381916.story
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06-02-2009, 09:42 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
They may have been hit by a sprite. Like super lighting. If its a heavy electrical storm that is possible.
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06-02-2009, 09:00 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
I don't get it - they can't track down a plane? Doesn't it have a transponder or something?
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06-02-2009, 09:52 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Need to see the passenger list.......just sayin......you never know?
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06-03-2009, 06:31 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Quote:Need to see the passenger list.......just sayin......you never know?

I was thinking along the same lines.

Who was killed on this plane?
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06-03-2009, 08:41 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
PASSENGER LIST FROM FLIGHT 447

The official list of victims will be released by Air France, accordingly to the Brazilian Agency of Civil Aviation (ANAC), but accordingly to information by relatives, friends and assistants, the names listed below were in the flight when it left from Rio to Paris last night.

-- Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of ThyssenKrupp-Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

-- Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

-- Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

-- Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

-- Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

-- Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

-- Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager of OI Phone Company

-- Deise Possamai

-- Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

-- Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

-- Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus Association - Italy

-- Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - Italy

-- Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

-- Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

-- Aisling Butler, 26; Irish, of Roscrea, Ireland; doctor

-- Brad Clemes, 49; Canadian from Guelph, Ontario; Coca-Cola executive

-- Arthur Coakley, 61; British; structural engineer for PDMS

-- Jane Deasy, 27; Irish; doctor

-- Michael Harris, 60; American, from Lafayette, Louisiana; geologist

-- Anne Harris; American, from Lafayette, Louisiana

-- Zoran Markovic, 45; Croatian, from Kostelji, Croatia; sailor

-- Eithne Walls, 29; Irish; doctor

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06012009/news/..._447_172029.htm
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06-05-2009, 09:25 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
It is odd that they havent found anything. I know the Atlantic is big and deep and all but I'd think somethings would be floating somewhere.

Something to me kinda feels like they really dont want to find anything either.
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06-05-2009, 09:44 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
This is well dodgy.....are they making a new series of "Lost" per chance.




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06-05-2009, 11:00 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Yeah we see stories like that all the time...the headline says one thing, the body says another, and then another, and so on.

They're real good at reporting a whole list of unsure tidbits of information with no verifiable conclusion.
Is that so they can say they are as accurate as can be? lol
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06-06-2009, 02:16 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
This just gets weirder

Debris in Atlantic confirmed - NOT from missing Air France Flight 447
News Wire Services


PARIS - French and Brazilian search teams have found no debris confirmed to be from the Airbus A330 that vanished over the Atlantic Ocean, officials said.

Confusion broke out after Brazilian officials said a helicopter had plucked from the sea an airplane cargo pallet from the Air France flight - only to retract the claim hours later.

France's transportation minister, Dominique Bussereau, suggested yesterday that searchers were back to square one in the hunt for Flight 447, bound from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, which went down off Brazil Sunday with 228 people aboard.

"We have to be extremely prudent," Bussereau told France's RTL radio. "Our planes and naval ships have seen nothing."

The crash may have been caused by flawed speed readings. Airbus issued a warning that pilots should follow standard procedures - to maintain flight speed and angle - if they suspect speed indicators are faulty.

That reinforced an emerging theory that the experienced pilots operating the flight may have inadvertently set the plane at a wrong speed as it passed through heavy thunderstorms.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2...0HbmPSVCf&D
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06-06-2009, 03:46 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Somethings wrong. I thought they were good at finding things like IDs of hyjackers on 911 or JFK's luggage and the small plane.
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06-06-2009, 09:34 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
2 bodies, ticket found near Air France crash site.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...9Dgq5wD98LCNPG3
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06-07-2009, 02:08 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
i is never gettin on a plane again... im walkin everywhere
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06-07-2009, 02:45 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
-Luiz Roberto Anastacio, 50; Brazilian; president for South America, Michelin
-Mateus Antunes, Brazilian
-Octavio Antunes, Brazilian
-Patricia Antunes, Brazilian
-Stephane Artiguenave, 35; French; salesman at electrical distributor CGED
-Sandrine Artiguenave, 34; French
-Silvio Barbato, Brazilian, former conductor for the Rio de Janeiro Municipal Theater Orchestra
-Valnizia Betzler, Brazilian
-Pierre-Cedric Bonin, 32; French; co-pilot of AF447
-Pedro Luis de Orleans e Braganca, 26; Brazilian; descendent of Brazil’s last emperor
-Isabelle Bonin, 36; French; wife of AF447 co-pilot Pierre-Cedric Bonin
-Aisling Butler, 26; Irish, of Roscrea, Ireland; doctor
-Vanderleia Carraro, Brazilian
-Julia Chaves de Mirandas Chmi, Brazilian
-Leticia Chem, Brazilian
-Roberto Chem, Brazilian
-Vera Chem, Brazilian
-Chen Chiping, 53, Chinese; wife of Liaoning province’s vice mayor, vice manager of a trade company under Benxi Iron & Steel
-Chen Qingwei, 35, Chinese; resident of central Chinese city of Wuhan, had applied to become Brazilian investment immigrant
-Brad Clemes, 49; Canadian from Guelph, Ontario; Coca-Cola executive
-Arthur Coakley, 61; British; structural engineer for PDMS
-Bianca Cotta, Brazilian
-Ana Luis Curty, Brazilian
-Leonardo Dardengo, Brazilian
-Juliana de Aquina, Brazilian
-Jose Roberto Gomes da Silva, Brazilian
-Carlos Eduardo de Mello, Brazilian
-Jane Deasy, 27; Irish; doctor
-Marc Dubois, 58; French; flight captain of AF447
-Simone Elias, Brazilian
-Marcia Mosconde Faria, Brazilian
-Sonia Ferreira, Brazilian
-Adriana Henriques, Brazilian
-Walter Carrilho Junior, Brazilian
-Izabela Kestler, Brazilian
-Jozsef Gallasz, 44; Hungarian; partner of Hungarian victim Rita Szarvas.
-Gao Jiachun, 27, Chinese; an employee with Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. in south China city of Shenzhen
-Gao Xing, 39, Chinese; manager of trade company under Benxi Iron & Steel
-Antonio Gueiros; Brazilian; information systems director, Michelin
-Michael Harris, 60; American, from Lafayette, Louisiana; geologist
-Anne Harris; American, from Lafayette, Louisiana, physical therapist
-Erich Heine, 41; South African-born; member of executive board of ThyssenKrupp Steel AG
-Claus-Peter Hellhammer, 28; employee of ThyssenKrupp Steel AG based in Germany
-Veronica Ivanovitch, 57; Swiss-Brazilian; the wife of telecoms millionaire Hans Ivanovitch
-Moritz Kock, 54; German, from Potsdam; architect
-Giovanni Battista Lenzi, Trentino area, Italy
-Leonardo Pereira Leite, Brazilian
-Li Mingwen, 44, Chinese; deputy general manager of Benxi Iron & Steel based in China’s northeastern Liaoning Province
-Jean Claude Lozouet, Brazilian
-Zoran Markovic, 45; Croatian, from Kostelji, Croatia; sailor
-Jose Gregorio Marques, Brazilian
-Maria Teresa Marques, Brazilian
-Nelson Marinho, Brazilian
-Carlos Mateus, Brazilian
-Gustavo Mattos, Brazilian
-Marco Antonio Camargos Mendonca, 44, Brazilian, worked for Vale SA mining company
-Luis Claudio Monlevad, Brazilian
-Tadeu Moraes, Brazilian
-Eduardo Moreno, Brazilian
-Marcelo Oliveira, Brazilian
-Christine Pieraerts; French; engineer at Michelin
-David Robert, 37; French; co-pilot of AF447
-Bruno Pelajo, Brazilian
-Marcela Pellizzon, Brazilian
-Ferdinand Porcard, Brazilian
-Sonia Maria Cordeiro Porcaro, Brazilian
-Deise Possamai, Brazilian
-Luciana Seba, Brazilian
-Shen Zuobing, about 40, Chinese; former material section chief, Benxi Iron & Steel
-Ana Carolina Silva, Brazilian
-Angela Cristina de Oliveira Silva, Brazilian
-Joao Marques Silva, Brazilian
-Jose Souza, Brazilian
-Adriana Sluijs, Brazilian
-Sun Lianyou, 49, Chinese; director of smelting plant, Benxi Iron & Steel
-Rita Szarvas; Hungarian; therapist at a Budapest center for children with motor disabilities. Her 7-year-old son was also aboard, but his name was not released.
-Maria Vale, Brazilian
-Francisco Vale, Brazilian
-Paulo Vale, Brazilian
-Eithne Walls, 29; Irish; doctor
-Solu Wellington Vieira de Sa, Brazilian
-Xiao Xiang, 35, Chinese; associate research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing
-Rino Zandonai; Trentino area, Italy.
-Christiane Zeuthen; Danish
-Zhang Qingbo, 54, Chinese; manufacturing department head, Benxi Iron & Steel
-Luigi Zortea; Trentino area, Italy.

only around 80 names on this list but the most complete I found so far http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090...+passenger+list
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