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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
06-09-2009, 05:27 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Key Figures in Global Battle Against Illegal Arms Trade Lost in Air France Crash
June 8th, 2009

Via: Sunday Herald:

Argentine campaigner Pablo Dreyfus and Swiss colleague Ronald Dreyer battled South American arms and drug trafficking.

AMID THE media frenzy and speculation over the disappearance of Air France’s ill-fated Flight 447, the loss of two of the world’s most prominent figures in the war on the illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking has been virtually overlooked.

Pablo Dreyfus, a 39-year-old Argentine who was travelling with his wife Ana Carolina Rodrigues aboard the doomed flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, had worked tirelessly with the Brazilian authorities to stem the flow of arms and ammunition that for years has fuelled the bloody turf wars waged by drug gangs in Rio’s sprawling favelas.

Also travelling with Dreyfus on the doomed flight was his friend and colleague Ronald Dreyer, a Swiss diplomat and co-ordinator of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence who had worked with UN missions in El Salvador, Mozambique, Azerbaijan, Kosovo and Angola. Both men were consultants at the Small Arms Survey, an independent think tank based at Geneva’s Graduate Institute of International Studies. The Survey said on its website that Dryer had helped mobilise the support of more than 100 countries to the cause of disarmament and development.
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Buenos Aires-born Dreyfus had been living in Rio since 2002, where he and his sociologist wife worked with the Brazilian NGO Viva Rio.

“Pablo will be remembered as a gentle and sensitive man with an upbeat sense of humour,” said the Small Arms Survey. “He displayed an intellectual curiosity and a determined work ethic that excited and enthused all who worked with him.”

According to the International Action Network on Small Arms Control (IANSA), Dreyfus’s work was instrumental in the introduction of landmark small arms legislation in Brazil in 2003. Under this legislation, an online link was created between army and police databases listing production, imports and exports of arms and ammunition in Brazil.

Dreyfus was an advocate of the stringent labelling of ammunition by weapons firms, arguing that by clearly identifying ammunition not only by its producer but also its purchaser, the likelihood of weapons being sourced by criminals from corrupt police or armed forces personnel is greatly reduced.

Though a Brazilian referendum on the right to bear arms was rejected in 2005, Viva Rio says the campaign should be considered a success because half a million weapons were voluntarily handed in to the authorities. Anti-gun activists put the referendum defeat down to fears criminals would circumvent the law and continue to gain access to small arms the usual way - through Paraguay and other bordering countries. This was not an irrational fear: until 2004, when Paraguay bowed to Brazilian pressure, even foreign tourists were allowed to purchase small arms simply by presenting a photocopy of their identity card. Dreyfus knew that many of the weapons from the so-called tri-border area between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina were reaching Rio drug gangs.

When unidentified gunmen made off with a stash of hand grenades from an Argentine military garrison in 2006, Dreyfus deplored what he said was lax security at military depots across the world. “If a supermarket can keep control of the amount of peas it has in stock, surely a military organisation could and should be able to do the same with equal if not greater efficiency with its weapons,” he said. “The key words are logisitics, control, security.”

When Rio agents smashed a cell of drug traffickers who had sourced their weapons from the tri-border area, Dreyfus noted its leaders were prominent businessmen living in apartments in the plush Rio suburbs of Ipanema and São Corrado, “not in the favelas”.

In a recent report posted on the Brazilian website Comunidade Segura (Safe Community), Dreyfus noted that the Brazilian arms firm CBC (Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos) had become one of the world’s biggest ammunition producers by purchasing Germany’s Metallwerk Elisenhutte Nassau (MEN) in 2007, and Sellier & Bellot (S&B) of the Czech Republic in March. This would not be particularly noteworthy but for the fact that CBC’s exports had tapered off in recent years due to legislation restricting exports to Paraguay, arms that often found their way back into Brazil and on to the Rio drug gangs - the “boomerang effect”, as Dreyfus called it. “The commercial export of weapons and ammunition from Brazil to the bordering countries stopped in 2001,” wrote Dreyfus. “CBC lost commercial markets in Latin America, but Brazil won in public security.”

However, manufacturers from other countries had moved in to fill the void, and before its purchase by CBC, S&B was already “one of the marks most currently apprehended” by Brazilian police. Dreyfus said that, in view of the fact the Czech Republic was bound by the EU Code of Conduct on weapons exports - which states that EU countries must “evaluate the existence of the risk that the armament can be diverted to undesirable final destinations”, CBC should “consider the risk that some of these exports end up, via diversions, feeding violence in Brazil”.

Though his focus was on Latin America, Dreyfus also advised the government of Mozambique and at the time of his death was preparing to do the same for the government of Angola, where stockpiles of weapons left over from the civil war continue to pose a security problem.

Dreyfus and Dreyer were on their way to Geneva to present the latest edition of the Small Arms Survey handbook, of which Dreyfus was a joint editor. It was to have been their latest step in their relentless fight against evil.

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06-09-2009, 09:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-09-2009, 09:42 AM by rsol.)
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
ive heard reports of a missile being fired at it. anyone heard this one? also of a Brazilian prince being on the plane as well as a few other big cheeses.



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06-09-2009, 02:16 PM,
#18
Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
There were 6 chinese steal company CEOs on board that were about to set up a major iron ore deal in Brazil. THe deal blow after the plane crash. Somebody doesn't want the chinese to get raw material for their armament... check out the latest A View From Space on the CC-tracker for more details.
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06-10-2009, 05:11 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Quote:Ahhh ... thankyou Hilly Sir ... I havent stopped checking it out myself
glad someone like yourself bothered to make the 'vital' post tho:)
Thanks man !

Your welcome.
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06-10-2009, 09:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-10-2009, 10:01 AM by rsol.)
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Quote:There were 6 chinese steal company CEOs on board that were about to set up a major iron ore deal in Brazil. THe deal blow after the plane crash. Somebody doesn't want the chinese to get raw material for their armament... check out the latest A View From Space on the CC-tracker for more details.

im not sure how that's going to stop the deal as there are more dicks in suits to fill that void. What im saying is. there must be more. to kill 6 execs along side 222 others seems a bit extreme even for the NWO. There must be more. Has anyone any more details of this missile?

more info from the meteorological standpoint explains little in the way of lightning as the plane passed through turbulance. im looking for inocent explanations first here.

http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/

Quote:I received an e-mail (see the comments page) from a scientist affiliated with the NASA TRMM mission indicating that no lightning was detected during a 90-second pass of the system that affected Air France Flight 447. This agrees with evidence from the WWLL sferic lightning network for that date. A review of the literature confirms these findings and suggests that convective systems over the equatorial oceanic regions do indeed exhibit an unusual lack of lightning activity.

judging by this report we can rule out lightning.

Also there is talk of a bomb warning. im not going to give that much thought at present as im still looking into innocent reasoning.

wiki did come up with something interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Quote:"1) Malfunctions in the pitot probes on the A320 led the manufacturer to issue a recommendation in September 2007 to change the probes. This recommendation also applies to long-haul aircraft using the same probes and on which a very few incidents of a similar nature had occurred."

The suggestion is that airspeed probes on the craft have a tendency to ice over on the cruise phase. This make for the craft to simply not know how fast it is going. for a pilot to not have feedback on air speed "can" be catastrophic as it could either stall or be flying too fast into turbulence.

This could be enough. who knows. Ill be sticking to this angle for now. Its early days. lets keep looking into this guys.
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06-10-2009, 03:27 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Quote:im not sure how that's going to stop the deal as there are more dicks in suits to fill that void.

reasonable thought, but it HAS stopped the deal (now a british based company takes over the iron ore). Looks like the warning was strong enough to intimidate either the buyer or the seller...

I wonder what role the Thyssen-Krupp guy (also steal business) played in that story...
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06-10-2009, 10:29 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
How fuckin ridiculous is this??

Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31.

Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm.

While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out.

Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil.

It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic.

A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant".

Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections.

There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously".

France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan.

Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the US on September 11, 2001.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-New...200906215300405
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06-11-2009, 10:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-11-2009, 10:52 AM by rsol.)
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Well im going for simple accident so far. oil slick says no fire. The stabilizer at the back had no carbon on it. it looked like it had been ripped out. If you fly those things too fast they can just rip themselves apart.

Quote:Extreme ? no way man, they dont care about the loss of others lives.. Look at 9-11 & 7-7, lots of people killed.

I agree. when i meant extreme i mean in the sense that this is not being used as an excuse to invade another country. If they wanted these guys dead all they have to do is kill them on the ground. much less risk involved. both 9/11 and 7/7 killed innocents indiscriminately.

If you look at the sources parroting the terrorism line. you have sky and fox. hmm anyone trust a single syllable coming from these guys lips?
even they have had to admit that the "terror suspects" simply share the same names with the passengers onboard.
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06-13-2009, 08:07 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
pensioner assasination? was she important to the cause?
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06-15-2009, 10:55 AM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
[Image: _45858989_plane_crash_weather2_466.gif]

SEARCH FOR FLIGHT AF 447
1 June: Contact lost with plane over mid-Atlantic
2 June: First debris spotted from the air includes an airline seat. Brazilian defence minister says debris is from missing plane
3 June: More debris spotted, including a 7m-wide chunk of metal. Fuel slick seen on surface
4 June: Recovered buoys and pallet said to be from plane. Officials later retract statement
6 June: First two bodies, plus suitcase and backpack found, along with seat from the plane
7 June: Fourteen additional bodies recovered, taking total to 16
8 June: Large tail fin section found

[Image: airfrancemain_825167a.jpg]

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Few new informations: (Polish Press Portal - Onet.eu)

In the interview with EADS president (airbus producer): Louis Gallois said "there is "no one cause deal" in those kind of accidents, there must be more than just one cause ....."

Brasilian O'Globo: "plane went down quickly and didn't explode in the air (...)"

ex pilot Ari German said: "looking at the pieces of the plane we've found, we can say this tragedy happend very quickly and sudden, interesting was that flying attendants seat were folded. That would mean they were suprised while working with passengers. They didn't expect that at all."

Another expert R. Jenkins said: "there was no burn marks on plane parts we've found .."

Some other informations:

- bodies were almost naked, and didn't have water in the lungs. That would indicate they we're already dead before landing in ocean and while going down were stripped by the air.

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more and more info's, getting dizzy now ....

what about cause ... i have one although it's may be bit sci-fi;

one of you lads said about rocket or something that would have to hit the plane, maybe it was new weapon tested? weapon creating a artificial earth quake? pointed by satellite or ground point? earth quake would just make plane fall apart ..... dunno what to think of .... but i guess it's possible.

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06-15-2009, 12:08 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Quote:more and more info's, getting dizzy now ....

what about cause ... i have one although it's may be bit sci-fi;

one of you lads said about rocket or something that would have to hit the plane, maybe it was new weapon tested? weapon creating a artificial earth quake? pointed by satellite or ground point? earth quake would just make plane fall apart ..... dunno what to think of .... but i guess it's possible.


No, it isn't. Sorry.
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06-15-2009, 12:18 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
and why not? cause you never seen it, or hear about it? no offense but i would expect some more and not just answer "no it isn't. Sorry".;)
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06-15-2009, 02:26 PM,
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Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard
Quote:Not a coincidence ? ? ? ?
This has now gone beyond weird!

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

That is some Final Destination shit. Crazy.
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